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Topic: Cyclone's Elevator Review
Message: Posted by: Cyclone (Feb 7, 2003 12:46PM)
Well, I just got my Elevator this morning and I was very excited to open it. The prop came in a small box with an instruction manual and a CD.

I was quite surprised when I first saw the gimmick because it wasn't what I thought it would be. To tell you the truth, I was kind of disappointed :( I could make my own Elevator and purchase all the neccessary items from Menard's for under $40.

I also think that the prop is kinda big. One glimpse of the prop from the audience and you're busted. Let's just say some audience may think that you're [i]"standing on something"[/i] ;) At least that's what it looks like everytime I do it.

Well that's just my opinion and other people might like Peter's Elevator.
Message: Posted by: emyers99 (Feb 7, 2003 01:51PM)
I haven't gotten mine yet, but I finally have to chime in on this. Poor Peter. He puts in tons of hard work and is more that straightforward with so many of us and all he gets is negative comments. I'm not knocking your review Cyclone. I'm just saying that we have not been fair with Peter.

The thing many of us seem to have forgotten is that NONE OF US CAN FLY. Anything that gets put out is going to suffer from this limitation. As magicians, we have to work around this limitation. By definition, that is what we do as magicians. Just my thoughts.

Sure it is not ideal to have to bend down everytime you have to do it, but here's what I plan on doing. Just leave one shoe untied. Sounds silly but that gives the ultimate reason to touch your shoes. Bend down, tie the shoe, and load up at the same time. No one pays attention when you tie your shoes. Again, just my thoughts on a prop i don't have yet. I am still very hopeful about the Elevator.
Message: Posted by: Cyclone (Feb 7, 2003 01:58PM)
Nope. Trust me, that won't work because of the way you have to load the device.

I think the method that Peter teaches on his video is the best method for this effect.

Just wait till you get yours and you'll know what I mean.
Message: Posted by: Scott F. Guinn (Feb 8, 2003 01:49AM)
[quote]
On 2003-02-07 13:46, Cyclone wrote:
To tell you the truth I was kind of disappointed :( I could make my own elevator and purchase all the neccessary items from Menards for under $40. [/quote]

True enough. However, you wouldn't have known what items to buy, nor what size nor how many. You wouldn't have known how to construct it. You didn't think of it. Peter did think of it and figure out how to build it, etc. Surely he is entitled to make more than what the materials cost!

[quote]
I hate the fact that you have to bend down EVERY single time you do the trick. Yes you heard right! You have to bend down to reach for the gimmick and place it underneath one of your toe. :hmmm: You can't just walk in front of somebody and levitate straight up.
[/quote] OK. However, like any trick, how often do you plan on performing it? You shouldn't do, say, the same coin trick over and over again at the same performance where the same people can see you. You mix in other effects. And if the audience is changing each time you perform it, then they haven't seen you bend down before! Sure, you know you did, but THEY don't! So, IMO, this point is moot.

[quote]
I also think that the prop is kinda big. One glimpse of the prop from the audience and your busted. Let's just say some audience may think that you're [i]"standing on something"[/i] ;)
[/quote]

The prop pretty much HAS to be kinda big to be stable and support a grown human's bodyweight. And again, I think this is one of those things where YOU know about the prop, but the audience doesn't. And if you're performance skills are good, you will find ways to misdirect, cover with patter, etc. Finally, I don't think you should TELL them you're going to levitate until you're actually ready to go. They don't know what's coming--they're much less likely to catch you.

Is this a perfect levitation? No. To paraphrase emyers99, the only perfect method would be if we could actually levitate. Is this the best method currently available for the widest range of impromptu (or even many formal) performing situations? I'd have to say it is.
Message: Posted by: Peter Loughran (Feb 8, 2003 05:02AM)
Thanks for the comments everyone.

I think Scott took the words right out of my mouth. However, Cyclone, the fact that you said that the device was not what you expected made me feel really good. As I know now that I did my job as a magician and used the proper misdirections in order to hide the true secret of the illusion. And so should you when performing The Elevator as I teach you this on the video and in the manuscript.

I do care about my customers and I am sorry that you are disappointed. Maybe you should work with it for more than an afternoon, try it on people and then make a more solid opinion.

I am very proud of The Elevator and I still believe that any magician with a solid background in magic will see the true cleverness in the invention and recognize the many subtle modifications that went into the great quality prop that makes it work and last that would be impossible with off the shelf materials. I believe such a magican will also be able to have a hay day with The Elevator in front of their audiences.

And of course, as Scott said, you are also paying for intellectual property. That's how magic works.

Well I look forward to reading many more reviews, especially from those who have worked with it and tried it in front of real people.

P.
:)
Message: Posted by: thehawk (Feb 8, 2003 07:01AM)
Mine should be in early next week and I'm sure you can use misdirection to accomplish this without being caught. Lawrence put out his review of this in another post. His was a lot more favourable. I guess the jury is still out, but I bet Peter will have a 80% favourable rate or more on the Elevator.
Message: Posted by: max88 (Feb 8, 2003 08:15AM)
Cyclone, I appreciate you can give your view of the Elevator but the contents in your review I think it may give the secret too much. You were proactive in the discussion of Elevator before it was released and I think you and all others have watched the viedo many times, but I'm not sure how many people have thought Peter was "standing on something" or saw anything Peter is standing on from the viedo. It will be better to try it on people and see their reaction, then to see if it works or not, instead of basing your judgment on just seeing the device.

I still remember after I knew the secret of the TT, in magic shops every time the staff used it to perform it for a customer, I could always see clearly his TT. But people who do not know the secret are always impressed and wonder about the trick done by this simple device.

Since I did not buy the Elevator yet, I am just from a general point of view giving my opinion. I do not intend to offend you, but I think it will be better if you would edit the post for some obvious tips which are good to keep secret and be fair to other Elevator owners. And I know Cyclone, it may not be suitable for you to perform it for your friends because you have said before, they will look under your feet. :rotf:
Message: Posted by: Peter Loughran (Feb 8, 2003 08:39AM)
Good point Max88!

One thing that is really weird about his review is that he makes a statement about something under your toe. Yet nothing is ever put under your toe, and anyone else who has one can testify to that. It makes me wonder if he really understands how to use the Device effectively and properly the way it was intended and is taught in the instructions and on the video.

I too agree that exposure is simply wrong and unethical. I ask Cyclone and anyone else not to expose the workings. Just because you have bought the effect does not give you the right to try to reveal or tip the method in your review. If you don't like it, simply state that without exposing the secret. It's not that hard. I always thought exposure was frowned upon. I wonder how other owners of The Elevator (that like it) feel about Cyclone's attempt to subtly reveal the workings of the effect? I doubt they appreciate that too much. However, I think most owners can tell that some of the things he has stated are simply not accurate.

I anxiously await more reviews.

P.

Oh and emyers99,

The shoe lace thing is a brilliant idea and despite what Cyclone says that would work beautifully! Great thinking!

With your permission I would love to pass that info along, crediting you of course.

P.
Message: Posted by: XenoMagic (Feb 8, 2003 09:23AM)
I still haven't got mine yet, but I just wanted to chime in on the pricing of Elevator. In the past, I have paid good money for just the "secret" on many illusions. So I just wanna know... how can anyone criticize Peter for charging money for his secret, especially when he's even provided all the necessary hardware along with it?

Example: I had no problem in purchasing the "secret" for Zero Gravity some time ago for about $30. In other words, I bought information on a few sheets of "printed paper". But, of course, I also had to spend $40 on a "specific" pair of shoes as well.

Like I said, I don't have my Elevator yet. But based on what I've already read from reviews, my guess is that amount of money Peter tagged onto this illusion for cost of the secret is a real bargain... and I'm still as anxious as ever to get mine!

Leo Martin
Message: Posted by: martini (Feb 8, 2003 09:44AM)
I have been following the release of this since it was posted. Personally, this is not my cup of tea, but I wish Peter the best with it. As a dealer and a manufacturer, I have to come to his defense: A lot of sweat, hard work and research went into this product and he is obviously concerned with putting out a quality product at the most reasonable price he could. To this I tip my hat to Peter, he has joined the club of inventors who really care about the future and keeping the art of magic alive. With so much magic being thrown on the market just to make a buck, it is refreshing to see a product come out with the love of magic in mind.

Personally from what I have seen on the video, and discussions I have read, this will be around for a long time, and we will see many magicians making a name for themselves with it. Who really cares if you have to bend down first? Isn't this the same as getting ready for any trick one performs?

I know that everyone out there wants to know more about it, but be fair in reviewing this prop: Give it a few days to master the handling, feel and use of the gimmick. Then use it and see the reaction. Then give it a review. To review it just out of the box, without trying it out and without playing with it, is not really fair and it does a disservice to the hard work and time that Peter has put in on it.

Let's look at the reality here, Peter will make some money from this prop, and he should, he is entitled to it for his time and work, but he certainly is not going to become a millionaire from this trick. So obviously money was not the factor behind it. If it was, you would not be buying it for the price you are. In regards to being able to make it cheaper, yeah, that is probably accurate. But you did not come up with the idea, Peter did. And it is only fair that he be paid for his work.

I don't want to ramble, and I'm afraid I did already, but I think this will be one of the most useful items to the magic fraternity to have come out in a while, and again, all the best of success with it, Peter.
Marty
Message: Posted by: Kjellstrom (Feb 8, 2003 10:02AM)
It's not the prop that does the magic, it's you!
Anybody can buy a trick but few can entertain and perform magic well.
It's always up to the performer if the magic will occur for the spectator.
It requires lot of practice and experience before you reach the point as a good magician. Remember, you can't buy success. You need to practice also...
Nothing comes free in this world.
Message: Posted by: Chance Wolf (Feb 8, 2003 10:26AM)
Cyclone,

Your profile mentions that you have an interest in Video Games. What do you think the manufacturing costs are for "Boltarz Revenge of the Mutant Chicken Pluckers"? I bet you just sit in your basement clicking away GLAD that you paid $50 for 72 CENTS of PLASTIC and MICRO-CHIPS. Come on buddy, WAKE UP!! You clearly have no concept of retail, wholesale, marketing costs, R& D costs....ahhh forget it! By the way, you knew [i]before buying[/i] this thing that you would need to bend down! Geeeez, the thread only went on with about 20,000 views!
Send me a link for [i]your[/i] newest creation and make sure you include a Negative Profit Margin for yourself so WE all can be Happy!
Defender of Common Sense and Peter!
Chance Wolf :kermit:
Message: Posted by: thehawk (Feb 8, 2003 12:01PM)
Do you mean I spent all this money and Peter's " ELEVATOR " won't elevate you automatically. Just joking Peter, I know this will be a very good effect. You will be getting some great reviews once people start using this, I'm sure of this. :dancing: :bigdance: :yippee: :bigsmile:
Message: Posted by: nitram (Feb 8, 2003 12:34PM)
According to Fedex tracking, mine is at Stansted Airport. That means that it is my turn Monday!
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Feb 8, 2003 01:44PM)
Just a further comment on The Elevator. When there is all of the anticipation and excitement generated by discussions such as that that occurred with The Elevator, you kind of wait and hope it will be "real". It’s that child-like dream in the back of our minds that there IS possibly real magic. You then open up the box and it's not.

I remember as a kid seeing an ad for “The Zombie”. I had just finished reading the sleight of hand tricks but this was apparently the “real thing”. I quickly gathered my money I had saved up, sent it off, and waited in anticipation every day for that ball that really floated. When I got the package, I tore the it apart like a lion and the first thing I saw was the shiny silver ball… Man, oh man, a thing of beauty. The magic ball that really did float… Then I saw the gimmick and wondered what this was doing in with the floating ball. I quickly found out.

Anyway, The Elevator is based on a simple but effective idea. Is it real magic? No. But it’s VERY good. You won’t really realize exactly how strong this actually is until you TRY it. It looks great. It WILL take some work and you won’t be able to do it right out of the package. Don’t get me wrong, it’s not hard at all, but it’s important to understand what Peter clearly discusses in the instructions before you use it. However, Peter really goes through all of the details both in written instructions and on an accompanying CD in tremendous detail. I am very happy with my purchase! Thanks Peter.

And I also want to point out one thing - I JUST read after writing the above - Cyclone’s review. Thus I found my place to post this but am also compelled to respond to that review. I honestly don’t know if Cyclone actually tried The Elevator. My guess is that he fell into the thinking I described above (which was ironic as I wrote this prior to reading his review). I imagine he was excited as we all were, opened the box, and quickly realized he would not actually be floating for real. When you first see a silk handkerchief vanish into thin air you’d pay a million bucks but then you get a TT and you think, “You are kidding me”. In all reality though, your audiences still sees it as a handkerchief that is disappearing into thin air. And THAT is important to understand… what your AUDIENCE perceives. You HAVE to separate yourself from the method, from the fact that it is NOT magic.

It also frankly bothered me when I read that Cyclone was complaining that he could have built this for $40. Do you really think if you pay $6000 for an illusion that it costs that for the materials. NO! The creator deserves to make something. He has spent countless hours, lots of money, and lots of frustration to get to what we finally see. I bet Peter spent hundreds and hundreds of dollars on refining the gimmick, trying various versions, etc. On top of this Peter is NOT making $60 profit per unit (if the unit in fact costed $40 to make, as Cyclone noted). When he sells it to Hocus Pocus he has to sell it to them at a lower rate so THEY can make money as well. And they have to have the margin for advertising, overhead (employees, storage space, 800 lines, taxes, etc.); Etc. A comment like that made by Cyclone I find demeaning to a creator of an effect, to the effect distributor such as Hocus Pocus who has made it possible for us to get this, etc. I also find it shows a total lack of understanding that this is a business. And like the real world not everything is just given away for free. You buy a TV for $200… do you really think it is $200 in components? I am actually surprised Peter CAN sell The Elevator for what it costs. I know for a fact what his margins are as he and I discussed this personally and privately and I know the business side of things (as this is my business) so I know how much a dealer like Hocus Pocus has to lay out. Thus I am amazed that these guys can get us this wonderful creation at such a cheap price. I actually applaud both Peter and Hocus Pocus. You guys have done a great job and provided a great product.

Part of they problem, with all due respect to Cyclone, is that there is NO accountability. Someone can say “I was disappointed” and it instantly dashes the hopes of those THINKING about buying this. There is no REASON given. Now I understand that it’s a slippery slope. If Cyclone DID try this and STILL felt disappointed, he’d almost have to reveal aspects of the working to explain EXACTLY why he was disappointed. However, I DO feel SOME thought should be given before posting and that some reasons should be given. I do feel it is a disservice to not back up a negative comment with facts. With thinking, this can be done without revealing the secret. I just feel Cyclone is wrong. It’s not REAL magic but it works; works effectively; has superb, thorough instructions; and it does the job. I see this happen more and more that people don’t back up their comments because there is no accountability. They are just some “mystery” person in cyberland and the argument is essentially one-sided. When a negative comment is posted without thought, without facts, without backup, it instantly becomes “too late” – even if it is retracted it has already been read by many people.

I think Cyclone is, with all due respect, wrong as mentioned above. He may have, in fact, been disappointed but I can tell you this works, it is clever, it looks good, the prop is VERY well made and sturdy, the method is practical, it is fairly easy, the method is portable for the effect achieved, the instructions are in minute detail. Is is real? Again, no. But it’s good.

Tim Trono

I have one more thought... I guess I'd ask Cyclone exactly what he expected (without tipping the secret – you can PM me)? You HAVE to be honest with yourself when you buy magic and think about what the possibilities might be. I was actually quite happy with the method as it is better than I anticipated.

Tim
Message: Posted by: ESP Guy (Feb 8, 2003 01:58PM)
I received mine today. I'm amazed at the thought that went into it. Beautifully thought out & routined. The BEST head-on levitation. Quality instructions, CD, and device. Should've been priced higher.

Nice work, Peter.

Thom
Message: Posted by: Bob Baker (Feb 8, 2003 02:50PM)
Well, I have a big problem with what Peter is charging for the Elevator.

It's way too little. The thinking and creativity he has put in make this illusion a GREAT deal. The attention to detail and quality of the hand-manufacturing are superb.

I'm going to spend a few weeks practicing and perfecting this illusion--it deserves that. Then I'm going to perform it a bunch of times, and then I'll be back to you.

Bob
Message: Posted by: MagicMan1957 (Feb 8, 2003 05:58PM)
How many times have we all seen an incredible trick, bought it, opened the package and said, "OH ! That's it????" Yet when we did it for people it kicked butt. (Many years ago I saw Tim Wenk at a magic convention doing his Misled trick. I thought it was killer so bought it from him, got to the car, opened the package and saw the li'l gimmick. At first I was dissapointed. Then I realized that li'l gimmick is genius and have been doing Misled for probably over 15 years now!!)

Peter deserves all the credit (and all the money!) for bringing this to the magic community!
Message: Posted by: Whit Haydn (Feb 8, 2003 06:13PM)
The generally accepted formula for establishing a retail value for a magic product is five times the cost. This is considered a minimum, based on the idea that the product will be sold through wholesale (50-60% of retail) and jobbers (40-50% of retail).

If the materials cost anywhere near $40 the Elevator is way underpriced. The only way this can be distributed at a price like that is because it is only sold retail off the web.

It is a bargain.
Message: Posted by: Dennis Michael (Feb 8, 2003 06:54PM)
I emailed Peter on how I thought I would make the same effect. I knew going in that I wasn't far off. Yes, I could do the same effect under $10; however, it did not stop me from buying the Elevator. (My method would not have been a quality product for $10 bucks.)

As a matter of fact I could make most of the magic I bought. It's not the point. It is so much easier to buy it than make it.

As I said elsewhere, my best critic, my 9 year old son, was stunned. [b]"WOW Dad's Floating!"[/b] I did it the first time with no practice and it worked like a charm. That excitement of my son believing his Dad can float was worth the $100 bucks. I can hear it now in school, "My dad floated in the kitchen and I walked all around him." He has no idea on how it is done!

I paid $10 bucks on how to beat the horses and got a box with a whip in it!

Peter, did a great job and it is worth more than I paid for it!
Message: Posted by: Brandon Harper (Feb 8, 2003 08:35PM)
I have to agree with almost everyone. I received mine today. I opened the box and started to laugh. Not because I was disappointed, but because I didn't think of it myself. The quality of the prop is superb. I am very surprised that Peter managed to sell it for $100. He set out to "fix" a lot of problems that exist with other levitations, AND DID!!!! If you are not impressed with the quality of work and the thought that went into the creation of the trick, I challenge you to find me a better example. Peter did a wonderful job and he should be commended for it.
Message: Posted by: Cyclone (Feb 8, 2003 10:39PM)
I'm on the process of building my own custom Elevator ;)


Oh and quit sending me PM's requesting to trade items because I won't.

Peace! :righton:
Message: Posted by: thehawk (Feb 9, 2003 05:29AM)
I think Peter's idea for the elevator is brilliant. Good job Peter. With a bit of thinking this effect will definitely blow people away. The best thing about it is that you are left clean before and after.
This item is a bargain for what Peter is selling it for. It definitely could have been priced higher. Now that everybody on the Café has had a chance to get one Peter, could you please raise the price?
Message: Posted by: Dennis Michael (Feb 9, 2003 08:08AM)
The Elevator is priced right. It allows the serious minded entertainer an opportunity to purchase a quality effect and enchance his performance.

It is not something one can do on a stage or in a resturant setting, but close-up, small groups, and controlled situations it will be great.

Peter also has to make a profit as well as Hocus-Pocus (exclusive dealer for the Elevator)

There may be only a hundred or so people who already bought it, or even a thousand. That still is not a lot of people world wide doing it. It is not the Professor's Nightmare that someone can go out and buy a piece of rope and cut it into three pieces.

I just hope the clones don't pop up!
Message: Posted by: Bill Beach (Feb 9, 2003 10:33AM)
I received mine yesterday and must say that I agree 100% with all the positive comments that have been made. The Elevator is well-constructed, very deceptive, and well worth the price.

That being said, I did find one negative aspect. I'm a fairly big guy, 6 ft, 230 lbs. While practicing in my kitchen, which has vinyl flooring, I noticed it left some imprints the shape of the gimmick on the floor. They can be seen when the light hits the floor at the right angle. I'm hoping my wife doesn't notice, and I'm glad it was my floor instead of someone else's.

Perhaps this wouldn't be a problem for a smaller person, but it might be a good idea to avoid using the Elevator on a vinyl floor surface, especially those that seem to be soft or cushioned.

I have PM'd Peter of this situation. Other than that, I am extremely pleased with the product can't wait to start using it!!

Bill Beach
Message: Posted by: Peter Loughran (Feb 9, 2003 10:55AM)
LOL! I'm sorry to hear that. Sorry, I don't mean to laugh. I'm just thinking of your wife...lol.

But on the end of the CD I talk about adding a special something for something else in mind, but that special something will be a solution to that minor detail as well.

Hope that helps.

P.
Message: Posted by: yoey2000 (Feb 9, 2003 11:00AM)
I still need an answer to my questions. Are both feet an equal distance from the floor? If not, that looks kinda funny. Also, can it be seen from the front and the sides at the SAME time? I think the side levitation looks a [b]lot[/b] better then the front. You can't even tell he's levitating unless you "look" under his feet, which may reveal the secret.
Message: Posted by: Peter Loughran (Feb 9, 2003 11:08AM)
Yes, both feet are equal distance from the floor when levitating.

Yes, you can view it from the front or the sides at the same time. You can have specators on three sides of you while you perform it.

I do include a presentation in the manuscript that allows you to have your spectators see under your feet while you are floating. When I was first experimenting with the effect in the public for my own use, this was one of the presentations I was doing.

Hope this helps.

P.
Message: Posted by: yoey2000 (Feb 9, 2003 01:39PM)
Thanks! It looks great! I should be ordering it soon! :)
Message: Posted by: Magical Dimensions (Feb 9, 2003 02:12PM)
Hello,
I have been viewing this thread and all the others. I have not joined in until now. The reason is, why talk about something when you don't know anything about the product?

I viewed this thread when it was first posted. One post has been cleaned up since then. It was the very first post. That person told everyone viewing, how this effect was done. He also mentioned that he could make it for around $40.00 U.S.A.

I have been doing magic for a long time, and I expect to pay a little more for the right of keeping the secret! After all, this is how we, grown ups, do things in the world of magic! Why would someone pay over $100, and then tell everyone how it was done? All I can say is, Kids.

Peter, I am impressed with what you did. I like the gimmick, but what I really like is the magic of getting into position! You are a master at misdirection. This positioning is so natural.

I have one comment about 'going south'. I have noise when I go south. What I do after I land, is use one hand and try to stop or slow down the noise level. This works fine for me.

I would have paid $200 for this effect. It is everything that I expected and more. Thanks for giving the magic world this great effect.

Ray Noble

P.S. Peter, what software did you use for making the CD?
Message: Posted by: Peter Loughran (Feb 9, 2003 02:50PM)
Ray,

Michael Sibbernsen came up with a beautiful and easy solution for this. When you register the product with us I will share the info Michael has so thoughtfully contributed and is allowing us to share. Since Michael contacted me about this, I was seriously thinking of putting together a short book on additional notes, ideas, routines and presentations gathered from experts in our field such as Michael and from really anyone with good ideas. I think that would be pretty cool, and of course it would only be available to those who have registered the product with us.

I'm not really too worried about people making their 'Versions' as I doubt it would be as good, considering we had one piece specially designed, and another component was tampered with quite a bit unknown to the owner of the prop. I was going to mention the modifications that we did in the manuscript but my builder advised against it just for that reason of people trying to copy the product as good.

Anyway, thanks Ray for the comments. I'll hopefully see you floating around sometime.

P.
Message: Posted by: Bill Beach (Feb 9, 2003 04:08PM)
Hey Peter, how about a password protected page on your website where those of us who have purchased the product could share ideas, tips, and experiences we've had with the Elevator (I anticipate many interesting experiences).

You could post the additonal ideas you have collected there as well. Would save you the expense of printing up an additonal manual and the information would always be current.

Perhaps the password could be the purchaser's e-mail address and document number.

Don't know if this would be feasible or not, but it would be a neat thing!!

Bill Beach -- has been floating around all day!!
Message: Posted by: Dennis Michael (Feb 9, 2003 05:51PM)
Bill,

Great idea, and yes it is feasible. I like the idea, since every Elevator has a code number and a name attached to it. It is simple to put up a statistical page to check who is using the site.

Peter,

I have to tell you I too am over weight and it left an impression on the rug which my wife immediately noticed it. Also, it is an inspiration to lose weight so I can "go south" a lot easier and without falling.
Message: Posted by: Peter Loughran (Feb 9, 2003 06:25PM)
Perhaps you should stick to a hard surface like a street. Or maybe rub the carpet afterwards with your feet briefly before showing the bottom, as described in the manuscript regarding a particular presentation. If you have a problem, we probably have the solution, so try emailing us first with your question rather than posting the potentially revealing question.

Thanks,

P.
Message: Posted by: Outlawz_311 (Feb 9, 2003 08:47PM)
[quote]
On 2003-02-09 18:51, DenDowhy wrote:

I have to tell you I too am over weight and it left an impression on the rug an my wife immediately noticed it. Also, it is an inspriation to lose weight so I can "go south" a lot easier and without falling.
[/quote]

:rotf: I made the same mistake Bill.
Message: Posted by: Sean Leo (Feb 10, 2003 05:10AM)
Peter, you are right...not much of a weight limitation. However, I have a problem with "length" limitation. Hope you understand what I mean.

By the way, the script has how many pages? Seems like my 1st page is missing (not delivered). :)
Message: Posted by: FTAMagician (Feb 11, 2003 08:10AM)
Really do hope we can work out something where with the code number or whatever, ONLY those that own this can get in and talk about "things". I'm sure everybody that has one has a performance or set-up (or clean-up) idea!!!! I know I do but can't post 'em...yet!!! Let's have an "Elevator Owners Only" place!!!!
Message: Posted by: Platt (Feb 11, 2003 09:06AM)
Well, I caved in and bought the Elevator. Having stated in earlier posts (on the Elevator) that the "next greatest thing" is never the next greatest thing, I wasn't expecting much.

That said, I commend Peter on exhibiting the utmost creativity. Upon opening the box I went through the whole, "Darn, why didn't I think of that!" routine. He simply combined two basic principles that nobody previously thought to combine.

Let's face it, nobody's ever satisfied when they buy a floating or levitating effect. Like others have mentioned, we're somehow expecting to receive something more real than what we get. Whatever that means. The brilliance in Peter's thinking is not so much the levitation, but the fact that you start and end clean. That's huge.

A few things to keep in mind-

1. Don't expect to be able to this thing barefoot. I'm sure it's possible, but it would be painful and very difficult.

2. There will be better versions of this, hopefully released by Peter. Trust me on this. I can already think of ways to make the gimmick more stealthy as well as create a better illusion. Would it cost more? Of course. But I think "The Elevator II Deluxe" will be well worth it.

Again, the basic premise is very smart and creative. And yes, it works. Congratulations Peter!
I'm excited to see where your invention goes from here.
Message: Posted by: jimesw (Feb 11, 2003 09:56AM)
Hi Peter

Can you tell me how much this would cost to ship to the UK? I posted the message here as I'm guessing a few other people in the UK will be interested to know.

cheers
jimesw@yahoo.com
Message: Posted by: Peter Loughran (Feb 11, 2003 09:58AM)
Thanks, Platt. I'm glad you saw the cleverness in what I created. That means a lot from the previous posts we were exchanging earlier.

I have this invention very well protected and a lot of great performers and people in the biz on my side with this. I challenge anyone to try to release a different version of this to the market without my permission and see how far they get with their product. I'm not sure if I personally will be releasing an Elevator II deluxe version as I think what I have does the job and does it well. Why try to fix something that's not broken?

I don't find it painful doing it barefoot, but I imagine you are correct in saying some might find it difficult. But don't forget, I have been working with the Elevator for a lot longer than anyone else. But really I don't think too many people would even want to do it barefoot, but the option is there.

Thanks for the comments Platt, you obviouly like to tell it how you see it without holding back, and I appreciate the kind words. Again this means a lot coming from someone so skeptical as yourself.

P.
Message: Posted by: Tim Taylor (Feb 11, 2003 08:57PM)
I too left rings on the vinyl. The only problem is I didn't catch it until I left 10 of them. Luckily we rent. I love the tying your shoelace ideal. Any more ideas like that?
Message: Posted by: Ben721 (Feb 11, 2003 10:05PM)
I ordered one but don't officially have it yet. My idea is to announce that you are feeling sick and bend down. Put your head in your heads and while you are down you "do the work" then come back up. You say that you are feeling very light headed, then start to levitate. Stay suspended for a second then come back down acting like you had no idea what just happened.

It might just work.
Message: Posted by: Sean Leo (Feb 12, 2003 05:37AM)
Peter....how many pages are there in the script? When I received it, I think HP left out the 1st page.
Message: Posted by: Backpalmking (Feb 12, 2003 06:35AM)
How much will this cost to buy and ship to the UK ???? Several people have asked this question but with no reply!

Thanks

Gary
Message: Posted by: jimesw (Feb 12, 2003 06:59AM)
Hi Gary

Peter sent me a message. It is $15 from Peter and he doesn't know how much from HP.

Only problem is you will have to send dollars to Peter by mail. A bankers draft is the way to go if you don't have a US bank account. It will therefore be easier to order through HP (although they are out of stock at the moment.)

Anyone own the Elevator and want to demonstrate it at the Blackpool convention :bg: :bg: