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Topic: Sponge Balls vs. Coins vs. Billiard Balls
Message: Posted by: Nathan Hastings (Aug 21, 2007 03:22PM)
I've personally never gotten around to sponge balls or billiard balls since I've started seriously practicing magic, busying myself mostly with cards and coins. I'm curious as to what's easier to manipulate: Coins, sponges, or billiard balls. Which is the easiest to palm? What about false transfers?

Thanks for your help.
Message: Posted by: JamesTong (Aug 21, 2007 03:51PM)
Perhaps this might help to open up your mind towards picking up new things.

I crafted a mini top hat to work along with the 3D sponge rabbits. This top hat is crafted out of polymer clay. I do a couple of appearance and vanishes with it and from it the sponge rabbit appears. Then multiply them and move towards the main routine.

For your viewing pleasure ...

[img]http://www.uniquemagicballs.com/cafe/graphics/tophat_rabbit_10k_300px.jpg[/img]
Message: Posted by: Nathan Hastings (Aug 21, 2007 03:55PM)
That's a great idea. Everybody's heard of the cliched rabbit from a hat, but when you produce a tiny sponge rabbit in a little pink hat, it's funny, it's original. I'm sure people love it.
Message: Posted by: JamesTong (Aug 21, 2007 04:00PM)
I thought you would like it. Thanks!
Message: Posted by: yin_howe (Aug 21, 2007 10:00PM)
That's a really good idea James.

As for Nathan's question, sponges are more for close up whereas billiard balls are more to parlor/stage.
Message: Posted by: Andy the cardician (Aug 21, 2007 11:32PM)
Sponge are probably the easiest ones to start with . . .
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Aug 22, 2007 04:44PM)
This section of the forum is not about manipulation. It's about other types of sleight of hand.

Few people manipulate sponge balls. I don't know why people manipulate billiard balls. Golf balls make more sense.
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (Aug 22, 2007 05:43PM)
James... great item. I can see starting with 3 Tiny hats and doing the old 2 in the pocket one in the hand, climaxing with a BIGGER HAT (LIKE SHOWN) with the Bunny within.
Message: Posted by: graywolf (Aug 22, 2007 05:56PM)
Chicago balls are the only sponge balls I know of to manipulate..Howard
Message: Posted by: Nathan Hastings (Aug 23, 2007 10:18AM)
I apologize for the confusion, I didn't mean "manipulate" as in stage manipulation I just meant which is the best place to start when you're learning palms and false transfers.
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Aug 23, 2007 10:22AM)
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On 2007-08-23 11:18, Nathan Hastings wrote:
I apologize for the confusion, I didn't mean "manipulate" as in stage manipulation I just meant which is the best place to start when you're learning palms and false transfers.
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Now I am confused, you posted in the Stage Manipulation section of the Café, not in the close-up section. Which are you inquiring about, Stage or Close-up?
Message: Posted by: jay leslie (Aug 23, 2007 11:07AM)
Sponge balls would be the easiest to learn since the odds of them slipping from your hands like coins of solid balls is relatively small.

Try searching for sponge ball sleights and/or routines. That should set you on the right track.
Message: Posted by: Nathan Hastings (Aug 23, 2007 02:44PM)
To answer your question, wmhegbli, I posted my question in the close-up sleight of hand section, but it was moved because of my confusing choice of words.

Again, I apologize for everyone's confusion. This is definitely the last time I'll use the word manipulate when not in the stage manipulation context.
Message: Posted by: JamesTong (Aug 23, 2007 03:03PM)
I believe the word - 'billiard balls' used in the subject of the topic relates to manipulation.
Message: Posted by: kregg (Aug 23, 2007 04:57PM)
I'd start with coins. From my perspective they're all easy to "manipulate." The hardest part is deciding how best to use them in your act. Balls and sponge objects both suggest playfulness. Coins are common identifiable items, all you need is some change and you've got a lead in.
Message: Posted by: mcharisse (Aug 25, 2007 11:01PM)
The conventional wisdom is that coins are the hardest, sponges the easiest (though I think thimbles are even easier).

Marc the Magic Man
Message: Posted by: Sean Ashton (Aug 26, 2007 07:45AM)
Shoot ogawa doesn't make thimbles look easy ... lot's of work done here.
Message: Posted by: mcharisse (Aug 26, 2007 08:00AM)
Magicians can make anything hard -- and sometimes beautiful. But the basic sleights, I think are easier with thimbles than with coins, making them a good beginner form of manipulation.

Marc the Magic Man
Message: Posted by: Tony Thomas (Aug 26, 2007 03:47PM)
Bill mentioned Golf Balls rather than billiard balls - I agree. People are familiar with Golf. I think a silicone Fakini Manipulation Golf Ball is the easiest and most visual slight of hand manipulation ball. They are a little expensive, but awesome. Because of their weight, and texture, I believe they are much easier to manipulate than a sponge ball. My vote - Fakini Manipulation Balls, hands down!
Message: Posted by: JamesTong (Aug 26, 2007 05:50PM)
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On 2007-08-22 18:43, Pete Biro wrote:
James... great item. I can see starting with 3 Tiny hats and doing the old 2 in the pocket one in the hand, climaxing with a BIGGER HAT (LIKE SHOWN) with the Bunny within.
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Thanks, Pete. My routine starts off with micro top hat appearances first before the bigger one appear with the bunny.
Message: Posted by: Dynamike (Aug 28, 2007 04:49PM)
Magicians have diffetrent taste. Try working with all of them. You might not stick with the one that is easiest for you, you might stick with the one that is more interesting for you to perform.