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Topic: Johnny Paul's C & B Routine - Sources?
Message: Posted by: stevenamills (Aug 26, 2007 08:40PM)
I was fortunate enough to get one of Pete's last sets of JP cups (Thanks Pete) and am starting to work on the routine.

The only source I have is the Stevens' Tape and I found the explanation rather disorganized. Has his routine ever been written up in any form? A search through the many references on the Café produced nothing.

Thanks for any help.....
sam
Message: Posted by: Terry Holley (Aug 26, 2007 11:05PM)
If I remember correctly, Pete had the routine written up at one time. I'm sure he'll chime in here to let you know.

Terry
Message: Posted by: JamesTong (Aug 27, 2007 01:26PM)
I believe it is important to work out the techniques taught by Johnny Paul and then try to create your own sequence of moves for your routine.

I got a set from Pete too and now I'm trying out my own sequence. Those cups can do wonders. Try them out with all kind of possiblities.
Message: Posted by: professorwhut (Aug 27, 2007 01:34PM)
Are the JP cups still available from any dealer?

thanks
Message: Posted by: JamesTong (Aug 27, 2007 01:51PM)
Try contacting Pete Biro and hope he has one left.
Message: Posted by: Mobius303 (Aug 27, 2007 03:06PM)
I think pete's last sets (behind the file cabinet) were sold.
He mentioned something about maybe a second run...let's hope.
Jake or pete any word on this????
Mobius
Message: Posted by: JamesTong (Aug 27, 2007 03:12PM)
This is good news, Mike. I hope Jake get them out in other materials besides brass.
Message: Posted by: walid ahumada (Aug 28, 2007 11:23AM)
I got a set of those cups from pete and he send me the routine along with the cups.
I am very happy with my cups they are beautifull, however I am having some problems with the routine since I can not dislodge the ball in a natural way, in fact every time I try this move I have to smash the cup real loud.
am I doing something wrong??
Message: Posted by: Glenn Watson (Aug 28, 2007 12:07PM)
I have the same problem. I have tried changing the size of the sponge ball but that was no help.I had purchased the cups from Stevens magic. Included was a set of instructions ,which I lost. Glenn
Message: Posted by: stevenamills (Aug 28, 2007 12:21PM)
On the Stevens' tape Johnny was having the very same problem - to the point I thought the methodology was apparent to all but the lamest space cadets. In fairness, this was filmed well after his prime.

I'm anxious to begin work on the routine and see if I can make it workable.

sam
Message: Posted by: DwightPA (Aug 28, 2007 01:35PM)
I also got one of the last sets and am awaiting its arrival. I hope this thread will stay alive to exchange experiences and info.

Dwight
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (Aug 28, 2007 01:54PM)
Johnny Paul DID slam the cups down a bit on the hard/loud side. He worked on a bar surface most of the time, but if you use a pad it should be no problem. Try wetting the balls (serously) and ring them out almost dry.
Message: Posted by: JamesTong (Aug 28, 2007 02:59PM)
Thanks, Pete. I will try out the moist sponge ball method which gives the ball a bit of weight.
Message: Posted by: walid ahumada (Aug 28, 2007 04:05PM)
Also if you wet the balls they will get bigger
Message: Posted by: JamesTong (Aug 28, 2007 04:17PM)
Does that mean the ball would get stuck more and we have to slam the cup even harder? Would the slightly added weight fromthe wetted sponge ball helps?
Message: Posted by: walid ahumada (Aug 28, 2007 06:54PM)
Did not work for me, I'll wait to see if anybody give us a diferent result.
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (Aug 28, 2007 08:31PM)
You have to experiment and practice. You may need to trim the sponges down or try different kinds. Once you get it you will have a winner.
Message: Posted by: JamesTong (Aug 29, 2007 02:26AM)
I guess it is back to lots of experimenting. Will try out all kinds of sponge balls and get back to you guys.
Message: Posted by: RiffRaff (Aug 29, 2007 08:12AM)
Please send all of your 'defective' cups to me.
Message: Posted by: DwightPA (Aug 29, 2007 08:45AM)
Which seem to have the most promise, the regular or supersoft balls?

Dwight
Message: Posted by: walid ahumada (Aug 29, 2007 10:03AM)
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On 2007-08-29 09:12, RiffRaff wrote:
Please send all of your 'defective' cups to me.
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I know you are kidding but nobody is complaining about the cups we just need a ball smaller than 2 inches and bigger than 1.5 inches something like 1,5/8 or 1,3/4.

we can always go back to vernon's routine with this cups.
Message: Posted by: padre rich (Aug 29, 2007 10:42AM)
If you can make a big enough order Steve Goshman(magic by Gosh) might consider doing it. It doesn't hurt to ask.
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (Aug 29, 2007 11:36AM)
In the days BEFORE GOSHMAN the way to go was to buy sponges for the bath at the dime store and get out your scissors and start cutting.

However, right now I find the 2-inch sponges I have (they seem to be super soft) are working just fine.
Message: Posted by: FunTimeAl (Aug 30, 2007 03:27PM)
BSutter and I were talking about this routine last night for a while. It seems that one needs to take on a bit of a theatric (read: Italian) persona to help assist with the dislodging of the balls.

If your whole routine in gentle and calm, then suddenly you whip the cup onto the table, you will be telegraphing your secrets to all around you. However, if you play-act a bit and make your gestures large, talk with your hands, & use larger hand and arm movements to break down the PC barriers of comfortable distance a bit, then the dislodging move can be done undetected.

I'm certainly not suggesting that you need to be rude, or obnoxious...just a tad "larger than life". I watch Johnny on the Stevens video and see him in this light. He is charismatic, warm, and yet theatric with his movements. In other words, flawless :)

I have said a few times that I love these cups above all others and that this routine is by far my favorite effect. So, perhaps I'm too invested emotionally to have an unbiased opinion on the subject...
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (Aug 30, 2007 03:30PM)
You're right. You have to see the way Johnny Paul does this to understand the total dynamics. And like anything else, you have to PRACTICE and PRACTICE CORRECTLY.

His way is different when doing his top change, the bill tear, etc. A great lesson in how to do things is to study this man.
Message: Posted by: BSutter (Aug 30, 2007 03:40PM)
Chad,

To grasp the essence of the routine puts one on the road to enlightenment.

The path you have selected is the correct one, may it bring you many rewards.

Regards,
Bill Sutter
Message: Posted by: walid ahumada (Aug 30, 2007 04:14PM)
Thanks to this thread I am interested again in this routine, so I am working on it.

if anybody is doing this routine I would love to see a demo.
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (Aug 30, 2007 05:20PM)
Get the video (maybe now DVD) from http://www.stevensmagic.com and see the REAL WORK. If you have not seen it, before you look at the "how" segment, I'll bet you he fools the pants off you as to where the first ball comes from.
Message: Posted by: walid ahumada (Aug 30, 2007 06:28PM)
Just ordered 2 days ago I am waiting for it.

did you clon the cups from the original ? or you fix a little here and there?
Message: Posted by: Jeff Dial (Aug 30, 2007 08:12PM)
I found that 1 1/2" Super Softs blow up to just about the perfect size when wet and then rung out. The only problem being evaporation if one is doing several sets.

I am currently using the cups as "period" cups in my Renaissance act.

Pete also came up with a nice move that disproves the actual method.
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (Aug 30, 2007 09:01PM)
These cups were made from actual copy of Johnny Paul's own set that are now owned by Gary Darwin. Gary kindly let me take the measurements.
Message: Posted by: DwightPA (Aug 30, 2007 09:16PM)
Just received my set of the Johnny Paul cups from Pete this morning. They are beautiful amd I'm very pleased with them. Now I've got to go to the woodshed!

Dwight Powell
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (Aug 30, 2007 09:47PM)
Woodshed? What do you want wood for?
Message: Posted by: DwightPA (Sep 4, 2007 01:16PM)
Woodsheddin' = Practice
Message: Posted by: walid ahumada (Sep 4, 2007 01:23PM)
Please let us know how are you doing, any problems with the dislodge move?
Message: Posted by: JamesTong (Sep 4, 2007 02:02PM)
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On 2007-09-04 14:16, DwightPA wrote:
Woodsheddin' = Practice
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LOL you got Pete there, DwightPA :)
Message: Posted by: DwightPA (Sep 8, 2007 09:40AM)
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On 2007-09-04 14:23, walid ahumada wrote:
Please let us know how are you doing, any problems with the dislodge move?
[/quote]

Sorry to take so long to respond, but I wanted to experiment a little more with the various techniques listed on this thread.

I am having the best results with the 1-1/2" Supersoft balls that have been wetted to expand. I squeeze out as much water as I can and then roll the balls between my palms to help ensure that they are as round as I can get them. I plan to keep using this process.

I have very good success with the dislodge, but the "pick-up" can be a litle dicey. When doing the "pick-up", I have found that it helps with either the 1-1/2" or 2" balls to give a little twist to the cup as you set it on the ball. I believe this compensates for any lack of roundness in the ball.

I think that some failure to either pick up the ball or dislodge it is to be expected. If you notice the Johnny Paul video, he simply uses the device of encouraging the ball to pass and slams it again as though it was a normal occurance. Similar situation with a failed pick up; Pete Biro developed his "feint" to sometimes show that the ball didn't pass, so why not just use the failed pick up by acting as though this was not unusual and encourage the ball. I believe the key to dealing with either of these situations is to stay relaxed and maintain your rhythm.

Dwight
Message: Posted by: Jeff Dial (Sep 8, 2007 12:47PM)
Although I've not performed the routine I would agree with Dwight.

As the 1 1/2" Super Softs wetted and pressed out seem to work the best, has anyone figured out a good way to keep them moist during long performace period?
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (Sep 8, 2007 01:04PM)
Produce 'em from your mouth? :kermit:
Message: Posted by: walid ahumada (Sep 8, 2007 02:12PM)
I still belive we need a ball between 1,1/2 and 2 inches, however the 1,1/2 ball is more workable than the 2 inches.

jeff dial: I do not think they will get dry even in a long routine, if you want to reset them for another performance may be a good idea to get a bottle of eye drops full of water and pour on the balls about 5 drops or so.
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (Sep 8, 2007 07:50PM)
I haven't been doing the routine of late, but I never had any trouble with the Gosman super soft 2-inch balls.
Message: Posted by: Jeff Dial (Sep 8, 2007 11:07PM)
OK Pete, I'm ready to give them a try again.

Peter Marcucci should be chiming in shortly about producing the balls from the mouth. :)
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (Sep 9, 2007 06:27PM)
Sorry... Gosman should have been Goshman. :coffee:
Message: Posted by: Jeff Dial (Sep 10, 2007 01:44AM)
FWIW I had the chance to play with the cups and 2" super softs this weekend. They do seem to work better than 2" regular softs. Actually about the same as 1 1/2" water soaked. Thanks again Pete.
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Mar 25, 2013 12:23AM)
Mr. Johnny Paul:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFZJhkTEnIo

A little about Johnny for those that don't know him:

http://www.geniimagazine.com/magicpedia/Johnny_Paul
Message: Posted by: sadhu (Mar 25, 2013 10:42AM)
Just purchased a set of Johnny Paul cups from the
Stevens Magic Emporium and it comes with a Johnny
Paul cups and balls routine instructional DVD, what
a wonderful value!