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Topic: How much is too much?
Message: Posted by: Big Daddy Cool (Oct 12, 2007 10:59AM)
How much publicity is too much? Can you have too much? Can you have too much celebrity in the press? Just curious about your thoughts.
Message: Posted by: Bill Nuvo (Oct 12, 2007 11:24AM)
Ask Brittany Spears.
Message: Posted by: mesmer (Oct 12, 2007 11:33AM)
Cant get enough of it....Good nes or Bad news....it is still a NEWS....
Message: Posted by: magicofCurtis (Oct 12, 2007 11:39AM)
When you think of a hot chick ---- you think of Paris Hilton
When you think of a female pop-singer ---- you think of Britney
When you think of a famous actor ----you think of Tom Cruise

When you think of a magician you think of ........ ???? If your name can't be filled in the blank then keep working on your PR... :) Now it is to take the PR and turn it into revenue...

Get my point guys?
Message: Posted by: Al Angello (Oct 12, 2007 01:50PM)
Too much is not possible, but too little is not good.
Message: Posted by: Big Daddy Cool (Oct 12, 2007 02:03PM)
What if your continual exposure in the press or on TV strains relationships with others who are not getting the same attention?
Message: Posted by: Al Angello (Oct 12, 2007 02:27PM)
You do not need to apologize for being the best, you should be proud of being the lead dog. My wife doesn't understand what drives me, but she knows it is not other women, and she is absolutely positive that if I was not performing I would be impossible to live with.
Message: Posted by: keithmagic (Oct 12, 2007 02:29PM)
Re: What if your continual exposure in the press or on TV strains relationships with others who are not getting the same attention?

Are you talking about colleagues or your personal life...
Message: Posted by: Bill Nuvo (Oct 12, 2007 02:31PM)
Jealousy happens. You can't control all the publicity you get. The best you can do with these other people is to be the gracious, kind person you are.
Message: Posted by: Al Angello (Oct 12, 2007 02:45PM)
I know lots of jugglers that are technically better than me, and can't figure out how I get all the work, because they do not understand the differance between talent, and skill. Every time I see them they all ask me the same question "how do you get so much work". They will always be technically better than me, and they will always work their day job absolutely clueless.
Message: Posted by: Big Daddy Cool (Oct 12, 2007 02:48PM)
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On 2007-10-12 15:29, keithmagic wrote:
Re: What if your continual exposure in the press or on TV strains relationships with others who are not getting the same attention?

Are you talking about colleagues or your personal life...
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Collegues/peers. Just curious if others have had this challenge. I call it the Blaine effect...
Message: Posted by: keithmagic (Oct 12, 2007 02:52PM)
BDC - WHO CARES?

Be what you can be and achieve all you can. If others cant cope, tough s&*t. They aren't true friends anyhow.

Now if it is your personal life... that's a WHOLE DIFFERENT SUBJECT, and I doubt anyone here is qualified to help you on that one.

Best of luck buddy!

Keith
Message: Posted by: Big Daddy Cool (Oct 12, 2007 02:57PM)
I'm just curious how others deal with this, if at all. I hate it that my friends and collegues can't celebrate my success with me. it makes me very sad, becuase I am a sharing dude.

BDC
Message: Posted by: Al Angello (Oct 12, 2007 02:59PM)
The best always stand out in the crowd. If others can't deal with your success then they were never your friends.
Message: Posted by: Bill Nuvo (Oct 12, 2007 04:26PM)
You can't escape what others will say about you behind your back. Don't fret over it. Again, be you gracious self and those who accept you will accept you. Other who won't, won't.
Message: Posted by: Donald Dunphy (Oct 12, 2007 07:23PM)
Hi BDC -

On another thread, you mentioned that you often have a lot of press coverage. And yet, your phone doesn't seem to be ringing with show inquiries.

Is that why you are asking these questions about too much press coverage / credits that are too "lofty"?

I'm not trying to hassle you. I just want to know how we can support you best.

- Donald
Message: Posted by: magicofCurtis (Oct 12, 2007 07:31PM)
Donald Dunphy said "On another thread, you mentioned that you often have a lot of press coverage. And yet, your phone doesn't seem to be ringing with show inquiries. "

The trick is to take the PR and turn it into revenue... :)

This is what I have done and has paid off big.... PVT me and I will give you a few thoughts what has worked for me...
Message: Posted by: Father Photius (Oct 12, 2007 08:51PM)
It has been said that the only bad publicity is no publicity. A huge part of showbusiness is keeping your name before the public. Same with advertising, it is all about product name identification. So if you get in the newspaper, on radio, and on TV every day more power to you.
Message: Posted by: magicofCurtis (Oct 12, 2007 09:02PM)
Photius, yes it is important to get pr and have ads... But one must turn those avenues into bookings...
One can increase there status to their client by creating that they are indemand or popular....
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Oct 12, 2007 10:30PM)
Some of the busiest guys I know have NEVER been in the press once.

As for friends not celebrating your success, my advice is to get better friends.

My level of success has NOTHING TO DO WITH HOW I FEEL ABOUT THEIRS! I meant to scream that. If I am successfull then they are happy. If they are successfull I am happy and one has nothing to do with the other.
Message: Posted by: joshlondon17 (Oct 12, 2007 11:17PM)
BDC,

For someone who has as many credits as you (wrote a theatrical business book, produce theater shows, self proclaimed expert in the theater world, etc.) you don't seem to know much about fairly obvious and simple questions.

Not really looking for a response here, just wanted to throw that out there.

Josh London
Message: Posted by: MichaelKent (Oct 13, 2007 07:29AM)
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On 2007-10-12 15:03, Big Daddy Cool wrote:
What if your continual exposure in the press or on TV strains relationships with others who are not getting the same attention?
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That's their problem. They should be happy for you.


[quote] Josh London wrote:
For someone who has as many credits as you (wrote a theatrical business book, produce theater shows, self proclaimed expert in the theater world, etc.) you don't seem to know much about fairly obvious and simple questions.

Not really looking for a response here, just wanted to throw that out there.[/quote]

BDC knows his stuff, and does well with it. The question he poses is more of a personal nature, as his last several on the Café have been. He's coming here looking for advice from friends on balancing personal relationships with business and doesn't deserve this type of response. I know you weren't "looking for a response here", but you deserved one.
Message: Posted by: joshlondon17 (Oct 13, 2007 08:07AM)
Obviously he doesn't know his "stuff" since he can't handle friends and a "career" as an entertainer.

Someone who has his stuff together has no problem with friends and family getting jealous.

The biggest problem I've had with an entertainment career is travelling and not being able to see my family and girlfriend, but that has been mostly a personal thing.

If you have friends that are jealous of success then you might want to rethink your relationships.

Josh London
Message: Posted by: magicofCurtis (Oct 13, 2007 11:17AM)
Danny wrote "Some of the busiest guys I know have NEVER been in the press once"

Yes, anyone can be busy, but at what level of success?
Message: Posted by: Big Daddy Cool (Oct 13, 2007 11:28AM)
Josh,

I challenge you to take over a year off from performing and then enter a whole new market, a market that you have never approached. I bet you'd have questions too. If you actuially read the questions I pose (you can read right?) you would have read that in the theater market - where I have focused for over 15 years, I was enormously successful. I never once sent any press materials to any corporate planners or individual businesses. I've never once advertised individual private shows. My model was and has been completely different, and If someone here wanted to know how to be successful with a theater tour, I am the expert. Period.

When I retired last year, I really did not think I would be performing again. But soon I will be able to do so soon, but my circumstances require that I look at new markets - markets that I am unfamiliar with. It takes a real man to admit his challenges and weaknesses. Only a phony like you pretends to know it all and be invulnerable.

The other questions I have posed are out of personal curiosity, not because I can't handle them. If you could actually interpret what you read, then you would have recognized that the questions were intended as conversation starters.

Go take a long walk off a short peir, charley.
Message: Posted by: keithmagic (Oct 13, 2007 01:41PM)
Curtis: Re
Yes, anyone can be busy, but at what level of success?

Well in this game, success appears to start about at being able to keep a roof over your head, food on your table, and not having to use the wifes credit and insurance because you HAVE to. lol.

That's actually a pretty silly statement, Curtis. I know a few guys with little to no press coverage making six figure incomes in our little world. It's not always about the papers my friend... It's about the checks...

BDC - Re: "Take a walk..." You tell 'em buddy.

Keith
Message: Posted by: magicofCurtis (Oct 13, 2007 02:55PM)
Keith,

I think you missed understood my question. I meant what level of success does one want to achieve...? Yes, a roof over your head is surviving, now one may want more than just a roof maybe a view, swimming pool, etc.

Also, it depends on the persons goals of what they want fame and fortune or just fortune. By ones personal choice it will reflect the path they will take if it should be media and marketing or just marketing for shows.... Which can pan out well either way

I am going for more of the media and marketing path and it has panned out wll so far for me.... I know this lady who is an excellent entertainer and she performs about 5- 8 shows a week working her tail off but she underprices herself and chooses to perform that many shows verses going after a higher market because she does not want to take the risk of not doing 20 shows a month.... That is why stated: Yes, anyone can be busy, but at what level of success?
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Oct 13, 2007 03:40PM)
Curtis anyone can get newspaper stories. BDC, that is not directed at you for any reason. You know I respect and try to help what it is you do.

As for Curtis, to make six figures with NO press coverage is falling off a log. Press coverage does not translate to money every time. The only paper that means anything is the bank statement.

All that is needed is an act good enough to be busy. I guess I misunderstood you as well Curtis.

Funny I know guys making mid six figure incomes and it is not enough for them. I know guys making less than 30 a year and could not be happier. Personally I would rather be the second guy.

I think this is the point Curtis was trying to make. At least I hope it was.
Message: Posted by: magicofCurtis (Oct 13, 2007 04:20PM)
Danny yes that is the point I wanted to make...

Also, Danny stated : "Press coverage does not translate to money every time. "

I agree, If you go back and reread what I wrote in the beggening of this topic I said: " The trick is to take the PR and turn it into revenue... "

One can use the press coverage to build thier image and help influrance thier client to choose them over some other act.... Make yourself a star or an upcoming star and they would desire you... But there are other ways to sell your act as well...

The key is repeat bookings or referals..... These are usually your largest priced shows... :) :)
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Oct 13, 2007 04:26PM)
Curtis I suspected that was what you were getting at, and before it got out of hand wanted to clarify if it was. Glad to hear it was right, we have enough petty squabbles going on around the Café' without another LOL!

I agree about coverage. Without the income to translate it to, if you ask me it does nothing but feed the ego. Which is fine, but tough to survive off of.
Message: Posted by: joshlondon17 (Oct 14, 2007 12:37AM)
BDC,

I guess I do have trouble reading since some other guys here have misunderstood your question/problem. Maybe too much training as a paramedic and firefighter and now pre-med.

Josh London

P.S. I have to disagree with you about you being the expert in theater shows. Why are you the expert? Because you wrote an ebook that sold a few dozen copies (if that)?

There are a ton of other people here that have done more theter work than you've done in your whole life.

And if you were so so good at it you wouldn't be pushing 35-40 years old asking, "How do I book corporate shows. I hit a stroke of bad luck." Instead you should be thinking about where to invest all the money you supposedly made as a highly sought-after theater performer.

Just my 2 cents.
Message: Posted by: Big Daddy Cool (Oct 14, 2007 01:19PM)
Josh,

I've defended you in the past, and offered you encouragement. I will not do so again, since you are obviously a jealous, hateful, spiteful person. Through this process I have seen many people show their face.

As for my theater experience, 20+ years averaging over 100k a year, in my own productions, directing and producing others, and in traditional book shows. I did not say I am THE expert, I said I am AN expert. Big difference.

AND IF YOU CAN READ, you would have read that all of this was a part of my own searching for direction as I prepare to re-enter performing after rehabbing from a near career ending injury. I hope you never face such a dilema. And you can see the result of that personal search in the post "Decisions, Directions, and Resolutions."

As for the book - charley, it ain't an e-book. It is a published work from the Leaping Lizards, The industry leader in Bizarre, storytelling and now theatrical magic books - available worldwide at any and all magic dealers. And it is getting great reviews. And selling.

Don't be a charley - oh, wait. Too late.
Message: Posted by: joshlondon17 (Oct 15, 2007 01:37AM)
Very good. You put me in my place! haha
Message: Posted by: Big Daddy Cool (Oct 15, 2007 08:53AM)
Yes I did. Thanks for being a big enough man to admit when you are wrong.
Message: Posted by: Christopher Starr (Oct 15, 2007 09:22AM)
I'd like to thank BDC for sharing his questions with us, and also thank those who have given useful, meanful advice. For me, this type of information sharing is what can potentially make the Café one of the most valuable resources available to anyone who sincerely wants to learn more about the successful promotion of thier act. I hope that you all will continue to share your wisdom and experience with us.

Chris
Message: Posted by: Big Daddy Cool (Oct 15, 2007 10:08AM)
Thanks Chris. It is hard to admit weaknesses in a public forum, and I am glad that there were several brothers willing to share constructive info and advice to help me find direction in both professional and personal areas.