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Topic: Derren to premiere this week
Message: Posted by: magikcid (Jul 23, 2007 02:21AM)
According to MagicTimes, Derren Brown's new show (at least in the US) is premiering Thursday July 26th on the Sci-Fi channel. Hopefully soon he'll tour the US with a stage show (hint, hint Derren)
Message: Posted by: LauraCalder (Jul 23, 2007 05:36AM)
Is this US series all new material or the UK stuff repeated?
Message: Posted by: LLL (Jul 23, 2007 06:39AM)
LauraCalder - It's selected clips from his uk stuff that they thought would be suitable for usa audience.
Message: Posted by: Anabelle (Jul 23, 2007 06:48AM)
I thought it was a new version, produced in America by the Sci-Fi Channel.

Anabelle
Message: Posted by: Bennettjc (Jul 23, 2007 08:21AM)
Anabelle:

The below from Meir Yedid's email list suggests that you are correct:

"...The highlight of the week should be the premiere episode of Derren Brown's new series that was shot in the US and for the US market. The first of the six scheduled episodes takes place in a mall a few miles from our offices. We'll see if he can have as big an impact here as he has in the UK...."
Message: Posted by: RickDangerous (Jul 23, 2007 08:58AM)
"In the largest mall in New York State, Derren turns over 300 befuddled shoppers into his puppets by using seemingly innocuous shopping announcements made over the public address system. Also, Derren decides to go shopping himself...but he's forgotten to bring any money. Fans of his UK show may have an idea of what happens next.."
Message: Posted by: Bob Baker (Jul 23, 2007 02:39PM)
There are some clips from the UK shows, DB classics re-created in the US (eg. the advertising guys done at Saatchi & Saatchi in NY), as well as new US routines.

Bob
Message: Posted by: Silvertongue (Jul 23, 2007 03:01PM)
I love his work, I'm interested to see how he is percieved by the american public... It will be fun to hear their views and opinions on him. Get ready for the English Invasion America!!! Next they'll be wanting our bloody Queen...
Message: Posted by: LauraCalder (Jul 23, 2007 06:35PM)
I hope this will be shown in the UK too...it's going to be fascinating watching Derren do his Trick of the Mind material again for a different audience, just to see what changes and modifications he'll make given the passing of time.
Message: Posted by: entity (Jul 23, 2007 07:02PM)
I'm perplexed to see people on various forums suggesting (and even hoping, it seems) that Derren won't "go down" in America as well as he has done in the U.K. Not in this particular thread, I'm happy to see.

Even if he never performed on American shores or the American public never saw him on television, Derren Brown would still be one of the greatest Mentalists who has ever lived, in my opinion. Few could turn in the consistently high level of performance he has. He is an Artist of the highest order, and a good person, to boot.

- entity
Message: Posted by: Jim-Callahan (Jul 23, 2007 07:11PM)
E,

I am and have been very interested in how this will play out.

From what I have read most here are happy and looking foward to the shows.

-Jim
Message: Posted by: DT3 (Jul 23, 2007 07:13PM)
It might even be almost as good as the upcoming Angeller show.

D.
Message: Posted by: barneyfife (Jul 23, 2007 10:24PM)
Will this cause an increase in American audiences seeking mentalism type shows? ....hmmmmmm
Message: Posted by: entity (Jul 23, 2007 10:32PM)
It did in the U.K.

- entity
Message: Posted by: Tony Iacoviello (Jul 23, 2007 10:38PM)
But in the U.K. it was on a major network, not so in the US.
Hopefully that will change.

Tony
Message: Posted by: entity (Jul 23, 2007 10:43PM)
Derren has to play the game, one step at a time.

As I said, even if the network isn't smart enough to bite, he's still brilliant.

- entity
Message: Posted by: ALEXANDRE (Jul 23, 2007 10:44PM)
Perhaps it's because of the Derren Brown series and the success expected of it that we will soon have "Angeller' most likely on a major network. I'd like that, more people would see me perform.
Message: Posted by: Tony Iacoviello (Jul 23, 2007 10:47PM)
Alexandre

NBC, the network working with Geller and Angel on the new series, also owns the SciFi channel where Brown's show starts on Thursday.

You perform? Have you heard anything on the audition process yet?

Tony
Message: Posted by: DT3 (Jul 23, 2007 11:13PM)
I also hear that there will be free popcorn, hotdogs and balloon animals for all the applicants!

(I'm just referring to the Angeller show, not Derren's. Even though DB is filthy rich by now he still refuses to spring for snacks.)


I can't wait!

DT3
Message: Posted by: Tony Iacoviello (Jul 23, 2007 11:47PM)
No pie? :(
Message: Posted by: entity (Jul 24, 2007 12:37AM)
I recall Derren making a student drunk by using a varied mixture of Psychology, Suggestion, Magic, Misdirection and Showmanship, though.

- entity
Message: Posted by: brainchild (Jul 24, 2007 02:39AM)
I am very excited to see how the ratings are. It's not very often a 'smart' show gets a chance here in the states.
Message: Posted by: Marc Spelmann (Jul 24, 2007 02:56AM)
It'll be interesting to see how his style goes down in the USA, Criss Angel couldn't be more different with his yelling at the camera after each effect, Derren is also quite dry with his humour, he is actually a very funny guy out of performance mode as is Andy Nyman hence they create some lovely humour on stage and in his shows..

I am sure he'll be a huge success as he does have that english gentleman aura about him.. Also he is a really good mentalist and performer..

Good luck to him, you guys are in for a treat, Derren really makes each piece very believable, gives it a process and thus the viewer feels they are in on some of the process but none the less still amazed at what he achieves with that process..

Spelmann
Message: Posted by: Virungan (Jul 24, 2007 03:05AM)
I didn't realise that his US series was a new Americanized version.. I had assumed that it was his old UK "MIND CONTROL" episodes.

This should be interesting, especially to see how some of his routines are "adapted for US audiences".

I hope he is a success and finds his market over there- he deserves it and US audiences deserve to see him in action.

Will he make the jump to mainstream network TV over there? Maybe not, and that may be a good thing- as much of his style isn't really suited to a mainstream primetime network.

Keep in Mind that in the UK his best work was on Channel 4, which is regarded as the more edgy, non- mainstream channel- something they pride themselves on.

I think a lot of his appeal comes from his style that blends charm with occasional wonderful bursts of obscenity- think of how many of his best routines included great casual throwaway lines such as "I like to go there on my huge f***ing yacht" or "One lucky lady may get a finger-ring" or "My own chess is frankly sh*t".

Think of how he introduced the US section of one of his recent shows "I was eager to try this in America where people have smaller brains".

This style really works with an English audience... but perhaps not in puritanical America... some of this stuff would fall flat...

Here's a promo for his UK Channel, with quotes from its leading stars (Derren included)- I can't imagine an NBC promo running like that with the stars of its primetime shows! (You may not want to view that if you are easily offended!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4Nb7G-Rfpo

So perhaps he should stay on cable and maintain his edge, rather than re-package for squeaky clean mainstream network TV...
Message: Posted by: LLL (Jul 24, 2007 05:10AM)
Tony - this was taken from an interview with Jamy Ian Swiss aw while back about why they haven't chosen a major network.

"As far as an American show, what happened was I came over September 11 th of 2001 to do pitch the show--which was obviously a bizarre and amazing time to be there. Obviously a very bad time to be there if you're pitching yourself as a man who can predict the future. So the meetings all got cancelled, we were making inroads with the larger cable outlets and with the networks as well. But all of that obviously just had to stop and we came back. And we got an offer from one of the big cables which we then thought about. And there's an interesting issue, which is if you go with a big network and it doesn't get great ratings the first time, then they just drop you. Whereas a cable company is going to nurture you a little bit more. So it's whether you go for a higher profile immediately or whether you allow cable to nurture you and build the show, and then build over to a network. Which I think probably is a more sensible idea."

mescalitoeyes
Message: Posted by: oombob (Jul 25, 2007 12:16AM)
Criss Angel... Ed Wood.

Derren Brown... Orson Welles.
Message: Posted by: oombob (Jul 25, 2007 01:15AM)
Actually, I quite admire the films of Ed Wood.... so forgive me for the comparison. Criss Angel is a sad victim of A&E's rubberstamp style of TV production. Is this Knievel's Wild Ride?.... Is this Inked?.... Is this Gene Simmon's Family jewels?..... Is This Criss Angel?... Is this formulaic crap?

You know what I love about all of Derren Brown's UK televison endeavours? ...they don't insult my intelligence.
Message: Posted by: psychicturtle (Jul 25, 2007 04:59AM)
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On 2007-07-25 01:16, oombob wrote:
Criss Angel... Ed Wood.

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Have you never seen Criss's stage show? I'm guessing none of the people who slag him off have. You should, it'll make you realise that he is one of the best stage illusionists of the last 20 years. His 'sawn in half' routine is better then ANY other version out there (and massively better than Copperfields version which is widely regarded as the best by those that don't know...).

But anyway, Derren is the best performer of Psychological illusion I have ever seen (and I have seen most of them that footage exists of). He is also as near to a genius as I have ever come across, his skills in real psychological methods (which he does use quite a bit) are amazing, he is excellent with cards, and he is also a lovely person.

I'd be very interested to see these shows that will air over there.
Message: Posted by: Waters (Jul 25, 2007 07:38AM)
I will be embarassed with my own (countrymen), if Derren does not come over well. It will be a sad commentary on our sense of style.

Criss is a magician, not a mentalist. Blaine's appeal was a houdini-like skill of self promotion (of which, I do not dissaprove). Derren has a true artistic sense, which I hope "our fellow Americans" can discern.

Some close friends (some of which had an interest in all things magical) and some family members who had come over to watch some of Derren's series (which I bought, thank you!) have all recognized his subtle brilliance. I was glad to see that they appreciate his artful approach. Each of them thought it all just might be real. QED!

I am proud for Derren, I hope he does well. Cheers!

Sean
Message: Posted by: oombob (Jul 25, 2007 09:47AM)
I am not so much slagging Criss Angel as the overly formulaic A&E format of MindFreak.

Here's the formula: Show a 4 second clip of Criss about to be crushed by a steamroller and repeat this throughout the entire show. Intersperse this with countless interviews with Criss's posse on how dangerous and difficult it is to be crushed by a steamroller. End the show with the full clip of Criss being crushed by a steamroller.

Derren Brown's channel 4 shows, in stark contrast, deliver original content, sharp production values, engaging humour, drama, and most of all display an extraordinary creativity at work.
Message: Posted by: Michael Midnight (Jul 25, 2007 04:15PM)
Looking forward to this also, as what I've seen and read by Derren Brown have been superb and made me really think about what I try to bring to an audience. I agree with oombob on the Mindfreak series...nothing against Criss Angels work, I just found the whole format boring to a thinking adult. Maybe it scores well with the younger crowd.
Message: Posted by: Steve Suss (Jul 26, 2007 09:40AM)
Does anyone know what time the show is scheduled to be on? I'd like to call my daughter and tell her to TIVO it for me.

Thanks

Steve
Message: Posted by: RickDangerous (Jul 26, 2007 09:55AM)
10 PM EST
Message: Posted by: psychicturtle (Jul 26, 2007 11:04AM)
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On 2007-07-25 10:47, oombob wrote:
I am not so much slagging Criss Angel as the overly formulaic A&E format of MindFreak.
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Fair enough.
Message: Posted by: the levitator (Jul 26, 2007 12:31PM)
My first exposure to Criss Angel was around 1998. It was an A&E special about the history of magic, I believe. They showcased his Metamorphosis illusion. I instantly fell in love with his theatrical style and character. Being a drummer in a heavy rock band, my magical character was also pretty edgy and not the tux & tails type of performer. I even had a few email correspondences with Criss regarding character development and theming a show. He was very helpful and came off as a really nice guy. When Supernatural came out, I was glued to the screen. I thought it was a great show. When Mindfreak came out, I was so happy for him and watched every episode. Yeah, you could say I was a big fan. Now Mindfreak is in season 3, and I find myself forcing myself to tune in. It's become soooo over the top and every single stunt could end his life and has never been attempted and so on. Don't get me wrong, I still think Criss is an awesome entertainer with a very unique stage persona. I just think that A&E's formula is wearing a little thin. I would have thought that by season 3, they might have changed the format a bit to keep it more interesting. I'm glad for Criss' success and he definitely earned it, I just hope they find a way to repackage him a bit to keep it fresh.

I am a huge fan of Derren's. Thank the cyberworld for Youtube for the opportunity to see many of his televised performances! My biggest fear for Derren coming here is that he's almost too smart. As much as I'm ashamed to admit it, Americans (sorry, I'm stereotyping now) seem to think very highly of themselves and considering how we rate with the rest of the world, many times it comes off undeserved to non-Americans. I can see a large portion of the country adopting a standoffish attitude like, "who is this guy with all the fancy talk?" I think Derren may challenge the intelligence of people who may be a bit defensive of a non-American treating Americans like puppets on strings. I hope with every fiber of my being that doesn't happen, and that we as a country embrace Derren and he has much success here. I guess I should have prefaced this all with the fact that I live in a small city in the Midwest, so I'm surrounded by this type of attitude.

I've been telling everyone I know to tune in and have really talked Derren up, as he is one of my current major influences. I'm not influenced by his style so much as his commitment to character and script. He is just so good at what he does, and I hope he is rewarded here for it! I'm pretty excited that we have 2 regular magic/mentalism specials on the air right now! I wish "The Mentalist" would have been more popular too. I initially found Gerry McCambridge kind of annoying when I first saw him on Psychokinetic Silverware. But I really enjoyed his show and found his personality much more engaging on the show than I did as Banachek's sidekick.
Message: Posted by: DT3 (Jul 26, 2007 04:49PM)
Cruise on over to Derren's Myspace page and you can read some excellent reviews for tonight's episode.

You may want to wait until after watching though ("Spoiler Alert")

4 Hours, 18 Minutes and counting!

I've been waiting for this day for almost seven years.

Those of us familiar with his work (pretty much all of us here) I'm sure have no doubt that he will pull off his debut swimmingly.

Don