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Topic: Sympathetic Silks and your other favorite silk routines
Message: Posted by: Mumblemore (Oct 4, 2007 05:41PM)
Silk workers rave about Sympathetic Silks, but I haven't located the trick (it's referenced in Rice's encyclopedia of silks, but doesn't seem to be sold as an effect). Is this a basic prop or routine you can devise yourself if you have a source like the Rice books? Is it that good? Also, Little Darlings, what other silk tricks are your favorites?

I have gotten great reactions from Kandu's Box and also from Wonder Imagery's Tortoise and the Hare. And Mismade Flag is a staple of most shows . . .
Message: Posted by: Al Angello (Oct 4, 2007 06:32PM)
Duane Laflin's paint my flower is a silk magic trick that I get a lot of mileage out of.
The crystal tube really works well.
Acrabatic silks is my new favorite silk magic trick.
Kozak's bottle production is kind of an adult trick, but I use it to produce a juggling club.

I love silk, and rope magic.
Message: Posted by: Andre Hagen (Oct 4, 2007 08:42PM)
Yes, this a basic prop or routine you can devise yourself.

The Sympathetic Silks are covered extensively in Chapter 18, Volume 3 of Rice's Encyclopedia of Silk Magic.

A very entertaining version that would adapt well for children is taught in the 3-DVD set of "The Magic of Paul Potassy".

Slydini's great routine is taught by Tony Clark in his "Sly Scarves" DVD and in Jim Cellini's "Slydini" DVD.

I'm sure there are many other sources.

Hope this helps.

Andy
Message: Posted by: Al Angello (Oct 4, 2007 08:54PM)
Andy
Tell me about Rice's encyclopedia of silk magic. I have some 6 silk tricks that I do regularly. Do I need this book?
Message: Posted by: Andre Hagen (Oct 4, 2007 10:30PM)
Tough question Al!

There are actually four volumes to the set. It's a reference work, just as I consider the Tarbell volumes and Greater Magic as reference works. No, you really don't need to know umpteen ways to vanish a silk, but I love going back to all the books I've mentioned to find things that the herd isn't doing anymore.

All these books are part of my basic library along with the Fitzkee Trilogy, Bobo's Coin Magic, Stewart James' Encyclopedia of Rope Magic and others.

Oh, I forgot to mention "The Art of Astonishment" trilogy. I'm partial to that because I edited it.

Why do I have this feeling that I didn't really answer your question?

Andy
Message: Posted by: Mumblemore (Oct 5, 2007 11:21PM)
Thanks Andre. You're an encyclopedia yourself and we appreciate your generosity (knowledge is good; shared knowledge - that's something special).
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Oct 5, 2007 11:47PM)
The Paul Potassy routine kills, he is amazing to watch and at his age he still is smooooooth. Slydinis routine is great as well, one of my favorites and I can't recommend the Slydini material from Kozmo Magic any higher, great stuff.
Message: Posted by: Levent (Oct 6, 2007 10:40AM)
When I first started developing my Sympathetic Silks routine (about six years ago), I purchased Charlie Miller's "Knot Control" from Magic Incorporated in Chicago. It came with six scarves and an instruction sheet (for about $20). To be honest I learned a lot from Charlie Miller's instructions and I think that "Knot Control" was well worth he price! Mr. Miller's routine is very well thought out and it is a good starting point for anyone who wants to do this wonderful classic effect.

Levent
Message: Posted by: Bob Sanders (Oct 6, 2007 08:47PM)
For many decades I have used Sympathetic Silks as an opener to supply the silks I use in MisMade Flag and Soft Soap. In fact I used it last in my second stage show (8:30 show) last night!

Often I include the setup in my silk lectures. It is as basic as knowing how to force a card. Don't leave home without it!

Bob Sanders
Magic By Sander
Message: Posted by: Mumblemore (Oct 11, 2007 11:44PM)
That's a good idea Bob. Rather than just picking up new props every time, it seems more authentic if they have a history in the show... It helps weave the narrative web that separates us from TV.
Message: Posted by: Spellbinder (Oct 12, 2007 12:22PM)
I know this is heresy, but I do not find the Sympathetic Silks (anyone's routine, including Slydini's) to be a "killer" effect. In a kids' show, it is just filler. Knots travel from one set of silks to another. Big deal. Daddy, my shoe lace is all knotted up- can you fix it? Kids are used to seeing adults tie and untie knots, which are always a mystery to them until adolescence... beyond that for some.

However, I realize I am in the minority here and will get no Sympathy from lovers of the Sympathetic Silks. But for me, a "killer" routine involving silks (which are capable of very interesting things besides having knots travel between them) would be an instantaneous color change (no, NOT the one from the magic store where you push it through your fist). The Flying Bars or Zebra Silk is another "knock their socks off" effect. So are certain versions of Blendo where separate silks melt into one gorgeous design silk (not ending up looking like someone sewed four separate silks together).
Message: Posted by: Bob Sanders (Jun 7, 2008 09:11PM)
Spellbinder,

When the time comes, they are going to put us in the same cell. Then they will have a challenge!

Blendos are my weapon of first choice to "ditch" silks with gimmicks. The "new" silk is always a printed one. (I still like Dragons or pretty girls best.) But it is also a step in the body load production that follows. Those can be anything from livestock, flowers, or flags to silk fountains. (I've even tucked away a few bucks from product placement.)

It is not a knotty question!

Bob Sanders
Magic By Sander
Message: Posted by: Tom Riddle (Jun 7, 2008 09:32PM)
I used to think as Spellbinder does but I changed my mind once I saw Potassy do the Sympathetic Silks. I bet he would also have a change of heart if he were to view it.
It is the greatest presentation I have ever seen in my life.
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jun 7, 2008 09:50PM)
Keep in mind that there are lots of rope things you can do with silks and silk stuff with rope. Try a professors nightmare using silks, I did it and it looked great just keep aware of the silks and hold them so folks can make out the individual silks hanging down.
Message: Posted by: HerbS (Jan 28, 2013 07:59AM)
I am somewhat fixated on the sympathetic silks. So, even though this thread is a few years old, I'm compelled to pipe in. The effectiveness of this trick depends very much on its presentation. Of course that's true with all magic, but probably moreso here. Getting confident and polished with the mechanics takes time. But finding a clear, entertaining presentation and a rationale for the effect also requires a lot of thought and work. If it's just knots jumping back and forth, then like any other trick it can be merely a puzzle. Both Levent's and Paul Potassy's versions can be found online and both are good examples of how entertaining it can be in the right hands. One thing I like about the Sympathetic Silks is that it relies on sheer theatrical skill. With nothing more than simple props (and very basic secret tools) the magician can create a wondrous effect.
Message: Posted by: pbj100 (Jan 28, 2013 09:24AM)
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On 2007-10-12 13:22, Spellbinder wrote:
I know this is heresy, but I do not find the Sympathetic Silks (anyone's routine, including Slydini's) to be a "killer" effect. In a kids' show, it is just filler. Knots travel from one set of silks to another. Big deal. Daddy, my shoe lace is all knotted up- can you fix it? Kids are used to seeing adults tie and untie knots, which are always a mystery to them until adolescence... beyond that for some.

However, I realize I am in the minority here and will get no Sympathy from lovers of the Sympathetic Silks. But for me, a "killer" routine involving silks (which are capable of very interesting things besides having knots travel between them) would be an instantaneous color change (no, NOT the one from the magic store where you push it through your fist). The Flying Bars or Zebra Silk is another "knock their socks off" effect. So are certain versions of Blendo where separate silks melt into one gorgeous design silk (not ending up looking like someone sewed four separate silks together).
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Hi,
For me in isolation whether its tying and untying , vannish or colour change are not killer its about the routine that goes with it . The whole package so to speak , my personal sympathetic silk routine for kids uses verbal participation from the kids ala Juan Tamariz follow the leader routine and in the end I tell the kids how it was done ,,,,, a secret helper t da a 8' spring snake from the silks phil
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Feb 1, 2013 06:47AM)
Well, I learned how to do the vanising square knot (young guys tend to call it the Slydini knot--but I believe it first saw print in "Scot's Discovery") on July 4 1941 in the sideshow of the ARTHUR BROS. CIRCUS. I was 9 years old. The sideshow magician showed it to me! It took a couple years to develop the manipulative skill, and the confidence, and it has been a feature for me ever since. I started doing sympathetic silks when I was about 13.

Square knot vanish (all by itself) ALWAYS PLAYS. I use it for close up jobs, I use it for platform. I use it for Kindergarten and I use it for High Schools. I use it for colleges. I use it for adults.

Using the knot principle to do sympathetic silks has played well for me, since "forever".

Too many "magicians" expect the prop(s) to do all the work. SHOWMANSHIP! PRESENTATION! INTERACTION--INVOLVEMENT!

I watched a "magician">>>
"Here I have some ordinary silks (sic). These are separate--see?! I'll put these over here. Now, I'll tie these together with some knots..Now I will cause the knots to leave these silks (sic) and pass over there--BY MAGIC! See! the knots are gone from these "silks" (sic, again)and here are the knots over here." (Amen)

No wonder that people who've seen THAT magic show,don't care if they ever see another magician!

Bob Sanders understands! Knowing a few basic principles, and using a few "generic" props allows you to do all sorts of different effects. --And, if you add some showmanship, those effects will be entertaining, too!

KIS-MIF! KEEP IT SIMPLE-MAKE IT FUN!
Message: Posted by: Arcato (Mar 20, 2016 05:39AM)
[quote]On Oct 12, 2007, Spellbinder wrote:
I know this is heresy, but I do not find the Sympathetic Silks (anyone's routine, including Slydini's) to be a "killer" effect. In a kids' show, it is just filler. Knots travel from one set of silks to another. Big deal. Daddy, my shoe lace is all knotted up- can you fix it? Kids are used to seeing adults tie and untie knots, which are always a mystery to them until adolescence... beyond that for some [/quote]
I came across this rather old thread and I have to disagree: if you have seen Alexander De Cova's routine, it is totally baffling and fools magicians any lay audiences alike... and it uses normal silks...
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Mar 20, 2016 08:03AM)
YUP! Charlie Miller, Paul Potassy, Alexander De Cova, Levent, Bob Sanders (with some thinking, I'm sure that I could name a few more!) are/were SHOWMEN who understand how to PRESENT a very SIMPLE trick, with a very SIMPLE prop, so that it ENTERTAINS!

Jay Marshall and I agree(d) years ago on a BASIC concept.

To add a trick to one's act, three things are necessary:

1. Learn how the trick is DONE.

2 Learn how to DO it.

3. Learn how to DO it so that it ENTERTAINS!

When I was a teen, my mentors said: "It aint WHAT ya do, it's HOW ya do it!!!"

P R E S E N T A T I O N "BEATS" P R O P, EVERY TIME!
Message: Posted by: noland (Mar 20, 2016 08:20AM)
Dick Stoner does a very entertaining version of Sympathetic Silks in his video, "More I Spell Magic F-U-N," and Kimmo shares his kid-show presentation of this effect in his lecture notes "Inventive Magic".
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Mar 20, 2016 10:12AM)
Yeah! Dick Stoner is a friend, and, he knows what PLAYS!!!

I don't KNOW Kimmo, but, I've heard GOOD things about him.
Message: Posted by: Quentin (Mar 20, 2016 12:10PM)
John lectured near me recently and performed his Sympathetic Silks routine which was excellent and full of fun.
I'm not sure which of his lecture notes includes it but his webpage is here:
http://www.kimmo.co.uk/store.html
Message: Posted by: kimmo (Mar 27, 2016 06:25PM)
Thanks Quentin! Here is a video of my version. It's played more for laughs than magic, but hey - I'm a kidshow guy!

[youtube]p4fWW8m--8I[/youtube]
Message: Posted by: noland (Mar 28, 2016 09:00AM)
That was brilliant, Kimmo!
Message: Posted by: kimmo (Mar 28, 2016 11:06AM)
Thanks Noland!- I should have mentioned that my routine is in my 'InVENTive Magic' Lecture notes. Although, you can probably get it all from the video!
Message: Posted by: Jonty (Mar 31, 2016 05:25AM)
Great video Kimmo. Where did you buy your 'mouth microphone'?
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Mar 31, 2016 07:57AM)
KIMMO! That LOOKED great! (I'm having some sort of problem with the sound on my computer. I'll try to return and enjoy the SOUND, too!)
Message: Posted by: MrJay (May 4, 2018 11:15AM)
Kimmo N Jay Here saw your version of the Sympathetic silks and see you have it in one of your lecture notes, does it come with directions, I have never done anything like this before. Does it also come with directions in how to tie the knots? Does it have to be silks or will cotton work as well? Please get back to me via PM on facebook or email me njay254@aol.com
Message: Posted by: MrJay (May 4, 2018 11:25AM)
Jonty The Mic microphone is an Axtell product. I have one in my arsenal and it plays up as well as you can play it as a Vent.
Message: Posted by: TrickyRicky (Jun 2, 2018 06:21AM)
Kimmo is the master and I love his routine. Only he can do it that way.
There is a nice routine published in one of the Supreme Magicgram. It starts out with 3 little boys name Tom, Dick and Harry lived up the street not far from 3 little girls, that as far as I can remember.
I don't do the sympathetic silks in my performance. I may go back and review this one, I may've passed up a great routine. This is also a great pack small play big.
Ricky