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Topic: Coin Star - which trick is taking you forever?
Message: Posted by: Chris "linkster" Watson (Oct 11, 2007 02:21AM)
After many years on and off of trying to learn the 5 coin Downs Star, I finally (just the once!!) managed to do it last night. WOOHOO! It was far from perfect and will still need considerable work even to get near performance level. Just wondered what tricks you guys have been persevering with for years? Did they ever come off, or are they still...works in progress?

Good excuse to share my joy with everyone. :)
Message: Posted by: Kyf (Oct 11, 2007 02:38AM)
Hi Chris,

Congratulations, it's a great feeling to finally master something, eh!

The coin trick that I'm still trying to get the hang of is keeping money in my bank account.

With a wife and two children, I don't think this is a effect I'll ever really master.

Still, the rewards are more than enough compensation.

:cheers:

Kyf
Message: Posted by: Fingers (Oct 11, 2007 08:23AM)
I have been working on Bertini's 4 coin production for a long time, and I have a long time to go, Chris. I have done it, but not with any regularity. What is so painful is that he makes it look so easy.....

Good luck to you on that one, Kyf. It's a noble goal to reach. I wish you the best success at reaching that goal.....
Message: Posted by: John T Cox (Oct 11, 2007 08:43AM)
The Coin Star is darn near impossible for me. I keep blaming my short first and fourth fingers, but the coins just flop over as I roll them out. The other one that is so elusive to me is the coin roll. Rarely can I get it to go around more than once or twice.
Message: Posted by: todsky (Oct 11, 2007 10:36AM)
Chris, I hope you know that for the Coin Star, Downs used a slightly hollowed coin with wax inside to stick on the thumb.
As for me, I'm trying the muscle pass, but it pushes on the vein in my thumb base (gross!), so I'm trying to find an alternate position for it.
Message: Posted by: Johnny Butterfield (Oct 11, 2007 01:27PM)
Coin roll.

Hopefully, I can shave 15 to 20 seconds off with practice.
Message: Posted by: harris (Oct 11, 2007 02:29PM)
Moving stuff from my right hand to my left, such as the above mentioned 4 coin fan production (one at a time).

Some things were easier learned first with my non-dominant left hand. The coin roll was one of them.

My one handed version of a coin color change, based on Howard Schwarzman's two hand toss...(using Tenkai)...took years and is still not as close to 100% as I would like it to be.

I met him while in Boston '05. It is great putting live faces with names I have read in my coin youth.

Harris
"too old to know it all"
Deutsch
Message: Posted by: NicholasD (Oct 11, 2007 04:15PM)
I purchased Henry Hay's "Amateur Magician's Handbook" 35 years ago. Since I was new to magic, I was under the assumption that the moves, tricks, and sleights in the coin section were what all magicians were doing. So I dove in, learning the Coin Star, Downs' Eureka Pass, Edge Palm transfers, etc. Didn't find out until I began meeting other magicians that this was the "hard" stuff.
Message: Posted by: GeorgeSantos (Oct 11, 2007 09:19PM)
Some of the coin moves that I still struggle with are:

*One Handed Edge Grip Change. I've been practicing this ever since I had [i]Coins On Edge[/i] by Kainoa, and I still drop the coins at times.

*Dropping multiple coins from classic palm onto a close-up mat with equal spacing in a straight line. Ever since I saw Jay Sankey and David Stone do this, I practiced a lot in doing this. Still having a hard time.

*Heel Clip Steal with multiple coins (not soft coins). Gary Kurtz makes it look so easy. I need to find the right timing, like he does it.
Message: Posted by: Dredz (Oct 12, 2007 06:12AM)
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On 2007-10-11 11:36, todsky wrote:
Chris, I hope you know that for the Coin Star, Downs used a slightly hollowed coin with wax inside to stick on the thumb.......
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You don't need to use a sightly hollowed coin. I do a six coin Downs Star with silver dollars in both hands. It's amazing what you can do when you have no other hobbies.

I might post up the five coin if you all want to see it.

Or, just look at my DVD Xtreme Koin Magic. I teach how on there.
Joe Jesse
Message: Posted by: Chris "linkster" Watson (Oct 12, 2007 07:13AM)
For the Coin Star, I discovered how to from reading and meeting Bobby Bernard. He showed me the move with the first finger and thumb to get the coins to stick (naturally) to your fingers as you spread them....still difficult to do though, in my opinion. I'll keep practicing.

Intrigued about the 6 Coin Star...what is that?

Fingers - What is Bertini's 4 coin production, and where can it be found?

Sounds like a few gems coming out here.

For the coin roll, I really like using the UK 2 coin. In fact, it's really good for quite a number of things...slightly thicker than the US half dollar and a similar diameter, milled edges for good grip...perhaps the inventor was a coin magician!

Todski - Thanks, I did know about the wax. Why risk it when you don't have to? :)
By the way, with the muscle pass, I have it slightly further towards the wrist than classic palm, and it helps if instead of being flat on the palm, you have a 45 degree angle on the coin as it sits gripped in your hand [lower end gripped by the palm in line with the little finger (Pinky) and the higher side against the fleshy part of the thumb]. That, for me, is where the coin sits just prior to exerting the pressure to make it jump. Obviously you can show it flat on your palm, exert pressure on he coin to bring it to the 45 degree angle, and then pop it up into the waiting hand. Hope that makes sense/helps...best of luck with your endeavour.
Message: Posted by: Chad Barnard (Oct 12, 2007 07:32AM)
Bertini's 4 coin production can be found on his DVD, [i]Revolutionary Coin Technique[/i]. He's is doing some amazing stuff on there.
Message: Posted by: Gary Yin (Oct 12, 2007 09:30AM)
Santos, which Edge to Edge change are you having trouble with? Townsend's version or Kainoa's version? I'm doing good with JT's version, but the Kainoa version gives me cramps.

I'm struggling with Edge Grip Change (Kainoa) and left hand, 1 handed Steeplechase.
Message: Posted by: Wes65 (Oct 12, 2007 10:02AM)
Roll Down....managed to do it a few times. I seem to be stuck on getting three in place and almost getting the forth..... I'm not even going to think about a circle of five and dropping a sixth to the center.
Message: Posted by: Dredz (Oct 12, 2007 08:03PM)
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On 2007-10-12 08:13, Chris "linkster" Watson wrote:
For the Coin Star, I discovered how to from reading and meeting Bobby Bernard. He showed me the move with the first finger and thumb to get the coins to stick (naturally) to your fingers as you spread them....still difficult to do though, in my opinion. I'll keep practicing.

Intrigued about the 6 Coin Star...what is that?..............
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Here is a little video of me doing a Six Coin Downs Star. Let me know what you think.

[url=http://www.joejesse.com/videos/coin/6downsstar.mp4]6 Coin Downs Star - Quick Time[/url]

[url=http://www.joejesse.com/videos/coin/6downsstar.wmv]6 Coin Downs Star - Windows Media[/url]
Message: Posted by: Mb217 (Oct 12, 2007 10:01PM)
Hey Joe, good to hear from you hear man...:) Good stuff as usual my friend. ;)

-La Famiglia
Message: Posted by: Gary Yin (Oct 12, 2007 10:01PM)
Man, I hate you Joe. I can never do that. haha
Message: Posted by: Griff (Oct 12, 2007 11:02PM)
Great cops Joe! I can't do the Down's Star, but I can play Piano Man... The Down's Star is more difficult. Nice!
Griff
Message: Posted by: MickeyPainless (Oct 12, 2007 11:52PM)
VERY nice Joe!
Mick
Message: Posted by: GeorgeSantos (Oct 13, 2007 05:43AM)
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On 2007-10-12 10:30, Gary Yin wrote:
Santos, which Edge to Edge change are you having trouble with? Townsend's version or Kainoa's version? I'm doing good with JT's version, but the Kainoa version gives me cramps.

I'm struggling with Edge Grip Change (Kainoa) and left hand, 1 handed Steeplechase.
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Both versions. I can do Jonathan's Edge Grip Change. What I'm having problems with is consistency and smoothness,, ;)
Message: Posted by: todsky (Oct 13, 2007 10:58AM)
Chris, thanks for the muscle pass tips. I haven't given up yet!
Message: Posted by: Dredz (Oct 13, 2007 11:15AM)
:) THanks guys.
Message: Posted by: Chris "linkster" Watson (Oct 14, 2007 04:26PM)
6 coin star...Wow, not seen it done like that before...very cool
Message: Posted by: harris (Oct 23, 2007 09:52AM)
Love the flourish and the music.

With apologies to Billy and Vinnie...

It's 9 O'Clock on a Saturday
The regular magicians shuffle coins
There's an old man standing next to me
Sharing a crimp and a drink with thee.
Message: Posted by: patrick66 (Oct 23, 2007 01:05PM)
The coin roll on one hand with 4 coins, tought to me by Jeff himself :)

I can only do it on my right hand though.
Message: Posted by: Zhang (Oct 23, 2007 04:03PM)
WOW,

that is impresive and kool.

thanks.
Message: Posted by: Fingers (Oct 24, 2007 05:52AM)
Nice 6-Star Joe! You make it look easy man.....
Message: Posted by: Dynamike (Oct 24, 2007 09:09AM)
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On 2007-10-11 03:21, Chris "linkster" Watson wrote:
After many years on and off of trying to learn the 5 coin Downs Star, I finally (just the once!!) managed to do it last night. WOOHOO! It was far from perfect and will still need considerable work even to get near performance level.
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Do you Jeff McBride's DVD with coins, balls and thimbles volume 1? Have you tried regular and manipulation coins.