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Topic: Kid's Show Items - Thoughts?
Message: Posted by: Vinnie Laraway (Jul 2, 2007 12:12PM)
Hey guys!

I've been looking all around and I'm going to order some Kids Show Stuff so that I can put together a longer, and more professional show. I've listed here all of the items that I'm interested in. I would appreciate it if you guys let me know what you personally think of each of these and if there is real potential to put it in a show. =]

[url=http://hocus-pocus.com/magicshop/products_detail.cfm?item=355&CFID=3988719&CFTOKEN=55941bf8e445a515-2610EA24-8A11-AAA6-839CA8A1986DBF5A]Nielsen Vanishing Ketchup Bottle[/url] ([b]I love this![/b] I'm going to do the Ketchup to Mustard in the paper bag a few times, and then crush the bag w/ ketchup inside to end)

[url=http://hocus-pocus.com/magicshop/products_detail.cfm?item=1117&CFID=3988719&CFTOKEN=55941bf8e445a515-2610EA24-8A11-AAA6-839CA8A1986DBF5A]The Lemon Game[/url] (I have wanted this [b]forever[/b], and finally have the money for it! I'm going to end the show with this! =])

[url=http://hocus-pocus.com/magicshop/products_detail.cfm?item=1251&CFID=3988719&CFTOKEN=55941bf8e445a515-2610EA24-8A11-AAA6-839CA8A1986DBF5A]New and Improved Vanishing Bandana[/url] (Classic. Hehe)

[url=http://hocus-pocus.com/magicshop/products_detail.cfm?item=1792&CFID=3988719&CFTOKEN=55941bf8e445a515-2610EA24-8A11-AAA6-839CA8A1986DBF5A]Mis-made Flag[/url] (There are many versions of this. Does anyone know if this is a good version? I like the two 'mis-mades' before the actual flag, though. And please someone link me to a good Change Bag for this effect.)

[url=http://hocus-pocus.com/magicshop/products_detail.cfm?item=1950&CFID=3988719&CFTOKEN=55941bf8e445a515-2610EA24-8A11-AAA6-839CA8A1986DBF5A]Sorcerer's Assistant[/url] (I've heard some great stuff about this one, and some bad stuff. If I get it, I'll be using it on myself, not a helper. Does anyone know where I can find a handling that uses it on the magician, and not the assistant?)

[url=http://hocus-pocus.com/magicshop/products_detail.cfm?item=3516&CFID=3988719&CFTOKEN=55941bf8e445a515-2610EA24-8A11-AAA6-839CA8A1986DBF5A]Dots Next[/url] (I've seen this quite a bit. You think it's worth it?)

[url=http://hocus-pocus.com/magicshop/products_detail.cfm?item=4992&CFID=3988719&CFTOKEN=55941bf8e445a515-2610EA24-8A11-AAA6-839CA8A1986DBF5A]Comedy Jumbo Split Deck[/url] (I've always liked this trick. Will it play well with the kids?)

[url=http://hocus-pocus.com/magicshop/products_detail.cfm?item=5430&CFID=3988719&CFTOKEN=55941bf8e445a515-2610EA24-8A11-AAA6-839CA8A1986DBF5A]Private Eye Python[/url] (The effect sounds good. What you you think?)

[url=http://hocus-pocus.com/magicshop/products_detail.cfm?item=8072&CFID=3988719&CFTOKEN=55941bf8e445a515-2610EA24-8A11-AAA6-839CA8A1986DBF5A]Dream Bag[/url] (I'm kinda iffy with this one. I know how it works and all, but how do you think it would play for the kids?)

[url=http://www.dube.com/hat/1.html]Dube Top Hat[/url] (I need a new top hat anyways. =])

[url=http://hocus-pocus.com/magicshop/products_detail.cfm?item=726&CFID=4075508&CFTOKEN=22f5aa6ffd5b7a5a-512CECFF-8A11-AAA6-8668DFC0B7ECB19D]Rabbid[/url] (I like the comedy here. You tell them that you'll pull a rabbit out of your hat, and that's what you pull out. I'll use it with the above top hat.)

[url=http://hocus-pocus.com/magicshop/products_detail.cfm?item=1147&CFID=4075508&CFTOKEN=22f5aa6ffd5b7a5a-512CECFF-8A11-AAA6-8668DFC0B7ECB19D]Forgettful Frankie[/url] (I heard some good things about this one. Would you guys only use it for a Halloween event, or each show?)

[url=http://hocus-pocus.com/magicshop/products_detail.cfm?item=1676&CFID=4075508&CFTOKEN=22f5aa6ffd5b7a5a-512CECFF-8A11-AAA6-8668DFC0B7ECB19D]Got It Covered[/url] (I don't know about this one. I personally think it would be more of an "oooh, ahhh" trick than comedy. Thoughts?)

[url=http://hocus-pocus.com/magicshop/products_detail.cfm?item=2639&CFID=4075508&CFTOKEN=22f5aa6ffd5b7a5a-512CECFF-8A11-AAA6-8668DFC0B7ECB19D]Pro Professor Cheers Comedy Rope Routine[/url] (I LOVE the sight gag! I have the 20th Century Underwear, but I like this more.)

[url=http://hocus-pocus.com/magicshop/products_detail.cfm?item=2857&CFID=4075508&CFTOKEN=22f5aa6ffd5b7a5a-512CECFF-8A11-AAA6-8668DFC0B7ECB19D]Run, Rabbit, Run[/url] (I've heard good things about this. Thoughts?)

[url=http://hocus-pocus.com/magicshop/products_detail.cfm?item=5195&CFID=4075508&CFTOKEN=22f5aa6ffd5b7a5a-512CECFF-8A11-AAA6-8668DFC0B7ECB19D]The Magic Tie[/url] (I'll be wearing a tie to the shows, and I like the comedy, so why not? =])

[url=http://hocus-pocus.com/magicshop/products_detail.cfm?item=6343&CFID=4075508&CFTOKEN=22f5aa6ffd5b7a5a-512CECFF-8A11-AAA6-8668DFC0B7ECB19D]House Mouse[/url] (Anyone used this before? Thoughts?)

[url=http://www.vikingmagic.com/?nd=full&key=482]Silk To Egg[/url] (I like this effect. It's a classic.)

[b][i](For Running gags)[/i][/b]
[url=http://hocus-pocus.com/magicshop/products_detail.cfm?item=925&CFID=3988719&CFTOKEN=55941bf8e445a515-2610EA24-8A11-AAA6-839CA8A1986DBF5A]Inexhaustable Sponge[/url] (I love the gag, but the only down fault is that you have to dry your hands after each wringing of the sponge)

[url=http://hocus-pocus.com/magicshop/products_detail.cfm?item=2337&CFID=3988719&CFTOKEN=55941bf8e445a515-2610EA24-8A11-AAA6-839CA8A1986DBF5A]Beach Bucket Lota[/url] (Maybe this could work in with the Inexhaustible Sponge? Any ideas?)

[url=http://www.creativemagic.net/kids/biggerwands.htm]Bigger Wands[/url] (I LOVE the comedy here. I'll use this with the 'vanishing the silk' bit.)

Keep in mind: I know this is [b]a lot of stuff[/b], but this is just the stuff that I'm interested in, and would like more thoughts on.

Any help is greatly appreciated!
-Vinnie
Message: Posted by: Ron Reid (Jul 2, 2007 12:40PM)
Hi Vinnie:

You have a lot of stuff listed, but I'll comment about a couple things.

Concerning the Mismade Flag, it's a terrific effect, but there are a number of versions out there. I would contact HP first to find out who makes this version. Stay away from silk made in India as it's poor quality. If you go to http://www.lockfamilymagic.com - they sell a very nice version made by Goshman. The quality is excellent.

Concerning the "Got it Covered" umbrella/card sword, keep in mind that it's going to create a mess when those cards go flying everywhere. I love the card sword effect, but can imagine what a mess it would create in someone's living room (birthday party event).

You've got a lot of really good items on your list. I think the Lemon Game would be a terrific addition to a kid show. There is an old thread from a couple years ago you can look up.

Keep up the terrific work and ideas, Vinnie.

Your Friend,

Ron Reid
Message: Posted by: ROBERT BLAKE (Jul 2, 2007 12:49PM)
Nielsen Vanishing Ketchup Bottle = is a good one. play up the bit that it is vanished.

The Lemon Game = not suitable / adult trick / no kid has a dollar bill (great routine though.

Mis-made Flag = here is a routine kids love combine it with the pop away wand or brakaway wand and you will have a 6 minute routine here.

Dots Next = it is suitable for the older kids 7 year and up.

Private Eye Python = could be fun but dress it up for children - use cards with cartoon pictures - dress up the child as a fakir.

Forgettful Frankie = very good choice - you can use many balloon gags here - a winner - use it all year around.

Run, Rabbit, Run = classic kids routine.


Bigger Wands = great on but not always workable. if they see the bigger wands the gag is gone.
Message: Posted by: Vinnie Laraway (Jul 2, 2007 12:51PM)
Hello Ron,

Thanks so much for the help!

I'll email HP today and find out who the maker of that Mis-Made Flag set is.

I understand what you mean about the Got It Covered as well. I'd hate to make a mess in someone else's house. :eek:

And about The Lemon Game, I know, I think it would be the perfect ending to a kids show. Lots of humor and magic! =]

Robert,

Thanks for the help too! About The Lemon Game, there is a thread in which it says how to use it in a children's show. I believe I remember Doug Malloy himself saying he uses it in all his shows, even kids shows!

Thanks for the idea with the Mismade Flag.

On the Bigger Wands, I know, that's an issue. I'll make sure they are completely out of sight in the room.

Thanks again,
-Vinnie
Message: Posted by: derrick (Jul 2, 2007 01:49PM)
I've been able to perform bigger wands at every kids show since I got them. If there are little one's around I just put them together under my drop cloth.

Regarding Prof. Cheers - I have performed this many times. It is funny and plays well for kids, but the set up can be a real pain. If you are doing more than one show a day it is an even bigger pain. Remember all these ropes are under your clothes so that means your pants have to be big enough to stuff all this rope under without making you look lumpy. A jacket is required.

At best you are looking at a good 4 or 5 minutes to get the ropes all set and ready. If you don't have it set up and ready to go before you leave your house, then you have to find a private place at your performance location to set this up before your show. Just something to think about.

Derrick
Message: Posted by: TheAmbitiousCard (Jul 2, 2007 02:18PM)
Are you wanting to buy all these props?

How long a show do you plan on doing? It looks like all these props make up about a 3 hr. show.

Once you do get all these props, then what? Looks like you'd have a couple years worth of work to figure out how to put them into an act.

I've seen some of these classic props used and the result was very unprofessional.
I've seen other acts using just a balloon or a silk and it was very impressive and professional.

What is your goal in buying all this stuff?

Perhaps the suggestion should be to get one item and work on a great routine based around your character before you get the next item.
Message: Posted by: randirain (Jul 2, 2007 02:24PM)
My opinion...

Nielsen Vanishing Ketchup Bottle = yes
The Lemon Game = no
New and Improved Vanishing Bandana = yes/maybe
Mis-made Flag = yes/maybe
Sorcerer's Assistant = no
Dots Next = yes/maybe
Comedy Jumbo Split Deck = no
Private Eye Python = yes
Dream Bag = yes/maybe
Dube Top Hat = n/a
Rabbid = no
Forgettful Frankie = no
Got It Covered = no
Pro Professor Cheers Comedy Rope Routine = yes
Run, Rabbit, Run = no
The Magic Tie = n/a
House Mouse = no
Silk To Egg = yes/maybe
Inexhaustable Sponge = no
Beach Bucket Lota = no
Bigger Wands = no

Just note...
My opinions are based on the fact that I am not a fan of classic effects.
I think you should try to be different.
I also don't like cards, and I don't think they play well for kids.
And I don't think you need big props to entertain.
Keep it Simple, and small.
No need to bring in a big trunk full of tricks.

Randi
Message: Posted by: todd75 (Jul 2, 2007 02:28PM)
I am with Randi on this one...cards don't work for kids...period!
Message: Posted by: harris (Jul 2, 2007 02:36PM)
Making it your own, whether with the classics or garage sale items is essential..At least for this nearly normal one.

Things I have added to my program lately(not that you asked).
Table cloth that morphs several time into other things.
3 new oversized harmonica's (in 6 different keys).
2 hats.
Train Whistle.

Things I have used...

Flag blendo.
Silk or other to egg
Something to lemon...(out of books not the item you write about).

Things I have thought of adding but not added yet...

Sponge that keeps getting wet...
Professor Cheer...a classic that has lots of laugh possibilities...
Just need to find something that will make it mine...What else could be pulled out?...Pajama cord, buttons on pajamas, electric cord???

Thanks for the food for thought...Enjoy putting something together that works for you.

Harris
Message: Posted by: Smoke & Mirrors (Jul 2, 2007 03:06PM)
Vinnie, I was disappointed with beach bucket lota. It didn't hold enough water IMO. I ended up selling it for 1/2 price. I wish someone would make a really good (big) version.

Do you use a sound system? If so, yes to Bandana and use music throughout the show.

What is your character like in a show? Are you goofy? if not, sucker effects don't work well, they make the audience defensive, instead of enjoyable.

I think you could make most of those items work well, if you have a good character to pull it all off. Good luck & tell us what you decide and how it all goes.

aaron
Message: Posted by: Vinnie Laraway (Jul 2, 2007 03:12PM)
Thanks for the help guys.

Derrick, thanks for the heads up regarding Prof. Cheers Comedy Rope Routine. I will not be wearing a jacket, so I'll pass on that one. Also, there is a difference - the original (about $20) is the one that takes long to setup and is more bulky; however, the new (about $90) version comes with something new that makes setup and wearing easier.

Frank, like I said, [i]NO[/i], I do not want to buy all of these. I said that I am [i]interested[/i] in these items and want to get info on them so I can weed out the ones that I'll get and use in the show. Sorry, but I refuse to take your advice. I want to get everything for the show, and put it together from start to finish; not buy one thing 'atta time.

Randi, I respect your opinion. I know that you don't [i]need[/i] big props, but personally, I [i]want[/i] big props.

Todd, sure? Even just one card trick?

Harris, thanks for your input. I am going to make it my own. I'm only getting started in kid's shows right now. All I really have is close-up effects that play for the older crowd.

GUYS, I just want you to know that I am not 'buying' my act. I already have some stuff that I'm going to put in that does not come from the magic shop, but from books/DVDs. I know how important it is to be original.

Thanks, any other help is appreciated.
-Vinnie
Message: Posted by: Stevethomas (Jul 2, 2007 03:15PM)
PM'd you with some (hopefully helpful) info.

Steve
Message: Posted by: Vinnie Laraway (Jul 2, 2007 03:19PM)
Aaron, thanks for the heads up on the Beach Bucket Lota. I'll look for something else. I don't have a sound system. However, most birthday parties have music or a radio with a CD player. But just in case, I'll always have my own radio with CD player in my car so that I can bring it in before the show if the family doesn't have one.

My character is comedic and professional all at once. I'm not VERY G :crazydude: :crazydude:FY, but the comedy plays with it.

Thanks Steve, checking my inbox now. =]

-Vinnie
Message: Posted by: John C (Jul 2, 2007 03:36PM)
[quote]
On 2007-07-02 15:28, todd75 wrote:
I am with Randi on this one....cards don't work for kids...period!
[/quote]

I have had good luck with the card effects I do for kids. One of the mainstays of my library show is a jumbo card trick that kids LOVE. It's called Famous People.

It ALL depends on who you are, what you do and HOW you do it.

John
Message: Posted by: TheAmbitiousCard (Jul 2, 2007 04:22PM)
Of course cards can work for kids. So can spark plugs and poker chips.

And for the opposite reason all the wonderful big props listed at the top of this thread can be just horrible.

Everybody's looking for the right props instead of looking inside themselves, reaching in, and yanking out the entertaining magician within.

There are no right props and asking here for advice on picking a few won't help you get a pro act.

Grab a coffee can and some half dollars and a notebook and within a few weeks you can write yourself a miser's dream routine that would blow away any of these store-bought props. I know that I can have the adults laughing and participating and the kids screaming, and participating with every inch of their being with this trick. Which tricks above can you honestly say that about? And then how much do they co$t?

I understand needing big props. Sometimes it just feels right. Then by all means go buy them. But don't ever expect a blockbuster without putting in a lot of work to make it fit you. And that takes a lot of time and research.

As an example:
The Lemon Game? Great trick. I've performed it a lot and many times for kids. But don't expect more than a few decent reactions from the kids over the 10 minutes at a kids party unless you are willing to re-write the script.

All these tricks can be great AFTER you put loads of time into making them great.
None of them will be great out of the box.

Best of luck.
Message: Posted by: todd75 (Jul 2, 2007 04:56PM)
O.K. maybe I shouldn't have said NO card tricks. I do Barry Mitchell's Super Sleuth and it rocks. I meant regular old card tricks like "is this your card?" Boring in the eyes of a child!
Message: Posted by: Vinnie Laraway (Jul 2, 2007 05:01PM)
Frank,

Sorry for being so rude to you before.

I understand that the props don't make the magic, but the presentation used gets the job done in a professional and efficient way.

But please DO understand that I am NOT going to buy all of these effects, read the instructions, and throw them in the show. I am going to buy them, learn them, make the patter and presentation [i]my own[/i] to fit my character, and then put them in the show when ready.

I am only simply asking about the products I was interested in to get advice on them from magicians who have bought them.

Thanks for your help!

Todd, I'm with you! Card tricks for children like 'pick a card, any card' are boring to children! But if it is fun and exciting, then a child will be more into it. So card tricks can be for children too. =]

-Vinnie
Message: Posted by: Al Angello (Jul 2, 2007 05:02PM)
Vinnie
I agree with Randi.
Message: Posted by: TrickyRicky (Jul 2, 2007 05:05PM)
Hi Randi.
Half of your list can be done for children of any age.
I guess you are grading them from the presentation that comes with the trick, or the routine that most use. In that case--I would have to agree with you.
Most would say that cups and balls wont go well for Daycares. I do a routine that drives the children crazy. During the performance the children can't stay seated---continuous laughing and shouting.
I'd advise Vinnie to take a long look at the list, and try to think outside the box.
You'd be surprised how creative you can be.
Richard. (Tricky Ricky)
Message: Posted by: Andre Hagen (Jul 2, 2007 06:13PM)
Vinnie,

I agree with Al who agrees with Randi.

Also, Frank's advice should appear in every topic on The Little Darlings Forum, whether it pertains to you personally or not.

In fact, maybe it should appear in every topic in every forum.

Andy
Message: Posted by: John C (Jul 2, 2007 06:23PM)
[quote]
On 2007-07-02 17:22, Frank Starsini wrote:

Grab a coffee can and some half dollars and a notebook and within a few weeks you can write yourself a miser's dream routine that would blow away any of these store-bought props. [/quote]

Frank,

What kind of coffee can?

J
Message: Posted by: randirain (Jul 2, 2007 06:26PM)
Wow... people actually agree with me... never had that before.

But seriously...

I say this over and over, and no one believes me.
(except for the others that already do it)
You can go spend hundreds of dollars on big props and they might play OK.
Then do the hank mouse routine and the kids will go nuts.
An 87 cent hanky can be your best magic purchase.

But vinnie,
You may say you want to get big props.
Just wait, you'll get tired of lugging them around.
I promise.

Randi
Message: Posted by: Mumblemore (Jul 2, 2007 08:49PM)
Hi Vinnie,

I also like the big props, and if you're gonna lug and have the $$, why not go for some Wolf's Magic items (check out Blow Yur Stack as a comparable item to Lemon Game). A great carrying case or three will be a must, and I have found a great close-out carrying case at the suggestion of another Magic Café poster - http://www.casesandmore.com/asp/show_detail.asp?sku=TZ1075

I would also go for more colorful stuff for kids - great hanky tricks from Wonder Imagery or some of the flower magic of Derek Rutt.

Private Eye Python is great (and I jazz it up and tell the kids to wake the snake by rattling maracas and tamborines I hand out - they love it if you can get them to quiet down afterwards). Also, Rocky is excellent with some appearing/disappearing and having Rocky, the Python and another puppet misguess a card as a running gag (I use alphabet cards, but am also looking for suitable Dora or Diego cards, etc.). For the young kiddies also, how about some nursery rhyme tricks (Humpty Dumpty Paper Tear, Jam Magic Three Little Pigs, etc.)?

Rabbid I believe to be more for teenagers or at least 9/10s (scary face). The bandana is good but perhaps a little overused (I think the same for Run Rabbit Run, but a good sucker trick is a must - I'd go for the Crazy Crayons, Ketchupside Down, or PB and J). I don't like Sorcerer's Assistant because the joke is on your volunteer, and in the David Ginn tradition, I think it's better to be the butt of the jokes and boost the kids egos up and have them "do" the magic. If Dot's Next is the pips card, it's good and I use it, but if I had a "do over" I'd go for the chocolate chip cookie version (Mrs. Brown's Cookie)which I don't have, but which just seems cooler.

Also, some killer comedy tricks for kids are Kandu's Crazy Box and Kandu's Rope Trick (Jeff Eaton sells direct and I believe they are also available from a few dealers).

I don't have the Axtell Drawing Board but lots of people rave about it. Also, one I've heard is quite good and just ordered from a Café seller is Gene Anderson's Picto Transpo.

I wish I had done what you're doing and researched before buying. Good luck to you. I would just look at the following creative dealer's sites before deciding: Derek Rutt Creations, Tim Sonefelt Wonder Imagery, Barry Mitchell, and Wolf Magic(sounds like you just won the lottery or something - good luck).

Posted: Jul 2, 2007 9:55pm
Also, I was not very impressed with the Magic Tie and would not recommend it. Nielson's bottles are a great concept, but I'd be wary of the ketchup bottle because it may be something kids are no longer familiar with (they all know the new shape now - I might go with the vanishing coke bottle instead). The mismade flag is great, especially in combo with the crystal tube (variations on the Silly Billy routine from Seriously Silly).

Posted: Jul 2, 2007 10:09pm
Got it covered and the split deck look fantastic. Never heard of them before now (thanks for the links Vinnie). Does anyone use these with kids? How do they go over?
Message: Posted by: Al Angello (Jul 2, 2007 09:10PM)
I agree with Mumblemore last sentence. (before he made another post) The mis made flag with two volunteers is always a winner, and Silly Billy's chrystal tube routine which he has posted on his web site for free is 5 minutes of fun that you can put in your pocket.
Message: Posted by: John C (Jul 2, 2007 09:22PM)
[quote]
On 2007-07-02 21:55, Mumblemore wrote:
Nielson's bottles are a great concept, but I'd be wary of the ketchup bottle because it may be something kids are no longer familiar with (they all know the new shape now - I might go with the vanishing coke bottle instead). [/quote]

Ahhh, the NEW shape catsup bottle is EXACTLY why the old bottle is still relevant.

Show it in a bag and say, "Why did it take them So long to come out with the new catsup bottle? You know, the one with the cap on the bottom? You know the one." As you say this remove the catsup bottle in and out of the bag.

"I wonder what they are going to do with all these old bottles? These glass bottles. Maybe make them disappear." Now do the gag where you hold the bag upside down while holding the bottle inside.

Then finally say, "Oh well we'll never know what they do with those old bottles will we?" and squish up the bag.

Don't be so quick to dispense with the classics. That bottle will be around for a while in MY arsenal.

John
Message: Posted by: TheAmbitiousCard (Jul 2, 2007 09:44PM)
[quote]
On 2007-07-02 18:01, Vinnie Laraway wrote:
Frank,

Sorry for being so rude to you before.
-Vinnie
[/quote]

No offense taken. Best of luck! Let us know what ends up working for you.

[quote]
On 2007-07-02 19:23, johncesta wrote:
[quote]
On 2007-07-02 17:22, Frank Starsini wrote:

Grab a coffee can and some half dollars and a notebook and within a few weeks you can write yourself a miser's dream routine that would blow away any of these store-bought props. [/quote]

Frank,

What kind of coffee can?

J
[/quote]

Best post of the week. Congats John!!!! :rotf: :rotf:
Message: Posted by: Mumblemore (Jul 2, 2007 10:07PM)
That is a good bit of business John . . . My ketchup bottle stands corrected.
Message: Posted by: Danny Hustle (Jul 3, 2007 12:08AM)
Vinnie,

How old are you?

What is your character?

What is the theme of your show?

What is your target age group?

Are you interested in birthday parties, a family show, or both?

A list of tricks is just a list of tricks. Any of the items you mention are great tricks or great bombs depending on how (and by whom) they are presented.

I also notice you don't mention any bits or gags that you do. These are often the glue that holds an act together and give it a premise.

I'd need a bit more information about who you are on stage to really be able to give an opinion about any of the tricks on this list working for you.

Best,

Dan-

[quote]
On 2007-07-02 15:36, Harris wrote:
Making it your own, whether with the classics or garage sale items is essential..At least for this nearly normal one.

Things I have added to my program lately(not that you asked).
Table cloth that morphs several time into other things.
3 new oversized harmonica's (in 6 different keys).
2 hats.
Train Whistle.

Harris
[/quote]

Harris,

That is gold!

Best,

Dan-
Message: Posted by: Doodad (Jul 3, 2007 12:48AM)
I think kids would still recognize the classic ketchup bottle because its still the one used in most restaurants. What I do to cement the image that its a real bottle is, during my act I bring out a real one that is in an identical bag to the trick bottle. I ask if anyone wants to see a great ketchup trick and bang the glass bottle against my trunk (or table, whatever.) I then say, "no? not yet? okay we'll come back to it." I do this several times leading up to the actual trick. It just makes the effect so much more a killer one because they heard the glass bottle several times!
Message: Posted by: ROBERT BLAKE (Jul 3, 2007 12:49AM)
My favorate card trick for kids?
trevor lewis's cards across

Vinnie buy this book TREVOR LEWIS UNCUT and you will have tricks and bits of business for ever.
Message: Posted by: Vinnie Laraway (Jul 3, 2007 01:46AM)
Everyone, thanks so much! This information is priceless! =]

Mumblemore, WOW! A great deal of info! Why I'd rather The Lemon Game over a Wolf's Product: Because I will be doing kids shows, but also adult shows int he future. I see that I can make The Lemon Game into a kids routine, and also play another routine for the adults. I just don't see that happening with Blow Yur Load. =D

Danny:
-I am 16 (17 July 22nd :) )
-My character is a professional looking teen magician mixed with humor, comedy, gags, and jokes.
-No theme really. Should there be a theme? =/
-Target age group is about 5-8 years old
-Both Kids Shows & Family Shows. The act will be different for both.

Also, Dan, I've said it once, and I'll say it again - I KNOW that presentation is [b]EVERYTHING[/b]. I know that.
Concerning the gags, they are all worked into the tricks. Everything will be worked in with the effects when I order what I decide to order, and then put together the presentations of each routine.

Doodad, very nice idea on building up the Vanishing Ketchup effect! I like it! :bg:

Thanks Robert, I'll look into it. =]

Everyone, once again, thanks for all of the help! Please keep the great comments and bits of constructive criticism coming!
I will be away with the family from Tuesday-Sunday night, so please don't take offense if I'm not replying. Hehe.

See you guys soon, and have a great 4th of July!
-Vinnie
Message: Posted by: Potty the Pirate (Jul 3, 2007 02:13AM)
Most of the items you mention are awesome! You've chosen many of my favourites.... The Lemon Game is excellent, you may want to research other versions of Bill to Lemon also. Plays great for 7 yrs+.
Inexhaustible Sponge is great, but I rarely use mine. Just too much hassle, a bucket, water, possible mess, etc. Good for outdoor summer events though.
Prof Cheer's Rope Routine - excellent, but as has been mentioned, rather a bore to set up. I have the basic £20 version, and when I used it regularly, it took about 2 minutes to set, the only evidence was a bulge in my back pocket, which was covered by my jacket. It's the sort of effect you do near the start of the show anyway, in my opinon, so you can ditch the ropes early on. I'm not sure I'd want to have the "harness" thingy, as presumably you still have that on after the rope production? Overall, it gets the thumbs down from me because in reality the working magician doesn't want to faff around with all that rope just before every show.
Message: Posted by: Terry Owens (Jul 3, 2007 09:09AM)
I know the trend is to pack small, but I remember when I was young, the props were just as amazing to me as the trick...so it's okay to have nice looking props in your program too...
Message: Posted by: Ninad_Magic (Jul 3, 2007 11:25PM)
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Message: Posted by: KC Cameron (Jul 3, 2007 11:35PM)
Target audence and your character is key. Who are they, who are you???


I don't use traditional kid's magic for several reasons. 1) They are boring to ME. 2) They MAY be boring to the adult that writes the check. 3) Everyone does them 4) They are age limiting. I do shows for adults down, and I want the maximum use for each one. I just got a floating table. I can use it for kids, families, adults, my bizarre show, my mentalism show, my pirate show and the "Dr. Blood" type show I am putting together. I want props that look nice, because they are a reflection on me. I like props that look expensive, because it helps the client justify my price. (No, I am not saying talent is not most important, I just find I can get more cash from nice props.)If something small can do the same as something large, go with the large! (*L* Ok, I just said that to bait Danny! *G*, actually go with the small.)

I HIGHLY recommend you develop routines and props that are fun for you LONG TERM and make you unique in your area. Unique is remembered. Unique sells. Why not try Celibri-Tie??? It is only about $125 and people will talk about it and remember you for it. It can be done for all groups, and can fit into MOST presentations. What about an Axtel board. About $150, but works for all ages of kids too. You may have to learn to vent, but the mechanics of it is not that hard.
Message: Posted by: Vinnie Laraway (Jul 7, 2007 03:07PM)
Thanks a lot guys! This has been such a great help! (Oh yeah, I'm home a day early. :P )

Anyways, CaptainKid, thanks. I know exactly where your coming from by saying that the effects you use should be for all types of venues. That is why I want The Lemon Game so badly. Its a beautiful routine to start with, loads of comedy, can be adapted to be done in a family or children's show, and is a good 7-10 minute routine.

Thanks again for everyones help!
-Vinnie
Message: Posted by: TheAmbitiousCard (Jul 7, 2007 03:29PM)
If you want a great kid's routine with nothing more than a silk and a TT you should get great mileage from a combination of the ideas in Seriously Silly, and Payne's lecture notes (a member here).

Payne's routine in the back of his notes are fantastic. I love routines like this.

The man has a brain and uses it.
Message: Posted by: MrFye (Jul 9, 2007 07:11AM)
I agree that more information, especially the age range of the audience, is paramount to giving you proper advice. I don't bother with card tricks until the audience reaches double digits in age. I only use one of the tricks on your list and that is
DOT'S NEXT or WHAT'S NEXT. I have used it in every children's show in the last 15 years. It lays flat in my trunk taking up almost no space. It is a durable piece of equipment that I love using as an opener. I ask the kids if they are good at math, then I say I'm going to test them. I then have them count the dots.
It is a white card which is a little beat from 15 years of use. I bought as a replacement Mr's Brown's Kooky Kookie. You might like this better than Dot's Next.
It is the same effect, but it looks much more appealing because it is a giant chocolate chip cookie.
Message: Posted by: wa-na-be (Jul 16, 2007 01:10PM)
Derek Rutt has some great magic tricks for children shows, plus if you go to his website he has video clips on most of his products so you can see how they would work in a show. Mike Bent also has a lot of good items for children shows. Chance Wolf also. There are plenty more but these three are really good
Message: Posted by: chris mcbrien (Jul 16, 2007 01:15PM)
Vinnie, you and I got 'da same "Birt-day"!!!!
Happy "Birt-day" to yoo's, kid!

So how's the show coming together?
Message: Posted by: jakeg (Jul 16, 2007 02:31PM)
Don't worry about the tricks ... concern yourself with the routines.
Message: Posted by: Danny Hustle (Jul 16, 2007 03:11PM)
[quote]
On 2007-07-03 02:46, Vinnie Laraway wrote:
Also, Dan, I've said it once, and I'll say it again - I KNOW that presentation is [b]EVERYTHING[/b]. I know that.
[/quote]

Then why are you asking? No need to yell.
Message: Posted by: Louis LaLaurie (Jul 16, 2007 04:49PM)
After reading this thread through for me...I think Vinnie is young, inexperienced...this is "ok" as Americans say? Why? Because we all start on map at beginning...I envy him! He gets to have blank canvas to spread his paint on, what a good time he have!
At same time, Mr. Vinnie, I think you should watch classics first, make sure you do web search before you buy...use search here? Seems good resource.
Mr. Danny, what busker Café? Vinnie could learn here too?
I learn LOT on street...you not mess up twice and get the money. First time only.
Louis
Message: Posted by: Vinnie Laraway (Jul 16, 2007 06:43PM)
Thanks to everyone and thanks to you too, Louis!

I'm just trying to get as much help as I can by the ones who are more experienced, and potentially might have the products I am interested in to give me a thumbs up or down.

And Chris, from what I hear, that's the best Birthday in the world. :lol:

I have pretty much narrowed down my search to this:
(Yes=I'm going to get it)
(No=I'm not going to get it)
(Maybe=Unsure)

[b]Nielsen Vanishing Ketchup Bottle[/b] - Yes
[b]The Lemon Game[/b] - YES
[b]New and Improved Vanishing Bandana[/b] - Yes
[b]Mis-made Flag[/b] - Yes
[b]Sorcerer's Assistant[/b] - No
[b]Dots Next[/b] - Maybe
[b]Comedy Jumbo Split Deck[/b] - No
[b]Private Eye Python[/b] - Maybe
[b]Dream Bag[/b] - No
[b]Dube Top Hat[/b] - Yes
[b]Rabbid[/b] - Yes
[b]Forgettful Frankie[/b] - Yes
[b]Got It Covered[/b] - No
[b]Pro Professor Cheers Comedy Rope Routine[/b] - No [i](I don't wear a jacket)[/i]
[b]Run, Rabbit, Run[/b] - Maybe (My audiences are appx. 6-10)
[b]The Magic Tie[/b] - Maybe (Don't know too much about it)
[b]House Mouse[/b] - Maybe
[b]Silk To Egg[/b] - Yes
[b]Inexhaustable Sponge[/b] - Yes
[b]Beach Bucket Lota[/b] - No
[b]Bigger Wands[/b] - YES

Thanks everyone for your help! Further help is still appreciated! :)
-Vinnie
Message: Posted by: chris mcbrien (Jul 16, 2007 07:22PM)
Yes, Vinne, July 22nd is the absolute BEST Birthday in the world!:)

Here's some other effects I've had a great time with:
Ridiculous Ravioli
Chinese Egg Bag (Abbott's)
Vanishing/Reappearing Necklace (Go to Steven's Magic, they carry the best one)
Mismade flag with a twist: new take, also at Stevens? Last I checked...

If you get that Dube top hat, spend an extra $19 and get the hat juggling DVD, you'll know what im' talking about when you see it!
Look into ways to load that hat, too! You could be producing some props out of there.
Best of Luck to You, Vinnie! Go Kill 'Em!
Chris
Message: Posted by: Vinnie Laraway (Jul 16, 2007 07:28PM)
Cool Chris, thanks, I'll pick that up. =]

Well, actually, the Hat I'm getting is not a Dube, but is one that has the same look, feel, material, and similar weight. A friend of mine here at the Café is going to send it to me. But I'm really looking forward to working with it! =]

-Vinnie
Message: Posted by: chris mcbrien (Jul 16, 2007 07:36PM)
Vinnie,
Go to the Dube site and get the "hat juggling" dvd and work on some simple moves...little things like these in your show between trick, or as part of a build-up in a routine, do wonders.
Also, I would NOT do "Run Rabbit Run" or other "look don't see" or "sucker" effects unless you play it as being fooled yourself while the audience is smarter than you....and it has to be a really silly routine that asks 6-10 year olds to "have fun with you". Otherwise they'll view it as a flop. Play it up right from the start and it CAN be a winner. If not presented properly, they'll take it as insulting their intelligence.
9 and 10 year old will want to see some "wow" magic, so make sure that's sprinkled throughout....
As I said, go kill 'em!
Chris
Message: Posted by: Vinnie Laraway (Jul 16, 2007 08:00PM)
Heh, thanks again Chris! Your a great help!

Just one other thing concerning the Hat Manipulation... I know you can do a lot more manip. with a Derby, but is there a lot of hat manip. stuff on that DVD for Top Hats? Can the moves be applied to both types of hats?

Thanks!
-Vinnie
Message: Posted by: chris mcbrien (Jul 16, 2007 08:26PM)
Many of the moves immediately, most yes..over time and practive.
There is a book Dube puts out that specifically does moves with top hats...it's a book, so it's going to take some more study, but there is this direct resource for top hat juggling...yes. Contact Dube and he'll get the book shipped to you, I think it's only $10.00? I have both the DVD and the book, both work together very well....
Another resource here is Al Angello, who's a world-class juggler and knows lots more than I do about this...be sure to email him as well.
Message: Posted by: Vinnie Laraway (Jul 16, 2007 08:44PM)
Chris, the one who is getting me the hat is infact Al. :lol:

But just so I can clarify, is there also info on the DVD concerning Top Hats? Like, does he do the moves and teach them to you WITH a top hat?

Thanks, and I'll look into the book aswell...
-Vinnie
Message: Posted by: Mumblemore (Jul 17, 2007 10:27AM)
On a few more:

Run, Rabbit, Run - Maybe (My audiences are appx. 6-10) - I'd go for a different variation (Run Dino Run, etc. - these are for sale used from time to time - the rabbit one's getting a little cliche)

The Magic Tie - Maybe (Don't know too much about it) - I had this and sold it; it was unimpressive

House Mouse - Maybe - what about the moustrap card revelation (Magic Bakery) as a conclusion and to "dress up" the routine?

Inexhaustable Sponge - Yes - this one was also unimpressive - I sold

I like the Python lots, and would also argue for a good dove pan (bake Goshman sponge cake - it's a little cliche, but kids love it) and also some sort of blendo or 20th Century silks (gotta throw a good silk trick in to color the show and if it's birthday themed, so much the better, although I use WonderImagery Tortoise and Hare and it goes over great - some of those can be purchased "gently" used). And don't forget some version of the coloring book for little ones (yes, tried, but also true - you can jazz up perhaps by using three in a coloring book monte, or by routining a lot of invisible painting, etc.). Also, for a good opener how about drooping flower (Terry Herbert/David Ginn treatments - great stuff).
Message: Posted by: chris mcbrien (Jul 17, 2007 11:04AM)
Ok Vinnie, I had time to look at the DVD this morning again...
It IS only with derbies! However, I recognized many of the moves to be similar to the Top Hat moves from the book, so as I said, you may want both the book and DVD. However, as you know, even though derbies and toppers are different, the moves can be adapted...and with either, it's going to take a LOT of practice. But that's the great part, the best tricks are the ones that take time to perfect.
I think Al is beyond great, and his generosity is legend. You'll do right by that hat!
I got a good laugh knowing he gave that to you! That's Al!
Chris
Message: Posted by: Vinnie Laraway (Jul 17, 2007 01:14PM)
Thanks for the continued help guys!

Mumblemore, I like how I can combine House Mouse w/ the mousetrap revelation. that's funny. =]

Thanks again Chris! I'll look into picking them up. =]
-Vinnie

Posted: Jul 30, 2007 9:54pm
Hey guys!! Just a quick update... I weeded a lot of stuff out by thinking about if I would and could really use it in my show, and looked at everything from the performing aspect as well as the audiences point of view and how much fun they would have experiencing the magic!

Here is what I have ordered so far and am waiting to arrive:
*The Lemon Game (Malloy Modern Magic)
*Bigger Wands (Creative Magic)
*Happy Hyena (Wolf's Magic)
*Regular Mismade Flag with a Twist Set (Lock Family Magic)
*Classic One Hand Repeat Change Bag (Lock Family Magic)
*Gary The Goofy Ghost (Mike Bent)
*Silk to Egg (Viking Magic)
*Nielsen Vanishing Full Ketchup Bottle (Bought it used)

What I still need to buy:
*Private Eye Python
*Rabbid
*Dots Next (What's Next)
*New & Improved Vanishing Bandanna
*Zipper Banana Gag
*Topsy-Popsy Wand

It's A LOT of money, but it is well worth it, I know.
-Vinnie
Message: Posted by: KC Cameron (Jul 31, 2007 03:25PM)
Vinnie, I hope the "Lemon Game" serves you well. Personally, I would not use it for kids under 6 or 7. If it works well for the younger crowd, will you share your secret?

I have found "Fiber Optics" a great "slow down" trick - ie if the kids are getting too excited, it will slow them down, but still "wow" them. I recently started it, and it and have older kids (7+) asking about it all the time.
Message: Posted by: chris mcbrien (Jul 31, 2007 10:22PM)
Vinnie,
You have 8 bits of magic listed first up there. You could easily have a show right here. The next step is to become committed to these tricks. Find every way possible to make these entertaining and funny. 8 tricks could easily turn into a killer show of 8 routines and magic they'll never forget, 45 minutes no problem...work on the "entertainment" part now.
Message: Posted by: Vinnie Laraway (Aug 1, 2007 06:24PM)
Kacy, I hope so too. I have heard from a lot of people that it doesn't play too well for younger audiences, but that's no problem. I have a few ideas in my head that could make it more interesting for younger crowds as well as the older crowd! I will let you guys know how it goes.

Thanks for the info on Fiber Optics! I have heard from A LOT of sources that this is a very strong and powerful routine, and may look into getting it. Thanks!

Chris, yeah, totally! that's what I'm looking for - a 45 minute show full of magic! And yes, my main focus is on the presentation and routineing of the show. Thanks! =]

:)
-Vinnie
Message: Posted by: KC Cameron (Aug 1, 2007 08:42PM)
Vinnie,

You know, it is not the tricks, but the showmanship . . . *L* (just had to say it, just in case you didn't hear it the 1,000 other times! *L*)

Good luck!

BTW Fiber optics is a cheap way to wow them for a few minutes, packs flat, plays big, plays in "the round", works well for about 6 - adult - lots of room for personality.
Message: Posted by: Review King (Feb 27, 2008 05:56PM)
Get the Chris Capehart's DVD set "Kiddin' Around" and you can see how creative you can get with what to put in a kid's show.

http://kozmomagic.com/
Message: Posted by: liljay510 (Feb 28, 2008 11:07AM)
Also check out Paul Gertner doing a very simple Pom Pom Stick
http://youtube.com/watch?v=DKiS1f76OAc...it plays well for kids and fools the adults as well...which is a bonus.
Message: Posted by: btedeski (Feb 29, 2008 08:10AM)
Vinnie

When looking for a change bag for miss-made flag, I recommend that you avoid the ones with handles. I can not find a link to the one I use, but this one looks good.

http://www.lockfamilymagic.com/public/ViewPublicProduct.php?caID=17&prID=580
Message: Posted by: zimsalabim (Mar 17, 2008 12:12PM)
I want your budget !
Message: Posted by: Futureal (Mar 17, 2008 06:36PM)
Let me know in 2 months time when you want to unload 95% of the stuff you just ordered, I might take some of it off your hands :)
Message: Posted by: Andy the cardician (Mar 17, 2008 07:08PM)
[quote]
On 2008-02-27 18:56, Christopher Kavanagh wrote:
Get the Chris Capehart's DVD set "Kiddin' Around" and you can see how creative you can get with what to put in a kid's show.

http://kozmomagic.com/
[/quote]

Great advice . . .