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Topic: New to Magic and Need SOme Advice!
Message: Posted by: jmuscold (Jul 25, 2007 08:57PM)
Want some advice on books, dvd's, or tricks to add to my collection.

I started doing magic 20 years ago did little gadget (tenyo) style tricks. This time around I want to do it a little better, here is my collection (recently purchased and from my original collection)

Brass Bill Tube
Scotch and Soda
Svengali deck
Stripper deck
copper silver brass
transmental
invisible deck
skinner 3 card monte
deck shell

Books
Complete course in magic
Tarbell vol 1
Magician's Magic (Curry)

DVDS
Oz Pearlman Born to Perform
Card SHell DVD

What I am looking for is tricks that are more or less multi functional, like a stipper deck, that is not a one trick pony, but a system of tricks

What would be some recomendations to add to my collection?

Thanks
Also if anyone knows of any clubs in the south jersey area please let me know.

Jeff
Message: Posted by: Brad Burt (Jul 25, 2007 09:11PM)
Part of the problem is that 'most' magic tricks bought AS separate magic tricks are basically designed to do one thing and that thing as good as you can do it. That's why I would recommend expanding your base skill set in sleight-of-hand. Once you have the basic somewhat multi-use things...I didn't see a Thumb Tip...add that to the above if you don't already have one, you run quickly out of things 'like' that and Scotch and Soda, etc.

But....learn a good solid basic skill set with say Cards and then ANY deck of cards becomes not only a wonderful multi-function prop to work with, but it can also be borrowed, bought, etc. right where you are. Coins and small item manipulation the same: Sponge Balls, many sleights with Billiard Balls are transferable laterally to other objects. Knowing a solid basic set of rope moves and effects can then be done with almost anything pliable enough to allow the manipulations.

Consider: Cards, sponge, rope, coins in that order. If you would like specific suggestions on what to get let me know via Private Message and I'll get back to you. Best,
Message: Posted by: THEGUY26 (Will Swanson) (Jul 25, 2007 09:14PM)
Get Melting Point and Melting Point Reloaded. Or you could get a PK ring.
Message: Posted by: Josh the Superfluous (Jul 25, 2007 10:21PM)
I strongly agree with Brad. I strongly disagree with theguy.

Brads advise will fill your world with magic. Theguy's advise could fill your world with endless shopping and overflowing drawers.
Message: Posted by: Jason Simonds (Jul 26, 2007 12:15AM)
I would go through either Complete Course in Magic or Tarbell Vol. 1 before purchasing anything else. You have a lot of information in both of those books to last you a while. And they'll help you learn sleight of hand, as Mr. Burt suggested. If you are hellbent on buying another trick, I'd pick up a TT, again as Mr. Burt suggested.

Have fun!
Message: Posted by: JamesTong (Jul 26, 2007 05:28AM)
I agree with Brad too. Sleight of hand offers a great opening to the real world of magic.
Message: Posted by: Jaz (Jul 26, 2007 06:16AM)
I totally agree with Burt about learning sleight of hand.

A while back I started a topic asking two things.

1) Which props do you feel are the most useful and can be used in the largest number of effects or routines?

2) Which gimmicks, gaffs, etc, are the most versatile and can be used to create the largest number of effects?

It wasn't surprising that I got more responses about #1 than #2.
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=196320&forum=27&0

Rather than tricks, accessories like a TT, holdouts, IT, coin gaffs like ^ and ]s, Swami devices, etc, will allow for more effects.
Message: Posted by: J.D.Palmer (Jul 26, 2007 02:38PM)
I'd recommend:

a nice set of hopping halves
Bobo's 'Modern Coin Magic'
Erdnase's 'Expert at the Card Table'
an Ultra mental deck or Kolossal Killer for an out

and a copy of Duck Soup.

You'll be set.
Message: Posted by: Ted Danger (Jul 26, 2007 03:35PM)
Imagine the things you would do if you had the power. Think of what would most amaze you if you saw a stranger perform some miracles. Then, after learning magic principles, come up with some ways to do those things convincingly.

In the meantime, get Henry Haye's Amatuer magicians handbook, and some more Tarbell. Buy a TT
Message: Posted by: THEGUY26 (Will Swanson) (Jul 26, 2007 04:20PM)
All I did was answer what he asked. He asked for a gimmicked that does a whole bunch of tricks. If that wasen't what he asked, I would say to get Daryl's Encyclopedia of Card Sleights videos, so you can actually see what the sleights look like.
Message: Posted by: Josh the Superfluous (Jul 26, 2007 06:05PM)
Sorry Theguy. I shouldn't have picked on your comment. I wanted to dramatically break the cycle of shopping that Jeff was pursuing. Your answer does address the question more directly than the others. I just liked Brad's better. Sorry again.
Message: Posted by: THEGUY26 (Will Swanson) (Jul 26, 2007 06:39PM)
It's alright. I reccoment you get some of the basic reccomended stuff, then try and create your own routines.
Message: Posted by: Andy the cardician (Jul 26, 2007 07:17PM)
I am rather relaxed about your list of props. This is a phase that most magicians go through. In order to quickly improve their magic - they go after props. After that, they discover that nothing can really replace the sleight of hand.
Message: Posted by: Lester (Jul 26, 2007 09:14PM)
If you are looking to generally increase your magical repertoire rather than concentrating on close up I'd go for a good basic selection of silks of various sizes and colours. I would start with buying them in colour pairs. There is a whole universe of magic that can be performed with a few silks. Combine them with a basic utility prop, e.g a silk cabby, and you have at your finger tips a whole host of possible effects. The beauty of silk magic is, that it, as they say, packs small and performs big! Can I recommend learning the Sympathetic Silks effect as an illustration of this. When finances permit, go for 36" silks for this trick, you wont regret it!

Whilst on the topic of silk magic in general, you could do no better than acquire the complete Rice's Encyclopedia of Silk Magic on disc. It is available in the standard hard back book version but in terms of cost I'd plump for the disc intitally. It will tell you all you need to know about silk magic and give you a wealth of ideas for possible effects and, incidentally, save you a small fortune as you can make the props yourself.

Enjoy.
Message: Posted by: sethb (Jul 27, 2007 09:32AM)
Although there is nothing wrong with acquiring a FEW good, well-made props, I also agree that there is nothing like a good book or DVD to really expand your magical horizons.

A long time ago I was advised to buy one book along with every two or three tricks, and I have found it to be excellent advice. So my suggestion is to get Tarbell #2 and #3, and then the rest as you are able. You can then learn about and focus on specific areas of magic or effects that you might want to pursue further -- coins, cards, ropes, balls, silks, etc.

As for a good next trick, you can't go wrong with a set of Cups & Balls, which will teach you some basic and easy sleight-of-hand, as well as a lot about misdirection, timing and presentation. Bazar De Magia makes an OK aluminum set for about $25, but if you can spring for Bazar's copper or brass set, now running about $55, they will be heavier, more durable and easier to work with. Get a spare set of Morrissey crotcheted balls (about $6) and if you have small hands, get the 3/4" balls instead of the 1" balls; click [url=http://www.hanklee.org/xcart/product.php?productid=14&cat=0&page=1]HERE[/url] for more info. For instruction, you can't beat Michael Ammar's 2-disc DVD set, "The Complete Cups & Balls," which is an encyclopedia of sleights, moves and ideas that should keep you busy for a very long time; click [url=http://themagicwarehouse.com/cgi-bin/findit.pl?x_item=DV9718]HERE[/url] for more info. Good Luck! SETH
Message: Posted by: jmuscold (Aug 5, 2007 07:58PM)
Well thanks for all the great advice, here is what I bought:

Royal Road to card magic DVD set ($20 with shipping on ebay)
Modern Coin magic DVD set ($20 with shipping on ebay)
Royal road to card magic hardcover book,
2 decks of cards,
I am starting with the royal road dvd, this should keep me busy for a long time!


jeff
Message: Posted by: jonxodus (Aug 6, 2007 05:03AM)
That's a lot of material, great purchases. Take your time to master every sleight and than everything will be a lot easier than!
Message: Posted by: Hideo Kato (Aug 6, 2007 09:13AM)
Instead of hearing name of tricks or books from others, I recommend to visit a magic shop and see demonstrations and books in hands. It will motivate you more practically.

Hideo Kato
Message: Posted by: John Long (Aug 6, 2007 05:19PM)
Analogous to what was said above, I think your next purchase should be a pair of reading glasses.
Message: Posted by: evolve629 (Aug 6, 2007 06:47PM)
Good intentions pave the road to hell, or so they say... We all would like to break the cycle of spending and buying on magic that really don't serve in the long run and/or they just sit in the bottom drawers. However, how do we shield another magic fan, amateur or otherwise, to avoid this self-destructive path? I'm afraid we can't. It's a path that each needs to discover for him or herself, I think. I certainly have purchased my share of great magic vs useless stuff. It's a learning process and both Brad and THEGUY26 offer good advice and suggestion :)