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Topic: Card magic, more advanced
Message: Posted by: Koko (Jul 28, 2007 02:14PM)
Hy you all!

I'm not so new to magic, but I've choosen card magic as my profession and I'm a bit stuck. I learnd the basics, and few tricks, but I don't find any really good tricks to preform anywhere at any time with any deck of cards. I'd like to learn many moves, but besides that I need tricks that go with that moves(just to practise move, an for move to take any effect). I need some suggestions for books, that will give me knowledge about card magic (history and all), and a bit more advanced moves like double lift and those beginners stuff. I'd need some guidance or smt. to proceed on higher level of card magic. I'm not a beginner, and I'm not an expert...somwhere in betwen, lost in material I have, becuase I don't know what knowledge is usefull do porceed further.

tnx:)

Koko
Message: Posted by: AngeloR (Jul 28, 2007 02:41PM)
For some of the best instruction on dozens of important sleights, you should read one or more volumes of Card College, by Giobbi. There are 5 volumes and they are $30 - $40 each.

For tricks, my guess is that Harry Lorayne's Close-up Card Magic would be perfect. Overall, the effects are more than beginner-level but quite doable and are very well-explained. You can probably pick his book up for $20- $30. Really, almost anything by Lorayne would be a good purchase.

(BTW, prices above are estimates for new copies. Used copies much cheaper might be available).

Hope this is some help.
Message: Posted by: Loual4 (Jul 28, 2007 03:08PM)
I will second Angelo with regards to Card College. They are great at any levell. I understand that you concider yourself to more than just a beginner, but in order to be more helpfull, it would be nice to know what material you already have (books, dvd, ...). If you master even the basic moves, you will be able to do a lot more tricks than "uncle bob", and better ones too. One of the most devastating tricks that I use very often uses only a double lift and a basic force.

Louis
Message: Posted by: Father Photius (Jul 28, 2007 04:29PM)
Harry Lorayne's books are all great and full of card magic, and just for moves try Daryl's Encyclopedia of Card Sleights. If you are into videos, then Both Harry's and Daryl's stuff are available on videos. Harry's "best teacher ever" series is fantastic.
Message: Posted by: Shakey (Jul 28, 2007 04:59PM)
Card College is without doubt the most important single resource to someone in your position. Start with Vol 1 and work your way from each chapter.It has improved my card magic more than any other single resource (other than mentoring) Good Luck
Message: Posted by: Jason Simonds (Jul 28, 2007 05:21PM)
If you've gone through Royal Road to Card Magic, Expert Card Technique has a lot of good information and seems to be a natural stepping stone from RRCM. Both books are by Braue and Hugard.
Message: Posted by: Andy the cardician (Jul 28, 2007 08:35PM)
The only drawback of RRTCM and ECT is that they are at the first view not as sexy as a quick-win learn-a-trick DVD from E.
Message: Posted by: spycrapper (Jul 30, 2007 10:55AM)
If you want book that will give you foundation on card magic, it's Card College series. In volume 1 you will find a brief history of playing card (as you wish) and guidance to card magic..
Message: Posted by: Jay Austin (Jul 30, 2007 07:38PM)
Card College is great as suggested above. There is one called card College Light that is completely self-working tricks. Do not overlook this as only a beginner book. It teaches a lot of psychology and the why of magic that is great at any level.

RRTCM is also a great resource for all levels.
Message: Posted by: Jay Austin (Jul 30, 2007 07:46PM)
Card College is great as suggested above. There is one called card College Light that is completely self-working tricks. Do not overlook this as only a beginner book. It teaches a lot of psychology and the why of magic that is great at any level.

RRTCM is also a great resource for all levels.
Message: Posted by: TerryLam (Jul 30, 2007 08:27PM)
I think you should get Card College 1-4, or you can just get 1 ande 2 at the begining. No matter what is your skill level, you can learn a lot from these books due to the detail explaination these books provided. And also there are tricks followed the sleight introduced for you to pratice.
Message: Posted by: Hideo Kato (Jul 31, 2007 07:29PM)
What books have you read?
If you answer for that, you can expect more appropiate advices.

Hideo Kato
Message: Posted by: Timm (Jul 31, 2007 09:03PM)
The Commercial Magic of J.C. Wagner has some really good stuff that will make you want to pick up your game a bit. There are a lot of routines that aren't too difficult.

I would also recommend Counts. cuts, moves, and subtleties by Jerry Mentzer.
Message: Posted by: msc455magic (Jul 31, 2007 09:18PM)
The Classic Magic of Larry Jennings and The Complete Works of Derek Dingle are pure classics in terms of card magic. My advice would be... get them while you still can! You will not regret it.

Hope that answered your question!

Best,
Charles
Message: Posted by: One Man (Jul 31, 2007 10:34PM)
The Secrets of Bro John Hamman is also filled with good stuff and I second the Commercial magic of JC Wagner.

Kevin
Message: Posted by: Andy the cardician (Aug 1, 2007 02:53AM)
Some of the work of Elmsley is also very good to perform
Message: Posted by: andre combrinck (Aug 1, 2007 12:28PM)
Books by Giobbi, Bannon ,Elmsley (or is that Minch), Wonder (or is that Minch again), Vernon, Harris and Annemann are all good.

Card College has enough good material to last forever.
What exactly do you mean by advanced?Guy Hollingworth has some stuff that will make your fingers bleed.

On the other hand take a look at Michael Ammar's ETMCM, if you want great looking magic that's quite easy to do and present.

AJ
Message: Posted by: Hideo Kato (Aug 1, 2007 10:21PM)
Koko-san has not responded after his first post in Magic Café til today.
So far, several different books were recommended.

How can he decide which is best for him?
How can we decide which is best for him?

Please respond to our answers so that we can know more about you.

Hideo Kato
Message: Posted by: Andy the cardician (Aug 2, 2007 04:59AM)
Good point Kato-san . . .
Message: Posted by: Banester (Aug 2, 2007 11:58AM)
Harry Lorayne's Apocalypse series is great! Card College is also a great choice.
Message: Posted by: Koko (Aug 8, 2007 03:47AM)
Hy all!

Sorry for my late respond, I was on my summer holidays and just got back for a few days. Thank you for all your advices. Since know I purchased Giobbis Card Colleage and I'm about 40 pages thorugh. I alos got my hands on Apocalypse of Harry Lorayne.


On request of Kato-san I'll try to do a short briefing of what I have:
Books

-Dan and Dave Buck: Sleightly Magical, Nursery rhymes (1-3)

-Lee Asher: Asher Twist, Lee Asher, Thinkig out loud, Hand Jobs

-Banachek: Psy. Touches


DVDs

-Dan and Dave Buck: System, Trilogy

-OZ Pearlman: Born to perform card magic

-Jay Sankey: Firestarters, Secret files

-Brian Tudor: Showoff(1.,2.), The Heckler, Generation X

-Harry Lorayne: Magic Classics (1., 2.)

-Daryl: Daryl's card stuff

-De'vo: Cradle to Grave Project, De'ring, Xtreme Beginnerz (1, 2)

-Gerry Griffin: Lucky Sevens(vol.3), 40 ways to force a card

-Justin Miller: Silver Dream, Army of 52

-Jay Nobeldezada: In the beginning there were coins, Color changes

-Daniel Garcia: Warning, Kaos, Project(1-3)

-Tory Hooser: Total Destruction(1,2)

-Dai Vernon: Revelations(1, 11,12,13)

-Jeff Sheridian: Genius at work(1-4)

-Banachek: PSI series:(1-3)

-Brad Cristian: Inside Magic 1, Kard KLub (1, 2), Crash Course (1,2), Ninja (1,2), Ambitious card tricks, How to do street magic course

-David Roth: Expert Coin Magic Made Easy (1-3)

-Ashfor Knettel: Tornado

-Bill Malone: On the loose (1-4)

-Daniel Maddison: Lethal

-Edward Marlo: The legend, The cardician




As you can see here is a lot of material, but I don't know what is really usefull and what isn't. Thank you again for helping me, I really appriciete that:)

Koko
Message: Posted by: Hideo Kato (Aug 8, 2007 07:13AM)
It seems Koko-san has rather special kind books and DVDs. So the basic books such as Card College will fill up missing knowlege.

Vol.1 and Vol.2 of Card College will be suficient for some time.

Hideo Kato
Message: Posted by: Jay Austin (Aug 10, 2007 07:17AM)
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On 2007-08-08 04:47, Koko wrote:
As you can see here is a lot of material, but I don't know what is really usefull and what isn't. Thank you again for helping me, I really appriciete that:)
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You are right in that it is a lot of material there, Also there is a lot of great material there. Watch the videos performance sections and the reaction from the audience. You can get some idea how effective a trick can be. Just remember that they edit the videos and show the strongest reactions a lot of the time. Also, many times it is not the trick but the presentation that is getting a reaction. For example, two magicians do the same trick but preform it differently. The way that the first magician presents the effect might not get much reaction while the second magician blows away their audience with it. Presentation is just as important as the trick itself.
Message: Posted by: John Heggie (Aug 12, 2007 08:22AM)
Koko,
I would suggest that you focus on the large collection that you already have. Start practicing the tricks that you like from your books and DVDs and see what fits your style.
Everyone has there own style and I would suggest taking a lot of time and finding out what your style is and build on it.

Good luck,
John
Message: Posted by: Koko (Aug 28, 2007 03:33PM)
Tnx Hideo Kato, and all of you:), I'm verry pleased that you are all so openminded and are willing to help us younger magicians.

Greets to all,

Koko
Message: Posted by: Jim Hazen (Mar 6, 2008 09:19AM)
Hehehe generation extreme by Tudor

that's advanced
Message: Posted by: 0045 (Mar 10, 2008 08:36PM)
Hi Koko

That's some collection you have there, I really do not think that you need to add anything to it. My suggestion is that you start to work through what you already have and don't spend any more money.

What you already have should last you for many years to come. if you are serious about studying magic then it is time to stop being a collector and actually start learning and using the stuff you already own.

Practicing technique and performance will help you to decide for yourself what your next steps should be to reach a higher level.

Regards 0045
Message: Posted by: andolini (Mar 11, 2008 10:25PM)
You can do amazing things with the hindu shuffle control,double lift,top change,force and palm. learn one method that you are comfortable with of these 5 sleights and build your own routine with them.its easy to become obsessed with learning to much material and not perfecting anything.Hope this helps.
Message: Posted by: Andy the cardician (Mar 12, 2008 03:20AM)
Koko,

you have almost an overkill of material. And I do understand that the wealth of material is a challenge.

Here is my proposal. Design your magic card show using tricks that you have. Once the show (15-30 minutes) stands. You start to practice. Having mastered the show, you can then start to replace tricks using your wealth of material. in other words, just watch your material searching for an ideal opener and so on.

Andy