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Topic: False shuffle, that just cuts a deck
Message: Posted by: jmuscold (Sep 26, 2007 12:49PM)
I keep searching all of the topics on false shuffles, and they either deal with complete deck order, or retaining top stock or bottom stack.

I am learning the BCS stack and need a false shuffle that merely cuts the deck, what false shuffles do that?

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Message: Posted by: Morphy (Sep 26, 2007 03:51PM)
The Greek-Shuffle (Lennard Green explains it in one of his tapes)
Optical Overhand shuffle (Card College, I don't think its the correct name, but in this shuffle you just do the movements of a shuffle, but don't really do anything with the cards)
Message: Posted by: churken (Sep 26, 2007 06:57PM)
I mis-understand exactly what you are trying to do. Any true false shuffle retains the deck in exactly the same order it started in. For example the top card before the shuffle would still be the top card after the shuffle.

Richard Osterlind teaches a very good false shuffle on his Mind Mysteries dvd's. It is on the same dvd that he teaches the Break-through Card System. It can be done either sitting or standing.

All of Lenert Greens false shuffles and cuts are excellent.

Carl Hein's Heinstein shuffle is incredible.

Paul
Message: Posted by: jmuscold (Sep 26, 2007 07:52PM)
I am trying to have a false shuffle that merely cuts the deck or does not disturb the order. For the stacked deck it only has to be in a certain cyclical order which means you can legitametly cut the deck and the trick still works. I was hoping that there is a very deceptive false shuffle that would work with this, since I do not need to keep a perfect stack.
Message: Posted by: Billgussen (Sep 27, 2007 04:47AM)
A well performed Optical Shuffle from Card College (as Morphy mentioned) is perfect for BCS. It does exactly what you said and looks like a common shuffle, but merely cuts the deck.

The weird thing is, for me, I just do a bunch of quick, sloppy cuts. If you're relaxed about it, it really looks like you're mixing up the cards. My wife sees through magic like a laser, but when I did a few relaxed cuts, she had no idea how I figured out what card she had drawn.

Probably the best is the Heinstein shuffle while standing or Zarrow while seated, but both take an awful lot of practice.

Bill
Message: Posted by: brainchild (Oct 5, 2007 05:03AM)
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On 2007-09-26 19:57, churken wrote:
Richard Osterlind teaches a very good false shuffle on his Mind Mysteries dvd's. It is on the same dvd that he teaches the Break-through Card System. It can be done either sitting or standing.
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Ditto. Unless you are performing for a room of card magicians, this is all you will ever need.
Message: Posted by: Mitch Schneiter (Oct 5, 2007 09:31AM)
You should check out Eric Anderson's false shuffle.
Message: Posted by: Andy Moss (Nov 5, 2007 09:47AM)
Churken and Brainchild both give good advice. Richard Osterlind does indeed give a full and clear description of a false shuffle that "that merely cuts the deck" called a Charlier shuffle. It works well if used in conjuction with a simple overhand false shuffle beforehand such as the G.W Hunter. You could learn more difficult shuffles but the two I have mentioned really are all you need with the B.C.S. With best wishes Andy.
Message: Posted by: Jon_Thompson (Nov 7, 2007 06:52PM)
[quote]On 2007-09-26 13:49, jmuscold wrote:
I am learning the BCS stack and need a false shuffle that merely cuts the deck, what false shuffles do that?
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A Charlier Shuffle will do this beautifully, with the added advantage that it will look messy, so you can do it as if not really watching what you're doing, while being burnt by your spec. In my copy of Royal Road it begins at the bottom on page 131.
Message: Posted by: Hideo Kato (Nov 10, 2007 08:52AM)
'Up The Ladder Cut' is good for the purpose.

Hideo Kato
Message: Posted by: daver (Dec 17, 2007 08:35PM)
Bill Malone does a wonderful job of teaching a set of false cuts and shuffles in "On the Loose" Vol 1 when he shows "Sam the Bellhop"

The teaching is not about the shuffles, but the routine, but in doing so, he teaches a mess of shuffles and a couple of flourishes to boot. Very nicely done...

Dave
Message: Posted by: jennings (Dec 18, 2007 08:24PM)
How about a lift shuffle. I use that all the time when preserving a memorised deck. Just do it in a casual way without looking at the hands and you will never get caught.
Message: Posted by: drumdemon420 (Dec 19, 2007 12:49AM)
If I am seated I usually use a push through shuffle followed by and up the ladder cut. Sometime I substitute the Zarrow if my crowd isn't burning my hands because I'm not 100% confident with my Zarrow yet.

If I am standing I use the one taught right on the BCS DVD. I believe it can also be found in Tarbell. Some day I will get my hands on the Heinstein and get that one down. It looks like I have some work to do.

I have also toyed with the idea of setting up the deck, giving the deck 6 perfect faros and putting it in the box. Then, when I bring out the deck, I give it two more perfect faros and restore the order.
Message: Posted by: ghostpianist (Dec 19, 2007 07:27AM)
The false "butt shuffle", overhanded style, and the end result is only cut the deck.
Message: Posted by: Steve Burton (Dec 19, 2007 01:37PM)
In the Legerdemain section of Erdnase's Expert at the Card Table is a section on Blind Shuffles (page 159). The First Method cuts the deck once while retaining the entire deck's order.






"All things being Equal, I'm having a Splenda day."
Message: Posted by: vpatanio (Jan 7, 2008 09:27PM)
The false shuffle taught in Watch Magic by Oz Pearlman is the one I use and am most comfortable with. It is a false riffle shuffle that utilizes a swivle cut.

-Vinny
Message: Posted by: Stephen Thompson (Jan 27, 2008 09:37AM)
Here is a little video of my false shuffle. I hope you like it. I think it looks more like a real shuffle than a real shuffle ....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkrdiPmJw6U

regards

S
Message: Posted by: Joshua Barrett (Jan 28, 2008 02:56PM)
Why not just do a false shuffle then a real cut instead of making it complicated with a "special move"
Message: Posted by: Elputty (Feb 12, 2008 12:40PM)
I've messed with a couple of in the hands false riffle shuffles. I used Osterlind's for a long time (the key being to do it casually while you're explaining the premise of whatever you're going to do), and have used a personal variation of Guy Hollingworth's in the hands shuffle (actually closer to Oz's shuffle mentioned above). However, the shuffle I currently use is the Grey Shuffle, taught by Benjamin Earl. It is very secure and very deceptive. It is also useful for stacks because it fulfills your requirement.
Message: Posted by: trickytrav (Feb 14, 2008 04:24PM)
David williamson uses a brilliant false shuffle in aunt marys terrible secret which he credits to erdnase I think in expert at the card table.i use this regularly for a stacked cyclic deck i.e si stebbins eight kings its very easy to do and extremely deceptive
Message: Posted by: ChrisK (Feb 14, 2008 06:25PM)
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On 2008-01-28 15:56, Joshua Barrett wrote:
Why not just do a false shuffle then a real cut instead of making it complicated with a "special move"
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Ditto that. In fact, a simple swivel cut will do won't it? Why draw extra attention to yourself and the deck when you don't have to.
Message: Posted by: magician8 (Feb 16, 2008 09:10AM)
Do a push hough and then the bottom half goes to the top.


8
Message: Posted by: AlexanderYan (Mar 4, 2008 01:50AM)
There is a false shuffle that was taught to me by Jeff McBride, but can be seen on Eugene Burger's Stevens Magic Emporium video. He uses it in his routine, "Diamond Jack". It is extremely convincing, occurs in the hands, and can easily be used to simply cut the deck under the guise of a somewhat sloppy shuffle.

-AY
Message: Posted by: Bobby Forbes (Apr 6, 2008 06:44PM)
Lennart green's "real green shuffle"

Benjamin Earl's "grey shuffle"
Message: Posted by: JHNelson (Apr 8, 2008 03:38PM)
My vote is on a push through or strip out and then legitmately cut the deck. Or a false strip cut. I use a false strip to set a key card. It gives the impression of a fair shuffle while maintaining full deck order.