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Topic: Walk-around Mental
Message: Posted by: flourish dude (Feb 18, 2003 08:29AM)
What is good for strolling mental effect. fast and easy.
Thanks
Message: Posted by: Necromancer (Feb 18, 2003 10:48AM)
I highly recommend you check out Mark Strivings' book, Mobile Mentalism, or his video WAM (Walk Around Mentalism) highlighting his favorites from that book.

Both resources contain nothing but the sort of material you're looking for, and include effects collected from such respected names in mentalism as Webster, Hilford, Urban, and Riggs.

The book is available from hocus-pocus.com; the video can be purchased from floraco.com.
Message: Posted by: Mr Amazing (Feb 18, 2003 08:19PM)
Flourish Dude, I recommend that you first look up on the differences between magic, mental magic and mentalism.
Message: Posted by: Mikael Eriksson (Feb 19, 2003 04:28AM)
[quote]
On 2003-02-18 21:19, matias wrote:
Flourish Dude, I recommend that you first look up on the differences between magic, mental magic and mentalism.
[/quote]

Matias, what makes you think he doesn't know the difference? Nothing he wrote contained any contradictions.

Mikael
Message: Posted by: Mr Amazing (Feb 19, 2003 08:43AM)
[quote]Matias, what makes you think he doesn't know the difference? Nothing he wrote contained any contradictions.[/quote]

The name "flourish dude", the icon and the other topics he has been active in. In addition, someone with a clear understanding of the difference between the areas would probably not have to ask the original question.

...or just call me psychic. ;)


Please, fourishdude, understand that it is a sincere suggestion, not an insult or so in any way.

I was too lazy to post it, but now Michael made me answer again, so here's a link to a perhaps little clearer explanation of what I'm getting at;

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=22305&forum=15&8&start=0#6


/Matias
Message: Posted by: John Clarkson (Feb 19, 2003 12:32PM)
Larry Becker's "Stunners! Plus" is subtitled "The Mental Magic of Larry Becker." Banachek mentioned in Magic Café when he was guest of honor, that he uses the word "magic" as one of many descriptors of his presentation. Anneman's Book is "Practical Mental Magic." Ted Lesley combines what most would describe as magic with what most would describe as mentalism in his act. I fully understand the distinction that [i]some[/i] in the field like to draw among magic, mental magic, and mentalism, but it is by no means a unanimous position. Some refer to it as mentalism, some as mental magic, some simply as "magic" and some, to my expressed chagrin, even refer to it as a religious experience.

I don't think you need to know, care about, or believe in, the difference in order to do an entertaining strolling routine. Neil's reference to Mark Strivings' work is a great place to start.

Good luck, and have fun!

:nose:
Message: Posted by: Lamberto (Feb 20, 2003 05:52PM)
Let's stay to the question.

When I perform mental "magic" it come's more to the patter. So if the lay-people are willing to listen, as is in Close-Up or parlor situations, the illusion can and will happen.

But for strolling I think it needs to be fast and sometimes without patter just because it's to noisy (or is this a magician thinking?).

What do you do in these cases?

When I started with mentalisme I was still booked to perform strolling and table hopping magic at partys, just because the agents knew me that way. Sometimes after the show people came to me just for a chat. So I knew these people were interested and then I started to do mental. And ... then they realy freaked out.
Message: Posted by: Cornelius (Feb 21, 2003 10:32AM)
To answer the first question, Psychokinetic Time is a great strolling effect. So is spoon bending and psychological forces.

From,
Cornelius.
Message: Posted by: ddyment (Feb 21, 2003 11:44AM)
My own (not surprisingly) favourite is [i]Flash Squared[/i], a repeatable version of the magic square that was specifically designed for walk-around performace. It has the nice side effect of leaving each participant with your business card, without the suggestion that you are "handing out cards".

... Doug
Message: Posted by: Necromancer (Feb 21, 2003 12:31PM)
Cornelius,

My apologies, but I really don't agree that PK Time, spoon bending, and psychological forces are appropriate for a magician who just wants something "fast and easy" for strolling. These all strike me as better suited to the needs and abilities of an experienced mentalist.

Once again, I strongly recommend the Strivings materials as a solid place to find strolling material suitable for a range of abilities, with a tip of the hat to Doug's shamelessly self-promotional recommendation (that reminds me -- I do need to get his booklet).
Message: Posted by: Cornelius (Feb 21, 2003 01:47PM)
Mr. Tobin,

I see your point. For a serious mental worker, PK time, psychological forces, etc would be of good value. Thank you. I do believe that these are of no value to a magician.

From,
Cornelius.
Message: Posted by: Scott Xavier (Feb 21, 2003 10:08PM)
I love spoon bending, and the publuic eats it up! I just came from watching my buddy perform magic at a nightclub out here. He had some good stuff, but everyone loves spoon bending, and throw 6-12 spoon in a fanney pack or pocket, and you can stroll ALL night, and the bent/twisted spoons make great souveniers....

The mental,
Message: Posted by: Winston Smith (Feb 22, 2003 07:06AM)
John,

Practical Mental Magic I believe was originally published as Practical Mental Effects - When printed by Dover it became Practical Mental Magic. Dover are known for their cheap mass-market publications so the decision was probably made on marketing grounds rather than any informed decision on its contents.

When mentalism isn't in vogue it is often similarly labelled as magic to appeal to a larger market.

I believe Ted Lesley performs magic and mentalism but keeps them separate, although Ted is free to correct me if I'm wrong as I have unfortunately not been able to make it to Germany to see him perform.

I would concede you do make a valid point though, that you don't *have* to be performing mentalism to do wonders with a mental edge to be entertaining. I don't believe, however, that Matias is saying its impossible to be entertaining performing magic or mental magic - only that presentationally is just aint mentalism. I would agree.

-- ws
Message: Posted by: flourish dude (Feb 22, 2003 09:06AM)
[quote]
On 2003-02-19 09:43, matias wrote:
[quote]Matias, what makes you think he doesn't know the difference? Nothing he wrote contained any contradictions.[/quote]

The name "flourish dude", the icon and the other topics he has been active in. In addition, someone with a clear understanding of the difference between the areas would probably not have to ask the original question.

...or just call me psychic. ;)


Please, fourishdude, understand that it is a sincere suggestion, not an insult or so in any way.

I was too lazy to post it, but now Michael made me answer again, so here's a link to a perhaps little clearer explanation of what I'm getting at;

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=22305&forum=15&8&start=0#6


/Matias
[/quote]

well lets see. my name is Bill. Flourish dude is just a "magic forum name" I like to do flourishs also, hince the name. Mainly I am a family entertainer. I work family restaurants and birthday partys. I was asked to work a bar type walk around gig. I also have 3 marti gras type events comming up. I have found that a lot of people ages 21-30ish like the Mental type magic. My stack deck and deep astonishment worked very well that night. So the qeustion came about looking for more of these type effects that I can do walk around for this group. For walk around I like my effects to be fast and easy. I guess I should of made that clear.
Bill AKA Flourish Dude!!
Message: Posted by: John Clarkson (Feb 22, 2003 09:16AM)
[quote]
On 2003-02-22 08:06, Winston Smith wrote:
John,

...
I would concede you do make a valid point though, that you don't *have* to be performing mentalism to do wonders with a mental edge to be entertaining. I don't believe, however, that Matias is saying its impossible to be entertaining performing magic or mental magic - only that presentationally is just aint mentalism. I would agree.

-- ws

[/quote]Winston,

Yep, my point is that, to help the original poster with his question, it really does not matter which label we use and that there is diversity of opinion concerning which label is appropriate. These niceties might be fun (and even useful) to discuss in other contexts, but aren't necessary to help the original poster find entertaining stolling material.

So far, I think the referral to Mark Strivings' is the most helpful. I've not seen [i]Flash Squared[/i] but my guess is that if Doug puts it out, it's worth learning. It occurs to me that a couple of the effects in The Osterlind Breakthrough System, especially "Cards to Pocket" could be done quickly and "on the run" with little or no modification. Go for it flourish dude!

:nose:
Message: Posted by: dpe666 (Feb 22, 2003 10:49PM)
Some of my favorite mental pieces I use in walk around are:

The Endless Chain (yes, it is a mental effect when I do it).

David's ESP Act (soon to be published)

B'Wave

Time Machine

Psychokentetic Time

Kollosal Killer


:devilish:
Message: Posted by: terrormagician (Feb 23, 2003 05:48PM)
My suggestions for walk around mentalism.

-Brainwave (which you can also use as a regular deck)

-Twisted Sisters

-Tumbling Timber

Justin :carrot: :pepper: :cucumber:
Message: Posted by: DaveS (Sep 12, 2003 04:36PM)
[quote]
On 2003-02-22 23:49, dpe666 wrote:
Some of my favorite mental pieces I use in walk around are:
The Endless Chain (yes, it is a mental effect when I do it).
David's ESP Act (soon to be published)
B'Wave
Time Machine
Psychokentetic Time
Kollosal Killer
:devilish:
[/quote]
Hi David,
Just wondering whether your ESP Act has been published and, if so, where is it available?
Thanks,
DaveS
Message: Posted by: dpe666 (Sep 12, 2003 05:13PM)
My ESP Act will be published in two places. It will be found in my new book, Maximum Mind Control, and it will be on my DVD, Fundamentalism. :devilish:
Message: Posted by: John Macmillan (Sep 12, 2003 05:44PM)
[quote]
On 2003-09-12 18:13, dpe666 wrote:
My ESP Act will be published in two places. It will be found in my new book, Maximum Mind Control, and it will be on my DVD, Fundamentalism. :devilish:
[/quote]

When,where, and how much please?
Message: Posted by: dpe666 (Sep 12, 2003 07:24PM)
The book will be ready in about 2 weeks and it is $40. The DVD is when ever Chris Smith (The Magicsmith) gets it done, and I am not sure on the price. :devilish:
Message: Posted by: Scott Xavier (Sep 12, 2003 08:47PM)
Lucky loop/endless loop is a killer!
Message: Posted by: wildthought (Sep 13, 2003 08:39AM)
I know that: Mark Strivings' Walk Around Mentalism is an awefull video, stay away from it.

WT
Message: Posted by: Gregory57 (Sep 13, 2003 08:12PM)
Dpe666

Can your book be purchased directly from you or through a specific dealer?
Message: Posted by: dpe666 (Sep 14, 2003 12:10AM)
The main supplier will be Brad Burt's Magic Shop. :devilish:
Message: Posted by: Nicodemus (Sep 15, 2003 04:44AM)
Dpe666 - How in the world do you convert Endless Chain to mentalism ?! Can you share a bit more because I love the endless chain / fast & loose stuff but cannot find a way to use in walk around.
Any tips you can spare are really appreciated, PM me if need be.

Thanks, - Nicodemus
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Message: Posted by: dpe666 (Sep 15, 2003 10:34PM)
When I do the endless chain, I do it under the pretense that I can use psychology to influence the spectators into making the right or wrong choices. :devilish:
Message: Posted by: Scott Xavier (Sep 15, 2003 11:21PM)
Same here...
Message: Posted by: Nicodemus (Sep 16, 2003 03:32AM)
Thanks Dpe666,
I thought maybe it was like Mark Strivngs 50-50-50 where the guest is always
" intuitively" right in their choice.
Message: Posted by: dpe666 (Sep 16, 2003 11:36AM)
[quote]
On 2003-09-16 04:32, Nicodemus wrote:
...the guest is always
" intuitively" right in their choice.
[/quote]

Now what fun would THAT be? :devilish:
Message: Posted by: Greg Owen (Sep 17, 2003 09:14AM)
A si Stebbins deck can be used for many walk-around mental effects. And magic as well, so if you're doing both the deck serves both.

Magic Square. OK - not exactly mentalism (but can be if you have them write down a number unknown to you and the square totals their number). Also good on business cards they can keep as good luck talismans.

Numerology-based effects. Use their birthdate - makes it personal. Can be done on back of business card or napkin (watch out for wet napkins though).

Metal bending. OK - not clearly mentalism, but leans towards the paranormal if you get my drift.

Brainwave/Invisible Deck - easily presented as mentalism.

Just a few ideas to get you started.

- Greg Owen