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Topic: Cleaning manip. cards
Message: Posted by: markis (Jul 16, 2007 01:29PM)
Is there a good way to clean cards used for manipulation (Bee’s) after they begin to stick from oil and sweat from our hands?
Message: Posted by: WagsterMagic (Jul 16, 2007 01:34PM)
Wipe each one off with a cotton ball.
(both sides)

Message: Posted by: JamesTong (Jul 16, 2007 03:13PM)
Since you are using BEEs for card manipulation, I would suggest you apply fanning powder (zinc Stereate) on the cards as well. They don't get sticky so fast and will maintain their fanning capability for some time.
Message: Posted by: The Great Danton (Jul 16, 2007 07:08PM)
I use a paper towel folded into quarters. Put the folded towel on a table, and rub the card on it (both sides). This cleans the cards very well. You should also get some fanning powder like James said (I should get some more too...).

I also put them in a card press at night. This flattens the cards and makes them last longer. They are VERY easy to make, although it can be easier to buy one if you don't have a good work space (just be careful, because they can be pricey.)

Hope this helped,
T.G. Danton
Message: Posted by: JamesTong (Jul 17, 2007 02:35PM)
One more thing to note is to avoid using those cards when your hands are sweaty, dirty, slimy, greasy, etc :) This will certainly shorten the card's life span tremendously.
Message: Posted by: markis (Jul 18, 2007 07:48AM)
I have never had much luck with fanning powder. It always seemed to make things worse as far as the cards sticking or clumping together during fans, etc.

Thanks for tips fellas!
Message: Posted by: JamesTong (Jul 18, 2007 02:45PM)
It does not happen to me. That's because I rub the fanning powder with a cotton pad on both sides of the card, and for every card. Long process but the cards get a very even coat of powder. That way they don't stick or clumping together. I have been doing it this way for 30 years. Will never change the method.
Message: Posted by: Jeb Sherrill (Jul 18, 2007 03:09PM)
James is right. Most people make the mistake of applying way too much powder and it will certainly clump up and get sticky. I have always heavily powdered them to work the powder into the cards and then wiped each card off individually with a towel. It is time consuming, but the cards will fan beautifully.

Message: Posted by: kregg (Jul 18, 2007 03:26PM)
I've always dropped the cards into a paper bag, added a small amount of powder and given them a shake. Afterwards, I shuffle them a bit, a riffle and cut later I'm ready to go.

If you keep your cards off the floor and don't allow other people to touch your cards they'll keep cleaner longer. Clean, dry hands help too.
Message: Posted by: JamesTong (Jul 18, 2007 04:28PM)
Actually the clumping of the powder/dirt and stickiness is due to uneven application of the fanning powder. Having performed in different countries and especially the difference in weather and humidity, the application of even coating of the fanning powder is very important to one's card act.

There are many ways one can put on the powder to the cards but unfortunately it does not last. You may not agree with me but if you are to perform the card act everyday and under different weather and humidity conditions all the time (including your own sweat), then you will see why you need an even costing of the powder.
Message: Posted by: kregg (Jul 18, 2007 05:04PM)
Have you ever tried sifting your powder?
Message: Posted by: Darkwing (Jul 18, 2007 10:49PM)
It may be time to break in some new cards.
Message: Posted by: JamesTong (Jul 19, 2007 03:33AM)
You don't need to sift the powder if you are using the cotton type application. I have several decks of fanning cards that have been worked with for 30 years, and used very frequently. They are still in good condition. This shows the method I use helps me a lot.
Message: Posted by: markis (Jul 19, 2007 11:13AM)
When I tried it I did the McBride garbage bag technique, maybe I used too much powder. Can I buy something at pharmacy or walmart that will work for fanning powder or do I need to order it from a magic dealer?
Message: Posted by: JamesTong (Jul 19, 2007 07:37PM)
Unfortunately there are no alternatively to getting fanning powder (zinc stearate). Pharmacy do not sell them. Most magic dealers should have them.
Message: Posted by: Mr. Ree (Jul 22, 2007 06:47PM)

Thanks for the information on fanning powder.
I had read mixed reviews, but your detailed information
makes sense.

If you don’t mind I have 2 more questions:
(I’m new to trying “fanning powder”.)

1. You mention a “cotton pad”, any more details about this would be helpful.
At first I though you might be referring to “Cotton balls” or
is this something else?

2. In your experience is all fanning powder the same?
Or is there one brand you prefer?

Thanks for your time.
Message: Posted by: JamesTong (Jul 22, 2007 11:06PM)
Mr. Ree, the cotton pad or cotton ball is the same. As long as it picks up fanning powder, you can use any one.

The most important thing is the cards must have an even coat of powder on both sides.

There are many methods of applying fanning powder. But I still prefer my own method and have been using it for 30 years (before many other methods were introduced).

I just use any fanning powder I can get my hands on from any dealer. No particular preference. The key lies in the even coating on the cards.
Message: Posted by: Ron Reid (Jul 23, 2007 07:01PM)
Hi markis:

One thing that has not been mentioned is a Card Press. Really, it is just as important as fanning powder - the two go together. You may already know about them, but a card press will clamp down your deck, making it much more manageable. You can get the press and fanning powder from Norm Nielson's site. Years ago, I saw Norm Nielson at a magic convention and asked him how he powdered his cards for his manipulation act, and he said he just used a paper bag, and squirted in some fanning powder and shook the bag.

I hope this helps you.

Message: Posted by: T.G Kenny (Jul 24, 2007 08:42AM)
Hi ,

Right after I finish practising card manipulation or flourish , I will just keep the cards into my lovely lovely Card Press which was purchased from Norm Nielsen .

Message: Posted by: WizardB (Jul 29, 2007 12:52AM)
What is Norm's site?
Message: Posted by: Dynamike (Jun 23, 2008 12:43PM)
On 2007-07-29 01:52, WizardB wrote:
What is Norm's site?

Message: Posted by: jasanchez (Jun 24, 2008 10:35PM)
Yes norm nieslen card press is the best, it extends the life of your cards
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Jun 25, 2008 11:39AM)
If you don't use fanning powder you are not makeing perfectly spaced fans. If you are not using fanning powder, you are missing out on a really great tool to aid in the production of card fanning.

Bee decks are not manipulation cards! They are regular cards meant for playing card games. Back when Bee cards 1st came on the market, they were the cheapest card you could purchase. They were thin flexable and no linen finish or plastic coating. That is why they were recommended for card fan productions.

Now that they have brought the quality up to very high standards, they are not very good for card fanning. To stiff, to slick, to thick, to everything, except they still have the diamond back design. That it is said blends more with skin tone. That is the only reason they are recommended today.

I am talking from history and my personal experience. Actually, the recommeded card way back when was a card called the steamboat brand. It has the a similar back design to Bee.

If you want to clean cards that have not been treated with fanning powder, it will not clean, as you have force the oils and dirt into the card surface. Just buy new cards!

This is another reason to use Fanning Powder. The is different qualities of Fanning Powder. The 2 sources that I recommend is Norm Nielsen and E-Z Magic by D. Robbins Co. (this is wholesaler only so you need to find a dealer that carries their brand.)
Message: Posted by: trashmanf (Jun 25, 2008 03:09PM)
I'm pretty sure Bees are still great because they are very durable, I have been using the same Bees for a long time!