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Topic: Really Stupid Newb question
Message: Posted by: Cryozombie (Jul 16, 2007 10:49PM)
Since I am new to magic, I have seen quite a few things done, and can do some simple stuff, but I see the names of certain things/tricks etc a lot that I really am unfamiliar with, and I was hoping to be able to post asking what these are... Please note I am NOT asking how tricks are done with them or for any secrets, just WHAT they are, like what kinds of tricks are done with them...

For example, I don't do any card magic, so I don't know any terms for the stuff with them, what is an Invisible Deck?

Also, what are "Chop Cups?"

I know more about things like PK rings, shims, coin rolling, expanded shells, etc... but not so much most of the other props... anyone want to throw a newbie a bone and explain? Thanks.
Message: Posted by: Tablic (Jul 16, 2007 10:56PM)
Invisible deck I'm not sure how well I can describe without giving it away, but the best I can say is that it allows you to find their card reversed in a deck

Chop cup, there's a topic right in this section that describes what it is, along with the Cups and balls... and the topic itself is called 'cups and balls'

anything else, I'll see what I can do, since I have a somewhat limited knowledge as well
Message: Posted by: Andy the cardician (Jul 16, 2007 11:06PM)
Welcome to the Café.

I can only recommend you to start with Mark Wilsons book in magic - this will answer a lot (please use the search function to find more about it).
Message: Posted by: Cryozombie (Jul 16, 2007 11:20PM)
I can only recommend you to start with Mark Wilsons book in magic -

Excellent! I was looking at books and dvds on general magic (most of what I have so far is specific) but there is so much out there it's hard to know where to start... and this seems like a good choice! Thank you sir.
Message: Posted by: Tablic (Jul 16, 2007 11:28PM)
Mark Wilson's Complete Course in Magic is a beautiful thing. For only about $20 you're given a goldmine of information

plus there are plenty of other threads in various sections that can help you out, and those are usually threads that have been pinned so they're at the top of the various topic lists in the sections. You should have no problem if you go looking
Message: Posted by: pradell (Jul 17, 2007 12:40AM)
For information about all types of decks, see:


For chop cup information:


Message: Posted by: Father Photius (Jul 17, 2007 12:47AM)
You can find Mark Wilson's Complete Course in Magic at Mark and Nani Wilson's site http://www.markwilsonmagic.com 20 bucks plus shipping and if you include a note Mark , who was voted in Magic Magazine one of the 10 most influential magicians of the 20th Century will be happy to autograph it for you. (believe me it will be a keepsake you one day will be proud of). Other basic books, for Cards: Royal Road to Card Magic, for Coins: J. B. Bobo's Modern Coin Magic. Videos, a lot of Micaael Ammar's videos are great for beginners. If you ever get to browse a brick and mortar magic store you will soon learn what most of these "standard" tricks and gaffs are. Look at the websites for the International Brotherhood of Magicians and the Society of American Magicians and see if they have a Ring or Assembly near you, visiting one of those and joining will get you a big leg up on learning magic.
Message: Posted by: Cryozombie (Jul 17, 2007 05:49AM)
Wow, IBM does have a group that meets like 1/2 hour from where I live... thanks photius!

And thanks to everyone else for the great information! I think I get the idea what a Chop Cup is now, yay, and I'm really appreciative of this site.
Message: Posted by: Dizzy (Jul 17, 2007 07:16AM)
If I come across something new, I tend to search it on the Café then the internet. Sometimes magic dealers have demo videos. Penguinmagic.com is a great one for watching tricks on.

Anyway, welcome to the wonderful world of magic. I'm sure you are going to have lots of fun and many good times a head of you,

Message: Posted by: Lester (Jul 17, 2007 08:52AM)
I'd just like to add my welcome to you. You'll find that the Café, whatever your level of magical knowledge and proficiency, is a really friendly and helpful place to be. Many welcomes to you!.

Also, I would just like to echo everyone elses wholehearted praise for the Mark Wilson Course. Go for the complete work rather than the abridged, pocket sized, cyclopaedia. You will find that for the comparitively small outlay involved you will be rewarded with a wealth of magic. The Course will take you from basics through to building your own illusions. It will also, for example, give you precise measurements etc. for building your own magic tables etc. which will alone save you a small fortune. Welcome to magic. Enjoy.

Message: Posted by: jolyonjenkins (Jul 17, 2007 08:59AM)
I don't think you'll find either the chop cup or the invisible deck in Mark Wilson. However, searching here (and/or google and/or youtube) will give you what you want to know. You may also accidentally stumble across the methods.
Message: Posted by: jimhlou (Jul 17, 2007 05:18PM)
You might want to go ahead and buy an invisible deck. They are only $6 - $8. It's one of the best investments I've ever made. I use it all the time and it really FLOORS people.

Message: Posted by: AngeloR (Jul 27, 2007 07:57PM)
Welcome to the Forum and to the art of Magic! Wilson's book is exactly what you are looking for. A little later, if you get into sleight of hand card magic, you might want to consider the Card College books by Giobbi. However, for now they can wait.

As mentioned by the folks above, Wilson and Royal Road to Card Magic (available as a Dover publication) are your best bets.

Message: Posted by: Magic_Steve (Jul 29, 2007 07:09PM)
On 2007-07-17 18:18, jimhlou wrote:
You might want to go ahead and buy an invisible deck. They are only $6 - $8. It's one of the best investments I've ever made. I use it all the time and it really FLOORS people.


Definitely! Buy one, learn it, and get the presentation down. It's the perfect effect, and also the perfect "out" should you mess up a card trick! :)
Message: Posted by: sethb (Jul 30, 2007 07:19AM)
Hi and welcome to the Café'. Just wanted to add that tricks like the Invisible Deck and the Chop Cup are specific inventions that are sold by magic dealers.

To learn more about these types of tricks, you can go to any large dealer website, such as Hank Lee's Magic Factory (click [url=http://www.magicfact.com]HERE[/url]) or Denny & Lee's (click [url=http://www.dennymagic.com/cgi-bin/hazel.cgi?client=67996933&action=home]HERE[/url]) and use their "search" function. Hank Lee will send you a catalog the size of a telephone book for about $20, and it can be a good reference. SETH
Message: Posted by: Justin Impossible (Jul 30, 2007 08:43AM)
Chops Cups are my friend!
Message: Posted by: JeremyM0411 (Aug 2, 2007 04:36PM)
Chop cups are awesome. The ending of the effect is what killer them.
Message: Posted by: Andy the cardician (Aug 2, 2007 06:38PM)
Just visit a magic dealer and you will get a lot of information and support.