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Topic: Slush powder cubes
Message: Posted by: scottds80 (Jul 28, 2007 04:59AM)
Hi all,

I would like to be able to finger palm slush powder to add to liquid at a convenient time. This would be better than loading a cup with slush powder first, and as soon as the water is added it becomes solid.

It would be good to have someone drink the water first as a form of inspection. Then I carry on a magical effect such as a water vanish.

How would I achieve this? Can slush powder be clumped together similar to sugar cubes?

Thanks, Scott.

PS: I thought of using a TT to pour powder in, however this is not quite so convenient with the handling.
Message: Posted by: Mick Hanzlik (Jul 28, 2007 07:55AM)
Not sure if Slush Powder would bind together, as it is really dry. I think it would need some kind of mold anh a high pressure to pack it into the mold, which seems like an industrial process to me.

Maybe just a TINY amount of water added to the powder and put into a cube shaped mold might work, but maybe when the water mixes with the powder, it might just not work later when you need it.

Can you get some kind of water dissolveable paper that you could make into a palmable packet containing the powder. This would then dissolve in the cup and release the powder?

Or something like they sell tea in. Over here they are tea bags made of porous paper that lets the flavor of the tea out when in water.Might be worth getting some and taking out the tea and putting in the slush powder. You might need a needle and cotton to reseal the bag though. In the US I think Liptons sell "Breakfast Tea"

Another idea would be something you could palm, then squeeze to release the powder. Plastic balls used in paintball games might be the answer. If the paint was removed, and left to dry, you could put in the slush powder, reseal with adhesive and then cut a smsll slit in the side. When you squeeze the ball, the slit would open, releasing the powder.

Hope these ideas help
Message: Posted by: Lyndel (Jul 28, 2007 07:57AM)
Try putting a small amount in some of this and twisting it so it doesn't fall out:

http://www.daytonamagic.com/Accessories/AC023.htm#DISSOLVO


Lyndel
Message: Posted by: scottds80 (Jul 28, 2007 09:52AM)
Thanks for the ideas. I like the water soluble paper idea and that would work well. You also lead me to think of further ideas.

One way to do this would be to have a small bottle-cap filled with slush powder. While picking up the cup, also steal the cap.

Hidden from the audience by the back of my hand, I would tip the powder contents in with some misdirection and ditch the cap in at the same time - as it will set within the slush gel.
Message: Posted by: mrunge (Jul 28, 2007 10:56AM)
Yep...that's one (or several) way to do it.

Try it out and see how it works for you. I'd be interested in your results.

Mark.
Message: Posted by: Tom Lauten (Jul 29, 2007 02:44AM)
For film and TV special effects, Slush Powder is used by the sack load to created snow and if one wants to make a "packable" snow ball with it, one commonly adds some glycerin (avaialble from mosts chemists/drug stores)...you'll have to play with the amounts of glycerin and if it can be added before the water etc.
Message: Posted by: AmazingEARL (Jul 29, 2007 01:34PM)
I'd give a white plastic spoon a light coating of cheap hairspray, then before it dries, cover it with slush powder and tap off the excess. The remaining powder will stick to the spoon and at a glance remain virtually invisible.

When you stir the water with that spoon, the hairspray will dissolve releasing the powder and the powder will activate.

Dan/EARL
Message: Posted by: JohnWolf (Jul 29, 2007 08:27PM)
Instead of just finger palm why not use a flip tip?
Message: Posted by: Eric Leclerc (Jul 30, 2007 08:50AM)
What a good idea!!!! (slush powder cubes)
Message: Posted by: scottds80 (Jul 30, 2007 08:57AM)
That's very interesting how they use slush powder by the sack full to make snow in movies!

Thanks for your advice all. I'll try your ideas. I don't know what the flip tip is, but by the title of the item it sounds like a hinged TT.
Message: Posted by: Eric Leclerc (Aug 2, 2007 12:54PM)
I cant get these slush cubes out of my head!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think slush spheres would be easier to make and more practical... Like moth balls..
Message: Posted by: scottds80 (Aug 2, 2007 05:23PM)
Eric I checked out your website, very neat! Congratulations on the awards. It sounds like you have a good routine idea with the nonexistant slush powder cubes! Me too.
Message: Posted by: mitchb2 (Aug 2, 2007 05:31PM)
Do gel-caps require acid to dissolve, or do they dissolve in plain water?
Just a thought.
Message: Posted by: Eric Leclerc (Aug 3, 2007 10:18AM)
Thanks Scott!!!

I don't really have an actual use for them...

I just think some people would.. You could tilt the container over before the effect to prove there is nothing in it. Hold the slush sphere inside the container ala misers
Message: Posted by: Mr.Dennis (Aug 3, 2007 12:57PM)
You might try the Slush Powder Wand. Hank Lee carries it.

Dennis
Message: Posted by: eztravlr (Aug 3, 2007 10:41PM)
Have a look here:

http://www.nowfoods.com/?action=itemdetail&item_id=3705


You can fillem' up yourself
Message: Posted by: scottds80 (Aug 3, 2007 11:23PM)
Good idea eztravlr. They would need to be very water soluble. I mean instantly dissolve at the touch of water. I'd assume gel caps would need to be broken down by acids once swallowed..

Has anybody had experience with water soluble paper? There's plenty of it around on the net. This can be a little packaging for a bundle of slush powder (for palming). Upon being dropped in the water, the packaging dissolves immediately. Sounds like we're getting somewhere!
Message: Posted by: Lyndel (Aug 4, 2007 07:49AM)
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On 2007-08-04 00:23, scottds80 wrote:
Good idea eztravlr. They would need to be very water soluble. I mean instantly dissolve at the touch of water. I'd assume gel caps would need to be broken down by acids once swallowed..

Has anybody had experience with water soluble paper? There's plenty of it around on the net. This can be a little packaging for a bundle of slush powder (for palming). Upon being dropped in the water, the packaging dissolves immediately. Sounds like we're getting somewhere!
[/quote]

Yep, I use it in a routine I do. That's why I suggested it... It works like a charm!


Lyndel
Message: Posted by: scottds80 (Aug 4, 2007 09:58AM)
Thankyou very much for that link Lyndel, I scrolled up and found it. Sorry I missed it the first time. You have got it spot on and I'll be getting some to try it out.
Message: Posted by: mitchb2 (Aug 4, 2007 10:22AM)
[quote]
On 2007-08-04 00:23, scottds80 wrote:
Good idea eztravlr.
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Heyyyy...gel caps was my idea. :)
Message: Posted by: Eric Leclerc (Aug 5, 2007 08:32PM)
Welcome to the magic world

;)
Message: Posted by: scottds80 (Aug 6, 2007 05:30PM)
Thanks Mitch, I should have given you credit for thinking that up :) I appreciate the ideas
Message: Posted by: mitchb2 (Aug 7, 2007 08:52AM)
Thanks. I actually published the idea in my lecture notes from 1906.
Message: Posted by: Eric Leclerc (Aug 7, 2007 12:33PM)
They were MY notes and you simply changed the cover page....................liar ;)
Message: Posted by: magicofCurtis (Aug 11, 2007 01:23PM)
I like the spoon idea.... .It is simple and a very safe move....

:)
Message: Posted by: Ken Sibley (Aug 13, 2007 11:42PM)
Steve Varro (www.gospelmagic.com) has the "Dissolvo Paper" which disintergrates when placed in water.
Message: Posted by: scottds80 (Aug 14, 2007 06:12PM)
I have also heard of slush PAPER.

Has anybody seen this? Go here:
http://www.mrtricks.com.au/SALES.html
And press ctrl+F (Find on page), search for "slush paper"

#131 Slush Paper Just like 'Slush Powder' only easier to handle. Cut circles and place in a Styrafoam cup, fill with water, penetrate with a pencil, nothing comes out then turn it upside down and the water has vanished ??. Finger clip a piece in the fingers and drop it into a glass of water as you move it on the table. Turns water to jelly. One large sheet will do a gallon, cut it to suit.
Message: Posted by: mitchb2 (Aug 14, 2007 06:22PM)
Now THAT sounds perfect! Just roll up a little ball and finger palm it.
Message: Posted by: scottds80 (Aug 16, 2007 07:21AM)
I wonder how this is made.. Hmm. Not sure how slush powder can be made in paper format. I will buy some and let you all know what this is about.
Message: Posted by: DStachowiak (Aug 19, 2007 08:58AM)
A Vernet Insta-Salt Gimmick might be useful for this. it can be finger palmed and then squeezed to allow the powder to leak out
Message: Posted by: scottds80 (Aug 21, 2007 07:53AM)
Thanks DStachowiak, that would probably be better than a standard thumb tip.I'll look into that one
Message: Posted by: The Baldini (Jan 6, 2008 08:48AM)
I saw Rocco do this with a Flip Tip and I tried it and it is the most easy way. as you simply move the glass close to the speccy the dump is made and you are clean. it can be done under thier nose
Message: Posted by: tbaer (Jan 6, 2008 03:54PM)
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=235100&forum=4

Good reading here.