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Topic: Worst Trick You Have Purchased
Message: Posted by: gandolf (Feb 19, 2003 06:52PM)
Being new to the Magic Café, I apologize if this has been asked before (I did a search, and did not find anything).

In all your years of performing magic, what is the absolute worst illusion you have purchased? I mean all time stink-o, cheap,
misrepresented, terrible trick.

Hope it's not one I think is great! :rotf:
Message: Posted by: Ian_B (Feb 19, 2003 06:59PM)
Hmmm... I think most people would say Braco's Floating Ball or any of Expertmagic.com's products.
Message: Posted by: RandyM (Feb 19, 2003 07:02PM)
Yup! Expert Magic is terrible. I got Coin Matrix 2003...what a joke. Keep far away from these rip off artists! They are the reason a lot of us are hesitant with purchasing things via the internet.
Message: Posted by: shomemagic (Feb 19, 2003 07:57PM)
Probably the next one!
Message: Posted by: Bernard Sim (Feb 19, 2003 09:54PM)
There is a similar thread in the archive.
Message: Posted by: guccimagic (Feb 19, 2003 10:04PM)
I have to agree. I have been burned by Expertmagic.

I will have to put some major consideration on what would be worst trick ever. The problem is the hype. You get so hyped up for a trick and then you get it and think, "I can't believe I just spent that much money on this!!" :pout: Just a few that come to mind are: Smash Repair, Ultra Smoke 2000, Totally Warped video.
Message: Posted by: Doomo (Feb 19, 2003 10:16PM)
I swear swear swear I didn't buy it. It was given to me... Switch-a-Roo...it was a piece o' junk. A piece of PVC piping and some fishing line. Gah!

My wife found it in the basement and asked if she could throw it out. I said yes.

Mirage wallet. Total garabage. Cheap cheap cheap. Badly made, over-priced junk. If my wife asks, I didn't pay for that either!

I usually stick to the basics like shells, gaffed cards and the occasional TT. Hard to get burned with those, unless you are talking about coins by Sasco. More junk.

Now videos and books, boy could I tell you about some dogs.
Message: Posted by: Jon Gallagher (Feb 19, 2003 10:21PM)
The absolute worst effect I ever bought was off eBay. The seller had a good rating, but the effect was just downright awful. Add that to the fact that the shipping charges were extremely high and you've got my candidate for worst trick.

It was an appearing vase of flowers. There was no photograph which should have been my first tip off. It was just a drawing of a magician pulling this vase of flowers from underneath a cloth.

From a stage, it might look like you'd just produced a vase of flowers, but from anything less than 40 feet, it looked like you produced a half a vase with some flowers in serious need of a green thumb. Oh yeah... anyone sitting slightly off dead center was also going to know exactly what it was.

My final tip off was the fact that I emailed the seller and asked if I could pick it up personally (since she lived within 50 miles of me). Absolutely not. Of course, that meant she wouldn't be able to make a few extra bucks for the shipping.

Now whenever I see her listings on eBay, I don't care how cheap something is.... I run the other way.
Message: Posted by: WilliamWHolcomb (Feb 19, 2003 10:28PM)
I'll vote for Coin Matrix 2003! What was I thinking???
Message: Posted by: debaser (Feb 19, 2003 10:40PM)
I don't think I bought anything that was specifically horrific. But working in a magic shop I saw some of the worst magic ever.

So I'm sitting here thinking and I've blocked so much of it out my mind but:

anything with
spackle paint,
dragons,
mylar,
etc...
Message: Posted by: magichoka (Feb 20, 2003 02:00AM)
I also vote for Coin Matrix 2003!
I was totally let down when I got it !!!!!!!!!!!
Message: Posted by: jimesw (Feb 20, 2003 04:03AM)
Penomenon :mad: :dizzy: :stare: :angry: :( :cry: :bawl: :bawl:
Message: Posted by: XenoMagic (Feb 20, 2003 07:11AM)
Whirlwind Floating Quarter... simply because the advertised description touted [b]"no m****** or t******"[/b]. I thought this an incredible feat after reading what the effect was, so I purchased it.

What did I get? A bit of t****d and a page of instructions detailing some rather basic t****d work. ARGH!

Leo Martin
Message: Posted by: Larry Barnowsky (Feb 20, 2003 09:41AM)
An effect called The Creeps by Ben Harris. You get a matchbox and a rubberband. Worthless and I'm embarrassed I bought it.
Message: Posted by: vinsmagic (Feb 20, 2003 09:48AM)
Reality Twister. This effect received so much hype for an optical illusion.

vinny
Message: Posted by: Necromancer (Feb 20, 2003 10:29AM)
Just about everything I bought under the age of 20.
Message: Posted by: daniel1113 (Feb 20, 2003 10:39AM)
Coin Matrix 2003 is definitely the worst effect I have ever purchased. However, Melt and the Ellusionist videos are also pretty bad...
Message: Posted by: RandomEffects (Feb 20, 2003 10:52AM)
"Bartenders Dream." I got this garbage off of E-bay. If you see it, it is not even worth the 15 bucks I paid for it. It is not worth the S&H. You could not pay me to use this trick!!!

Mat
Message: Posted by: jkvand (Feb 20, 2003 10:58AM)
I didn't buy this one, but a buddy of mine did. It's called BarCode and it was the biggest waste of $10 that either of us had ever seen.
Message: Posted by: Bill Beach (Feb 20, 2003 02:24PM)
It's Coin Matix 2003 for me, too. Sounds like I'm not the only one who wasted money on this, though.

Bill Beach
Message: Posted by: FTAMagician (Feb 20, 2003 02:35PM)
I'm gonna HAVE to see if I can find Expertmagic's website (do they have one?) just to see what they have!

Anyway, I have a room full of magic I've bought that I don't use (well..it IS a small room but still....)! I'm going to have to set up a table on the side street at Colon some year and see how much of it I can sell. Not all of it too bad, most just not what I thought it was when I ordered it. (We ALL know how that is, huh?)
Message: Posted by: thehawk (Feb 20, 2003 02:37PM)
Switcharoo and Matrix 2003 would definitely be in the top ten.
Message: Posted by: debaser (Feb 20, 2003 06:08PM)
So I watched the clip for Matrix 3000 last night and it looks good. I can see how someone might buy it after seeing the video.

However, I take it that if you saw it in person you would just laugh.

I have a couple of guesses on how it was done, but one in particular. If I'm right, I'm sorry for those of you who bought it.

Matt
Message: Posted by: miracle (Feb 20, 2003 06:42PM)
I'd say Coin Matrix 2003 and Ninja 1 & 2 !
Message: Posted by: marko (Feb 20, 2003 08:11PM)
Steve Fearson' "Insertion". Steve is a great guy and I thought the ad looked good. A cardbox visually penetrates a selected card. "Awesome," I thought, "this is what my audience wants, to see my spectacular cardboard penetration abilities!" Unfortunately, the angles are as bad as you can get, the props are unuseable, and the penetration is less than convincing due to the flimsy nature of cards. It was a joke. The joke was on me.
Message: Posted by: Terry (Feb 20, 2003 08:27PM)
How about this:
Rattle Bars from Daytona for $75.-- what a rip!

Completely Cold - I guess I didn't understand it - a rip.

The Envelope Please - the instruction start with "To do the effect you need a confederate..." a real rip!

Predict the Square Circle - a kiddie rip!

Color Monte - a flaming rip!

Kennedy's Sonic Silver - mostly a rip!
Message: Posted by: daniel1113 (Feb 20, 2003 10:13PM)
I don't know... Color Monte is probably my favorite packet trick, and one of my favorite effects overall. It's clean and amazing.
Message: Posted by: MichalMystic (Feb 20, 2003 10:16PM)
Sorry to hear you all don't like our effects.
Calling us rip off artisit is just sad and if you have seen any reviews of our effects, they get bad and good.
Real Floating card has gotten nothing but great reviews.

But we learn from things like this as we're a new company and you can always email support@expertmagic.com
Message: Posted by: EvanAndrews (Feb 20, 2003 10:23PM)
I was just curious, do you guys come up with anything that hasn't been done before? It seems to me like this Real Floating Card is just a thread hookup. And you have to remember, your reviews are coming from 12 year old kids who think they are magicians and want to do magic and be like David Blaine (gimmick freaks). How reliable are they?
Message: Posted by: Dave Egleston (Feb 20, 2003 11:27PM)
There was a trick called "THIMK" I never showed anyone after I bought it. I was that ashamed. I think it was a Dan Harlan invention.

I think I was the only person who ever bought one!!!

Dave
Message: Posted by: EvanAndrews (Feb 21, 2003 12:01AM)
What is the effect?
Message: Posted by: gtxby33 (Feb 21, 2003 12:16AM)
Well, I can't wait to get bombed for this! Healed and Sealed... I'm not saying it is bad, it is just the worst trick I have ever bought and I don't buy a lot of items other than books and cards. For you people who are thinking of buying it: Don't be let down by this post. It is just my opinion and my opinions are usually very strict. Like the set-up, it only takes 1 minute but for me that is a long time.

-Max
Message: Posted by: pyro (Feb 21, 2003 01:02AM)
I think Easy Float and Matrix 2003 are pathetic tricks.
Message: Posted by: Andrew Wong (Feb 21, 2003 03:04AM)
Shameless Open Prediction 2 is the worst item I ever bought!!
Message: Posted by: joseph (Feb 21, 2003 06:49AM)
I bought an item called UFO, which is a floating straight pin. Unfortunately, the spectators have to be about a foot away in order to see the pin, and it was an awful set up. The gimmick can be used for other effects far better than what they use it for. :mad:
Message: Posted by: dillib (Feb 21, 2003 07:08AM)
Anyone for the Svengali Deck?
Message: Posted by: Jim Tighe (Feb 21, 2003 07:14AM)
Marked Prediction by Rich Marotta is extremely weak IMO. And for all the hype it got initially I would also say the Ariston Rising Cards is very disappointing.
Message: Posted by: SVG84R (Feb 21, 2003 09:25AM)
Yeah, Healed and Sealed.
I have problems with that too. It's hard to set it up in 5 minutes, but it's not a bad trick.
Maybe it's just me.
Message: Posted by: KC (Feb 21, 2003 09:39AM)
[quote]
On 2003-02-21 08:08, cheezycool wrote:
Anyone for the Svengali Deck?
[/quote]

Cheezycool,

The Svengali is a great trick. Unfortunately, it has been pimped out to the masses at every magic shop as well as on TV. But if you routine it properly, you can easily fool your friends in the local magic club with the Svengali deck.

KC
Message: Posted by: iSawThat (Feb 21, 2003 09:39AM)
Bob Hummer's Whirling Card is a bit on the bad side, as is Sam Woodrow's Heavy Metal and Out of Control. I'm a Sankey fan, and when he advertised these on his website and endorsed them I thought they might be good. But I've come to learn slowly that Sankey's gimmicked effects aren't really up to standard, and his videos and books are a much better gauge of this guy's creativity.
Message: Posted by: Ian_B (Feb 21, 2003 09:55AM)
[quote]
On 2003-02-21 08:08, cheezycool wrote:
Anyone for the Svengali Deck?
[/quote]

I use my Svengali Deck for forcing everytime. It's very useful for tricks like Card Thru Window, Card Across, etc...
Message: Posted by: Euan (Feb 21, 2003 10:56AM)
[quote]
On 2003-02-21 10:39, iSawThat wrote:
Bob Hummer's Whirling Card is a bit on the bad side[/quote]

That's because it's [b]not[/b] Bob Hummers whirling card. The method Bob used used to kill people.

Euan
Message: Posted by: gtxby33 (Feb 21, 2003 03:14PM)
[quote]
On 2003-02-21 10:25, SVG84R wrote:
Yeah, Healed and Sealed.
I have problems with that too. It's hard to set it up in 5 min, but it's not a bad trick.
Maybe it's just me.
[/quote]

Lol, I don't know what you're doing, but I can and have set it up in 1 minute flat (not the soda, pun not intended). I just don't like set-up much...

-Max
Message: Posted by: gandolf (Feb 21, 2003 03:47PM)
I am enjoying these posts! I was considering Coin Matrix, but based on everyone's response, will be looking at other illusions.
Message: Posted by: Schaden (Feb 21, 2003 03:58PM)
Well, there are amazing versions of Matrix but 2003 just blows. Anything Ben Harris sells is horrible. Steve Fearson has released anything good on his site. I would have to include 'The Raven.' It's just horrible and you can't really use it for much. There was this one thing I bought with poker chips that turn different colours. Wow, it was painfully bad. I ended up giving it to some 5 year old. I might also get slammed for this, but Thought Transmitter. I perform in darker conditions and I had to look at the case for a couple seconds if the room was too light.

Lee
Message: Posted by: Sean Fields (Feb 21, 2003 04:34PM)
The worst thing I have purchased? Wow, that is a tough one. I usually learn material from books, and as some of you know, I create quite a few effects, but I do like to purchase the 'latest & greatest' stuff when it comes out. There have been many times that I have felt 'burned'.

Werry's Transformer is AWFUL! The ad reads completely different than how it is actually utilized. It is essentially an unworkable gimmick that is almost identical to Incredi-Go, which was a unique gimmick at the time it was released.

Some of Jay Sankey's recent releases have been less than stellar as well. I don't buy any Sankey stuff because the majority of it can be found in his earlier books, but I broke down and bought Public Transit. This was simply garbage. An over complicated, less visual moving hole effect.

Those are two of the more recent purchases, but if I think of anymore, believe me, I will let you all know.

Later,

Sean
Message: Posted by: HiveMind (Feb 21, 2003 04:53PM)
Real Floating Card for $17. It is worth
maybe $5, but really should have been
submitted to a magazine rather than sold.

Well, I know not to buy anything from THAT company again.
Message: Posted by: 1908 (Feb 21, 2003 06:02PM)
UFO
Braco's floating ball
mental monte
psycho ball
...and the list goes on. :)

I wasted a lot of money to understand that the best investment is to purchase books and videotapes/DVDs. Stop buying anything you read and think it's a miracle. Probably it will not work or it's a dressed up old idea.
Message: Posted by: EvanAndrews (Feb 21, 2003 06:08PM)
[quote]
On 2003-02-21 08:08, cheezycool wrote:
Anyone for the Svengali Deck?
[/quote]

I would have to agree with you on this one, I hate the Svengali deck!

Three more to add. I really don't like these, guys: Lethal Tender, Scotch and Soda, and the RAVEN!!!!
Message: Posted by: dpe666 (Feb 21, 2003 06:20PM)
[quote]
On 2003-02-21 19:08, EvanAndrews wrote:
[quote]
On 2003-02-21 08:08, cheezycool wrote:
Anyone for the Svengali Deck?
[/quote]

I would have to agree with you on this one, I hate the Svengali deck!
[/quote]
You guys are INSANE! The Svengali deck, in the right hands, can create miracles! One of the strongest effects that I do, which FRIES magicians, uses nothing more than a Svengali deck, and a lot of presentation.

As far as the worst trick I have ever seen, my vote would go to Mind Bender. It is a TERRIBLE bending spoon. :devilish:
Message: Posted by: ThorstenHappel (Feb 21, 2003 08:01PM)
I bought one of the first copies of "Cosmosis" (Ben Harris) back in the mid-80's. So much hype - you had to sign a special secrecy agreement and it was about $50. Boy was I disappointed when I got it. It went right to ... where did I put it? I can't remember. Never showed it. Never saw it performed. Anyone out there who wasted money on that when it came out?
Message: Posted by: Dr. Jakks (Feb 21, 2003 09:25PM)
Well, I love the effect, maybe I am just weird like the others, but I have problems with Healed and Sealed. I never found a good BA and performed it about 4 times.

I really didn't like Paul Harris' Cardian Angel as much as I thought I would.

Reality Twister is GREAT. Vinny, you're great, but I just don't see where you are coming from. My first perfomance resulted in the girl grabbing the pen and yelling, "It's really twisted!!!!" then kissing me. Very good trick :lol:.

Jakks
Message: Posted by: Marvelous (Feb 21, 2003 09:27PM)
I wasn't going to do this, as I know I will probably get a lot of heat for this, but here goes, Celebrity Autographs ties Braco's Floating Ball as the worst trick ever! I know some people love this, but I love Healed and Sealed Soda and I was surprised to see that one on here. As to Cosmosis, I think at the time of its release that $50.00 was a fair price. You can buy them for $8.00 now at the MagicWarehouse.
Message: Posted by: magicman2000 (Feb 21, 2003 09:28PM)
My vote goes to "Killer Redcaps". I had trouble trying to give them away as nobody wanted them for free.
Message: Posted by: cardguy (Feb 21, 2003 09:34PM)
[quote]
On 2003-02-21 21:01, ThorstenHappel wrote:
I bought one of the first copies of "Cosmosis" (Ben Harris) back in the mid-80's. So much hype - you had to sign a special secrecy agreement and it was about $50. Boy was I disappointed when I got it. It went right to ... where did I put it? I can't remember. Never showed it. Never saw it performed. Anyone out there who wasted money on that when it came out?
[/quote]

I love Cosmosis. I think it's brilliant. I was floored by it, and when I bought it I floored many other people with it. It's also the most ripped off effect in magic. How many times do you see those cheap "Floating Match" tricks in magic shops? Not only are they inferior, but they never give credit to Ben Harris, who came up with the original Cosmosis.
Message: Posted by: Logan (Feb 21, 2003 11:55PM)
I initially found [i]Cosmosis[/i] easy to figure out. When shown one of the more inferior versions, I found my assumption was correct.
Message: Posted by: idreamz (Feb 22, 2003 01:45AM)
[quote]
On 2003-02-21 21:01, ThorstenHappel wrote:
I bought one of the first copies of "Cosmosis" (Ben Harris) back in the mid-80's. So much hype - you had to sign a special secrecy agreement and it was about $50. Boy was I disappointed when I got it. It went right to ... where did I put it? I can't remember. Never showed it. Never saw it performed. Anyone out there who wasted money on that when it came out?
[/quote]

Actually, I bought [i]Floating Match[/i] before I knew about [i]Cosmosis[/i] (darn.. where can I get cosmosis? Can't find it anywhere around) And It's one of the most ripped off.

However, I did freak out many people when I made their pencaps and rolled up bills float. I think it's a nice trick :lol:
Message: Posted by: Terry (Feb 22, 2003 09:02AM)
Jakks,

She probably wanted to kiss you anyway!
I find [i]Reality Twister[/i] is a bit on the Tenyo side.

If she was floored by the effect, you should ask her out!

T

:rotf:
Message: Posted by: ThorstenHappel (Feb 22, 2003 10:45AM)
[quote]
On 2003-02-21 22:34, cardguy wrote:
[quote]
[/quote]

I love [i]Cosmosis[/i]. I think it's brilliant. I was floored by it, and when I bought it I floored many other people with it. It's also the most ripped off effect in magic. How many times do you see those cheap "Floating Match" tricks in magic shops? Not only are they inferior, but they never give credit to Ben Harris, who came up with the original [i]Cosmosis[/i].
[/quote]

Thanks for your opinion, cardguy. I agree that [/i]Cosmosis[/i] might be "better" than the rip-offs. And as I said, I never saw it performed. I like the idea of seeing it performed for non-magicians and see them amazed. It seems to be a case of "There are no bad tricks, just bad magicians." But I still think the idea is not worth $50.

By the way, I really like Ben Harris' books. And his newsletter layout in the mid-80's, long time before Quark Express and InDesign, was awesome.
Message: Posted by: redstreak (Feb 22, 2003 10:50AM)
[quote]
On 2003-02-21 16:58, pyro_magic wrote:
I would have to include 'The Raven.' It's just horrible and you can't really use it for much.
[/quote]
I can't believe this! The Raven is my favorite trick of all time. You can use it for tons of things: change coins into cards, change coins into other coins, make coins disappear, make coins reappear, all of this on a spectator's hand! I just can't believe you are saying that. Maybe you should get it out and play with it again. It takes some practice to do it well. Just do it, you will love it.
Message: Posted by: EvanAndrews (Feb 22, 2003 11:02AM)
LOL!!! The thing about the Raven is, IMO, it is overpriced. You can vanish a coin with an easier way, it has bad angles, and it is impractical because it takes so much set up time that if you were doing a gig (walkaround maybe...) and it broke, that would be the end of that for the rest of your time there. How would it look if you took a 20 minute break to readjust the thing and replace the broken part (if you can!)?
Message: Posted by: HuronLow (Feb 22, 2003 11:27AM)
'it takes so much set up time that if you were doing a gig (walkaround maybe...) and it broke... '

This applies to almost all gaffs then. Most gaffs will break someday and there's no telling when. To each his own. :) However, you're right about it being overpriced. It sits in my drawer.
Message: Posted by: marko (Feb 22, 2003 12:24PM)
[quote]
IMO, it is overpriced, you can vanish a coin with an easier way
[/quote]

Really? You know an easier way to vanish a coin from a spectator's hand WITHOUT touching it? I'd like to see that. I haven't used my Raven in years but I fondly recall the amazing reactions I received with it. Remember, you're not just vanishing a coin. You're making it disappear under impossible conditions. And that's only one thing you can do with it.
Message: Posted by: michael640 (Feb 22, 2003 12:51PM)
evanandrews, are you sure you actually have a Raven and not a knock-off version? I really cannot believe some of the things you've said about it!

"It has bad angles" ???? Excuse me, what planet are you from? It's only got bad angles if you regularly perform for dwarves or children! And in these scenarios you could just bend down and cut out the angle problem altogether!

"You can vanish a coin an easier way." True, but there are very few ways that vanish a coin cleaner then the Raven does!

"It's overpriced" ?? What? 25 English pounds? No, no, no, the Imakulate Ring (junk) Flite is over priced! Ray Kosby's (impossibly boring!) Card Magic is over priced!
Message: Posted by: 1908 (Feb 22, 2003 01:32PM)
Ok, as you see everyone has his own favourites and different opinions for the same effects. I also read very bad comments about some of my favourite effects from others but for me they are still my favourites.

Personally, I prefer to perform something which is impromptu or takes little time to set-up (almost impromptu. If there is something which I can do anytime with just my two hands, then it becomes a favourite for me. That's why I prefer books and videotapes/DVDs with sleights over spending money to take something that needs set-up and does not leave me clean.

I like to feel free without carrying gimmicks, body loads or anything like this. Of course if I perform a stage-manipulative act, then I agree that all the above is wrong. It depends on what kind of magic you perform. Even in mental magic I don't prefer boards, special props, etc. I prefer to use simple props.
Message: Posted by: Bill (Feb 22, 2003 01:41PM)
My vote is Psychokinetic Pen. What a piece of junk! You put it on the edge of something and you wait...and you wait...and you wait...then Plop. It falls off. I used it as a regular pen (so I'd at least get some value out of it) then threw it away. :evil:
Message: Posted by: jlibby (Feb 22, 2003 04:00PM)
[quote]
On 2003-02-21 19:20, dpe666 wrote:
[quote]
You guys are INSANE! The Svengali deck, in the right hands, can create miracles! One of the strongest effects that I do, which FRIES magicians, uses nothing more than a Svengali deck, and a lot of presentation.

[/quote]

Hear, hear! As over exposed as it is, you can fry people with a Svengali deck if it's handled properly.
Message: Posted by: Schaden (Feb 22, 2003 04:56PM)
[quote]
On 2003-02-22 13:51, Michael640 wrote:
Ray Kosby's (impossibly boring!) Card Magic is over priced!
[/quote]

I love Ray's video and I still think the Raven is a piece of junk. Where is the first place a spectator checks when you vanish a coin? Yeah, right. In your sleeve. For some reason everyone in my city saw Street Magic Exposed.

As far as the Svengali Deck goes, I love it for the reactions you can get from it. When I was starting magic, the guy at the magic shop fooled me tons of times with it.

I was just thinking there was a trick sort of like Cosmosis but it was like a pencil that floated above a piece of paper. It looked really good. I would have gotten it if I found a use for it. :confused:

Lee
Message: Posted by: cransom (Feb 22, 2003 05:20PM)
Let's all remember that not all magic effects are made for the consummate professional. The guys at Expert Magic are just practicing plain old capitalism and making a buck. The average Joe is perfectly thrilled with most magic effects and we are probably the most critical of critics.

Think about Bill Gates and Windows software. It is full of bugs, crashes, and is generally accepted as a relatively poor product. It just so happens that he can market the product and create a huge mass appeal. We are the minority guys, not the general public. I for one, will support anyone who has the chutzpah to get their idea out there and be successful.

These are the people who keep us in business.
:rainbow:
Message: Posted by: HuronLow (Feb 22, 2003 10:06PM)
Hey, you can do the Raven in short sleeves! =p
Message: Posted by: michael640 (Feb 23, 2003 12:17AM)
Actually cransom, we are the general public because we magicians buy the effects! We create the market! Yeah, a few laymen buy tricks now and then but they make up only about 5 percent of the total market for magic tricks!

I believe if you are marketing an effect you have a moral duty to put out something that you really believe is worthwhile and positive to the magic community! Otherwise you get a reputation like Expertmagic seems to have!

I personally HATE completely misleading advertising of magic tricks!
Message: Posted by: marko (Feb 23, 2003 12:18AM)
Yeah, I never did The Raven with long sleeves (used the alternate hook-up). I always rolled my jacket sleeves up first. Seemed to add a level of mystery and impossibility to it.
Message: Posted by: RandomEffects (Feb 23, 2003 12:29AM)
MY 2 cents:

Raven - great trick and it will always have a place in my junk drawer because the reset just take too long for me. Other than that, it is great.

Color Monte - Still one of the best packet tricks I have ever seen and do!

Color poker chips - Fun and visual but too long for reset and storage.

So having said all these good things, I should get back to the point of this thread.

WORST TRICK EVER:

I cannot even remember the name of it. It may have been "'Dime'and Ring."

This thing was so bad that we couldn't give it away from the magic store I worked at. The nickel looked so bad and you had to hold it in such an awkward position.

You were supposed to talk about how you put a nickel into one of those vending machines and you got a ring out of it. I can feel my eyes beginning to bleed just thinking about it. Oh man, the pain of this horrid trick.

Mat
Message: Posted by: Chris A. (Feb 23, 2003 12:50AM)
[quote]
On 2003-02-22 11:45, ThorstenHappel wrote:

Thanks for your opinion, cardguy. I agree that Cosmosis might be "better" than the rip-offs.[/quote]There is no "might" about it. Unless you've used the orginal version, you shouldn't be judging it by the incredibly inferior knockoffs.

[quote]And as I said, I never saw it performed.[/quote]Which is another reason you can't logically judge it.

[quote] But I still think the idea is not worth $50.[/quote]These days you can buy Cosmosis new and complete for around $12. It hasn't been $50 since its initial release.

With Cosmosis, you can have the card signed and give the card away after you're finished.

Also, you can hand the card to someone with little or no fear that the gaff will be uncovered.

These are not features of the cheap knockoffs.
Message: Posted by: EvanAndrews (Feb 23, 2003 01:27AM)
I agree ith pyro_magic. The Raven is a piece of junk and Ray's video is very good...and I don't like cards much so....lol!
Message: Posted by: Turk (Feb 23, 2003 02:33AM)
Ball Vase (IMHO opinion this #1 dumb trick)
Spikes thru Quarter (A close second)
Silver Sanctum
UPC**
Karate Coin
Anything where the effect is mis-described,
over-priced, poorly made or a rip-off (such as you are paying for a piece of string and fishing line and a secret that is in any kid's magic book). We all have many examples of these items.

Finally, what I really hate is buying something that has been ripped-off from another magician and when I get the ripped-off version, I realize that I have the original and that the ripped-off is, at best, a slight handling modification.

Turk (:o(

** NOTE: this UPC is NOT Richard Busch's Ultimate Peek Case; it is a dumb "UPC" code card (like on groceries) that, when view at an acute angle, reveals the name of a forced card.
Message: Posted by: ThorstenHappel (Feb 23, 2003 12:23PM)
Flip, thanks for your feedback.

On 2003-02-23 01:50, Flip wrote:

[quote]And as I said, I never saw it performed...Which is another reason you can't logically judge it.
[/quote]

Sorry, Flip, but I think I have enough experience to judge without ever performing it.

[quote] These days you can buy Cosmosis new and complete for around $12. It hasn't been $50 since its initial release.
[/quote]

You might be able to get it for $12 today, but I paid $50. And the price was part of my disappointment. If I had spend only $12 it would have been different. $50 was way to much.

[quote] With Cosmosis, you can have the card signed and give the card away after you're finished.
[/quote]
Wait a minute...did I miss something? You have to tell me that version. Just send me a personal message, if you like.

Convince me!
Message: Posted by: shinobi (Feb 23, 2003 01:30PM)
I completely remade my Raven to overcome its shortcomings (the hookup is really fast and easy now), sadly, something I do a lot to magic effects. Sometimes it is so easy to improve on an effect you wonder why the maker didn't do it in the first place. Maybe it's a personal preference issue.
Message: Posted by: Chris A. (Feb 23, 2003 03:04PM)
[quote]On 2003-02-23 13:23, ThorstenHappel wrote:

Sorry, Flip, but I think I have enough experience to judge without ever performing it.[/quote]If you haven't even given it a chance in actual performance, you have [b]no[/b] cause to criticize it.

It's like saying a car doesn't handle well that you've never even taken the trouble to test drive. :(

[quote]You might be able to get it for $12 today, but I paid $50. And the price was part of my disappointment.[/quote]Hm, even back then, some actually [b]tried[/b] the effect and felt that the $50 wasn't unfair.

[quote]If I had spend only $12 it would have been different. $50 was way to much.[/quote]Hm, but you choose to never even give it a try? Even though you spent $50 on it?

Once again, it's tough (nearly impossible) to take your opinion seriously when it is based only on price.

Try performing it sometime properly and see what reaction you get.

[quote] With Cosmosis, you can have the card signed and give the card away after you're finished.
[/quote][quote]
Wait a minute ... did I miss something? You have to tell me that version. Just send me a personal message, if you like. [/quote]Um, it's in the directions of the currently marketed version. Plus a lot of other nice finesses.

Or if you want some really nice additional handlings, Harris sells a booklet for around $10 giving you such goodies as a way to do a 60 second hookup to manufacture new cards.

Originally, the handling of Cosmosis was to have someone select a card from the deck. They would sign the card, and the effect would be peformed. You even "flex" the card initially and the match doesn't rise. It only rises when you want it to.

Heck, you can even run a small hoop or ring completely over the match and it still floats. Once again, this handling is in the directions.

For those who haven't seen it, take a look at a video demo.

http://alakazam.co.uk/demo5.html

After, the card is given to the spectator as a souvenir.

The above routine and other ideas are available in the currently marketed effect.

You made the classic mistake of believing something was worthless based on it's method.

[quote]
Convince me![/quote]You can convince yourself.

All you need to do is actually [b]perform[/b] the effect rather than cavalierly dismissing it based on your disappointment with the method...
Message: Posted by: Paris (Feb 23, 2003 04:00PM)
My list would include Just Think and the mystery Box with a dollar bill. Looks too fake. The zippo lighter by Collectors Workshop bites as well. :dance:
Message: Posted by: FTAMagician (Feb 23, 2003 06:00PM)
Well...still nobody's listed the effect that I marketed a couple years ago!

I'm working on making it even better and I've, as they [i]like[/i] to say, just totally [i]killed[i] with it in the past! A way to fold a playing card into 4ths and be [i]clean[/i] during/after doing it (all they see is the deck and empty hands) and the folded card ends up inside two sealed business cards. The new effect will be even better.
Message: Posted by: cardican66 (Feb 23, 2003 09:10PM)
Sanada gimmick
Hell Bent (Harlan?)
Message: Posted by: Turk (Feb 23, 2003 10:54PM)
FTA,

Your wish is my command. Please excuse the oversight. Here goes:

I think your effect you "marketed a couple years ago" sucked. There, does that make you feel any better? Anything to help. Please let me know anytime I can be of further assistance. (grin)

BTW, what was/is the name of this effect?

Best regards,

Turk
Message: Posted by: Dr. Jakks (Feb 24, 2003 12:21PM)
Terry,

Good idea!

The Raven takes a bit to setup, but it's fun to play with.

Jakks
Message: Posted by: vinsmagic (Feb 24, 2003 02:06PM)
Hey Jakks,

You said that Reality Twister is the best gimmick effect out. If that's so, what about your card through window??

I think Reality Twister is the bomb of the year. Who wants to carry a piece of lens around with them and a fake twisted pen?
-vinny
Message: Posted by: marko (Feb 24, 2003 06:12PM)
I don't know, hy would anyone want to carry a deck of cards, a plastic TT or funny unspendable coins with them? It's all about what you do with them. But I highly recommend that none of you perform Reality Twister. It's terrible. Allow me to be the only one performing this awful trick for people. Please.
Message: Posted by: Dr. Jakks (Feb 24, 2003 06:23PM)
Vinny, the gimmick I use for my card thru window is only for my card thru window. The Lubor lens is very versatile.

Jakks
Message: Posted by: WR (Feb 24, 2003 08:39PM)
Square Circle and Die Bomb!
WR :wow:
Message: Posted by: gtxby33 (Feb 24, 2003 09:29PM)
[quote]
On 2003-02-24 19:12, marko wrote:
I don't know, why would anyone want to carry a deck of cards, a plastic TT or funny unspendable coins with them? It's all about what you do with them. But I highly recommend that none of you perform Reality Twister. It's terrible. Allow me to be the only one performing this awful trick for people. Please.
[/quote]


The Reality Twister is one of the most downright awful pieces of magic that has ever been created. Paul Harris is one of my favorite performers, but this was just terrible. All it is is a glass lens, an insanely weird looking pen, and an optical illusion. Not to mention the spectators have to be practically bending down unless you're a midget. The Reality Twister just does not cut it. Personally I don't even think the power of patter can help this piece of junk.

-Max
Message: Posted by: EvanAndrews (Feb 24, 2003 10:23PM)
I agree Paul Harris is awesome. What I don't get is that people like you run around places like here and say negative comments about things you have never played with before, performed, or have even seen. I happen to know Max that you haven't. Also...How can Paul Harris be one of your favorite performers when you have never read or watched any of his videos or publications let alone you have never watched him perform?

And also, nobody seems to give any credit to Lubor Fiedler when they think of Reality Twister! It is possible that he might have been responsible for the stupidity of the trick. How do we all know that Reality Twister was a mostly Paul Harris influenced trick?
Message: Posted by: gtxby33 (Feb 24, 2003 10:26PM)
Not only have I seen Paul Harris' video but I have also played around with the magnifying glass thing from Reality Twister. Furthermore, would it really even matter if I have personally seen him perform? No.

-Max
Message: Posted by: Jax (Feb 25, 2003 08:02AM)
My vote for worst trick is 'Alida' by Ben Harris. Utter rubbish !
Message: Posted by: Eric Grossman (Feb 25, 2003 09:54AM)
I work weekends in a magic shop in St. Louis. I've seen some real trash. Firstly, to end the Reality Twister debate, it sucks. Paul Harris' name is on it, so it is his. It is a cool little optical illusion, but a piece of magic? No.

Float, by JB Magic is the worst piece of junk out there.

Also, I agree about Just Think, Thought Transmitter, Nickel and Ring.

Guys, I have to admit, that I have been fried by Svengali decks because I never expect, or suspect, that a magician would use one.
Message: Posted by: Rcitgo (Feb 25, 2003 01:32PM)
I would call Float the worst I bought. I think I paid around 40 bucks for it the first week it came out. Now I've seen them on sale somewhere for 10 bucks. It's a piece of garbage! :bluebikes:
Message: Posted by: Isramagia (Feb 25, 2003 02:33PM)
The Thought Transmitter has had powerful responses from lay people I've used it on, but Healed and Sealed has not been a big hit for me. Maybe I'm presenting it incorrectly. :sun:
Message: Posted by: marko (Feb 25, 2003 02:47PM)
On 2003-02-24 22:29, gtxby33 wrote:
[quote]
The reality twister just does not cut it. Personally I don't even think the power of patter can help this piece of junk.

-Max
[/quote]

Then don't perform it. I'm sorry the trick isn't what you'd hope it would have been, but at least be thankful it wasn't expensive. Many magicians on these boards have spent lots more money on things that were truly awful. But your dislike for the effect is not going to make my audiences, nor the audiences of the other performers on here who also use this trick, enjoy it any less :)
Message: Posted by: gtxby33 (Feb 25, 2003 03:11PM)
[quote]
On 2003-02-25 15:33, Isramagia wrote:
Healed and Sealed has not been a big hit for me. Maybe I'm presenting it incorrectly. :sun:
[/quote]

For me it's not presenting it, it's just that I dislike it. I do not like the set-up.

-Max
Message: Posted by: manipulator (Feb 25, 2003 03:51PM)
[quote]
On 2003-02-21 17:34, Sean Fields wrote:
Werry's Transformer is AWFUL! The ad reads completely different than how it is actually utilized. It is essentially an unworkable gimmick that is almost identical to Incredi-Go, which was a unique gimmick at the time it was released.
[/quote]

I agree with you. Werry's Transformer is a joke. I was so disappointed when I got it. It's one of the worst trick I've ever bought.
Message: Posted by: Dr. Jakks (Feb 26, 2003 07:53AM)
You guys just don't realize the effect of Reality Twister. Then again, if I and only a few others are doing it WooHoo!

Jakks
Message: Posted by: Joshl2000 (Feb 26, 2003 10:08PM)
I bought something involving two matchboxes that opened and closed mysteriously. It broke before I could "master" it. Also a mentalist trick that was nothing more than a pen with two different color inks and a pad of paper. Really dumb routine.
Message: Posted by: Alessandro Scotti (Feb 28, 2003 07:38AM)
Tenyo's Blue Crystal
Message: Posted by: MacGyver (Feb 28, 2003 07:55AM)
I also vote for Reality Twister...

People won't actually believe that it twisted unless you give it 200% presentation skills, and even then it's based on an optical illusion...sigh.

I understand that with presentation you can make it seem like a miracle, you could do the same thing with a natural body response like getting people's forefingers to stick together when held out (Knepper suggest this in OnlineVisions).

But why would you want to? if you take those same presentation skills, same effort and personality that it takes to show them Reality Twister, and put it towards a GOOD effect, it will be that much stronger.

Unless for the last 5 years you have been thinking, "Man, I wish I had an optical illusion that turned out to actually happen on a pen," your time would be better spent elsewhere for an effect.
Message: Posted by: Logan (Feb 28, 2003 08:08AM)
I almost bought the Blue Crystal!

Thank God...
Message: Posted by: Schaden (Feb 28, 2003 08:50AM)
Someone said Sankey tricks are very bad. I don't think they are really all that bad, he just writes the effects up. When I got Snowstorm I was very disappointed at the reactions it got until I reworked his handling so the spectator shakes the globe. If I would have seen SnowStorm in a book I would have been very happy with it.

I agree though regarding Public Transit. I think Sankey can put out whatever he wants. That was such a horrible trick.

Again, the hype ruined RT by Paul Harris. If their was no hype, I think it would be more successful.

Lee
Message: Posted by: dpe666 (Feb 28, 2003 07:08PM)
[quote]
On 2003-02-28 08:38, Alessandro Scotti wrote:
Tenyo's Blue Crystal

[/quote]

This is a GREAT optical illusion. I think it is a great thing to show people when they come over to the house. Would I use this in a show? No, but I do not think it (along with Reality Twister, which is a WONDERFUL trick) is a BAD trick. :devilish:
Message: Posted by: lewis (Mar 1, 2003 03:35AM)
I agree dpe666

Blue Crystal is amazing, and Reality Twister is unreal!

Lewis. :banana:
Message: Posted by: JustAnotherMagi (Mar 1, 2003 10:24AM)
[quote]
On 2003-02-28 09:50, pyro_magic wrote:
Someone said Sankey tricks are very bad. I don't think they are really all that bad, he just writes the effects up. When I got Snowstorm I was very disappointed at the reactions it got until I reworked his handling so the spectator shakes the globe. If I would have seen SnowStorm in a book I would have been very happy with it.

I agree though regarding Public Transit. I think Sankey can put out whatever he wants. That was such a horrible trick.

Again, the hype ruined RT by Paul Harris. If their was no hype, I think it would be more successful.

Lee
[/quote]

Sankey is a great magician! I would have to agree his marketed effects are not really super. Some of them are pretty good though. His good magic is in his book and videos.
Message: Posted by: kreme (Mar 1, 2003 11:28AM)
bar code
Message: Posted by: Titanas (Mar 24, 2003 08:14PM)
shameless open prediction 2,Ring in Rose and killer cockroach
Message: Posted by: Scott Ocheltree (Mar 24, 2003 11:54PM)
These threads always go the same way:

Someone says that a trick is junk, then someone else says the same trick is fantastic!

The real question here is, "how do i avoid being ripped off by the ad hype?"
WARNING: Seamonkeys are brine shrimp!

My advice would be to not buy any effect unless you clearly understand it's limitations.

My latest "worst trick purchased" is probably the McAbee Rings from Martin Lewis. The rings themselves are absolutely beautiful (I got the Paul Riser ones) and I watched the video clip online over and over again before buying, so I thought I understood what I was getting. Then when I got them I found out that the included routine required lapping to end "clean". LAPPING!?! What kind of real world work is there where you can get away with lapping??
To be fair, I know it's possible to develop a routine that overcomes this, but the video demo is VERY deceptive, in fact, you can not do what Martin does in the online demo without something extra.
These are a popular item, and very well made. But a buying mistake for me.
Message: Posted by: Turk (Mar 25, 2003 02:10AM)
[quote]
On 2003-02-21 01:37, Peter Loughran wrote:
I used to buy lots of Tenyo stuff, not to perform, but just to simply play with and maybe show my friends and family.

I mean, let's face it ,most of their stuff looks like toys and in some cases it can be hard to present these plastic toy-like tricks in a true professional performance.

However, I love the brilliant thinking and innovation that go into some of these little close up tricks. I just love playing with their stuff and always will.

I mean, sometimes I wonder what these guys are smokin' in order to come up with half of the stuff they do.....

Oh well.

P.
[/quote]

Peter,

In the above post, you stated: "I mean, sometimes I wonder what these guys are smokin' in order to come up with half of the stuff they do..... ". Careful!!

I seem to recall that, in answer to another post (regarding how to join plexiglass) you freely admitted that you used to use ether because you had a lot of that around.

Is there any correlation between the "ether connection" and your brilliantly designed Elevator? And just when did glue sniffing reach its pinnacle of popularity?

Just wonderin'..........

Turk

P.S. Have you finalized your Elevator Handbook yet? That's the only thing making me hold off before purchasing an Elevator. I just want to be certain I get the "complete" goodies.
Message: Posted by: sanskara (Mar 25, 2003 03:06AM)
I guess it really is just a matter of taste. I've used both Thought Transmitter and Lethal Tender and killed lay people.

Thought Transmitter could certainly be improved by somehow limiting through design where someone actually scribbles their number. And if Johnson made Lethal Tender, the pieces would be of higher quality and usable in a more advanced lengthened effect with several phases.

But the products themselves definitely have merit, provided you can work around their limitations and give a good presentation--and that's what magic's all about, folks.
Message: Posted by: RawVoodoo (Mar 29, 2003 03:19AM)
Coin Matrix 2003 ....I really wish I had seen this site before I bought that crap. I did it in a really dim room and they guy just looked at me like.....ummmmm riiiight.

Switch-a-roo.... gee whats that HUGE bulge in your pocket?

and finally some watch.... kinda prediction thing where the whole trick revolved around "pushing the knob in before you hand them the watch" like anyone doesn't know how to set a watch. I complained so loud I actually got a refund on that one.
Message: Posted by: johnr733 (Mar 29, 2003 10:17PM)
Bob King's Bomb Scare. Actually almost anything by Bob.
Message: Posted by: kipling100 (Mar 31, 2003 12:42AM)
I think coin matrix 2003 was worth it just to see a new approach, even if its not immediately workable, its still worth examining.
Message: Posted by: chappelly (Mar 31, 2003 01:22AM)
'FLIP'. I got it on sale for $1-00.When it came out it retailed for $15-00.I still consider I paid too much for it.

Chappelly
Message: Posted by: Peter Loughran (Mar 31, 2003 01:40AM)
Turk... :lol:

We actually use rivits and custom made alluminum metal extrusion to build our plexiglas boxes for our Poltergeist Illusion.

However maybe weird thinking does come from all the fumes from the painting that is done in our shop and in the studio... :lol:

If I suddenly stop inventing magic then perhaps it will be because we invested in a better ventalation system... ;)

P.
Message: Posted by: Ian_B (Mar 31, 2003 02:43AM)
I have to say Invisible Eye... I can't believe I payed $50 for this.

This is one of the most informative and useful thread ever.

Keep it up guys.
Message: Posted by: Paul (Mar 31, 2003 06:13AM)
[quote]
On 2003-03-29 23:17, johnr733 wrote:
Bob King's Bomb Scare. Actually almost anything by Bob.
[/quote]

"Bomb Scare" I don't recall, but to suggest "almost anything by Bob" is ridiculous. He has put out some good stuff, "Big Mac" for one, his breather crimp booklets, ungaffed "Sidewalk Shuffle" etc. and gives an excellent lecture.

His "Flushtration" was VERY MUCH like NFW, but came out LONG before.

Paul.
Message: Posted by: Mehtas (Mar 31, 2003 06:49AM)
[i]Float[/i] (JB magic) and [i]Alida[/i]
How can anyone forget these two names :mad:
The Worst of all kind of tricks.

I just bought the float and I wanted to throw
it in the bin before I came back home.
(I nearly did)

[i]Alida[/i] is useful if you buy two of them
(if you know what I mean)

A very expensive set of E** P***S :) :) :)
Message: Posted by: rowdymagi5 (Mar 31, 2003 10:43AM)
[i]Switch-a-roo[/i] at $25.00
Not that its that bad, just over priced and bulky at that!

[i]Psychokinetic Bolt[/i] at $89.00 -
Pure Junk
Message: Posted by: jimesw (Mar 31, 2003 11:06AM)
I haven't vented my disgust about [i]Penonomen[/i] since the first page of this discussion :mad: :bawl: :whatthe:
Message: Posted by: brownbeauty (Mar 31, 2003 11:15AM)
[i]Reality Twister[/i] gets my rasberry!

Rudy
Message: Posted by: Ian_B (Mar 31, 2003 11:25AM)
[quote]
On 2003-03-31 07:49, Topsy wrote:

A very expesive set of E** P***S :) :) :)
[/quote]

He he he ;) Yes indeed!

I actually didn't mind PENomenon... Remember you're paying for the secret, so if you didn't know the method then you got your moneys worth.

Nuff' said :kewl:
Message: Posted by: Sybilmagic (Apr 1, 2003 01:48PM)
I find Vox pop's gimmick is a little cumbersome and unrealiable although a nice idea.
Message: Posted by: wilson (Apr 2, 2003 10:11AM)
the best : Just Think.
the worst. reality twister
Message: Posted by: marko (Apr 2, 2003 03:49PM)
The best this year: Reality Twister

The worst: Just Think
Message: Posted by: rmbrannon (Apr 15, 2003 03:05PM)
ash felt.
Message: Posted by: cardfreakhk (Apr 16, 2003 02:23PM)
Funny topic!

I bought one thing last month, which I think can add it here.

-Deluxe Clatter Box by Alex McLittle $45
(The box is nice, the effect stinks.)

Michael Lam
Message: Posted by: dave_cane (Apr 16, 2003 02:36PM)
Coin Matrix 2003 definately. When I looked at this I was soooooooooo :angry:. The review made it sound really impressive, but what a load of rubbish!

At least I'm not the only one who fell for this pile of stuff.

David.
Message: Posted by: rmbrannon (Apr 16, 2003 08:49PM)
Deep Guilt Aces.
Message: Posted by: the Sponge (Apr 17, 2003 02:14AM)
[quote]
On 2003-04-16 21:49, rmbrannon wrote:
Deep Guilt Aces.
[/quote]

It would be better for the discussion if you would add your reasons, not just list items.

s
Message: Posted by: HiraseMagic (Apr 17, 2003 03:38AM)
[quote]
On 2003-04-16 21:49, rmbrannon wrote:
Deep Guilt Aces.
[/quote]

Why do you think Deep guilt Aces is a bad trick?

I have Magic of David Regal vol.1 and David explains this trick clearly, with proper deck switch teaching. I do think it is a clear way to cut the four ACES.

Hirase
Message: Posted by: Danny Diamond (Apr 17, 2003 01:52PM)
I had a friend pick me up a penny shell recently to replace my old one which I lost. His local magic shop only had them available with the purchase of a very poor trick called Double X. It's the basic "pen taps penny and it changes to a dime" type trick, but the m***** is so weak that you have to do the move in super-slow motion and the pen is an ugly tan color with the m***** totally exposed at the end. It SCREAMS gimmick. I wouldn't have paid a nickel for this thing, but since my friend already bought it, I was kind of forced into the sale. Needless to say, I do all my own magic supply shopping now.
Message: Posted by: RiffClown (Apr 17, 2003 02:34PM)
I actually use the tube that my "Appearing Dancing Cane" came in more than the cane itself. It barely appears and is even worse at dancing. The balance is horrendous. The balance on the tube is much better.
Message: Posted by: Mehtas (Apr 18, 2003 08:16AM)
Done right Double X is a good trick ,

I am sure the power m***** will do a better job.

Also, I bought this trick from Ben Harris called "Mind Stress" by Tomas Blomberg.

Real stress of mind after you buy it :)
Message: Posted by: Evan (Apr 18, 2003 09:37AM)
[quote]
On 2003-02-24 21:39, WR wrote:
Square Circle and Die Bomb!
WR :wow:
[/quote]

I have to disagree with square circle. I know that the idea and the actual "magic" of the trick is not that great, but I use this to tie my children's show together. I will introduce it in the begining and produce a few small things, then produce something that will lead me into one of my tricks. Then when I finish it, I will go back to the square circle and produce something else that will lead me into my next trick.

I use it for any kid show where there isn't a theme and I just need to do general magic. This way, everything flows pretty well.

Just my two cents,

Evan
Message: Posted by: kris attard (May 7, 2003 01:42AM)
Years back bought a manuscript for a book test by Ben Harris that I thought was basically a rip-off. I can't remember the name as I gave the manuscript away.
Also, when I was a teenager, I once got a Wobbly Wand. This was a metal spring painted like a wand that you handed out to a spectator for a laugh, as the wand was supposed to wobble all over the place. Underline 'supposed' - this thing was so stiff, I swear it was a deadly weapon. I actually see similar implements sold at self defence shops today. If a volunteer had to swing that thing about and hit someone with it (which would probably be the person next to him - me!) it would be the end of my show and career. I still have it. Hmm, maybe I'll keep it by my bed in case I have to tackle a burglar. ("Don't know what the fuss is about, Officer I only tapped him with a magic wand to hypnotize him!")
:eek:
Message: Posted by: Kjellstrom (May 7, 2003 02:29AM)
Worst? I think all these overpriced tricks with a cheap prop and a tiny instruction and with a impact high as a small "fart"!
I don't like when people put things out just to make some cash.
Nowadays I never buy a trick if I havent seen it "live". The ads for these "miracles" tricks is infact the magic itself.

http://www.kjellstrom.info
Message: Posted by: Dr. K (May 9, 2003 12:13AM)
Well, Kjellstrom, I wish I had done exactly that before I bought Ariston's Arising Card trick when it first came out and "everybody" was raving about it. I couldn't have been more disappointed when I got it. Every other rising card effect I do -- and I have built several from scratch of different sizes -- is so much better, and so much cheaper. And Kundalini Rising doesn't even need to have a deck made. Brilliant piece by Jeff McBride.

My mistake. I'll follow your advice next time.
Message: Posted by: Scott F. Guinn (May 9, 2003 03:10AM)
"Ping Pong Pop" by Sparks. A dealer friend of mine gave it to me at his cost--I wish he had paid me to take it! It is just awful. I threw it in the recycling bin the same day.

There are many tricks out there that can be a fine piece of magic in the right hands ("One man's trash is another man's treasure"). Many of the effects named in this topic are deemed horrible by some, while others think they are great (for example, I really like Reality Twister). But I have never met or heard of anyone who thought "Ping Pong Pop" was even a remotely good trick. Ech!
Message: Posted by: Jonatan B (May 9, 2003 06:18AM)
Why not just give the "bad things" away to other magicians who maybe wants them?
Message: Posted by: Scott F. Guinn (May 9, 2003 06:31AM)
Good question, but in this case, I COULDN'T give it away! NOBODY wanted it. It was so bad, I don't even think it qualified as a trick!
Message: Posted by: kryptonite76 (May 9, 2003 09:44AM)
UFO. That thing sucked!
Message: Posted by: Mehtas (May 9, 2003 10:27AM)
kryptonite76 ,

Any reason you don't like UFO ???


Coz , I like UFO very much :rolleyes:
Message: Posted by: Wolfgang (May 9, 2003 08:00PM)
Hands down: Silver/Copper/Brass Transposition! Just kidding.

Seriously, for me, it has to be Antón's "Meeting Point." I mention it because I recently bought it and have not been able to use it anywhere I perform. While I realized this card-through-window trick would require prior setup before I bought it, the dealer (a very reputable and well-known company) assured me that it would not be a problem in my venues. In your own home you can create the perfect setting, but anywhere else, chances are slim you'll have the right condition. If you're familiar with this trick, you know what I'm talking about. The s****** supplied with the trick is bogus and would appear nonsensical if used. Does anyone agree or am I nuts?
Message: Posted by: Clarence (May 10, 2003 01:16AM)
You would have to experiment using "Meeting Point" wolfgang.

The gimmick is a disappointment at first, but once you practice and get the trick down, I'd say it's a pretty good illusion! :smiles:
Message: Posted by: Wolfgang (May 10, 2003 07:05AM)
I do not think it's a bad idea. And I have come up with other ways to provide "cover." But I wish I had been told that it requires a specific type of paned window beforehand. Bottomline: in the last ten places I have performed, I could use it zero times. I'd like to know if someone out there is using it regularly in shows, not just having fun with it at home. For me, "Meeting Point" was D.O.A. (Dust-collector On Arrival).
Message: Posted by: lithis (May 10, 2003 08:07AM)
Yeah, Meeting Point is pretty bad. All the windows in my house are double-glazed (two thin panes with a small airspace between), as are most windows in modern homes. This keeps me from performing it on any window. I can only do it on the glass door that covers my stereo cabinet, which dramatically decreases the impact.
Message: Posted by: JoJo41 (May 10, 2003 06:56PM)
I especially relate to the comment about "Anything I bought before I was 20."

That reminded me of a mini floating mummy I bought years ago. The packaging fell somewhat short of the unvarnished fidelity in describing the trick.

First, it gave the impression that it could be performed in any situation. (No way.) Then, it led this naive youngster (me) to believe that the method was undetectable.

Well, it was a thread, and not a very sublte one. It was so coarse and so black that the silly thing could only be performed in extremely low light.

It was so painfully obvious that the "mummy" was dangling by that thread (it moved around a lot) that I just can't imagine anyone it would fool.

I remember it was priced somewhere around twenty-five 1963 dollars.

Ugh.

But wait! There's MORE!

That wasn't the worst. The worst by far--and I concede that this goes back so far as to be irrelevant-- was the SMOKE FROM FINGERTIPS novelty. Oh, to read the packaging (or, more likely, the ad on the inside front cover of a comic book), you were sure you could produce "billows of smoke" with this amazing product.

What a bite!

All it produced was this flimsy ***. It was so bad you'd have to tell folks what it was supposed to be.

Yep, that SMOKE FROM FINGERTIPS was a real reputation maker. They'd see me coming and say, "Hey, there's the jerk who spent his allowance on that piece of crap tube of goo that's supposed to look like smoke. What a LOSER!"
Message: Posted by: iamslow (May 10, 2003 07:08PM)
lite flight by perry maynard was a piece of crap, the IT would allways break during performance and people would figure it out.. :snail:
Message: Posted by: dpe666 (May 10, 2003 07:22PM)
[quote]
On 2003-05-10 20:08, iamslow wrote:
lite flight by perry maynard was a piece of crap, the IT would allways break during performance and people would figure it out.. :snail:
[/quote]

You might have had some bad "make it float stuff". I used this effect to open my platform show that I performed in a casino in a dumpy little town called Deadwood, South Dakota. I did 6 shows per day for 4 months, and I NEVER had ANY trouble with Lite-Flite. :devilish:
Message: Posted by: M@gic Man (May 17, 2003 01:29AM)
HHmmmmmm
the worst trick i have ever bought would have to be trisector, by tenyo.
Because it is really fiddly and there is no way you can perform it without it looking really dodgy!!!! :mad:
Message: Posted by: HiraseMagic (May 17, 2003 03:10AM)
The quality of my Switch Card(by Ickle Pickle) is poor...maybe that's mine only.

Hirase
Message: Posted by: gandolf (May 17, 2003 06:09PM)
Phew! When I started this thread I had no idea it would evolve into six pages. I still get a chuckle from the posts on this topic. Hope everyone else is enjoying it as much as I am.

LOVED JoJo41's post about the smoke from fingertips...... Just so you know, I bought it too. It was so bad, I never even considered showing it to anyone! I had forgotten about that one. Thanks for bringing back a fond (or maybe not so fond) memory!!!
Message: Posted by: Kamal (May 17, 2003 09:34PM)
I love Trisector! and most of the Tenyo Range. Having said that, my vote for the worst trick on the planet has to go to Tenyo's Anti-Gravity Rock.

Talk about a piece of crap! It is by far the worst thing I have ever seen, and it wouldn't fool blind Freddy...
Message: Posted by: BIlly James (May 18, 2003 05:41AM)
The worst thing I (or anyone else for that matter) have ever bought was Schindlers pen.
It was a while ago so I can't remember all the specifics but basically the add read that you could vanish objects, make predictions etc. etc. the list went on with some really amazing claims (I was new to magic at the time and didn't know better).

I got the thing home...IT'S A PEN!!!! THAT'S IT, JUST A PEN!!!! oh excuse me there are card suits and values printed on it.
It came with a booklet to tell you how to achieve all of these miracles but it was complete crap! It's like he sat down and thought I might try to sell those suckers a pen, I wonder what I can tell them it does. Some things I might have added are - kills 95% of all household pests (If thery're smaller than a fly you squash them with it or if they're bigger you can stab them with it).
I suppose youre wondering how you can vanish 'almost anything' with a pen...(apart from the stiking vanish)....well there was some lame thing about using it for misdirection, the only way it could be used for that in my mind is if you jabbed the spectator in the eye with it and then hid the object behind a nearby plant!
Suffice to say I don't recommend it. But if anyone is interested you could by my latest item - 'The Stapler' (float passing cars, shift the axis of the globe a foot to the left, no stooges and no rough and smooth, only $2573.50. The price is high to keep it out of the hands of the curious)
P.S. it can also be used to join to separate pieces of paper together.
Message: Posted by: Mehtas (May 18, 2003 08:17AM)
Billy,

Yes, I had this item long time ago and its just what you said, A PEN , with some card printing on it.(including the out of this world instructions)

One day I got up and went to throw this pen into the bin,

Guess what ??

The pen jumped back and the words came from the bin "This place is for rubbish, please don't throw this item here"


:) :) :) :)



This is how the item looks

http://www.showbizmagic.net/image/products/SchindlersPen.jpg
Message: Posted by: WVMAGIC (May 21, 2003 09:44AM)
I bought a trick called WitchCraft rose. It consisted of a cheap rose and a Wire floating gimmick that you couldn't hide to save your life. The trick described the rose floating off the stem, in truth you had to pull it off with a strong jerk.
Message: Posted by: Shadow Dancer (May 22, 2003 01:46AM)
The worst trick that i ever bought was Tony Clarks Ultra Safe Dove Harness. WHAT A PIECE OF JUNK! When I put it on one of my doves the poor thing just about did a backflip and was having a spasm on the ground. It couldn't even stand up properly. And oh yes, it was put on correctly, so i tried it on one of my other doves-same result. Then finaly i went through my 4 doves and then decided to just shove the expensive peice of junk in a draw, where i haven't used it since.
Merry Christmas Tony Clark!
Message: Posted by: tdowell (May 22, 2003 02:21AM)
Ash Felt by G. Bavali (peek at the spectator's card????)

Coin Matrix 2003
("oh don't worry about those, that's just some spare close up pad patches, just in case I burn it with my cigarette")

Mikame Zig Zag Can ("never mind the seven inch depth there, its just an ordinary wooden tri cut pop can holder") **snicker***
Message: Posted by: joseph (May 22, 2003 07:39AM)
[quote]
On 2003-05-22 02:46, Shadow Dancer wrote:
The worst trick that i ever bought was Tony Clarks Ultra Safe Dove Harness. WHAT A PIECE OF JUNK! When I put it on one of my doves the poor thing just about did a backflip and was having a spasm on the ground. It couldn't even stand up properly. And oh yes, it was put on correctly, so i tried it on one of my other doves-same result. Then finaly i went through my 4 doves and then decided to just shove the expensive peice of junk in a draw, where i haven't used it since.
Merry Christmas Tony Clark!
[/quote]
Sounds lide a Tannen item I bought in the 70's called Dove on Perch. When the balloon popped, the dove went sailing sideways, and the perch snapped in two. When I returned it, they glued the perch back together, and sent it back to me. Great service. :hrmph:
Message: Posted by: Alex Ng (May 22, 2003 02:49PM)
Cardzilla!!! - really a piece of JUNK!
Message: Posted by: TiendaMagia (May 23, 2003 11:40PM)
lol billy james
Message: Posted by: tdowell (May 24, 2003 12:44AM)
What ever happened to that awesome constuction in the "Penonmenon" trick. They just don't make precision machined magic like that any longer. Man, that one was so worth the $25 price. Anyone have the "Smoke from Fingertips" trick?????
Message: Posted by: redstreak (May 24, 2003 01:05AM)
I got " the transformer" by Werry. It's TERRIBLE, just a cheap pull with a piece of plastic and sticky stuff at the end. It doesn't go up my sleeve without the coin or other object flying off. You have to hold onto the gimmick with your hand in a fist. JUNK.
Message: Posted by: thimblerig (May 24, 2003 02:42AM)
I posted this before, but now it has disappeared...

Now U C It, Now U Don't. Totally impractical for anything but fooling yourself in the mirror, or those lined up single file directly in front of you. (Actually you can use it in table work, but it is nowhere near as good as the ad hype.) Worst part for me is that I already bought the same gimmick in 1978 from Ed Sparrow under a different name and didn't use it then either, and it cost 1/3 the price (but no video). Bought it from the ad without a video or in person demo or I would have known I already had it.
tr
:cool: :spinningcoin:
Message: Posted by: Mehtas (May 24, 2003 07:20AM)
thimblerig ,

Now U C It, Now U Don't ??

A friend of mine show is and fools all the people all the time.

Well, that's how it goes, Some people hate it and some people love it.



:) :) :)
Message: Posted by: thimblerig (May 24, 2003 12:08PM)
Topsy,
Interesting that your friend uses it all the time - in what venue? Angles don't work well if you are surrounded, e.g. restaurant or street unless you are doing table work. It does kill one on one, (as in the mirror <S>) but it just seems so limited.
If you're not using it, is it just because it doesn't fit your style, or why?
tr
:cool:
Message: Posted by: Mehtas (May 24, 2003 01:56PM)
thimblerig ,

It is right that it cant be performed surrounded but you can overcome that.

You just need some big object right behind you so nobody can see from behind.

You can also show your hands empty from front and back.

I don't do it now coz I already had lots of fun with it.
Message: Posted by: taller (May 25, 2003 10:50AM)
A spinning card effect. Just never got it down to where I felt comfortable with it.
Message: Posted by: Michael T (May 25, 2003 12:23PM)
Alida
Cosmosis
Zoom
Hoodwink

The guy just produces total and utter crap! But its nicely packaged :S

However, Gellerism Exposed isn't bad, but says more about Ben than it does Uri's methods!
Message: Posted by: Bilwonder (May 25, 2003 01:20PM)
"Cosmosis "...boy does that bring back memories! The full page ad promising a perfect close-up levitation...Then paying $50 some bucks plus the cost of an international money order...signing all kinds of secrecy agreement papers IF I should be CHOSEN to recieve it (only limited few were to ever be sold...). Then I find the item only rises less than a half inch, you must use cards...and then soon Tannens started selling the same thing for less than $10!

Back when I was about 8 years old, I'd save my allowance to buy some new miracle by mail. I was usually disappointed that the item wasn't a real miracle...but I was REALLY disillusioned when I bought the SAME gimmick several times in a row! I don't know how many items the catologue advertised with this gimmic as the "secret," but I must have bought over a half dozen hank pulls under the guise of being a "new" trick! And I think those little plastic "eggs" were made to amplify sound!
Message: Posted by: Alex Ng (May 25, 2003 04:01PM)
Even forgot "Time Will Tell".
Message: Posted by: redstreak (May 25, 2003 04:50PM)
I love now-U-C-it-now-U-don't, it is very visual. You have to put some time into practicing the moves but I have fooled many people with it.
Message: Posted by: Dr. Bombay (May 25, 2003 04:52PM)
I don't care for now-u-c-it. A good old retension vanish is better without having to have that special something on your hand.
Message: Posted by: paraguppie (May 25, 2003 04:59PM)
Did anyone else fall for the "disappearing cell phone"? Two words: useless junk! It's a foam stress ball shaped like a terrible looking blue cell phone. I cannot believe I bought it. It's a great stress reliever though, I squish it all the time. Not once has any magic dripped out of it though.

Keith
Message: Posted by: Magnus (May 25, 2003 07:21PM)
Coin Matrix 2003, for sure
Message: Posted by: Andrew E. Miller (May 25, 2003 08:43PM)
I have seen two people use Now U C It, Now U Don't at restaurants for a coin routine. The angles may be bad, but it can work. A good old retention is nowhere near as impossible looking as this. I don't think it is fair to say it is a bad gimmick because it does have its place. You could do this in parlor or close-up show situations.

Andrew
Message: Posted by: Larry Barnowsky (May 25, 2003 08:51PM)
I have used the Now U See It gimmick as an opener for a misers dream routine. Both hands are held wide open and shown on both sides. Then the first coin appears, and disappears just as convincingly. This is about as magical as you can get. By using both hands together you can achieve pretty good angle coverage. I would use the gimmick sparingly as part of a coin routine and not as a one time effect. This is one of those sleeper items that I'm happy more people are either unaware of or think it's too difficult to pull off correctly.
Message: Posted by: Andrew E. Miller (May 25, 2003 09:03PM)
See, the Count has a great use for the item. Who says it as to be done as a single effect?

Andrew
Message: Posted by: Michaels (May 25, 2003 11:23PM)
"There and Back". Very impractical!
Michaels
Message: Posted by: Andrew E. Miller (May 25, 2003 11:46PM)
What Michaels!!!??? There and Back is one of David Regal's most prized professional routines. He clearly explains that is is for use in a parlor or close-up show situation! When you bought it, you knew it involved using a mat and we magicians don't get a chance to lay down mats often. You know that, so why did you buy it? Don't come on here and bash an effect that had so much work put into it just because you don't use it shows. It has its place in magic as does everything. Watch people be blown away and scared as David Regal performs this. It is a beautiful piece of magic. Over half the people on the Café don't perform anyway. You might not too. So why would someone like that care about practicality.

Andrew
Message: Posted by: Jordan Piper (May 26, 2003 12:00AM)
I think any packaged tricks you buy from a Wal-Mart or Toys R Us such as The Secret Magic Collection are very poor in quality. Most of the materilas are made of cheap plastic and can break easily. As a result I will only buy tricks from magic shops, which now really seems like common sense.
Message: Posted by: marko (May 26, 2003 01:08AM)
I loved "There & Back" too when I read it in Regal's book, however I hear the props provided in the effect as released seperately were of poor quality. But what do I know.
Message: Posted by: Andrew E. Miller (May 26, 2003 01:55AM)
Marko, whoever said they were of poor quality must have made their own or was being irrational. I bought "There and Back" and it works great. Very nicely made.

Andrew
Message: Posted by: Michaels (May 26, 2003 10:25AM)
[quote]
On 2003-05-26 02:08, marko wrote:
I loved "There & Back" too when I read it in Regal's book, however I hear the props provided in the effect as released seperately were of poor quality. But what do I know.
[/quote]
My thoughts exactly. The mat was of a cheap quality and the material used was loose and amateurish in appearance.

Andrew wrote:
"Don't come on here and bash an effect that had so much work put into it just because you don't use it shows."

Andrew, if I posted only the opinions that you thought were appropriate they would be your opinions and not mine. Disagreeing with someone is OK. Telling them they have no right to their opinion is inappropriate.

I don't judge a trick by who the creator is. I evaluate it based on over 30 years of professional experience.
If I based my decision on what I liked or disliked by the amount of work that went into a project, then I should love most every literary work on the shelf.
Top of the day
Michaels
Message: Posted by: Dr. Bombay (May 26, 2003 10:27AM)
Yep, there and back read well and looked good on video but the prop is horrible. You have to build your own.
Message: Posted by: Magicbarry (May 26, 2003 01:01PM)
Jay Sankey's Billusion.

When I read the description of the effect, I assumed that the "obvious" method was too obvious, and that the effect was something wildly creative. It wasn't. If common sense doesn't tip the method, the mark left on the bill by the gimmick does.

It bears mentioning, though, that the customer service from Elmwood Magic was excellent, so while this particular product was a dud, I was not turned off of the distributor.
Message: Posted by: Andrew E. Miller (May 26, 2003 01:16PM)
[quote]
On 2003-05-26 11:27, Dr. Bombay wrote:
Yep, there and back read well and looked good on video but the prop is horrible. You ahve to build your own.
[/quote]

I got mine and it was way better than the one I made.

Michaels, I am not forcing my opinions on you. In your first post you stated an issue of practicality, which was false. Like I was saying, everything has its place in magic. There and Back belongs in a close-up or parlor show. I am not trying to get you to think anything like me. As for quality, I disagree, but I respect that if you think it was poor. you never mentioned quality in your original post.

Andrew
Message: Posted by: thimblerig (May 26, 2003 03:17PM)
Actually, all of these, "what's your favorite/least favorite/best/worst.....etc?" threads are asking for personal opinions. By their very nature they run the risk of controversy and misunderstanding.

If I don't like a particular gimmick, e.g. Now U C It, or if Michaels doesn't like "There and Back," those who do like them, in some way feel compelled to respond with their opinion. As long as it is reasonable, e.g. as the Count's response to my posting, then all's well with the world - we are two mature adults agreeing to disagree.

Harsh or judgmental defensive responses ( perhaps based on an internal response of, "after all, I bought that effect and like it so the other person must have no insight or be an idiot...") coupled with the lack of non-verbal cues in electronic communication can lead to acrimony.

Concrete, rigid, judgmental comments based on the need for affirmation of one's personal opinions is not helpful to the discussion. If Michaels doesn't like the effect for whatever reason, no matter how much someone else may like it, he has the right to express that opinion. After all, the topic question is begging us to "bash" an effect we bought and don't like.

And as for me, to suggest that someone shouldn't care about practicality because they may or may not "perform" makes no sense. How can one care about magic in the real world no matter how much they perform it and not be concerned about practicality? How can someone judge what is "practical" for me without knowing my performing style or needs? Similarly at least two of the people who bought "There and Back" are now deemed "irrational" for disliking the quality of the props. This verges on an ad hominem attack which is contrary to the ettiquette of the board.

It is important but difficult to separate criticism of one's opinions or beliefs from criticism of one's self.

By the way, I don't have the "There and Back" and have no idea what it is...

Bottom line: less emotion and more respect would be nice. When tempted to write a strong response I find it a good idea to write it out and save it in a draft mode and sleep on it. If I still feel the same way the next day, then I would send it. I say I "would" because I never have.

Cordially,

tr

:cool:
Message: Posted by: Dr. Bombay (May 26, 2003 03:48PM)
There and back is based on a very clever principle: you send your money to the dealer ( there ) and when you get the prop it stinks so back you return it ( back ). There and Back!!

We have to be careful in praising or passing on an effect, not to reveal the method.

Andre will fly with U3F!!

Regal is a good guy in magic. I just don't think the prop was well made. Much better than some effects from the L&L stable ( remember those horrible Henry Evans effects that got panned in here???)
Message: Posted by: Mehtas (May 26, 2003 04:23PM)
Many years ago a friend of mine gave me a trick called "The third eye" is was from supreme magic.

it claimed lot but heres what it contained,

A half a sheet of instructions.
A normal thumb tack with a shiny head.

NOW

The same method is used in "INCREDIBLE" by
bob solari.

Have a look

[url=http://www.thetrickery.com/Detail.bok?searchpath=1868232ff566627fadbd&category=solari&start=1&total=24&no=3397][b]Click here[/b][/url]



O.K guys,
Can you come up with anything worst than that ????

(Apart from "Alida" )


T.
Message: Posted by: Dr. Bombay (May 26, 2003 04:34PM)
Topsy, it depends what the trick was. as silly as the Rating Pen may seem, when the penny turns to a dime, girls freak.

I almost bought this. it sounded too good to be true. thanks for sharing this. You may have the worse trick of all. Can you PM with more detail on it. I'm just fascinated by the effect description and what you got.

Who said the Mirage Wallet is junk? when you get the knack of it, it's a killer

I think it was cool that MichalMystic wrote about our not liking the products.

I will say, they are inexpensive, but they are not very good.
Message: Posted by: Mehtas (May 26, 2003 04:38PM)
Dr Bombay,

I just edited my post so you can see what the third eye is.
Message: Posted by: Andrew E. Miller (May 26, 2003 04:59PM)
thimblerig,

In no way am I making an harsh judgmental comments about other people's opinions. I think it is alright to ask questions about people opinions as I did or too correct a flase statement in someone's post. At most, I am trying to point out the good in something that someone bashed.

Andrew
Message: Posted by: Dr. Bombay (May 26, 2003 06:40PM)
We need balance in Congress and here in the Café. I like Andrew's point on this.

I did not care for Hot trix thumbtip. Too much hype, not enough substance.
Message: Posted by: thimblerig (May 26, 2003 07:33PM)
Andrew,

I'm glad that you didn't feel as if you were being harsh or judgmental but that more or less proves my point. That is how you came across as I read the postings and that is only my opinion, I could be wrong:

All that I see that Michaels said in his original post was that it was impractical. That is his opinion. How can it be false? His opinion is his. Your message IS judgmental. How can one correct his opinion and call it a false statement? (or maybe the post was edited and I missed something???) Only facts can be corrected and I didn't see any statement of fact to be corrected.

Then there was a <seeming, but perhaps not> rant, including, "Don't come on here and bash an effect that had so much work put into it just because you don't use it shows." -> not exactly asking a question, and if not harsh, certainly not cordial...doesn't seem to really build up the effect in question...

How is this constructive? Does this really point out the good in something or reflect poorly on the writer?

***I also don't follow all the stuff about a close up mat being necessary because Michaels (who I don't know at all, either) said nothing about that in his post and again I don't know the effect. (again maybe the post(s) were edited?)***

How is calling someone irrational because they don't like the quality of the props supplied helpful or positive? It is their opinion. One can point out one's disagreement without stating that those who disagree are irrational...again, does this make me believe the props in question are truly fine items, or does it make me wonder about the writer's communications skills?

I note that you did "agree to disagree" with Michaels on that issue in a subsequent post which is good. However, you didn't counter with any details about why you perceive the quality of the props to be good - which would have been more effective in conveying your point rather than dismissing others' opinions as irrational. Readers are still left with two against, one for the quality of the props. Both Bombay and Michaels offered useful comments on why they held their opinions.

You have every right to disagree and express your opinions, and by all means offer a counter viewpoint if you have one. I have no problem with that.

However both you and Bombay (I'm for "balance" also) miss my point: it is HOW you express yourself in your disagreement, not the disagreement itself. Particularly if you did not mean to be harsh or judgmental as you say, phrasing could make a difference. Just a thought.

Cordially,

tr
:cool:
Message: Posted by: Dr. Bombay (May 26, 2003 08:27PM)
thimblerig is right about how we express our opinions. I'm going to be more constructive.

Thanks, Magi!!

Doc
Message: Posted by: Juan D (May 27, 2003 02:29PM)
The worst effect I have purchased is the "Pocket Levitator" , even though I knew how it works before purchasing it, after receiving the gimmick I found that It just won't support what it should support...

A good Idea but absolutely impractical!
Message: Posted by: highmagic (May 28, 2003 03:51AM)
My drawers really are full of crap... Marvoyan's Compact Key, the above mentioned Pocket Levitator, Alexander De Cova Universal Holder... I still have to understand why I bought that stuff
Message: Posted by: VMC_Alex (May 28, 2003 05:18PM)
[quote]
On 2003-02-21 19:08, EvanAndrews wrote:
[quote]
On 2003-02-21 08:08, cheezycool wrote:
Anyone for the Svengali Deck?
[/quote]

I would have to agree with you on this one, I hate the Svengali deck!

Three more to add. I really don't like these, guys: Lethal Tender, Scotch and Soda, and the RAVEN!!!!
[/quote]

You guys are just ditching some of the greatest classic gimmicks. Why do you not like the Svengali deck?! I don't use mine anymore, but these three tricks blow the pants off people! I hate it when magicians burn something because "It's too easy" WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO MAKE ANY HARDER FOR YOURSELF?!
Message: Posted by: Winslow Homer (May 29, 2003 01:24PM)
Why are you guys buying what obviously sounds like junk from the description of a trick.
psychokinetic pen... LOL
consider money lost an educational investment.
Message: Posted by: Mehtas (May 29, 2003 01:42PM)
Winslow Homer,

You don't like PK Pen ???

Any reason you don't like it ??
Message: Posted by: Winslow Homer (May 29, 2003 03:43PM)
Just read this description:
"A Bic brand pen is balanced on the edge of the table or a glass. The performer may then walk across the room. After exerting tremendous mental powers directed at the pen, the pen slowly wiggles then moves and finally falls! You pick it up, begin to return it to your pocket but instead use it as you would any ordinary pen.
An uncanny display of your mental powers done with an "ordinary" everyday Bic ink pen.

Each pen prepared by hand

Includes one gimmicked and one ungimmicked pen "

So what???
I did want to make a comment on the "uncanny display of mental power" of whoever buys this thing but I've decided not to...

The worst I ever got was "Cigarette Pierce" from Daytona Magic. Nice brass prop but no cigarette fits in it; so it's useless.
By the way, don't get me started on Daytona Magic, maybe someone should start new thread: worst magic dealers?
Message: Posted by: Mehtas (May 29, 2003 04:25PM)
How about using a rolled up banknote ???

You can show it to non-smokers as well.






T. :kewl:
Message: Posted by: Winslow Homer (May 29, 2003 04:40PM)
Thanks, I thought about it but it won't work. It just won't come out of the tube later on.
Message: Posted by: 2003 user (May 29, 2003 05:42PM)
You can use a cigarette named "MORE". IT can fit in .
Message: Posted by: Devils Advocaat (May 29, 2003 06:29PM)
[quote]
On 2003-05-28 04:51, highmagic wrote:
My drawers really are full of crap... Marvoyan's Compact Key, the above mentioned Pocket Levitator, Alexander De Cova Universal Holder... I still have to understand why I bought that stuff
[/quote]

Compact Key is also one of the very worst things I have ever bought! Just go out and get a couple of keys cut, then take a hacksaw to one of them. :thumbsdown:

Probably all of JB's back catalogue resides in my 'Krypt of Krap'. No, that's too harsh, only 99% of it. :loss:

Frank. :devilish:
Message: Posted by: Tim Taylor (May 29, 2003 07:47PM)
Well my vote is for Spectral oujia board. The good thing is I got it for less than 1/2 off!
I guess what makes it so bad is it was exactly what I thought it would be. Also I am having problems with getting it to work well on a table.
Any advise?
Message: Posted by: carly (May 29, 2003 08:12PM)
my vote is for ash felt :snail: :dancing: :bunny: :kitty: :gift: :cuteangel: :sun: :angel: :hamburger: :coffee: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :clownonball:
Message: Posted by: the Sponge (May 29, 2003 10:00PM)
[quote]
I guess what makes it so bad is it was exactly what I thought it would be. Also I am having problems with getting it to work well on a table.
Any advise?
[/quote]
Stronger gimmick.

s
Message: Posted by: Winslow Homer (May 30, 2003 12:13AM)
i know cigarettes named "more" they are so thin of course, there will be no question in spectators mind that my nails bypassed it somehow.
no, the effect is a turkey.
also, there is a lot of effects thet are not useable in real life but are pretty good, like 2wenty1. i guess before buying you have to ask yourself or better imagine yourself doing the effect and all the implications.
Also, maybe a good idea to expose the scam artists that sell those products?
i think there is nothing wrong exposing for example 3 card monte new york swindlers yet i don't think it takes away from the art, the act itself. you can still practice it and show it and earn money doing it, but there is a line you should not cross.
funny thing about being scammed and ripped off is that we fill a sense of shame ourselves. like we are to blame for it or such... nonsence. unless you got taken in twice, remember fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me!
Message: Posted by: BIlly James (May 30, 2003 04:01AM)
I really hated 'Vanishing the Statue of Liberty'. I mean it looked good when I saw David Copperfield do it, I don't know where he got his from but I bought mine from a guy at a market....maybe I should have gone to a magic dealer.
I don't know....maybe my magic skills aren't up to scratch but I just can't act 'natural' wearing a thumb tip that size.
Message: Posted by: trainerjep (May 30, 2003 06:26AM)
hmmm not sure what you are talking about, thumbtip, Copperfield, hmmmm i don't get it..
i know there was a packet trick called 'vanishing statue of liberty, but
thumbtip, i am so confused
Message: Posted by: Larry Davidson (May 30, 2003 07:17AM)
BIlly James, you just need to gain a lot of weight. That effect is supposed to come with gift certificates to McDonald's.
Message: Posted by: Mehtas (May 30, 2003 10:59AM)
D. robbins used to sell a T'T called the "jumbo thumb tip"

it was soooo large, you can see from miles away.


T. :kewl:
Message: Posted by: M for Magic (May 30, 2003 11:12AM)
My opinion is still out on Thought Transmitter.
I have used it with mixed results. Some cases I admit my handling was at fault, but there were other times when I was 100% on, but the audience member was like "No way let me see that wallet" or "If you are a menatlist, do the same thing without the wallet".
May be one of you guys can tell me where I might be goofing up before I pass judgement on the T.T.
Message: Posted by: Sean Lough (May 30, 2003 11:45AM)
Billy--

I had the same problem when I bought Don Wayne's "Walking Through the Great Wall of China."

Not only was I disappointed in the method (PK magnet) but the shipping costs were ridiculous.

S. :thumbsdown:
Message: Posted by: marko (May 30, 2003 01:17PM)
LOL, is it just me or does jconstans' avatar look like actor Benicio Del Toro?
Message: Posted by: Payne (May 30, 2003 01:45PM)
[quote]
On 2003-05-30 05:01, BIlly James wrote:
I really hated 'Vanishing the Statue of Liberty'. I mean it looked good when I saw David Copperfield do it, I don't know where he got his from but I bought mine from a guy at a market....maybe I should have gone to a magic dealer.
I don't know....maybe my magic skills aren't up to scratch but I just can't act 'natural' wearing a thumb tip that size.
[/quote]

I am sorry to say that you were ripped off. Copperfield did not use a TT on the Statue of Liberty vanish. He used the TT on the Lear Jet Vanish, for the Statue of Liberty he used a Top-It! :nose:
Message: Posted by: phonic69 (May 30, 2003 01:56PM)
My vote would have to be the horrendous "Switcheroo"!

:)
Message: Posted by: Joao Miranda (May 30, 2003 01:58PM)
Mine goes to flight 204...
Sorry, I really do not like the trick.

Regards
Message: Posted by: marko (May 30, 2003 02:16PM)
[quote]
On 2003-05-30 14:56, phonic69 wrote:
My vote would have to be the horrendous "Switcheroo"!
[/quote]

"Wow, cool magic, but why do you need that big thick canister in your pocket sir?" :lol:
Message: Posted by: M for Magic (May 30, 2003 03:08PM)
Marko:
Viva Las Vegas boobay.
Message: Posted by: cardfreakhk (May 31, 2003 12:03PM)
This is the Golden Thread!
OH... Miranda, you are the first to give that everyone-like-it-a-lot routine a bad review! Could you please give some points?

Is it just you? Or some problems with it?

Michael Lam :heckno:
Message: Posted by: trilam (Jun 1, 2003 07:13PM)
I second (third or more) the vote for switcheroo. Waste of money, just do a switch in the pocket.
Message: Posted by: ChrisMagic52 (Jun 1, 2003 07:51PM)
Ummm, lets see, I have lots of stuff I hated! :thumbsdown:
- Reality Twister
- The Raven
- Mental Photography
- Split Deck
- Golden Key
- Floating dollar bill
- Color deception Brass
- All Easy to master Money miracles videos
+ tons and tons more.
I don't know why I bought all these crappy tricks, What was I somoking :question:
Message: Posted by: Nick23 (Jun 1, 2003 08:46PM)
Its interesting that no one has mentioned a book or video... It just proves what better value they are.
Message: Posted by: Rennie (Jun 1, 2003 08:55PM)
I have to agree with the majority on Switceroo as being bad and also as well as being disapponited in Reality Twister. But the absolute worst was a coin trick from Paul Diamond called Phantom at the Fingertips and it used a cable like the brake cable on bicycles that went up your right sleeve over your shoulders and down and out the left sleeve. You then had a small piece of magicians wax on the end of the cable out of your right hand which you put a half dollar on and made it look like you were holding it on your fingers. You pulled on the cable with your left hand and made the coin vanish. This definitely went into the drawer.
Message: Posted by: ChrisMagic52 (Jun 2, 2003 09:38AM)
[quote]
On 2003-06-01 21:46, Nick23 wrote:
Its interesting that no one has mentioned a book or video... It just proves what better value they are.
[/quote]

I mentioned the Easy to master money miracles videos were pretty bad.
Message: Posted by: WanderingMagician (Jun 2, 2003 09:54AM)
This post proves that different people like different magic.

While Switcheroo is perhaps not my favourite effect, I nevertheless really like this item. OK, so it may be slightly overpriced and I did have to customise mine a bit to make it workable (why it can't be made in black I'll never know!!) but nevertheless I have used this a lot and believe it to be a very useful utility item.

I'd also have to agree with João Miranda. I too really do not like flight 204. The vanish is very effective but it is not new. And the reproduction on the necklace is in my opinion extremely unusable. If you thought that the hook up of the traditional ring flight could not be relied upon you would be wise to avoid flight 204. I played with this effect for a while and my eventual conclusions were that the the only way to do this is to use a coin instead of the ring and get it to reappear in a different way...in other words perform the coin vanish as it was originally intended to be performed. I've read pages and pages of good reviews of this product. Me, I give it a big thumbs down. Each to his own I guess.
Message: Posted by: TiendaMagia (Jun 13, 2003 08:11PM)
Talking about bad videos...

Peki and the art of floating.
Message: Posted by: Adam V (Jun 13, 2003 08:38PM)
Chris,

I totally agree with you on the Golden Key. It's just a cheap knock-off of Kineti Key Jnr which doesn't even work. But how can you hate the Mental Photography deck? It's brilliant!
Message: Posted by: carly (Jun 13, 2003 09:52PM)
flight 204:it´s not the worst one, but it´s very bad.
Message: Posted by: R2 (Jun 13, 2003 10:09PM)
I don't know if this was an item someone with welding skills crafted himself or if it was an actual effect marketed by someone...?

I saw it at a magic auction...

It is a strap which fastens around your waist....on the front of the strap near your belly was a shelf wich you could rest things such as a bottle on in (load mode) for an easy steal...

The biggest problem was that you would look extremely fat whilst wearing this prop....

If you didn't have anything resting on the shelf it looked like you had a right angle sticking out of your belly....

Some schmo placed a forty-dollar bid for it and "Won" it?

Does anyone know of this device?
rr
Message: Posted by: David Bard (Jun 13, 2003 10:10PM)
It may not be the [i]worst[/i] item I ever bought, but it was certainly the most expensive piece of bad magic that I ever bought.

T'Ang Dynasty Tea Chest by Collector's Workshop. I paid $110.00 USD for it and had to trade it along with several other effects that, while not exactly bad, I didn't use anymore (total cost to me around $240.00) to my local magic shop for $100.00 in store credit.

And so far one of the items that I've gotten with that credit has turned out to be a dog for me as well. Hold on a sec while I don the asbestos underwear... I'm not too thrilled with my Stars & Hexes. If anyone wants to buy it I'll entertain offers. It's unused.
Message: Posted by: Joao Miranda (Jun 13, 2003 10:41PM)
[quote]
On 2003-05-31 13:03, cardfreakhk wrote:
This is the Golden Thread!
OH... Miranda, you are the first to give that everyone-like-it-a-lot routine a bad review! Could you please give some points?

Is it just you? Or some problems with it?

Michael Lam :heckno:
[/quote]

As you can see if you read some posts in this topic are three persons saying that the trick is VERY bad.

First, the gimmick is visible. And it MUST be invisible.
Second, the method used is very hard to do.
And third, the video clip of the trick has a bad quality, so you can´t see the gimmick.
Is the kind of things that LOOK awesome and are just crap.
I would PAY to see ANY magician fool a lay audience with it.

Really impratical for real world...

:fruity:
Message: Posted by: SGMagician (Jun 14, 2003 12:43AM)
The worst tricks I have ever purchased are TRUE FLY & SYMNERGY!! They are poorly produced booklets and variations of old tricks that are found in other sources. They win the "worst trick" title hands down!
Message: Posted by: kaitou (Jun 14, 2003 02:00AM)
hm, I'd say anything from Downloadmagic.com
The descriptions are desceptive, the levitations -extremely- limited and contrived, in fact, Easy Float can -NOT- be done without giving away the effect once you take the floated card off (and I wouldn't bother floating two cards as one, it's just a sad little trick) Same for Magician's Levitation, nearly as bad. These can be interesting "tips" in a magazine, or article, but not stand-alone effects that you cough up money for.

I do like the T.T. though, never had any problems with it, probably depends how annoying your audience is trying to be, a smart comeback could fix the "if you are a mentalist, read my mind without the wallet" : "Sorry, nothing else left to read" or "There's a one reading per person clause in my contract", depends the reaction you want to get out of them.
Message: Posted by: Mehtas (Jun 14, 2003 05:18AM)
Keep the thread going :thumbsup:

Add two more item to the worst tricks

Bleached & Four Gone ,

Both items by Peter Duffie .






:band:
Message: Posted by: Iain Moran (Jun 14, 2003 09:17AM)
I really didn't like Impossible Twist from JB Magic at all really. Guy Hollingworth's version is MUCH, MUCH better, and in some ways easier too.

Didn't care much for ACME Portable Hole either, for that matter. Another case of an effect looking much better on video, than in actual performance.

Iain.
Message: Posted by: magicxman (Jun 14, 2003 11:03AM)
Lian,

I agree with you,I also don't like Impossible Twist from JB Magic .

Impossible Twist from JB Magic is the worst trick in my drawer.
Message: Posted by: jbadman (Jun 14, 2003 11:39AM)
Topsy - HAVE to disagree with you about 'Bleached' - on the contrary I think it's an absolute stunner. Gets superb reactions. You sure you read the instructions right ?!

Jamie.
Message: Posted by: Mehtas (Jun 14, 2003 12:34PM)
jbadman,

There are already heaps full of packet tricks around , Bleached might not be the best of em ,

O well, its just me ;)
Message: Posted by: Devils Advocaat (Jun 14, 2003 01:37PM)
[quote]
On 2003-06-01 21:46, Nick23 wrote:
Its interesting that no one has mentioned a book or video... It just proves what better value they are.
[/quote]

...How about 'Pure Effect' then? Pure garbage more like. Nothing of any interest whatsoever here. And while I'm at it, 13 Steps. Yes, you read that correctly. It was dated when I bought my first copy (1985) and it's even more dated now.

Frank. :readingbook:
Message: Posted by: joseph (Jun 14, 2003 03:08PM)
Just think about how many more magicians would have been burnt, broke, and angry, after purchasing the above mentioned tricks, if it hadn't been for on line demos, the internet, and great websites like this? Scary..... :mad: :o:
Message: Posted by: Mehtas (Jun 14, 2003 03:30PM)
Joseph,

it work TWO ways ,

Magicians LOVE this thread,

Dealers HATE this thread ;)


:bigdance: :yippee:
Message: Posted by: truthteller (Jun 14, 2003 03:36PM)
Actually, all the things you just listed are the cause of the problem, not just its solution.

Before online demos, websites, and the internet you had to go to a magic shop to buy your supplies. There you saw a live demonstration and could actually receive feedback about the item from someone who knew you and your skill levels.

Of course there were mail order houses, but even then the items they carried were the ones which sold successfuly in live demos as well as the catalog print. Further, you had a relationship with your mail order dealer who learned your taste as well as your skill level.

Today the internet has produced a plethora of would be magicians all eager to make a buck with their latest and greatest offering. This has lead to some fabulous young stars, as well as derivitave hacks.

Yes, it is great that we have a forum in which honest opinions can be exchanged. And yes these forums do save us all some dough. But if it weren't for the readily available access of information, and the anonymous marketing and sales channels of the 21st Century, most of these problems would be moot.

Now back to our regularly scheduled program.
Message: Posted by: Chance Wolf (Jun 14, 2003 04:09PM)
[quote]
On 2003-06-14 16:30, Topsy wrote:
Joseph,

it work TWO ways ,

Magicians LOVE this thread,

Dealers HATE this thread ;)

:bigdance: :yippee:
[/quote]
This statement is probably TRUE for the most part. However, I think I would be considered a Dealer/Manufacturer and I LOVE this forum. It gives me an opportunity to "pitch" and idea in Beta-Test form then decide if it is worthy of release. Unfortunatley, this is what seperates me and other Creators from the pack who are out just to make the quick buck. Personally, I want to be remembered for the Quality and Originality I have added to the world of Magic rather than the the amount of Money I stuffed into my bank account.
Long live Freedom of Opinion and Honesty in Advertising.
I am not sure if I posted, earlier, the Worst Trick I have ever purchased...hmmm..propbably 95% of the junk I bought in the 80's. Too much to list and they all stunk so bad that I can't list just one.
Take care,
Chance Wolf
Message: Posted by: BIlly James (Jun 15, 2003 12:52AM)
I have to agree with Frank and say that Pure Effect was the most expensive multi-leaf pad of toilet paper I ever bought.
Message: Posted by: Bill Cushman (Jun 15, 2003 05:53AM)
Frank and Billy,

Just curious, are either of you mentalists?

Bill
Message: Posted by: mike stevenson (Jun 15, 2003 06:04AM)
Devil's Advocaat wrote:

"How about 'Pure Effect' then? Pure garbage more like. Nothing of any interest whatsoever here. And while I'm at it, 13 Steps." :wow:

What don't you like about them? These two books have given me more information than the rest of my collection! I don't understand, 13 steps gives you just that, 13 steps to becoming a proficient mentalist. And Pure Effect is self-explanatory, a book which focuses on the Effect and how to give your spectators something special.
Message: Posted by: Ron Giesecke (Jun 15, 2003 10:35AM)
[quote]
On 2003-05-22 03:21, tdowell wrote:
Coin Matrix 2003
("oh don't worry about those, that's just some spare close up pad patches, just in case I burn it with my cigarette")

[/quote]

That is truly funny. I laughed out loud. Thanks for the good tag :lol:
Message: Posted by: Joao Miranda (Jun 15, 2003 10:40AM)
Also I must say that one of the worst tricks I ordered is Peter Marvey Card thru Window...
But ring flight 204 is first. :mad: :mad:
Message: Posted by: mafedi (Jun 15, 2003 11:12AM)
ring flight, no doubt at all
Message: Posted by: Joao Miranda (Jun 15, 2003 11:19AM)
As everyone can see most people doesn´t like flight 204.
Iam being persistant with this to say: Save your money. :bg:
Message: Posted by: owen.daniel (Jun 15, 2003 11:22AM)
I think what Devil's Advocaat said about these books is unfare, personally i would never perform any of the tricks mentioned in Pure Effect (except one), but what about the parts about the Velvet Turnover (which i now in my Ambitious Card routine).
The routine i mentioned above as being the one i do perform from it is Zamiels Card, actually i lie, i perform Zamiel's Rose which is shown on The Devils Picture Book, i found the book of great assistance when learning the Figaro Transfer.

I also have a copy of 13 Steps which although harldy one of my favourites contains some very good magic. The chapter on billets is great and some of the routines are worth performing.

My personal dislike is Pop-N-Corn by Kevin James.
I am sure that many of you will disagree with this choice, and it is not that it is not a good trick, but i can't imagine my self ever using it.
The Exhaustible sponge on the other hand is a brilliant trick it's just a shame it is so expensive for what you get.
:wow: :wow: Owen :wow: :wow:
Message: Posted by: Devils Advocaat (Jun 15, 2003 06:34PM)
[quote]
On 2003-06-15 06:53, Bill Cushman wrote:
Frank and Billy,

Just curious, are either of you mentalists?

Bill
[/quote]

Hi Bill,

I can't vouch for Billy, but I've been mental for many years now. No, honest. I do have a strong leaning towards 'mentalism' but found the 'Pure Effect' book to be somewhat lacking. I think it was grossly miss-touted in fact. A bit like 'The Paul Daniels' Big Book of Comedy Magic'. :readingbook:

Frank. :devilish:

[quote]
On 2003-06-15 12:22, owen.daniel wrote:
I think what Devil's Advocaat said about these books is unfair, personally I would never perform any of the tricks mentioned in Pure Effect (except one)...
[/quote]

Riiiiiight. So, you, er, think my view was unfair and yet you seem to agree... :worry:

Frank. :devilish:

[quote]
On 2003-06-15 07:04, mike stevenson wrote:

What don't you like about them? These two books have given me more information than the rest of my collection! I don't understand, 13 steps gives you just that, 13 steps to becoming a proficient mentalist. And Pure Effect is self-explanatory, a book which focuses on the Effect and how to give your spectators something special.
[/quote]

My main dislike, if you will, with '13 Steps' is that it needs updating drastically. Or just 'modernising' it would do. A few photos instead of those old, old line drawings maybe?


Frank. :devilish:
Message: Posted by: Bill Cushman (Jun 16, 2003 12:50AM)
Frank,

What I found so valuable about Pure Effectw were the essays, not the effects per se. The first 50 pages were full of valuable information that can radically alter how we view and subsequently perform mentalism (and magic for that matter as well, but let's stay with mentalism).

Then, in Part Three, the chapter on Invisible Compromise and, especially, "You Are Supposed To Be Reading Minds," were among the most thought provoking and stimulating material I've ever read on mentalism. Totally unique.

Not to say that other authors don't provide good information but Brown's ideas are radical and that is something our field can always benefit from. I know I can and did.

We have more than enough effects and while I can be just as guilty as the next guy to falling prey to what Eugene Burger aptly refers to as "the tyranny of the new," my best efforts are spent improving what I already have and creating innovative and gripping routines. Even when I didn't agree with Brown's answers, his questions are the ones most in need of asking. They led me to my own answers and that is, to coin a phrase, "priceless."

You say it was mistouted. I don't even recall how it was advertised other than I was told that it would change the way I looked at performing. And that is just what I have experienced. Pure Effect addresses the big questions. There are other fine books of effects and great books that focus on routining and other aspects of theory. But few, if any, quite like Pure Effect. I can't help but wonder if the advertising led you to believe that after reading it, you would know all the secrets to Brown's effects and feel it was mistouted because that was not the emphasis. The emphasis was how to transform your performances at a far deeper level than can be achieved by learning the latest hot trick.

Now for Corinda. If you simply want tricks, again, this isn't what 13 steps is about, though many excellent ones are there. It covers, in depth, the techniques you need to know to perform mentalism. It gathers in one book the basics that so much of our art is based on. In this way it provides a foundation on which to build as well as a reference source to return to when you decide to tackle a new skill.

I have an extensive library on mentalism. Even so,there is material I've only seen mentioned as asides in other books that have entire chapters devoted to them in 13 Steps.

You say your main complaint is that it needs updating or modernizing and that you would like the "old,old line drawings" replaced with photos. This is a book that is mainly text, there aren't even that many illustrations in the first place! And the ones that are there, though old, are high quality.

You say you have a, "strong leaning towards 'mentalism'" Why the quotes? That usually suggests that the author intends a different meaning than is commonly accepted. I'm not putting you down at all, so please don't interpret this or the above as criticism, but I get a sense that what you describe as mentalism is more akin to what mentalists call mental magic. If I'm wrong, I apologize in advance.

If you want to move from leaning to diving full in, re-read both of these books. They both have so much to offer that I can't help but feel you will be missing so much if you so easily dismiss them.

With Good Thoughts,

Bill
Message: Posted by: magic1178 (Jun 16, 2003 03:43AM)
Thought I'd vent as well:)

Afterburn-flaming business card

King Rising-levitation

Matrix 2003

and last but not least

Watch and Wear-hard to look cool,looking at the watch for a possible 70 seconds.

Opinions are like A-holes,everybody's got one.

Sorry dealers,
I think Im going to go to a site a buy something useless because I feel guilty now.

David Blaine's book on witty patter and amusing ancedotes(bad spelling,I think) here I come. :firedevil:
Message: Posted by: justin88 (Jun 16, 2003 03:56AM)
The worst tricks are from symmatrix,specially smynergy trick .That is a joke.Really really bad.Should be taken off the market!!
Message: Posted by: jimesw (Jun 16, 2003 10:48AM)
I wish to change my worst trick ever purchased from penomenon to 'Float' by JB Magic. What was I thinking? Penomenon is sheer genius when compared with the steaming pile of pants called 'Float.'



:fruity: :nana: :cry: :cry: :(
Message: Posted by: Redneck (Jun 16, 2003 03:25PM)
Meir Yedid's, "Zinger"

As well as any trick that uses the "black on back of card" priciple (Henry Evans & others)

As well as almost any trick that relies on invisible threads (which are usually not invisible and seem to break a lot!)
Message: Posted by: Ozer4 (Jun 16, 2003 03:54PM)
[quote]
On 2003-06-14 16:36, truthteller wrote:

Before online demos, websites, and the internet you had to go to a magic shop to buy your supplies. There you saw a live demonstration and could actually receive feedback about the item from someone who knew you and your skill levels.

Of course there were mail order houses, but even then the items they carried were the ones which sold successfuly in live demos as well as the catalog print. Further, you had a relationship with your mail order dealer who learned your taste as well as your skill level.


[/quote]

Before the internet, some people had to travel quite a ways to make it to a magic shop, and even then, it was based on how good your magic shop was and how good some of the performers were in terms of what magic you learned. I think the beauty of the internet is you can now email the creator of an effect and ask them a question or watch a live demo of a trick. That has made magic into a global community.
-Oz
Message: Posted by: truthteller (Jun 16, 2003 10:42PM)
But, as I said, even if you had to travel a long way, and even if you had a poor demonstrator, you still gained up close, first hand information from which to make a decision. In today's world of one camera shots, multiple takes, and crafted angles you are still at a disadvantage when it comes to making wise purchasing decisions.

A further downside is that while everyone in town would monkey their local deomonstrator's presentations, now everyone in the WORLD is parroting whomever is pushing out their latest demo vid. More stock lines, more goofyness, more bad magic.

And while the internet has made it EASIER to email a creator, there were such devices as telephones and pens with paper prior to its creation.

But none of this addresses my point which is that the internet has lead to the creation and distribution of really lousy magic. Yes, in the old days, we had bad magic too. But not nearly as much of it, I contend, because there was more meaningful communication/connection between buyers and sellers.
Message: Posted by: magicpro (Jun 16, 2003 11:45PM)
Worst trick ever was arising card.
Message: Posted by: fhood (Jun 17, 2003 12:40AM)
I spent $10 or so on a "Hot Rod". What an awful, pointless effect. I keep asking myself why I bought one of those things. Does anybody seriously use this piece of equipment for real???
Message: Posted by: Payne (Jun 17, 2003 12:58AM)
[quote]
On 2003-06-17 01:40, fhood wrote:
I spent $10 or so on a "Hot Rod". What an awful, pointless effect. I keep asking myself why I bought one of those things. Does anybody seriously use this piece of equipment for real???
[/quote]

All the time.
Message: Posted by: redstreak (Jun 17, 2003 01:16AM)
I don't own one but I have seen a magi perform it as a demo for a bunch of kids and they loved it. I don't know how it is for adults.
But personally, I would go with the No.2 pencil, it is much better because it changes visually many times. The ending really surprises people.
For some reason, when I saw the hot rod, it seemed lacking in some way. I think because he showed the stick the named color on both sides, then changed it to only one side when he handed it out for examination.
Message: Posted by: Brian Lehr (Jun 17, 2003 01:24AM)
Like we hear over and over, it's all in the presentation. I use the Hot Rod with a cute story that I read a couple of years ago on another forum. Prior to that, I never used it because I knew it was lacking something. Now it plays really well, with an ending that gives a valid reason for both sides being different.

The No. 2 Pencil, on the other hand, strikes me as completely useless. Yet, I read about how many people use it with great success.

Brian
Message: Posted by: Kjellstrom (Jun 17, 2003 02:52AM)
It's strange, after reading all posts in this thread: I have seen many of these effects done by masterful magicians and they were very good, indeed. The point is that its up to the performer as to what the result will be not the prop.
Is it the magician or the prop that makes it the worst? I wonder...?
Message: Posted by: Mehtas (Jun 17, 2003 03:59AM)
[quote]
Is it the magician or the prop that makes it worst? I wonder... [/quote]
YES, but somtimes its the quality and price of the product that makes it worst.

T.
Message: Posted by: joseph (Jun 17, 2003 04:02PM)
After the introduction of Shattered by Wolf's Magic, I think you can safely throw out all the other paddle effects. This is really good. :bg:
Message: Posted by: Zednanreh (Jun 17, 2003 05:25PM)
[quote]
On 2003-06-17 01:40, fhood wrote:
I spent $10 or so on a "Hot Rod". What an awful, pointless effect. I keep asking myself why I bought one of those things. Does anybody seriously use this piece of equipment for real??? [/quote]
The concept behind a Hot Rod powers MANY MANY MANY effects, ie: c**** c******* k*****, the "p***** move". I don't use it, but it is very useful for learning the concept.
- Alex
PS. Sorry about censoring, but I want to protect the secrets.
Message: Posted by: John Clarkson (Jun 17, 2003 06:29PM)
[quote]
On 2003-06-17 18:25, Zednanreh wrote:

The concept behind a Hot Rod powers MANY MANY MANY effects, ie: c**** c******* k*****, the "p***** move". I don't use it, but it is very useful for learning the concept.

- Alex

PS. Sorry about censoring, but I want to protect the secrets.
[/quote]D**'* w**** a**** it. Alex, the s****** a** s***!

:nose:
Message: Posted by: Chance Wolf (Jun 17, 2003 06:45PM)
Joseph,
Thanks for the plug! I have to agree in all modesty. I will acknowledge that many magicians may have found some way to routine and entertain with the typical Hot-Rod but I really dig the "Shattered" effect myself and use it often.
Thanks again,
Chance Wolf
Message: Posted by: cardfreakhk (Jun 17, 2003 07:40PM)
This thread seems to never end. :angel:
Are there so many bad effects??

Michael Lam
Message: Posted by: Andrew Wong (Jun 17, 2003 08:48PM)
Yes, there are always some bad effects and poorly made gimmicks!!!
Message: Posted by: cardfreakhk (Jun 17, 2003 08:52PM)
Yes, Yes, Yes!!! They are all in my drawers!!!
I want to sell them all, but don't want to hurt others. I am too warm-hearted.

Michael Lam :bg:
Message: Posted by: mentomas (Jun 17, 2003 09:02PM)
[quote]
On 2003-06-17 02:24, blehr wrote:

The No. 2 Pencil, on the other hand, strikes me as completely useless. Yet, I read about how many people use it with great success.

Brian[/quote]
I think exactly like you, am I stupid?
Message: Posted by: marko (Jun 17, 2003 09:54PM)
What strikes you as useless about the No. 2 Pencil? It's basically a paddle trick but applied to a familiar object. It's pretty deceptive IMO, and the ending is surprising. This is much more natural and convincing than odd, unfamiliar objects like tiny paddles and Hot Rods.
Message: Posted by: BIlly James (Jun 18, 2003 05:00AM)
"Frank and Billy,

Just curious, are either of you mentalists?

Bill "

Sorry, this is from over the page but in answer to your question, yes I am a Mentalist. I have a wide and varied library of Mentalism resources but Pure Effect is no longer one of them. I literally threw this book in the garbage. As I've mentioned elsewhere I found the book to be well written but ultimately the most useless thing I have ever purchased.

13 steps, on the other hand, is a gold mine and I have adapted several items from this wonderful book and I still use them and probably always will.

Cheers

Billy
Message: Posted by: David Bard (Jun 18, 2003 08:09AM)
[quote]I think the beauty of the internet is you can now email the creator of an effect and ask them a question or watch a live demo of a trick. That has made magic into a global community.[/quote]
Although the problem with online demos (some of yours included) is that they tip the method. Once that happens a lot of the younger, spur of the moment purchasers, are put off on buying the trick so in the end you may be doing yourself a disservice by putting up "less than stellar" demos.
Message: Posted by: Vilago (Jun 18, 2003 03:42PM)
Worst trick I ever had was a minature Asrah bought from Abbott's when I was around 12 (of course, I had no one around to advise me then on trick selections) : )

The thread was the thickness of a shoelace, and the gimmick was obvious and impossible to work with.
Message: Posted by: oagwood (Jun 19, 2003 01:50AM)
Not necessarily the worst but pretty darn close.

Mental Monte, put out by magiceffex.com is junk. The gimmick is junk and doesn't stay on. They say toy around with the amount of moisture you put on it, and I have, I spit on it, its junk.

They also put out an item called Psycho Ball. This was supposed to be a ball that sat atop a little pedastal and by using the power of your mind it would fall off. It never worked right for me and eventually all of the fluid leaked out. I hope its not toxic, and I feel poisoned for having purchased it.

I would wager that anything in their line of products is overpriced garbage.

oliver
Message: Posted by: Jim Tighe (Jun 19, 2003 10:15AM)
I bought Marked by Rich Marotta and boy is it useless except for a standard 52 on 1 gag card.

A few years ago I bought something, I think it was called Cocktail Surprise (from Hocus Pocus). The effect was a sucker effect where the color in the panels painted to resemble cocktail glasses would change color and eventaully disappear and for a finale you would pour out real liquid. It was extremely poorly made, very noisy, had construction paper covers, the stands to hold the panels up were hard film sheets rubber-banded together (which wouldn't stay up). It may have been a knockoff of an original well made effect because the way mine worked (or didn't) was a little different from the description in the Hank Lee catalog. Of course it had no instructions either.
Message: Posted by: mr-mystic (Jun 19, 2003 10:25AM)
Any product from JBTV
Message: Posted by: ShizNick (Jun 19, 2003 10:29AM)
mr-mystic,

I wouldn't say that. I think Future Zone, Perfect, Club Sandwhich, and Hole Sensation are Awesome effects. JBTV doesn't make the worst effects, they just sell too much gimmicky stuff.
Message: Posted by: Mehtas (Jun 19, 2003 11:40AM)
Right on,
I would say 80% of JB tricks are very good, and like most dealers in the world, they have some poor stuff as well.

The tricks I like from JB Magic are:

Future Zone
Mirage wallet
Threesome
Flipper Coin
Stretched Coin
Call of the wild (I like this one the most)
Pensensation
and couple more....

The tricks I don't like are:

Float
Alida
Cornered

T.
Message: Posted by: Devils Advocaat (Jun 19, 2003 12:04PM)
[quote]
On 2003-06-16 01:50, Bill Cushman wrote:
...You say you have a, "strong leaning towards 'mentalism'" Why the quotes? That usually suggests that the author intends a different meaning than is commonly accepted. I'm not putting you down at all, so please don't interpret this or the above as criticism, but I get a sense that what you describe as mentalism is more akin to what mentalists call mental magic. If I'm wrong, I apologize in advance....
[/quote]

Hi Bill,

I think you've hit the nail right on the head. I find it extremely hard to pass myself off as being a mentalist when I've just performed a card trick or something, or somebody knows I'm capable of such. I think it's a case of 'one or the other' (magic or mentalism) and not both together. I do believe though that mentalism is 'magic-for-grown-ups'.

When I started out (1974ish) I would buy anything and everything. Now I'm well past that phase I tend to question my purchases all the time. If it looks like a prop, then I leave it alone. This applies both to magic and mentalism.

I suppose at the end of the day I'm not really a 'book-person'. I would rather spend the money on good effects than half-baked ideas, which appear in some of my mentalism books.

Take care, Bill.


Frank.


:devilish:
Message: Posted by: Eddini_81976 (Jul 10, 2003 12:11PM)
I got Penomenon, and the "charger", and I was really disapointed. To me its just not 100% reliable. Also I bought this mentalism/card effect called eXactly, where someone calls out a jumbo card out of 5 an X appears to have been "written" on it in advance. I don't have the Rich Morotta effect "Marked Prediction", but I saw it demo'd and I thought it really sucked badly. I feel sorry for all that bought it.

I think Tenyo's stuff is really ingenious, but I just wish that they were made out of metal or something other than plastic, because they look too much like toys to me. I bought this one effect called "Future Mental" in where supposedly a thought of colored ball disapears from a box out of three balls in total. I like the concept and it is beautifully made, but I just think the handling is too awkward to me. I just think "your hand" looks to suspicious especially the movement during "the move". Maybe there will be an improvement.

My last vote would have to go to John Kennedy's "Jump". I thought, to me at least, that the add was a little misleading. I saw the gimmick, and I'm like "wow people are going to see "this"". I live in New Hampshire so I always go to Hank Lee's. Luckily I was able to get my $90.00 back. I have his mind power deck which I think is brilliant, and I hear his other stuff is great as well, so it was a surprise. I should also mention that I bought "Jump" a few years ago through mail order without seeing it demo'd, Ed, (Eddini). :)
Message: Posted by: mafedi (Jul 10, 2003 09:44PM)
n° 2 pencil
Message: Posted by: ekozuch (Jul 12, 2003 07:32AM)
Once I bought a knife that made the illusions when you pass it on your hand, that it´s cutting your hand and the blood is going out fom the hand.
It was only a knife with a red string
very bad ¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡
Message: Posted by: mwolfire (Jul 12, 2003 08:13AM)
I know it has been said before but it is certainly worth repeating:
Float and Alida
Why ? oh why? oh why? did I buy!
Mark
Message: Posted by: lewis (Jul 12, 2003 08:47AM)
ekozuch, that's Final Cut....I like it!

Lewis.
Message: Posted by: RoyHolidayMagic (Jul 12, 2003 10:54AM)
Pizza to Go by Axtell. What a piece of junk. The effect is good - as described. It seems like the perfect kidshow finale. However, the pizza doesn't remotely resemble pizza, the box is junk, as well as all the apparatus with which it came. When I purchased it, I thought it would be good (I am a happy owner of their Drawing Board). Oh well; you win some, you lose some.
Message: Posted by: Augustus Rapp (Jul 12, 2003 04:11PM)
Maybe I missed it, but I can't believe no one has mentioned that steaming pile of dog poop called "Killer Red Caps". You got a bag full of caps like the type you find on the top of WD-40 with the instructions to have a spectator place a ring under one while your back was turned and then you turn around and psychically ferret out which one it was under. If the lighting was too poor you couldn't find it. If the lighting was just right eveyone could find it.
Pure Garbage! :mad:
AR
Message: Posted by: Larry Barnowsky (Jul 12, 2003 04:17PM)
that steaming pile of dog poop called "Killer Red Caps".

You were too kind in your praise for that overhyped, and underwhelming piece of ----.
I bought my cheap on Ebay and sold it soon after at no loss. If you still have your set you can use the cups to hold eyewash which you will need after straining your eyes trying to see the "shade".
Message: Posted by: Gianni (Jul 13, 2003 09:30PM)
'that steaming pile of dog poop called "Killer Red Caps".

Yes, yes. Could not agree more. My struggle, however, is how Mike Close gave it such a shining review. I enjoy and respect Mike Close's reviews. He gave this effect an absolutely tremendous review. Based on this I bought it and was slack-jawed in disbelief at what a pile of _______ this was. This, in my opinion, is one of the effects that challenge the notion that one man's meat is another man's poison - this appears to be an item that would poison anyone.

Gianni
Message: Posted by: Mehtas (Jul 14, 2003 04:24AM)
Killer Red Caps. So far I use them to store safty pins and rubberbands :)

Boy, these days they can make magic out of anything, Bulldog clips, hatpins, earplugs , nuts and bolts and lots of other things.

I can't believe that I bought KRC.
Message: Posted by: Mindbender (Apr 16, 2004 12:39AM)
A few recent duds have been Rich Marotta's Marked Prediction (mentioned several times already) & Thought Transfer, by Magiceffex.
Message: Posted by: brainman (Apr 16, 2004 03:01PM)
Impossible devination
Message: Posted by: Mehtas (Apr 16, 2004 03:49PM)
Im glad this thread is up again.

Sure you guys bought some crap past few months ??


Mine is KLONDIKE COIN MYSTERY by Eddie Gibson.
Melt Thru by Mark Leveridge .
Vox Box .
Message: Posted by: Joseph Martin (Apr 16, 2004 03:56PM)
Alida
Message: Posted by: MagicCarisio (Apr 16, 2004 06:18PM)
"Killer Red caps" UGH!!!
Gerard
Message: Posted by: truthteller (Apr 16, 2004 06:53PM)
I know at least three trade show guys who use the Killer Red Caps to considerable effect. I, modestly, am one of them. In fact, I used it to land a client and performed it at 6 shows over that year. The audiences did NOT stumble on to the method.

To the poster who said, "if the lighting is right, everyone can see it," or something to that effect, you are, respectfully, wrong. If that is the case, then the lighting is wrong for the object being used. Also, the use of a ring is a little too pronounced. There are better objects. I used to practice with a quarter. Both the girl I was seeing at the time and myself became very accurate though not 100% with the coin. However, when you switched to a different object, yet still much smaller than the ring, you will find the method both successful and deceptive.

I think the reason most people did not care for the caps is because they did not work with them or excersize a little thought. I spent at least a month with them, and from that developed a routine with many layers of deception even more than that included in the instructions. The caps are a tool, a small part of your arsenal. I don't think you can buy something on ebay, play with it a week, and be able to form any real conclusions as to it's efficacy in the real world.
Message: Posted by: Karl Miller (Apr 16, 2004 07:18PM)
Truthteller:
Well spoken! Now you know four people who use the Caps professionally =). It is a great crowd-builder or a great closer. It is extremely versatile. I am glad so many people have played with them and then got rid of them! The lighting problem is a very minor drawback of this routine. I get incredible reactions with this routine. Looks like we have a pretty exclusive trick in our arsenals, looking at all of the negative reviews it has gotten from people on this forum.
Message: Posted by: Jordini (Apr 16, 2004 07:29PM)
Anything by Peter Marvey.
Message: Posted by: Rennie (Apr 16, 2004 08:56PM)
Killer Red Caps also gets my vote as the worse trick I ever purchased. Cannot understand the good review they got either. I would much rather have the cans of WD-40 that the caps were on than the trick itself.
At least I could use the WD-40 to lude by squeaky garage door.
Rennie
Message: Posted by: WayneNZ (Apr 16, 2004 09:07PM)
Silver Shifter , nice idea , but the end result
was poor.
Message: Posted by: Richard Lucas (Apr 16, 2004 10:02PM)
Cardian Angel (from Hell!) a piece of junk - after buying you are told that you need intimate information of the spectator.

Die Cypher II.- A rip off stating you do not need to touch it to determine what number is showing. This is not true and they do not show how to do it without showing.

WHEN IT COMES TO PENGUIN CAVEAT EMPTOR!!
Message: Posted by: bblumen (Apr 17, 2004 01:59PM)
Die Cypher II a rip-off? Two words...Shadow Principle.

Brian B
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Apr 17, 2004 05:34PM)
Worst tricks I ever bought were: Braco's Floating "ball", hey, it's not even a BALL in the first place, this thing reeks to high heaven,

Second on the list, is Alida. Man, Ben can stuff this in his ear! I can get a million of these things at the factory where I work for FREE!!

Fearsons "Insertion" this is so flimsy that there is noway to pull it off convincingly.

Fearsons Fantastic Floatation. Here's one that takes a genius to figure out the instructions and construct.

Float. What a laugh. "Hey!! The card is sticking to your fingers!' "No, it's floating you idiot, don't you know real magic when you see it?"

Chameleon cards, the props are gorgeous, but infortunately, because Duvivier speaks BROKEN english, you can't decipher them, thus rendering the effect worthless.

Cream. A transformation of a small bill into a million dollar bill or whatever. The trick is probably good, but I'll never know, because my 49 year old eyes can't make heads or tails of the tiny little photos in the instructions.


Vanishing card stack. After the stack vanishes, leaving you with one deck in your hands, the gimmick is so large it protrudes out the sides of the remaining card box, thus giving the effect away.

Ring in lightbulb. Imported, even!! But it's obvious to a two year old that the ring is not really in the lightbulb.

Same problem with an effect called "Trick Tac"

Emporer's New Clothes. The printing job on these leaves much to be desired. Naked King, my butt.

Double Dribble. They lied!! You have to be Arnold to be able to stuff two of those basketballs in a standard briefcase.

Silver Shifter. Do you enjoy silver colored fingers? My son instantly figured out the effect the first time he saw it. Then, they have the gall to tell you this is a "Hollywood Special Effect" That's a joke! Hollywood would laugh at this!! I bought this at Abbott's annual flea market and auction, and it is gathering fleas right now. It's a dog.


Those are a few. I'll think of more later.
Message: Posted by: CardMaker (Apr 17, 2004 05:38PM)
My vote: (absolutely personal and from a German's point of view)
- Silver Shifter (not in any way looking like a Kennedy Half 1964)
- Just Passin' Thru (WE don't have that large pencils)
- XPert (just not MY style)
- Any Rough&Smooth card tricks (not that reliable...)
- well, have to check my magic drawer for future ebay items to offer...

MY one and only personal opinion!
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Apr 17, 2004 05:53PM)
You also thought the Silver Shifter Half looked fake? Kind of like a piece of rubber, maybe?
Message: Posted by: Jeff J. (Apr 17, 2004 05:56PM)
The worst tricks are anything by Michael Ammar or Bill Malone !

OK...Hold off the hate mail, I'm just kidding. They are the best.

I can't really pick a worst trick. I have bought some stinkers and then found a use for them.

I would have to say the worst thing are magicians who put out the same tricks on different videos or as single effects and waste my money.
Message: Posted by: truthteller (Apr 17, 2004 08:19PM)
Though originally a great trick, Brian Geer released a knock off version of the Teytelbaum Stop Light paddle trick that was horendous. Not only was the quality of the prop terrible, but the instructions were completely undecipherable. Heaven forbid you didn't know the paddle move going into it, or you would have had NO chance. I was familar with the Teytelbaum routine, but having looked at Brian's instructions, I was at a loss of trying to piece the handling back together.

Of course, Brian realized thhow bad the instructions were and issued a companion video to make up for them. Crassly, he SOLD the video at an extra charge.

Bad, bad, bad.
Message: Posted by: Glenn Alloway (Apr 17, 2004 08:53PM)
Mysterious smoke from fingers.

This is a goo. It does not smoke. It produces stringy, stinky, messy goo. It stains. Not worth the three dollars.
Message: Posted by: rmendez (Apr 17, 2004 08:59PM)
The most valuable lesson I've learned over time and after spending a fortune on magic is that if it sounds too good to be true, it usually is (with some rare exceptions of course). Rarely will I purchase anything without seeing it performed first even if its nothing more than a demo clip. To me, if it is convincing enough to fool me on video then the effect can be humanly achieved if the performer is willing to put in the time and effort it requires. Usually the only effects I buy and perform anymore are classics of magic or derivatives thereof. Remember classics are classics for a reason.
Message: Posted by: Eddini_81976 (Apr 18, 2004 12:01AM)
[quote]
On 2004-04-17 14:59, bblumen wrote:
Die Cypher II a rip-off? Two words...Shadow Principle.

Brian B
[/quote]

Shadow Principle? I (HAD) the trick once but still didn't know what the "Shadow Principle" meant. Thanks, Ed, (Eddini).
Message: Posted by: DarryltheWizard (Apr 18, 2004 01:34AM)
After having read this thread, I have a roomful of props that I don't use. Most of the things I don't use look too propy , plastic-looking, too bulky. I believe that if you were the one that invented these effects ,it would probably be a miracle in your hands. If the trick were that good, then you wouldn't be advertising it. The magic is not in the device , but in the deceptionist. Dan Harlan's starcle only requires a cheap paper napkin, yet with the right music and routine , it is a truly great performance piece-one that I use in every show. The worst: Mikame's pom-pom stick does not work smoothly; I bought a vanishing milk carton effect and when I tilted the container a white painted wooden dowel made its untimely appearance. I laughed hysterically when I realized I paid $20.00 U.S. for this! The most deceptive vanishing milk is on Harlan's Play Big Pack Small Birthday tape. I should have believed that 90 year old magician who only performed 6 tricks in his lifetime-all classics of magic. It's too late now, for every time I go to the washroom , I have to move over a giant monstrosity of a square circle to use the toilet!
Darryl the Unwise Wizard
Message: Posted by: RandyM (Apr 18, 2004 01:34AM)
DaffyDoug... You're killing me!!!! LMAO!!! I needed a good laugh!
Message: Posted by: rannie (Apr 18, 2004 07:20AM)
I was dissapointrd with IMPOSIBLE DEVINATION.
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Apr 18, 2004 10:25AM)
Randy,

Heck I don't even know what I said that was funny!

I feel like Rodney "I get no respect. I was so poor as a kid, I had to slide down the hill on my brother!

My wife likes to talk during sex...she called me from her hotel room...

I went to the proctologist...he stuck his finger in my mouth!...

I opened the door on Halloween...the kids gave ME candy!

This morning after I shaved I told my wife I feel ten years younger...she said why don't you shave at night?

When I played in the sandbox, the cats kept covering me up...

My parents hated me....my bath toys were a toaster and a hair dryer...

My wife and I were happy for twenty years...then we met.

I asked my old man if I could go ice skating on the lake...he told me wait till it gets warmer.

NOW I'm funny!!!

But seriously folks, there's nothing funny about being ripped off by a magic dealer. Nothing funny at all.
Message: Posted by: eryanic (Apr 18, 2004 10:48AM)
Invisible hole and mini chop cups by magicaffex....

backs to the future by randy walkman was pretty dissapointing too..
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Apr 18, 2004 10:56AM)
I just remembered...Cobra Tie!! Boy was that ever dumb. Anybody here get stung with that clunker??

Do you want to take mine off my hands??
Message: Posted by: Christopher (Apr 18, 2004 01:33PM)
I had the cobra tie for about a week. Never could figure out how to perform it properly without looking like an idiot.
Message: Posted by: Jared (Apr 18, 2004 03:55PM)
I'd have to say that, Ben Harris' Alida was probably my worst purchase ever. The sad part was that I actually saw a live demonstration of it at Hank Lee's before buying it. Rule of thumb: NEVER GO TO A DRINKING ESTABLISHMENT BEFORE VISITING A MAGIC SHOP.... After this humiliating experience I realized that it's time to seek professional help.

There should also be a written law in the magic community that states, if someone markets a universally recognized piece of garbage, then the inventor should be either given a choice of not being allowed to market anything for a minimum 2-years (probation) or forced to refund every penny to the customers he/she stole from.

-Jared
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Apr 18, 2004 05:26PM)
Boy Jared, I'll second that idea!

Christopher, I hear what you are saying about the Cobra Tie. Sounds really great in the adds, but when you get it and try to learn to work it, I'm like, you mean I have to PULL on this thing and NOT let anybody see what I'm doing? Talk about your angle problems!

And as far as what Jared said about Alida, I never got drunk, but it still seems silly to me. If you have a half a brain, you gotta think "Umm, is their a SLIGHT possibility that someone might bend their neck and look UNDER this card? Then what? "Hey! He's got an e----ug under the card!!!" (spoken in a loud enough voice to wake the dead, of course) Does anybody realize that at that time you automatically look like a doofus, and become an instant LAUGHING STOCK?

It's no wonder we magicians are gun shy about what we purchase from the dealers.

Hey! I just thought about another clunker that I got hooked in to buying. It's called "The spring" In glorious terms the add describes how you can draw a spring in the palm of your hand, and then poke pencils, keys, whatever into your closed fist, and they JUMP out several feet into the air.

HA! What a crock! What you get in reality is a the most used utility device in magic, which I can't say the name of, because I'll TIP it off, but normally this device would get two THUMBS up. Anyway, the device has as it's modus operandi something else which I'm not allowed to say, because you guys might all BAND around me, and choke me for letting out this wonderful "secret"

Anyway, the bottom line is this: IT DON'T WORK! The pen or whatever always slips past the secret device, and just sits there motionless.

This is a good way for the dealers to suck at least eight bucks out of your pocket.

Uggghh.
Message: Posted by: el toro (Apr 19, 2004 07:46AM)
[quote]
On 2004-04-17 18:38, CardMaker wrote:
My vote: (absolutely personal and from a German's point of view)
- Silver Shifter (not in any way looking like a Kennedy Half 1964)
- Just Passin' Thru (WE don't have that large pencils)
- XPert (just not MY style)
- Any Rough&Smooth card tricks (not that reliable...)
- well, have to check my magic drawer for future ebay items to offer...

MY one and only personal opinion!
[/quote]

So you think invisible deck is one of your worst purchases ? I can`t agree on that one. I have bought a bunch of tricks that I never have performed and never will. The worst was maybe a gaffed deck called " Sneak-a-peek" from Penguin.
Message: Posted by: Rennie (Apr 19, 2004 08:59AM)
I just remembered another jem that I purchased about 25 years ago from Paul Diamond's Magic Shop.
It was called ( I believe ) Phantom Coin by Russ Burns, it involved a weird hook-up that ran a cable ( similar to a bicycle brake cable )up one sleeve and down the other sleeve.The portion sticking out of the sleeve had magicians wax on it and the other end had a loop. What the effect was, you had a half dollar placed on the part with the wax and with your other hand you could manipulate the coin to the end of your fingetips or make the coin appear on top of a fan of cards.After making the coin appear in your hand or on the cards, you pulled on the cable with the other hand to make it go up your sleeve to complete the vanish.Trust me this was a PIP.I even mentioned it to Paul when he was lecturing here, he said "you are not doing it right " yeh right..
Rennie
Message: Posted by: Larry Barnowsky (Apr 19, 2004 01:23PM)
You should have kept it. It sold on Ebay recently for well over a hundred dollars.
Message: Posted by: Ron Crumley (Apr 19, 2004 04:35PM)
Rennie, I was the other person who bought a version of The Phantom Coin!

My only successful performance of this effect took place after days of practice and having all the audience members wear a pirate patch over one eye and closing the other.
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Apr 19, 2004 05:17PM)
Hey Rennie,

I'm glad I am not the only one who purchased that MONSTROSITY from Paul!

The exact name was "Phantom At The Fingertips" Remember now?

Anyway, I was instructed to go out and purchase (Yup, spend MORE money) an archers arm covering. Then I was supposed to take glue and glue the device to that, then after all this rigamarole, you had to fit it on yourself, and hide it under your coat (Yeah, RIGHT!)
and then after all those hours of headaches the %$@&^ thing STILL didn't work.

I can see that you have been in magic a LONG time, Rennie, because that was a LOOONG time back!

You know, that contraption reminds me of something Harry Anderson uses in his act as a comedy gag. He calls it the "Grappler!" Have you ever seen it? It's side splitting funny!
Message: Posted by: truthteller (Apr 19, 2004 05:27PM)
The Grappler is a Keplinger Knee Spread Style Holdout and is/was a tool used by gamblers. It was/is completely deceptive in the right person's "hands."
Message: Posted by: Rennie (Apr 19, 2004 06:23PM)
Larry,
Who paid $100.00 for that ? I have a set of "Killer Red Caps" for sale...

Ron,
Was that thing a joke or what, I bought it without a demo, my mistake.

Daffydoug,
That was it "Phantom at the Fingertips", when I ordered it I expected a small box to be delivered, when it arrived it was unusually large.I opened it and found this coiled cable inside and said "what is this", as you know I found out very quick,spoke to Paul & he just said that I was not standing right ( he was not the friendliest magic dealer as you may know ).
As far as being into magic a looong time, I would have to say yes to that.I believe I purchased that contraption in the mid 70's but had been into magic off and on years before that.
I did learn not to buy any magic without seeing a demo 1st, after this thing.
I believe I did see Harry Anderson do the grappler routine.
Glad I was not the only one suckered into the Phantom.
Rennie
Message: Posted by: Michele (Apr 19, 2004 06:48PM)
Here is my list:

Silver Shifter
Float
Impossible Twist
Flight 204
Matrix 2003
Message: Posted by: SeanJohn (Apr 20, 2004 01:59AM)
For me it's Just Think by Adrian Sullivan
Message: Posted by: ClintonMagus (Apr 20, 2004 07:48AM)
Let me make a suggestion - have a "grab bag" night at your local magic club meeting. Take these tricks that everyone thinks are so awful, put them in individual unmarked bags, let everyone select something, sight unseen, and then give them ten or fifteen minutes to develop a routine and a presentation around the item.

You might be surprised what some of the creative minds can come up with, and you might change your mind about the trick itself.

Amos McCormick
Message: Posted by: Larry Barnowsky (Apr 20, 2004 11:26AM)
Rennie,
I don't remember who or the final price but it was over $100 at least. John Mendoza (Flinnermagic) sold it on Ebay this year.
Message: Posted by: Mehtas (Apr 20, 2004 11:41AM)
[quote]
On 2004-04-20 08:48, amosmc wrote:
You might be surprised what some of the creative minds can come up with, and you might change your mind about the trick itself.[/quote]

And my creative mind says that "Killer Red Caps" can also be used to store small buttons , pins and rubberbands .
Message: Posted by: Rennie (Apr 20, 2004 01:05PM)
Hi Larry,
Just curious , did you ever see this contraption ?It is something else to hook up and use.

Topsy,
I have to agree with you on Killer Red Caps.The old caps out of the Mysto Magic sets with the piece of hair attached to a wooden chess piece was way better than the caps.
Rennie
Message: Posted by: Larry Barnowsky (Apr 20, 2004 03:05PM)
Rennie,
I still have it. I bought it in the late 70s from Paul. I played with it a while. It isn't very practical but it does look OK in the mirror. A lot cheaper than some of the holdouts they sell today. It's not in the same league as Killer Red Caps. That lives in its own category of worthlessness. I do agree with you about the superiority of the fine hair attached to the wooden object hidden under the cap.
Message: Posted by: Rob Johnston (Apr 20, 2004 03:41PM)
I got some stuff in a lot I purchased, including "Acrobatic Matches." That is probably the worst I have ever had.

I didn't buy the lot for that though.
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Apr 20, 2004 09:48PM)
I thought of another couple effects that I purchased that stunk. Both of them came from Tannen's in the seventies. One was called the "Bloomin news" and it was a contraption that was supposed to allow you to tear up a news paper and toss it into the air, and it comes down as a bouquet of spring flowers. Problem was, it DID NOT WORK!! The only thing that came down was torn newspaper pieces and a funky looking contraption.

The other was an effect that they called "Evaporated milk" The effect was that you could show an empty can of "Evaporated Milk", and then blow up a rubber glove into the shape of a cow'a udder and "milk" it into the can. Supposed to be hilarious, it was. In reality, it made me look like a goof ball.

No wonder I grew to despise Tannen's.

Another one I purchased from Tannen's was an effect where a glass "filled" from the top down with red liquid. This was a specially constructed glass with a contraption inside it, and the glass was secretly pre filled with water, and the red liquid was AIRPLANE HYDRAULIC FLUID!! What a stinking mess!! Then to make matters worse, when you ran out of the hyfraulic fluid, all you had to do was run down to your local airport and purchase some more. Yeah RIGHT!!

"Can I help you?" "Yeah, I need a quart of that hydraulic fluid there"

"But you are not a pilot, young man!" "Yeah, I know it, but I am the world's most ingenious magician, and I am going to use it to make a drinking glass magically fill from the top down!"

"Yeah. O. K." Excuse me young man. Hello operator, get me the local funny farm please, I've got a live one here..."

[quote]
On 2004-04-19 14:23, Larry Barnowsky wrote:
You should have kept it. It sold on Ebay recently for well over a hundred dollars.
[/quote]

Wow!!You talk about the old saying "One man's junk!" Geeeese!!
Message: Posted by: the Sponge (Apr 21, 2004 09:45AM)
[quote]
On 2004-04-20 22:48, daffydoug wrote:
Both of them came from Tannen's in the seventies. One was called the "Bloomin news" and it was a contraption that was supposed to allow you to tear up a news paper and toss it into the air, and it comes down as a bouquet of spring flowers. Problem was, it DID NOT WORK!! [/quote]
I have this. I'm sure there's an easier way than this device, but you can use it as a "telegraph to flowers," or I don't tear the paper up completely, in medium pieces then I kinda fold it into a packet.

s
Message: Posted by: Mindbender (Apr 21, 2004 02:06PM)
[quote]
On 2004-04-20 08:48, amosmc wrote:
Let me make a suggestion - have a "grab bag" night at your local magic club meeting. Take these tricks that everyone thinks are so awful, put them in individual unmarked bags, let everyone select something, sight unseen, and then give them ten or fifteen minutes to develop a routine and a presentation around the item.

You might be surprised what some of the creative minds can come up with, and you might change your mind about the trick itself.

Amos McCormick
[/quote]

Cool idea. Another angle would be for club members to collectively brainstorm on how each trick could be improved both in terms of design & presentation. I'm sure it would lead to tons of discussion.

I'm glad I revived this thread after a nine-month pause, since people still seem to have plenty to say.
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Apr 21, 2004 06:27PM)
[quote]
On 2004-04-21 10:45, the Sponge wrote:
[quote]
On 2004-04-20 22:48, daffydoug wrote:
Both of them came from Tannen's in the seventies. One was called the "Bloomin news" and it was a contraption that was supposed to allow you to tear up a news paper and toss it into the air, and it comes down as a bouquet of spring flowers. Problem was, it DID NOT WORK!! [/quote]
I have this. I'm sure there's an easier way than this device, but you can use it as a "telegraph to flowers," or I don't tear the paper up completely, in medium pieces then I kinda fold it into a packet.

s
[/quote]

So you actually got the gol-darned thing to work?? You have my deepest respect!
Message: Posted by: illusions & reality (Apr 21, 2004 07:19PM)
The worst trick I ever purchased was Creamed by Sean Fields. Left handed illustrations and so tiny that it was impossible to read. He never responded to my e-mails for help.
Message: Posted by: Mxn (Apr 21, 2004 08:03PM)
The worst one I've purchased was budha Money trick...it looked neat but it really wasn't worth it...
Message: Posted by: Roth (Apr 22, 2004 03:11AM)
I have to thank you guys.This is by far the most laugh out loud funniest thread yet!
Message: Posted by: Sean Fields (Apr 22, 2004 09:36AM)
Illusions & reality,

I am sorry you did not like CREAM, but in my defense, I have never received an email from you for help. Perhaps you were sending the email to the wrong addy?

Sean
d_v_s1@hotmail.com
Message: Posted by: the Sponge (Apr 22, 2004 10:58AM)
[quote]
So you actually got the gol-darned thing to work?? You have my deepest respect!
[/quote]
LOL, I've also gotten my hand/fingers
smacked pretty hard by the thing!

s
Message: Posted by: Johnnymysto (Apr 22, 2004 11:02AM)
[quote]
On 2004-04-17 21:53, Glenn Alloway wrote:
Mysterious smoke from fingers.

This is a goo. It does not smoke. It produces stringy, stinky, messy goo. It stains. Not worth the three dollars.
[/quote]


HAHAHAH!!!! I'm glad I'm not the only one to buy this crap and then go "what the heck?!?!?" I bought this in elementary school out of a Johnson Smith catalog. I thought I was going to look like a REAL magician - I just looked like a real dummy.
Message: Posted by: funemagic (Apr 22, 2004 02:19PM)
"No Strings Attached" from Penguin Magic
Message: Posted by: hoodrat (Apr 22, 2004 02:26PM)
[quote]
On 2004-04-21 21:03, Mxn wrote:
The worst one I've purchased was budha Money trick...it looked neat but it really wasn't worth it...
[/quote]

The Bhuddah Money Mystery Papers is a great effect! This is truely a case where "less is more!" I have performed this simple effect for friends, and they are literally astounded and dumbfounded when the papers are unfolded to reveal that their item has vanished. All's that left are four sheets of colored paper -- it's visually stunning! Check out the demo on Penguin Magic's website to see this simple yet very baffling effect in operation. For around $5, you cannot go wrong (unlike some effects where one spends around $60 for junk).
Message: Posted by: Roth (Apr 22, 2004 08:33PM)
Excuse me but die cypher2 is a good little trick and the number CAN be determined without ever touching the
prop.re-read the instructions.good luck.
Message: Posted by: Jeff J. (Apr 22, 2004 09:01PM)
[quote]
On 2004-04-22 10:36, Sean Fields wrote:
Illusions & reality,

I am sorry you did not like CREAM, but in my defense, I have never received an email from you for help. Perhaps you were sending the email to the wrong addy?

Sean
d_v_s1@hotmail.com
[/quote]

Sean, there is no need to defend yourself. The person who posted his message, or anyone else for that matter, does not have to contact you before posting their opinion on this free forum.

If you want to debate every person who doesn't like one of your effects, you will be a very busy man.

Let the members here express thier opinions without checking with you first.
Message: Posted by: Steve Hook (Apr 22, 2004 10:08PM)
Ibd1Mon99:

But "Illusions" said he emailed Sean for help and didn't get a response.

Before attacking Sean, maybe you should go back and read the post accurately.

I also don't see Sean (whom I do not know) debating "every person" who doesn't like his trick.

It would be helpful to the tone here if you would lighten up just a bit, yes?

Steve H
Message: Posted by: Rennie (Apr 23, 2004 08:51AM)
[quote]
On 2004-04-22 04:11, Myster wrote:
I have to thank you guys.This is by far the most laugh out loud funniest thread yet!
[/quote]
Myster,
I have to agree, however this thread will help other magic enthusiasts from making the same mistake we made.
Rennie
Message: Posted by: oombob (Apr 23, 2004 10:19AM)
The worst thing I purchased in recent memory would have to be John Kennedy's acrobatic matches. When this was first marketed it was sold using a nice looking "Magic Castle" matchbox. It has since been modified. The matchbox that I received was a plain rather cheap looking box of matches that had this awful looking web patterned tape wrapped around one end of it to supposedly hide the gimmick. I showed the matchbox to my four year old and he immediately asked why there was tape on the box. The routine has also been modified so that instead of using one hand....you now have to use two. This is a great effect rendered unperformable by this Kennedy magic version.
Message: Posted by: the Sponge (Apr 23, 2004 02:37PM)
[quote]
On 2004-04-22 22:01, Ibd1Mon99 wrote:
Sean, there is no need to defend yourself. The person who posted his message, or anyone else for that matter, does not have to contact you before posting their opinion on this free forum.
If you want to debate every person who doesn't like one of your effects, you will be a very busy man.Let the members here express thier opinions without checking with you first.
[/quote]

Ibd1Mon99,

I second the unneeded harsh tone towards sean. he was trying to help the member. he did not want to be harshly judged by people for not responding to an email he never received. Sean did not rebuke the member in any way for their opinion.

s
Message: Posted by: thk5353 (Apr 23, 2004 06:50PM)
I probably posted this within these pages somewhere, I have to say the worst trick I've ever bought was Airtight by Jay Sankey. This trick is impossible to setup and also hard to pull off. Just bad.
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Apr 23, 2004 08:48PM)
About Airtight: I purchased it because I saw Copperfield perform it, and I thought it looked fabulous.

But like you said, It's almost impossible to get that darned deck of cards loaded in the balloon, without killing yourself. I should know, because I tried for hours! I have no idea how Copperfield achieved the set-up. He must have used real magic.

Anyway, the instructions say something about using a knife for misdirection, and I don't recall Copperfield using one in his presentation. I was expecting to be able to do it as cleanly as David. But his method was not revealed in the instructions that came with my trick.

Anyway, the trick is still in limbo for me.
Message: Posted by: mikep (Apr 23, 2004 10:05PM)
I too gave up on airtight, after countless efforts I only managed to get set up once. and the balloon broke before the effect was complete: Nice idea, nearly impossible to pull off.
Message: Posted by: Fraser Gould (Apr 23, 2004 11:14PM)
Two of the worst props I have ever bought both came from Dave Powell (is that name spelled right?).

His newspaper seance gimmick was so poorly made, I couldn't give it away (yes, I did try to unload it on some friends).

His card case fountain arrived in the mail in pieces - the glue had come undone in transit. I fixed that, but the motor on the prop wasn't strong enough to ever shoot the cards out with any consistency. A couple of days after receiving it, the wheel that shoots out the cards came flying off the motor.

Two cases of a really great idea but shoddy workmanship.
Message: Posted by: joseph (Apr 24, 2004 06:16AM)
I liked the Airtight idea, so I bought the "correct" Needle thru Balloon (#11 I think) balloons from Elmwood Magic. Still could not load the cards at all, which is a magic trick in itself......
Message: Posted by: El_Lamo (Apr 25, 2004 03:03PM)
I bought smoke from finger tips and wound up with sticky smelly fingers.

Cheers - El Lamo
Message: Posted by: Review King (Apr 25, 2004 03:34PM)
Have I ever mentioned anything by Henery Evans? lol.
Message: Posted by: Reis O'Brien (Apr 25, 2004 05:15PM)
Well, what I have seen by Henry Evans impressed the hell out of me. But then again, to each his own.
Message: Posted by: Magic.J.Manuel (Apr 25, 2004 10:53PM)
Stuffing things into balloons is easy with the right vacuum box machine. I don't know the Airtight trick but you can get a balloon stuffing machine info at BalloonHQ.com. Teddys and Roses are favorites for putting into balloons

http://www.balloonhq.com/faq/deco_delivery.html#machine
Message: Posted by: avimagic (Apr 26, 2004 07:19AM)
[quote]
But like you said, It's almost impossible to get that darned deck of cards loaded in the balloon, without killing yourself. I should know, because I tried for hours! I have no idea how Copperfield achieved the set-up. He must have used real magic.
[/quote]

LOL... It's been about 20 years since Copperfield ever set up a trick. He's in his trailer til showtime while a crew of the hardest working people in show business get everything set up for him!
Message: Posted by: Christopher (Apr 26, 2004 09:00AM)
Henry Evans impressed me too when I saw him in person. However, his products left alot to be desired and I eventually had to discontinue selling them at my stores due to complaints.
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Apr 26, 2004 08:11PM)
I'm going to PM you about that one.
Message: Posted by: Seth speaks (Apr 27, 2004 01:59AM)
Smoke From The Fingertips was incredibly stupid -- I, too, ordered it in elementary school from a Johnson Smith catalog (along with my plastic Charlie McCarthy dummy, my X-Ray Specs, and my spiral Hypno Coin -- remember those?), and I was probably the only one here who used up the whole tube in attempts to do it "correctly" ( I was *sure* that if I snapped my fingers open just right that those billows of smoke would start appearing; I mean, they wouldn't LIE to a kid, would they..?)

Funny thing is, I still see it advertised, with the exact same sales pitch and graphic as they used 25 years ago. Must be a perennial favorite...

Seth
Message: Posted by: Rennie (Apr 27, 2004 06:27PM)
Seth,
As stupid as Smoke From the Fingertips was I was actually able to make it work.The secret was to work the sticky stuff between your fingers and spread them as you were pulling your hand down and the "sticky web" type stuff "looked" like smoke.
I too had X-ray specs, now they were stupid. Yes they would LIE to a kid for the almighty buck.As Barnum always said "there is one born every minute". Good memeories form that Johnson / Smith catalog though.
Rennie
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Apr 28, 2004 10:12PM)
[quote]
On 2004-04-27 19:27, Rennie wrote:
Seth,
As stupid as Smoke From the Fingertips was I was actually able to make it work.The secret was to work the sticky stuff between your fingers and spread them as you were pulling your hand down and the "sticky web" type stuff "looked" like smoke.

Rennie
[/quote]

Were you doing a magic trick or picking your nose?

Just kiddin, man!!

Actually, I bought some of this stuff when I was a kid, and had similar luck as you all.
Message: Posted by: Seth speaks (May 17, 2004 12:29AM)
Rennie & daffydoug,

Actually, it's not that I couldn't get it to work, it's just that I was hoping for that "billowing" smoke that the ad claimed would pour forth from my fingers...

Yeah, I got some to rise, I just thought it was a bit pathetic..! But I also have some fantastic memories of the Johnson Smith catalog, and waiting eagerly on my porch for orders to arrive -- in fact I started getting it again a couple of years ago, just for sentimental value. It hasn't changed much in 25 years...

Seth
Message: Posted by: RiffClown (May 26, 2004 07:22AM)
[quote]
On 2003-02-20 21:27, Terry wrote:


The Envelope Please - the instruction start with "To do the effect you need a confederate..." a real rip!

[/quote]

If you'd like to sell it, let me know. You need a confederate to perform the trick but the deck of cards is priceless in its simplicity.
Message: Posted by: what the...? (May 27, 2004 08:39AM)
What's wrong with you people? I've seen some awesome effects on here trashed. Black and White surprise, color monte, leathal tender, scotch and soda. Some of the things mentioned have really sucked, but those tricks, I get an awesome response from each of them. I always blow people away with those. Also the Svengali. Good trick, the only problem is everyone has one. I know people who own no magic, except the Svengali. A good routine is esential with it.

I hated Matrix Poker, not convincing at all. I got it for my birthday, never got a strong reaction.
Message: Posted by: sniper1 (May 27, 2004 07:15PM)
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

I have to make a list of the items I don't use and sell them on e-bay or something .

well top of my list is a trick called { no strings attached } golf ball find chosen card . the golf ball moves on his own yay { the motor constructed in it sounds like a lawnmower }dont kno who you can fool with that

then ther is the chop card { nice principle } just not workable { ever seen a card with a square bumb in the middle lol }

there is something called a coin vanishing card in there aswell { a clip attached to a card }
who need a retention pass anymore hehe

the raven and universal raven hmmmmmmm don't much use those cos I hate to wear jackets

ohhhhhhhh yeah and the good old cigarette tru matchbox
Message: Posted by: Review King (May 30, 2004 08:46PM)
No strings attached-A.K.A. The Houwe. What a stinker!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Message: Posted by: TheHungryMagician (Jun 11, 2004 02:44PM)
Something I bought on e-bay. It was a PDF file (and they charged me shipping!) entitled "Mystic Sticky Stuff From Nose"

No strings attatched, ah, I hate hypotheticly titled products. Penguin even has a disclaimer!

I could do smoke from fingertips on about my 20th try, although I was fooled by some guy performing (I think this is what it's called) "Mystic smoke from cigarette" although a fair amount of the lay community know it.
Message: Posted by: Maestro (Jun 19, 2004 02:21AM)
[quote]Something I bought on e-bay. It was a PDF file (and they charged me shipping!) entitled "Mystic Sticky Stuff From Nose"[/quote]

Haha, that made me laugh. Are you serious though?
Message: Posted by: prospero (Jun 19, 2004 01:18PM)
The "smoke from fingertips" made a wisp of smoke while at the same time making my hands sticky. They also smelled bad and the stuff took a really long time to wash off.
Message: Posted by: digimaestro (Jun 21, 2004 07:41AM)
Gotta be the cheesy adams lota jug from disneyland's magic shop.. it was so small you could get a tiny squirt out of the jug over and over... fooled no one.

shoulda bought the snake in the peanuts can

digimaestro
Message: Posted by: James Watkins (Jun 30, 2004 02:18AM)
Back to Back by Mark Mason for me. I felt so ripped off and I was actually quite p.oed. that I made the investment.

Keep it real,
James
Message: Posted by: marko (Jun 30, 2004 04:29PM)
Regarding Airtight:

If you learn it from the video Sankey-tized 2, Jay Sankey goes with you carefully through the set-up. It doesn't take too long to do. I haven't had any problems with the set-up. It's not an effect I think you would do often, but save for special occasions when you want to leave lasting impact.
Message: Posted by: Partizan (Jul 2, 2004 12:58PM)
Smoke From The Fingertips - Memories

I got detention for a tube of this stuff. We had a school trip to Bath (UK). and I had my tube of Smoke From The Fingertips (this stuff was reject glue, surely) and started to do it, to great effect from schoolmates, in a museum. Next thing I had the teach' grab my lugghole and extract me from the crowd of adoring fans :) gave me a good telling off. Confiscated my SFTF and gave me a weeks detention when we got home :(.

:) Spent detention with my music teacher and a deck of cards :) (muso teach' was a good bloke. he taught me poker and how to crimp) :) so THANK YOU Smoke From The Fingertips. You taught me to play poker @ 14 years old :)
Message: Posted by: Reis O'Brien (Jul 2, 2004 06:12PM)
What's a lugghole?
Message: Posted by: Partizan (Jul 3, 2004 12:40AM)
Sorry - Babelfish translates English to American thus. Lugghole = Ear
Message: Posted by: Reis O'Brien (Jul 3, 2004 11:13AM)
Cool! I'm totally going to use that word.
Message: Posted by: Daryl -the other brother (Jul 3, 2004 12:49PM)
Worst for me was a purchase in the early 70's from Abbotts. Don't remember the name but the ad said you could create "astral projections" that would float around the room while you are tied to a chair. Turned out to be 2 pieces of flat black metal with glow in the dark swirls painted on them. You pound these into the heels of your shoes so the "paintings" are against the soles. When the lights go out you lift your feet up and wave them around.OOOOHH Scarey huh?
Message: Posted by: Ross W (Jul 7, 2004 10:41AM)
Ooh there are so many...

How about the SELF-BAKING POTATO, from Taurus Magic UK? The ad says the spud bakes itself in seconds inside a foil wrapper. Sounds good, eh?

What you get is a bottle of some sort of gunk which you have to squirt onto the potato in view of the audience. You then wrap it up. It smokes a bit.

Then you unwrap it and you have a raw potato that has sort of sweated somewhat.

Er...that´s it.

Deceptive ad, poor product, lousy trick, total and utter cr*p. Whoever makes it, sells it, advertises it or has anything to do with it should be ashamed.
Message: Posted by: Harry Murphy (Jul 7, 2004 02:39PM)
LOL!! I had a great laugh at that description! My thought is who would buy that as a trick? What's the point? Campfire magic, the floating ear of corn, the self-baking potato, the eating a flaming marshmallow! LOL!!
Message: Posted by: kloud (Jul 7, 2004 04:09PM)
Reality Twister, and Sasco Flipper coin.

[b]The Sasco Flipper Coin is a piece of garbage[/b]! There's such a large gap between the inner folding coin and the outer shell, that the thing looks OBVIOUSLY fake. I was warned that Sasco made gimmicked looking coins (that looked fake from 15 feet away) but thought people were exaggerating. They weren't.
Message: Posted by: Ron Reid (Jul 8, 2004 10:53PM)
Ross:

That is definitely LOL funny! Thanks for a good chuckle!

Ron
Message: Posted by: flobiwan (Jul 11, 2004 12:23AM)
I've had very good fortune lately in buying stuff, but a few duds I've purchased recently were:

Just Passin' Thru - vastly inferior to misled. I accidentally broke the gaff the day after I bought it and wasn't in the least bit upset. On the other hand, if you need a reliable method for putting black marks all over a dollar bill, this trick is for you.

Jim Pace's Visu-Antics - worst DVD I own.

the Twenty-One trick - very hard to make the handling look natural and very limited in it's application. Plus it's not examinable. Big turnoff for me.

Fredd
Message: Posted by: Daryl -the other brother (Jul 11, 2004 10:47AM)
[quote]
On 2004-07-11 01:23, flobiwan wrote:
Jim Pace's Visu-Antics - worst DVD I own.
[/quote]

I agree. This is pure garbage. The smirk on his face suggests he is embarrassed just showing you this stuff. After most every effect he has a "sorry bout that" kinda expression.
Message: Posted by: Hoelderlin (Jul 30, 2004 04:29PM)
[quote]
On 2003-02-23 22:10, cardican66 wrote:
Sanada gimmick
[/quote]


The Sanada gimmick is not an effect in itself, but a gimmick that properly used can help in accomplish miracles (for example, the impossible penetration of an handkerchief through a transparent bag sealed around your hand as performed by Henry Evans).
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Jul 31, 2004 02:17PM)
The interesting part of this thread is that almost any of these "worst tricks" can be used to fool the pants off a spectator IN THE CORRECT CIRCUMSTANCES.

For example, the Abbott's "Spirit Manifestations" mentioned by Daryl-the other brother. In the right place, at the right time, it could be effective. Unfortunately, the right place is somewhere else and the right time is a long time ago. Or maybe at a viewing of Blair Witch.

One of the worst tricks I have ever seen is the Sasco Cigarette through the quarter -- the one you could show both sides, but not on edge.
Message: Posted by: DrNorth (Aug 1, 2004 05:59PM)
A coin and mirror effect called Eclipse, by I think Tenyo. Back in the mid to late eighties some genius came out with a pure slight effect called Twilight I believe, it was a two sided pocket mirror and you supplied 4 coins, in the US $0.50 pieces are recommended, in short you have one coin and one mirror, through a series of slights coins multiplied, imaged coins turned over after the "real" one was turned over a brilliant effect. Tenyo came out with a purely mechanical version that looked, well mechanical. I have found that most Tenyo effects are a weird plastic box that can be nothing but a gimmicked thing, as it resembles no actual thing anyone would own. (But many effects have that failing IMHO) how many round boxes with holes for nails does one see? Esp a plastic box with plastic nails. It's why I got into bazzare, I can buy props on ebay or a flea market, and whiel they may look odd, at least its something that someone may have seen in their lives.
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Aug 1, 2004 06:28PM)
How would the Tenyo stuff look if made in NON_PLASTIC materials?

Is there a market for such items?

The bizzarists interested?
Message: Posted by: Hypnotic Winter (Aug 1, 2004 07:03PM)
Personally I liked one or two of Jim Pace's stuff, I liked his colour change and silly as it seems I liked his hat arm thing.
I got done big time on e-bay, a guy said he had a method of telling a persons pin number from their mind right on the street, Didn't relise it was a TW or boon he was talking about. Talk about cheated, I could have just looked in Corinda!
I'm never buying mental or magic off of e bay again.
Message: Posted by: Sk8rDave (Aug 2, 2004 12:16AM)
[quote]
On 2004-08-01 19:28, Jonathan Townsend wrote:
How would the Tenyo stuff look if made in NON_PLASTIC materials?

Is there a market for such items?

The bizzarists interested?
[/quote]

I know that at least some of Tenyo's stuff has been released in brass instead of plastic. Many years ago I saw a little magic kit that had about 10 Tenyo props all in brass. When I asked about it the shop owner told me that all of Tenyo's stuff was available in brass over in japan. I doubt that is true but I'd be curious if anyone knows anythiing about that kit and if it was a special edition or a standard tenyo product.

Dave
Message: Posted by: Hideo Kato (Aug 2, 2004 09:54AM)
[quote]all of Tenyo's stuff was available in brass over in japan [/quote]
It's not true.

That kit of brass products was a special and a limited one. I wrote the original instruction and Gary Oulllet wrote English version.

Hideo Kato
Message: Posted by: MentaThought (Aug 28, 2004 09:03PM)
"Killer Red Caps" by Roger Monaco and hyped at the Bob Kohler website
This so-called "effect" has been much written about at The Café.
What's amazing to many is that it was given such laudatory reviews by Michael Close and others of his calibre.
"Final Book Test" by Elian Agaian and "Coin Bend" by Travis Baccene were wastes of my money as well.
Message: Posted by: Dr_Stephen_Midnight (Aug 29, 2004 09:58AM)
Rising and floating cigarette.

Steve
Message: Posted by: werton (Aug 29, 2004 11:27AM)
The exchange its horrible
Message: Posted by: kregg (Aug 29, 2004 11:46AM)
The Tenyo Okito Box made of yellow plastic was the pits.
Message: Posted by: Terry Holley (Aug 30, 2004 11:46PM)
[quote]
On 2004-07-03 13:49, Daryl -the other brother wrote:
Worst for me was a purchase in the early 70's from Abbotts. Don't remember the name but the ad said you could create "astral projections" that would float around the room while you are tied to a chair. Turned out to be 2 pieces of flat black metal with glow in the dark swirls painted on them. You pound these into the heels of your shoes so the "paintings" are against the soles. When the lights go out you lift your feet up and wave them around.OOOOHH Scarey huh?
[/quote]

I think it would be scarier to see you do it with the lights on!

Terry
Message: Posted by: tpdmagic (Aug 31, 2004 12:26AM)
Well I wouldn't say I bought a bad trick this year but I will say I bought a bad gimmick...STAY AWAY FROM TANGO COINS.....I bought several of there coin gimmicks just to see what they were like...And my goodness I don't think in my 32 years of living I have seen such garbage...Good think I own a ton of Lassans stuff and Johnson stuff.......LOL

tpdmagic
Message: Posted by: The Mighty Fool (Aug 31, 2004 12:32AM)
The worst effect? That would be any effect performed by me. Oh wait...the worst I ever PURCHASED? Okay, let's see.....

Probably the 'torch-thru-arm' effect using the big tube you put your forearm through. TOTALY lame & fake!
I try to avoid 'One-trick-ponies' like the Svengali deck, but I'll admit some of them, like the invisible deck DO pack a real punch!
Message: Posted by: magicbern (Aug 31, 2004 08:41AM)
I guess we've all been deceived by ingenious ads which seem to suggest the impossible. For me, the worst trick I have bought was called 'Easy Float' put out by Steve Fearson many years back. I am not priviledged to reveal its workings as it is a marketed effect...suffice to say that the angles are very challenging and for the price, the method is glaringly obvious. Still, we have to admit that the best methods are often the simplest! So its a double-edged sword...the simplicity annoys us sometimes, but nobody forced us to make the purchases!
Message: Posted by: honus (Aug 31, 2004 11:24AM)
I cannot believe you people hate "Smoke From Fingertips"! Why, in my Spiderman act, I use it to create webs while performing Pace's The Web, and scare the daylights out of unsuspecting . . . .

okay, I'm joking. :P I bought that junk when I was 12, like everybody else, and it never did a thing. Well, I could have used it as "Talcum Powder From Fingertips", but it didn't really fit my act.

In the same order from Johnson Smith (of course): The immortal Go-Gone, a skull that would vanish. Inside a handkerchief. Where you would secure it. With a little rubberband. (Hope this exposure won't spoil anybody's day!)

So you're left with this handkerchief . . . with a big pucker in the center . . . looked like the hankie had an a**hole . . . and then you'd produce the (duplicate)skull from your pocket. You'd have to be four hundred feet away from people for them to miss the a**hole in the hankie - but the skull was only about an inch wide. So it's a close-up trick. Maybe over the radio, it would work . . . .
Message: Posted by: coinlover (Aug 31, 2004 01:08PM)
For me the worst trick of this year is the "Protocol 153.51 Very Very disappointed!!!
Message: Posted by: Tom Jorgenson (Aug 31, 2004 02:00PM)
Great Posts!

My most useless thing was, probably, a $50 Kennedy trick, in which a cigarette floated up to your lips, then a matchbox opened, a match floated out, struck itself and floated up to light the cigarette....IF you were dressed like Pinky Lee. A stunning trick when well-done, I would imagine, but not for me, I never had the right 'costume' to use it. Andl the stage constrictions. At that time, $50 was about like $200 now.
Smoke from Fingertips? A minor miracle! For $.35 you got a mysterious miracle...most people used way too much, and expected way too much, but focussing their attention on the empty hands, then having smoke appear wisping up was a true amazement...used it for years. Wipe it off when showing your next trick with the totally unprepared hands...loved SFTFT...nice for seancy stuff, too.
The other worst tricks? Unfortunately, most of the card tricks I buy. Bigger percentage of junk, I think.
Message: Posted by: adamjames (Aug 31, 2004 02:25PM)
Probably "Melt".
Message: Posted by: MagicCarisio (Aug 31, 2004 02:27PM)
I have to go with "Killer Red Caps"...pure garbage!
Gerard
Message: Posted by: Yuji (Aug 31, 2004 03:20PM)
"Killer Red Cap" in my drawer already one year and now Protocol 153.51 have joined.
Message: Posted by: FTAMagician (Aug 31, 2004 07:28PM)
Like I told Mike Close when he lectured for our magic ring a few years ago (we were all talking about great ads and poor effects!!)....it'd be great if somebody put out a book with the origional ads...and then a review of what it actually was that you recieved and how you were supposed to make it work!!!

In other words...the best of "GREAT ads!!!...POOR magic" over the years...or something like that!!

Now, I'd BUY a book like that!!!
Message: Posted by: cardfreakhk (Aug 31, 2004 09:01PM)
Good idea FTA!
I am writing a book like it! You may send your cheque to pre-order one now! I am afraid it will be out of print soon!
Only 100000000 limited. And of course, I will sign them.
Message: Posted by: rmoraleta (Sep 1, 2004 05:09AM)
I must say Killer Red Caps is garbage. But it was advertised as if it is a really great effect.
Message: Posted by: dannydaniels (Sep 1, 2004 08:33AM)
I thought what would it be like to sucker magicians like some have done with Sketched Reality, Reality Twister, Matrix 2003, and the rest of the junk…

I wanted to make the "S.O.D. Coins to Glass" ad. First, if you print S.O.D. very large in the ad & everyone will wonder what that means (because we all know ATFUS, PATEO force, etc.- so what can this SOD mean?!?!?). These little abbreviations are very tempting to know. Then on top of that, I wanted to advertise two versions of the S.O.D. Coins to Glass: version 1 is with special gimmick and four half dollars, and version 2 is with the special gimmicked vest! I knew that with these hooks, I'd rake in the dough. Version 1 would sell for $100, and version 2 (with the vest — yeah) for $250.

What do you get in reality? Version 1: four coins and matching s***l. Version 2: same four coins and s***l, plus a vest with a cheap cardboard re-inforced breast pocket to ditch the last coin. And what does the S.O.D. mean (to feed your curiosity)? Why it means Same Old Darn (mildly put) Coins To Glass! Man, I could have raked in the dough, especially with some clever text: "no magnets, no palming, special gimmick does it all, vest increases performance, etc." — but I ain't that kind of guy. (But it is a tempting thought - my own MagicUnlimited.com sounds good, too!)

Bottom line: stay away from TRICKS, read books, study, originate, and only buy after you read this thread.
Message: Posted by: Rennie (Sep 1, 2004 08:51AM)
I have to agree on Killer Red Caps & Reality Twister. For some reason both of these effects received much hype and great reviews. Kind of makes me not read reviews anymore.Both were definitely a big disappointment and both obtained a nice spot in the drawer of never do magic...One other I just recalled was Phantom at the Fingertips, a coin effect distributed by Paul Diamond in the 70's, you had to have a cable resembling a bicycle brake cable run up your arm, over the shoulders and down the other arm.I traded that trick as soon as I opened it.
Rennie
Message: Posted by: Mehtas (Sep 1, 2004 12:23PM)
if you go thru some of the worst trick threads you'll find "Killer Red Caps" MANY times. The only way I've found use for them is to store small rubberbands and safty pins.

Magicians get kinda suckered and think it must be some sort of Scientific Breakthrough :) when the ads says it took YEARS to develope these kind of tricks.

I am glad this thread has come up again and just hope it keeps on going.
Message: Posted by: latercer (Sep 1, 2004 02:12PM)
Because of the high price, I would choose TIMETRIX
Message: Posted by: misterillusion (Sep 1, 2004 02:28PM)
Appearing Cell Phones > > > >went right to my bottom drawer.
Message: Posted by: cardfreakhk (Sep 1, 2004 03:37PM)
What is the Killer Red Caps?
I am lucky, I never heard of it before.
Message: Posted by: runawayjag (Sep 1, 2004 03:50PM)
High price on Timetrix? Try a real Stull Watch at $1,000 plus! Same trick. I think Timetrix is way underpriced as a Stull Watch in a wristwatch has always been a very desirable item. But, to each his own.

Also, Phantom at the Fingertips, like many props. looked absolutely GREAT when the originator performed it. I saw him baffle a roomful of knowledgeable coin people with it. But, a lot of people didn't want to bother with the set up or the practice. Like I said, to each his own.
Message: Posted by: Rennie (Sep 1, 2004 10:05PM)
[quote]
On 2004-09-01 16:37, cardfreakhk wrote:
What is the Killer Red Caps?
I am lucky, I never heard of it before.
[/quote]
You are more lucky you never purchased it. Killer Red Caps are actually tops off cans of WD40, an object placed under one of the caps by a spectator you are able to tell which cap is hiding the object ( if your surface is light enough ). Really a disappointment believe me.
Rennie
Message: Posted by: MentaThought (Sep 1, 2004 10:27PM)
[quote]
On 2004-09-01 09:51, Rennie wrote:

I have to agree on Killer Red Caps & Reality Twister. For some reason both of these effects received much hype and great reviews. Kind of makes me not read reviews anymore.Both were definitely a big disappointment and both obtained a nice spot in the drawer of never do magic[/quote]

As a purchaser of Killer Red Caps I have actually seriously considered that this
"effect" (if it even deserves to be called that) might have been an "inside joke" along the lines of, "Let's market the most LAME effect imaginable accompanied by the most over-the-top hype imaginable as an 'inside joke' and see how many people fall for it."

[quote]
On 2004-08-31 20:28, FTAMagician wrote:

Like I told Mike Close when he lectured for our magic ring a few years ago (we were all talking about great ads and poor effects!!)....it'd be great if somebody put out a book with the original ads...and then a review of what it actually was that you received and how you were supposed to make it work!!!
[/quote]

I'd be interested to hear Mr. Close's response, considering how he gave Killer Red Caps a glowing written review.
Did you get a chance to mention KRC specifically to him? What'd he say?
Message: Posted by: FTAMagician (Sep 5, 2004 05:25PM)
I didn't think about it at the time...I was busy showing him something I "invented"...and he LIKED it!!! I've since completly changed the method.

I'm getting ready to re-release it with a more streamlined gimmick...this time the signed, perfectly folded, card ends up sealed inside an Alka-Seltzer packet!!!

Gotta check with the company to make sure it's okay to use that...if not, the old "taped together small business cards" will still work!!
Message: Posted by: Markymark (Sep 5, 2004 05:41PM)
One of my worst buy's was 'Burning Thoughts'.Asking the spectator to do confusing math's BEFORE he counted to a word on the lighter was'nt mentioned in the ad copy.
Message: Posted by: sileeni uk (Sep 5, 2004 07:20PM)
[quote]
On 2003-02-19 23:16, Doomo wrote:
Switch-a-Roo...it was a piece o' junk. A piece of PVC piping and some fishing line. Gah!

I usually stick to the basics like shells, gaffed cards and the occasional TT. Hard to get burned with those, unless you are talking about coins by Sasco. More junk.

your obviously one of those people who rip open the packet that they just got through the post, look at the gimmick, discover what it is, barely look at the routine, obviously have never bothered performing it for real people (and no your mum doesn't count)and if you have, you must have done it badly.because switch a roo is a great gimmick, if used well, in the right routine.it is not the content of the trick but what you do with it. man it annoys me when people do that .(nothing personal to you doomo, it just so happens I saw your post first.lol

Posted: Sep 5, 2004 8:23pm
O I forgot to add.. gaffed cards are not basic. basic is doing what me and my closest friends do best , entertain a crowd for 20 mins or more, using just a deck of cards , our own wit, an sleights that we have painstakingly learnt. thank you ..
Message: Posted by: Chris C. (Sep 6, 2004 10:13AM)
The worst trick I ever bought was Sack X for $75.
Message: Posted by: jimesw (Sep 6, 2004 10:46AM)
I'm so intrigued about killer red caps. In a sick sort of way I want to own it to see how bad it really is.

jimesw
Message: Posted by: sileeni uk (Sep 6, 2004 11:03AM)
Killer red caps is I'm afraid to see quite terrible, the effect is ok in theory however it is both a boring routine , with no punch to it. and the method ,, well , what can I say.. if this trick was to be released it should never have been released as a marketed solo effect, maybe in a set of notes or a video.. for those of you that own it have a look inside the caps for a bit of a laugh, look what is printed in them. diy store comes into mind.
Message: Posted by: M. Perk (Sep 7, 2004 02:46PM)
Penomenon
The most money I ever spent on a Bic pen.
Message: Posted by: Kent Wong (Sep 7, 2004 05:49PM)
Switch-a-roo has the potential for being a good trick, especially if you watched the instructional video and played around with it. True, it is very simple in its construction but some of the best utility devices are exceedingly simple (ie. TT).

The only weakness that Switch-a-roo has is the color. If anyone happens to even catch a small glimpse of the inside of your pocket, the gimmick will jump out at them. Now, if you are relatively short (like me), this becomes a serious problem.

It is only for that reason that I haven't used Switch-a-roo more than I have.

But getting back to the original thread, the worst effect ever purchased would be Perrier With a Twist by Kevin James. As a stage or parlour effect, it has the potential to be very good. But it is a coin trick. As such, it must be done close up. In those circumstances you cannot control your angles or your distance from the audience. Yet the method requires it.

So as a result, I have never figured out when to best perform this potentially amazing effect.
Message: Posted by: Rennie (Sep 8, 2004 08:10PM)
[quote]
On 2004-09-06 11:46, jimesw wrote:
I'm so intrigued about killer red caps. In a sick sort of way I want to own it to see how bad it really is.

jimesw
http://www.controlarms.org
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Her you go,
Killer Red Caps
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Simple in effect but devastating in principle. Spectator places a small object under one of five red plastic caps. The magician or mentalist can be out of the room as this is being done. Caps can be mixed up and moved. It's up to the spectator. Performer comes into the room and instantly tells them under which cap the object is hidden. Pure and simple. Nothing used but the five red caps. Instantly repeatable. Do it over and over. This has been a great source of fun here at the studio. Fools them all!!! A great piece of mental magic that you can do anywhere, anytime.
Specifications
Magic Trick
By Monaco, Roger
From Bob Kohler
Price: $20.00
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Message: Posted by: Christopher (Sep 8, 2004 09:44PM)
I use Perrier With a Twist almost every night at my restaurants with great success. The routine always gets a great reaction and has become a favorite.
Message: Posted by: Marvelous (Sep 14, 2004 09:00PM)
For Jay Sankey to slow down and wait at least six months to release any old, I mean New effects or DVDs. If he'll do that Penguin willing I know he can really give us something special. I enjoy watching him perform and have many of his effects but lately, well you know. But seriously I would like Head Rush and Elevator 2 or whatever new addition Peter is working on! And for everyone who has bought The Expert Deck to send them to your nearest recycling center so maybe we won't waste anymore paper on weak trick decks that are nearly impossible to perform! Merry Christmas!

Posted: Sep 14, 2004 10:01pm
Also, for Ted Amberg to start releasing magic again. His Liberty Vanish would make a great Tenyo trick; I'd also like for Steve Fearson to come back. Again, Tenyo could really market his Final Cut (though probably in plastic) and his Pen From Anywhere I believe would be huge if Tenyo was behind it.
Message: Posted by: Frog Prince (Sep 15, 2004 08:45AM)
I bought worst trick today! Manufacturer is japanese magic company.
That's calld "Ring to Cardbox". That is a Bicycle Card Case which make any object appear in it!

When I open the package....I just found a slit at a card case..... Wow! Is this really $35??

Am I having a nightmare?

Posted: Sep 15, 2004 9:51am

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I have to mention my above post.
I'm not talking about Tenyo. Please don't misunderstand. Tenyo produce many great tricks.
Message: Posted by: Neoglobin (Sep 15, 2004 11:27PM)
Frog Prince, your post cracked me up. Im not laughing at you, I'm laughing at the nerve of those guys to sell something like that. Jeez!
Message: Posted by: Frog Prince (Sep 16, 2004 12:07AM)
Neoglobin, Yeah...
Now I have to exorcise a bad magic trics...
Message: Posted by: Neoglobin (Sep 16, 2004 09:43AM)
That's ridiculous for $35.

Was it an open slit or could you cover it?
Message: Posted by: Frog Prince (Sep 17, 2004 04:02AM)
Hi! Neoglobin! I finally found a secret of this item!

This card case is supposed to work as a Rattle Box! Before I dump this case, I tear it to pieces. Then I found a coin at double sided case! But this coin is sticking on the case by glue... Wow!! :mad:

An explanatory note and gimmick quality are inferior in quality. And The slit is so obvious. It's just a open flap at bottm corner of the case.

I think this is a rip-off version of "V** Box". :bawl:
Message: Posted by: John McLaughlin (Sep 17, 2004 10:56PM)
Now-U-C It Now-U-Don't. It looked great on the video, but once I got it home I never had any success with it...of course that was years ago, maybe I should dig it out of the drawer and give it another shot!
Message: Posted by: Webgentry (Sep 18, 2004 12:49AM)
[quote]
On 2004-08-31 16:20, Yuji wrote:
"Killer Red Cap" in my drawer already one year and now Protocol 153.51 have joined.
[/quote]

What's up with Protocol?
I have been eyeing this but have been cautious about it. Description seems too unreal and I would rather not get burned.

What didn't you like about it?

Posted: Sep 18, 2004 2:21am
Having read almost all of the posts in this thread I really don't feel so bad anymore about the hundreds of dollars worth of crap stashed in boxes in my basement.

Topping the list of the most worthless, useless effects I am embarrassed to have purchased is "Sure Thing" by Dick Zimmerman. It is a dice matching theme using 2 cups and 2 dice. The way it was described before I purchased it I thought I was getting some elaborate setup... especially for the price. What I got was two plastic "solo" brand cups and two crappy dice. Really. The dice weren't even well made. I was severely p*ssed when I got this garbage.

Regrettably, in the same shipment was #2 on my crap list. "Acid Madness" by James Rainho. This thing employs a russian roulette theme using test tubes and chemicals. Except the chemicals are not included. What's worse is the page in the instructions that tell you that the necessary chemicals you need to use this terribly expensive effect are generally not sold to individuals. You need ammonium nitrate and zinc powder.

In this day and age of terrorism paranoia it will likely be impossible to get this stuff without getting stuck in the FBI database or something. The description at Hank Lee's Magic Factory which sold me this crap for $60 say "What a powerful piece of mental magic! No harmful or costly chemicals used. Absolutely safe. You will love the method. Not to mention the effect! Comes complete with vials, jar, key, two stands, etc." Well if so, why won't chemical distributors sell the stuff to people... Please!
Message: Posted by: Tom Lauten (Sep 18, 2004 05:43AM)
Easy Sensory Perception THE WORST!!!!

Pants...a load of big discoloured Y-fronts with dead elastic! I couldn't even give this a serious review...one look at the cards and the "secret" is out! don't even ask me about the box...to be honest, I would have sent it back if I didn't value the cost of a second class stamp so much over this trick...for shame!

I wish I could go into detail about the gaffs construction but even for this lame trick I wouldn't break an ethical magicians code...too bad, it would have been fun!
Message: Posted by: Cardic (Sep 18, 2004 06:26AM)
Omg..... I can't name one... theres sooooo many

lets just say... all gaffed tricks ive bought...

this doesn include gaffed coins n cards
Message: Posted by: BullzEyE (Sep 18, 2004 07:32AM)
Yes I too have had many horrible tricks that are easy to spot. Cant think of one in particular though right now
Message: Posted by: blacklotus1 (Nov 13, 2004 08:07PM)
There are alot...but I recently purchased "Sharky"..a card trick using two decks, gaffs, etc....$25.00..what a punch in the cakehole and I had to buy the two extra decks of Bicycle they were not included. Terrible
Message: Posted by: shomemagic (Nov 13, 2004 08:20PM)
My worst will probably be..my next purchase..whatever that is LOL
Message: Posted by: Gede Nibo (Nov 13, 2004 09:26PM)
I totally agree with the Magi who said that he seen other Magi perform a lot of the above disliked tricks, and they did them superbly....the bottom line is, a lot of times, OUR presentation, our determination to present a good effect....at the same time I agree, there is a lot of junk out there, made by people just trying to score a buck....
one recent trick I bought that I think is a sham is "POLTER," it is immpractical...its in its 'baby stages" to say the least, and a total rip off to say the most....
Message: Posted by: Roth (Nov 13, 2004 09:29PM)
A $250.00 remote controlled digital clock. the effect worked great except the little remote in your pocket made an audible clicking sound.

To change the time on the clock required clicking the remote several times.

In a quite Parlour setting it was a dead givaway and there was no way to silence it.

big disapointment,sold it.
Message: Posted by: TheHelpingHand (Nov 14, 2004 11:27AM)
Without a doubt, Steve Fearson's Station Manager (BS) Document. Unbelievable scam.
Message: Posted by: Eddini_81976 (Nov 14, 2004 10:51PM)
I may have posted a few of my least favorite here already a year ago. I'm not sure, but here it goes...

1. Just Think - I hate this. I even added 5 or 6 jokers to the deck, still no luck.

2 Future Mental - I know people who love this. Anyway it's more of a handling issue, plus on how you decipher what ball was chosen, a very astute spectator can pick it up. I've only done it maybe 5 or 6 times. One of the times someone said, well that's easy in how you know what color I had. On the other hand I've had someone like it highly. The handling issue I have, is that I don't like starting "dirty" in tricks especially with something of that size. Now a quarter in the trick "Quarter Squeeze" isn't too big and cumbersome. I paid like $45.00-$50.00 for it. I'd easily sell it for $25.00 though.

3. Cubio - Just not my cup of tea. There's not many presentational angles you can use with this. The "Wow" factor isn't high enough to me for my standards anyway.

4. Jump - I was very angry at this purchase, especially for the $95.00 I paid for it. I'm happy I got my money back. I felt mislead from the add in the Linking Ring Magazine. I haven't read it in a while. To me, I got the impression that some would place a cup and put a pen in it in front of you WITHOUT you ever touching anything, and that it would work. I also got the impression that you could do it across the room. When I saw the gimmick, I was like OMG, people can see that. To me it's very visible. I was still very wet behind the ears, and I'll admit, I thought that it used radio-active energies or properties. Like if you put liquid in the pen, then whatever in your pocket would make it work. I was very unknowledgable on methods then. I still am to a certain extent. Anyway I'm happy I got my money back.

5. PENominal/Pocket Charger - Very unreliable, and way to over-priced.

6. Telekenetic Timber - I know this have been highly praised by people such as Max Maven, but this was unreliable too. I'd wait 2-3 minutes and the wood, wouldn't even tip. I did all the prep work right. I double checked. I did what I had to do for the alloted time, and I had it at the right angle, and maybe 50% of the time it would work which is unacceptable to me.

7. The Block - This is even worse that The Teleketic Timber. I never wear sleeves when performing, and I perform standing. The device is too bulky. I saw a Fedko Tape "Platform and Close-Up Magic". I love there block. I like there disapearing deck too. I thought these blosks would be like the Fedko Tipping Block, in which one is, but it's unreliably as I said previously.

8. Oral Fixation - I love the effect, but the instructions are too hard for me to follow, and this is something you do NOT want to mess up, or you'll be busy for quite a while.

9. Mini Tambour Coin Production - Again you start dirty, and it's a bulky kind of dirty I think. When reading the instructions I kept thinking, and people can't see the ??? I didn't "buy" that I could get away with doing it. The prep work for my taste is too tedious for the end result.

10. Raven - This is a handling issue too. I LOVE the effect, anf think it blows people away, but after practicing it forever, I couldn't still "get it down". Great Effect however in the right person's hands.

11. Half Washed - The "Piece" is too loose, and it's hard to aline up. I also thought that that the washer could be examined. I pictured a "locking type of tightness" as in Scotch & Soda, that would come with a B*** R***. Also it doesn't always fall the right way.

12. ITR's - I'm cursed with these. No matter how gentle and little pressure I put on the thread it breaks still. Then no matter how hard I suck, I can't get the thread out. Again great effect.

13. Stealth Retractor - Again, I don't like being dirty. I hate having to hide things in my hands. I could see how this would really blow people away if you used a close friend as a accomplish so that your're as clean as a whistle.

14. Locking $1.35 Trick - I don't care for this because it says it can be examined. But I noticed myself if you shake it, you'll hear and feel something. Scotch & Soda, Lethal Tender, Nickles To Dimes, and others are SURE WINNERS to me.

15. New Wave Prediction - I thought this was a ripp off. A simple sleight or w** would work just as good, and even better.

16. EXactly - This reminds of of that Rich Marotta Prediction trick. You show 5 jumbo card, a person names one, and it's the one with the "written in advance X" on the back.

17. Perplexing Plaques - I've done this a few times, and people noticed how it worked. To make it worse at the Magic Shop I asked for Perspex Prediction, with the clip board. I had a lot of stuff in the bag, and I thought that's what they put in it. It wasn't till I was on the bus home, that I realized they gave me the wrong thing.

18. Get The Picture - This is a VERY awkward trick with it's handling. It can't be fully examined, and it hard to tell what they've drawn. It's not like you can put it in the envelope, to take it out again to try to put it in a different way.

19. PK Factor - Again I don't use slevves, and this is too bulky, and you'd need baggy sleeves for this to work, but then you could not move your arms around a lot because they'd see something.

Yes I know that's a lot of stuff, but I'm very picky. In some cases I even like the tricks but they're too awkward a handling for my taste. I'd be happy to sell anyone for 25%-50% off of what I'd originally paid for it. Ed, (Eddini).
Message: Posted by: RealDeal JU (Nov 15, 2004 10:10AM)
Probably my Take Apart Vanish Box. When I bought it the description said both sides of every piece, including the top, could be shown. Well not all sides can be shown and mostly everyone realizes how it is done. The only people that would fall for this with out any question are little kids.
Message: Posted by: Leland Stone (Nov 15, 2004 04:23PM)
I'm surprised by the number of posting bashing "Smoke From The Fingertips," as its rosin smell is one of the lingering memories of my early days in Magic. The only thing that lingers longer than its scent is the actual tube of stuff, mostly unused, just as it was when purchased in '77.

Okay, "SFTF" won't make my top ten list of must-do effects, but neither will these:

1] Some kind of $10 linked effect using $0.50 worth of chain links from the hardware store. Ad copy: "These DO NOT work like 'Linking Rings!' The links really are LINKED!" Yeah, they are. And the handling suggested by the directions makes that fact very clear long before the trick is finished.

2] Ribbon Thru Matchbox. A Royal effect using a non-gaffed plastic block and an improbable plastic matchbox. Extremely high "ho-hum" factor even if the fishy handling 'sells' the effect.

3] A square acrylic rod with a red tip and a white tip whose ends trade places upon being placed into a black tube. The 'sucker finale' shows the rod having miraculously transformed into an all-white stick. I should have flushed that $10 bill instead of spending it on this one...

Leland
Message: Posted by: Dr. Zordas (Nov 15, 2004 04:37PM)
...Just got hold of 'Telepathy Box' - you know, the Werry thing.

What a piece of 'crap' this is! It looks and feels like one of those cheap shoe-shine sponge-pad holders (minus a lid). The quality is deplorable!

What-on-earth was I thinking when I clicked on 'Purchase Now' I'll never know. I probably couldn't GIVE this thing away.

Please, no more comments on the lines of 'no bad tricks, just bad magians' BS either. There are PLENTY of bad tricks out there!


Dr. Zordas
Message: Posted by: martysh (Nov 15, 2004 11:12PM)
I just happened to see you guys talking about this and thought I would add my embarrassement to the lot. both of these I felt fully conned. Both happened I think more than 10 years ago through the mail...
the last time I bought at Tannens it was $20 for a flaming finger/hand ... what I got was a few matches stapled to a latex tt

but this other one really fried me.. I was going through the mutilated watch in the egg bag fad and thought it would be cool to answer an ad in the Linking Ring for a watch off rope routine. $40 brought me a small booklet suggesting my "assistant' untie the watch while offstage. Needless to say I have been more careful buying ever since.

marty
Greenville, SC
Message: Posted by: misterillusion (Nov 16, 2004 10:23AM)
Stay away from "Appearing Cell Phones". Really a major DOG
Message: Posted by: Eddini_81976 (Nov 16, 2004 10:58PM)
Wow, lots of stuff to stay away from, but there are many more tricks that are worth their weight in GOLD...lol. Ed, (Eddini).
Message: Posted by: Dr. Zordas (Nov 17, 2004 05:19AM)
...Yeah, that's right. Telepathy Box is worth its weight in gold too. And if you have one, you'll know what I mean. You may need some atomic scales...


Dr. Zordas
Message: Posted by: weepinwil (Nov 17, 2004 08:06AM)
[quote]
On 2003-02-19 19:52, gandolf wrote:
Being new to the Magic Café, I apologize if this has been asked before (I did a search, and did not find anything).

In all your years of performing magic, what is the absolute worst illusion you have purchased? I mean all time stink-o, cheap,
misrepresented, terrible trick.

Hope it's not one I think is great! :rotf:
[/quote]

I think this is personal and some tricks I think are good others think stink.

I did not like Fortune Tellers Book of Days. I bought it at a shop where I could not see it demonstrated although I asked. I found the description was not exactly as it is performed and so have never used it. I know others who think this is a great effect.
Message: Posted by: k (Nov 17, 2004 08:37AM)
WOW eddini, you sure was unlucky!
I guess the adds are misleading in most cases...

For my worst tricks :

Coin monte (you NEED a mat)
Bad coin gimmicked quality
Steve Fearson's Station Manager

and ALL those tricks you figured a way to do it youself before buying it but was too lazy to actually do it yourself..
Turns out you should have as it would have been better done...
Message: Posted by: Davidicus (Nov 17, 2004 09:42AM)
John Kennedy's Invisible Ink - a pen has an "ink cartridge" exposed. When you click the pen the ink disappears. Never fooled anyone...I was the fool...
Message: Posted by: the Sponge (Nov 17, 2004 08:45PM)
[quote]
On 2004-11-17 10:42, Deceptionguy wrote:
John Kennedy's Invisible Ink - a pen has an "ink cartridge" exposed. When you click the pen the ink disappears. Never fooled anyone...I was the fool...
[/quote]

yeah, the trick sucks. But the pen is a pretty cool "puzzle"

s
Message: Posted by: magicswan (Nov 18, 2004 12:51PM)
I'e been burned soo many times, so when I got a job at a magic shop, I got to play with the new items I had to try & sell,god theres a lot of stuff out there that is crap..if it sounds to good to be true, then it probably is.
Message: Posted by: tbaer (Nov 18, 2004 06:54PM)
Killer red caps
Message: Posted by: Al Kazam the Magic Man (Nov 19, 2004 03:41AM)
I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned this anywhere, but I got "Hank the Pet Hankercheif". Made by Chuck at Chazpro.

What can I say? Never got past the first 2 minutes with it.

JoJo
Message: Posted by: Marco S. (Nov 19, 2004 05:30AM)
Blink! Worst trick ever.
Message: Posted by: Mehtas (Nov 19, 2004 07:18AM)
[b]Smashing Crashing by Adrian Sullivan.[/b]

you get a toy car and the little "something" that you
eat everyday.


Also the lock trick where it ends up on
a stem of a small glass. Made by vienna magic its one of the worst trick I ever bought.


I don't think some of the later tricks mentioned in
this thread are worst at all..

I wont mention names but I use those tricks ALL the
time and make most of it.


:kewl:
Message: Posted by: iamslow (Nov 19, 2004 11:17PM)
Drawn Out and notepad surprise... Both looked obvious when done close up...
Message: Posted by: Harv (Nov 20, 2004 10:50AM)
Dragon Die Box...great idea, nice size but slapped together quickly and cheaply and it shows.
Message: Posted by: stevesmagic (Nov 20, 2004 02:07PM)
Both 3 domino monte and sucker born every minute, who supplied them....Penguin of course, awful
Message: Posted by: h_A_Z (Nov 20, 2004 02:24PM)
Dlites and Thumbtip eBooks from http://www.youdomagic.com
Message: Posted by: tbaer (Nov 21, 2004 05:25PM)
What's nice about these forums, is you can read what others have to say and find reviews on certain tricks before making a purchase. I believe we've all been "burned" in making purchases only to find out when the trick arrives in the mail and we open up the package, we are very disappointed and will probably never use it.
Message: Posted by: cardbiker (Nov 22, 2004 01:59PM)
Hi wish I'd found magic Café years ago, would have saved a packet- alida, exit 51, solid gold easy action,and elevator spring to mind
Message: Posted by: multiply (Nov 22, 2004 04:28PM)
'Elevator'??!!!

Please elaborate (I'm expecting mine any day). :pout:

*EDIT* Sorry, I was confusing it with 'Escalator'. Please ignore.
*Phew!*
Message: Posted by: trickyat86 (Nov 22, 2004 10:33PM)
Hottrix's card thru window, I'M SO STUPID!!!! :angry:
Message: Posted by: lynnef (Nov 23, 2004 01:23AM)
Loved all the letters on this topic! There's some agreement on a few effects. But.... I do enjoy a whole routine with the Svengali deck (use your imagination). The color monte effect usually gets a comic rise every time & has a funny story (ps it can be done in the hands). And children LOVE the DLite TT. It amazes my wife's Kindergarten class! Now can anyone tell me what the Black Tiger deck is about?
Message: Posted by: multiply (Nov 23, 2004 05:25AM)
[quote]
Now can anyone tell me what the Black Tiger deck is about?
[/quote]
Hi.

Check out these threads:
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=73420&forum=2
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=75434&forum=2
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=81857&forum=46
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=83864&forum=2
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=87056&forum=109

That lot will keep you busy for a while! ;)
Message: Posted by: cardbiker (Nov 24, 2004 01:10PM)
Can anyone remember a trick by Werry involving 4 cards with different coloured spots on them it was a prediction effect -bought it,binned it
Message: Posted by: kihei kid (Nov 25, 2004 05:31AM)
The Hoverball I believe it was called, the sorcery makes it. It was supposed to be and upgrade to my already existing lite flite, wrong.

The directions state to sharply bang it on your hand, those of you in the know recognize that this is something you would prefer not to do with I.T.

It gets even better, they go on to read it will light up for 15 seconds after that it's time to bang it again, of course they left out that little tidbit in there ad.

The lights they speak of are microscopic LED’s that you can almost see clearly from 1 foot away in a pitch-dark room.

Almost.
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Nov 26, 2004 10:05AM)
I have to go with Braco's "Floating" ball here. ARRRRGGGHH!!
Message: Posted by: Eddini_81976 (Nov 26, 2004 05:25PM)
[quote]
On 2004-11-19 06:30, Marco S. wrote:
Blink! Worst trick ever.
[/quote]

Is this the one by J.B. Magic> If it the super quick super visual color card change, then I thought it was amazing. I saw so many video demoed tricks there. Yippee I finally found another site to watch demoes. I saw so many great tricks. I sat for like 2 hours watching JB T.V. I saw sooo many great tricks, especially some by Henry Evans. He has a great card penetrating into a clear bag effect. One trick, as soon as the cards were thrown in a spread on the table, the backs instantly changed color. I have to watch them all again. I saw like 30 that I like. I'll have to write them down, and then write a big request for the 30 tricks (unless I find info on them first here already). It's better than writing 30 different request in the same day ot is it? Would it be more confusing do you think if I asked for a review of tricks, then listed the 30 I liked and saw. I know online videos can be deceptive, so you tell me thanks, Ed, (Eddini).
Message: Posted by: Hoggle (Nov 29, 2004 11:30AM)
There was a trick Blink was modeled after (so I was told) that I bought, called Swadling Visible Changing Card. It was well made, well packaged... it didn't look shoddy at all.

However, I bought it based on the advertisement that this was a hands off change. You throw it in the air and it changes, which it does, with an unavoidable loud SNAP!

The "card" was actually a packet 4 cards thick which was an obstacle I was willing to try to overcome (throw a packet of 4 cards and hope the thickness is invisible) but that ***ed "sound effect" was insurmountable...
Message: Posted by: The Mighty Fool (Nov 30, 2004 03:34AM)
Let's see....
The SILLIEST trick I ever purchased was the 'eclipse' TT by JSB. Yes it's a usefull gimmik, but so head-slappingly SIMPLE!!

The WORST would probably be 'trans-mental'. What a ludicrous price for a low-impact mentalism effect!
Message: Posted by: MentaThought (Nov 30, 2004 08:56PM)
I'd have to say "Right Write" by Andy Leviss was one of the most disappointing purchases I've made.
Message: Posted by: Lithingorf (Dec 1, 2004 10:40AM)
Do not throw away all these "crap" tricks. Pick them all and make "The Worst Magic In The World" show. You can become a star :)
Message: Posted by: Mehtas (Dec 1, 2004 12:44PM)
[quote]
On 2004-12-01 11:40, Lithingorf wrote:
Do not throw away all these "crap" tricks. Pick them all and make "The Worst Magic In The World" show. You can become a star :)
[/quote]


Now that's a bright idea :)

Anybody has contacts at Fox Network ??
Message: Posted by: NJJ (Dec 1, 2004 04:50PM)
There is an underground video doing the rounds of some of the worst magicians and magic shows ever seen on TV.

Very funny and very sad stuff.
Message: Posted by: paulajayne (Dec 2, 2004 02:00PM)
[quote]
On 2004-11-29 12:30, Hoggle wrote:
There was a trick Blink was modeled after (so I was told) that I bought, called Swadling Visible Changing Card. It was well made, well packaged... it didn't look shoddy at all.

However, I bought it based on the advertisement that this was a hands off change. You throw it in the air and it changes, which it does, with an unavoidable loud SNAP!

The "card" was actually a packet 4 cards thick which was an obstacle I was willing to try to overcome (throw a packet of 4 cards and hope the thickness is invisible) but that ***ed "sound effect" was insurmountable...


[/quote]

Hi

If you warp the cards slightly the snap sound is reduced.

Paula
Message: Posted by: Nick23 (Dec 2, 2004 09:54PM)
[quote]
On 2004-12-01 17:50, Nicholas J. Johnson wrote:
There is an underground video doing the rounds of some of the worst magicians and magic shows ever seen on TV.

Very funny and very sad stuff.
[/quote]

Rand Woodbury has talked about owning an underground compilation video of tricks going wrong in front of live audiences. Apparently one child screams and cries so much when a arm chopper goes wrong the who audience feels his pain.

In a sick twisted sort of way, I would love to see that video. I think it would make me practise more before I try out any new trick.
Message: Posted by: The Balloon Animal (Dec 13, 2004 04:51AM)
Can can by hottrix, what in the world was I thinking!!!
Message: Posted by: budzy (Dec 13, 2004 07:41AM)
I have swadlings changeing card. Mine has no sound.

Frank
Message: Posted by: MichaelB (Dec 14, 2004 01:51PM)
Anyone ever buy I think it was called "square circle"? (Not the one which a production box)

This one was 4 pieces of metal. Each about 10 inches long and an inch wide. The 4 pieces were all fastened together by little rivets so together they performed a square. I'll try to give you a taste of what the ad said.

"The magi displays the square to the audience. Then magically in an instant without any falsemoves right before the eyes of your audience the square transforms itself into a circle"

I'll give you a hint. Once it becomes a circle the circle is tough to see from straight on (the pieces of metal are very thin) - easier to see from angles. Also, I should let you know the metal is very pliable.

Here's another hint: Remember the bar trick where you bet that you can toss a paper match in the air and make it land on its edge?
Message: Posted by: gdowell (Dec 16, 2004 04:00PM)
The worst for me:
Haunted Key - "OOOHHH watch as my mind makes my hand tilt and move the key"

Also, I feel the Flip Tip was pretty useless for me.
Message: Posted by: Lambertmoon (Dec 17, 2004 10:56AM)
Creature was the worst for me. I bought it as a filler and all it's doing is filling up drawer space.
In fairness, if the color and fit were better it would be useful.
Message: Posted by: Dr. Zordas (Dec 17, 2004 11:44AM)
[quote]
On 2004-12-17 11:56, Lambertmoon wrote:
Creature was the worst for me. I bought it as a filler and all it's doing is filling up drawer space.
In fairness, if the color and fit were better it would be useful.
[/quote]


...The 'fit' you can adjust in many ways. The colour should ONLY be an issue when it matches your skin perfectly. I know that sounds odd, but it's a fact.

Part of the creatures design assumes that it can be shown casually on-the-fly. This part of it's modelling is quite unnecessary. It's quite easy to show the front and back of your hands to be devoid of trickery.

Once you show the creature in your cupped hand, it's only logical that it should NOT match your flesh tone...


Dr. Zordas
Message: Posted by: dpe666 (Dec 17, 2004 12:26PM)
[quote]
On 2004-12-16 17:00, gdowell wrote:
The worst for me:
Haunted Key - "OOOHHH watch as my mind makes my hand tilt and move the key"

[/quote]

If that is your presentation, then yeah...I guess it would be a pretty lousy trick. However, with the right presentation, and when performed correctly this is a very powerful effect, and scares the **** out of 'em. :devilish:
Message: Posted by: rowdymagi5 (Dec 17, 2004 02:38PM)
Restless Pad, absolute garbage
Message: Posted by: dpe666 (Dec 17, 2004 02:47PM)
[quote]
On 2004-12-17 15:38, rowdymagi5 wrote:
Restless Pad, absolute garbage
[/quote]

What is that? :devilish:
Message: Posted by: rowdymagi5 (Dec 17, 2004 02:52PM)
A close up pad that doubles as a card prediction. The mat is designed with the backs of bicycle cards layed out on it. You force a card, and then the card is revealed as the only face up card on the pad (It is actually under a clear laminate in the pad.
Message: Posted by: Dr. Faust (Dec 18, 2004 03:15AM)
I'm normally pretty careful about which tricks I purchase. I live only a couple of miles from the largest magic shop in my state (and probably several states nearby). This shop has about everything I see available anywhere. I know the owner well, and he knows I'm serious about quickly purchasing anything I like on impulse. So, he'll let me examine everything, show me the effect and secret, so I can make the right decision based on everything about it. Having such a magic shop nearby is a great advantage when it comes to being well-informed about what you buy. I'm sure we've all read about an effect that is really too hard to do convincingly. I'm sure we've all examined a prop after purchase only to find that it's just a little to cheap and tacky in appearance. So far, there is only one trick I have bought, after examination, that I somewhat regret. It's called Gambler's Dice. I think it's pretty bad, because you must always hold the speicial container at a certain angle. What's worse is that you must also only shake the prop a certain way and only once. Every spectator so far has noticed this and/or figured it out rather quickly. I hate it when that happens during an otherwise impressive routine. So, needless to say I don't do that trick for adults anymore. I only do it for kids in my classroom, and even they sometimes figure it out. The only good thing is that it costs less than five bucks. Ultimately, although I may dislike a purchased trick, my regret is based largely on the cost of the trick.
Message: Posted by: Dr. Zordas (Dec 18, 2004 10:28AM)
[quote]
On 2004-12-18 04:15, Dr. Faust wrote:
...This shop has about everything I see available anywhere...
[/quote]


That's quite an achievement in itself...


Dr. Zordas
Message: Posted by: Tom Stevens (Jan 5, 2005 05:40AM)
I didn't think Future Fungus was very useful. Never used it in a performance.

Bandit Ball was good for close-up with kids but it broke within a few weeks.
Message: Posted by: Cashetta (Jan 6, 2005 01:12PM)
Bought so much junk over the years but two Ireally think stink are Duo Rose and VooDoo Doll

Cashetgta
Message: Posted by: dpe666 (Jan 6, 2005 02:23PM)
[quote]
On 2005-01-06 14:12, Cashetta wrote:

VooDoo Doll

Cashetgta
[/quote]

I really hope that you are not referring to the little straw doll that stands up in your hand. That is a great effect when given the right presentation and build up. :devilish:
Message: Posted by: Phil Thomas (Jan 6, 2005 07:49PM)
I agree. That voodoo doll has gotten several screams from my spectators. Given the right atmosphere and patter, you got one heck of a piece of magic. As for the worst trick I ever bought, even though I like the illusion, the raven I think is a piece of junk. Go ahead. Hang me. But I prefer "Revolution". No one ever catches on to this when performed correctly.
Message: Posted by: Jesse Feinberg (Jan 7, 2005 12:34AM)
I'd say D'Lite! (just kiddin Phil) he he he...

The worst crapptastic trick I ever wasted my money on? Probably that trick 21. It was a sick effect, it looked awesome, but it broke immediatly??? any help guys. I cant reconstruct it, its to complicated I think...
Message: Posted by: Dizzy (Jan 11, 2005 06:22AM)
Probably my raven x 2, it's in the bottom drawer and has never been used. I also bought 'sneek a peek' when it first came out, but I swaped it for a packet of starburst sweets,

Dizzy
Message: Posted by: Alan Munro (Jan 15, 2005 04:36PM)
[quote]
On 2003-05-17 04:10, HiraseMagic wrote:
The quality of my Switch Card(by Ickle Pickle) is poor...maybe that's mine only.

Hirase
[/quote]
I would classify most Ickle Pickle stuff as poor, especially their Flexible Mirror and Tarbell Egg Bag.
Message: Posted by: 2003 user (Jun 12, 2005 05:10AM)
PSI Sharpie.........absolute garbage !!
Message: Posted by: Hengky Ciptanegara (Jun 12, 2005 10:19AM)
The WORST must be PROTOCOL 153.51
I wounder why no one mention this effect????
And seems he has made many magician dissapointed again with his PSI SHARPIE...
Message: Posted by: evolve629 (Jun 12, 2005 11:34AM)
I'm surprised nobody mentioned Jay Sankey's GEMINI POUCH and Metamorph. They have not seen a day of sunlight since I bought'em. I also dislike No. 2 Pencil, and Osmosis.
Message: Posted by: Fiddling-Steve (Jun 12, 2005 11:52AM)
I got metemorph too, haven't used it, haven't even tried it out.

My least favorite is Sal Piacente's Expert Card Magic Lecture Notes. I only have vol. 1, but I have never used anything that is in this, either because of the L--O--N--G setups or because the effect isn't all that amazing to a layman, maybe to a magician.


Posted: Jun 12, 2005 12:56pm
-----------------------------------------
(sorry, forgot to add this in)
But please be aware I don't' really like it because I like effects that are almosts fully impromptu. Many people on the Café love this set, but I don't.
Message: Posted by: tbaer (Jun 12, 2005 12:15PM)
Hengky, when I received my protocol 153.51 trick, the bottle of solution was only half full. After reading other posts on this forum, everyone had the same experience. The solution dried up so fast, some people never got a chance to try it. At least I was able to perform the trick a few times before all mine dried up.
Message: Posted by: Mad Jake (Jun 12, 2005 08:55PM)
[quote]
I would classify most Ickle Pickle stuff as poor, especially their Flexible Mirror and Tarbell Egg Bag.
[/quote]

IP used to have quality apparatus accross the board. I'm not sure what has happend with Steve and his spinners, I have one set, each cup is a different height, I have another set that the beads on the mouth are all different.

I can only assume this is what happens when you contract out your product for production and you're not there to oversee it. I have a lot of people send me their cups for bright polishing, after some working the cups look like they should.

I have to agree with coin matrix 2003 and also vote in "The Travelers Cups and Balls". The ad on ebay showed Gold cups, when recieved they were mini wood Walmart flower post, about 1.5" in height and sprayed unevenly with gold paint. I didn't feel so bad after seeing Bill Palmer site, he too bought a set of these, I think they are very rare, Bill and I probally have the only 2 sets :)

One more vote, the 6 shot India "Faux Brass Lota Vase" a reputable ebay dealer at the time advertised this a Brass, ended up being plastic, immediate pitch to the trash can upon opening the box.

Jake
Message: Posted by: Hengky Ciptanegara (Jun 12, 2005 09:43PM)
Tbaer,

Yes I had an experience like you and I believe all of us that bought this Protocol 153.51 have an experience like we do.

I never get a chance to tried this successfull....
Very-very DISSPOINTED item...
and the price seems not right...

Hengky
Message: Posted by: Joe Mauro (Jun 12, 2005 10:44PM)
[quote]
On 2005-06-12 12:34, evolve629 wrote:
I'm surprised nobody mentioned Jay Sankey's GEMINI POUCH and Metamorph. They have not seen a day of sunlight since I bought'em. I also dislike No. 2 Pencil, and Osmosis.
[/quote]

I think No. 2 pencil is one of the best paddle move effects. You can even use the pencil through coin with the Johnson Quarter. An flip stick. Lotsa mileage here.
Message: Posted by: enigmaticmagic (Jun 12, 2005 11:49PM)
I cant stand the web. I thought it would be awsome. I got it and realized that I just would never perform it. I kept the blank cards and gave the spider to my brother. its just the fact that you would have to be carrying a fake spider some wax and four cards in your pocket...
Message: Posted by: Logan (Jun 13, 2005 02:30AM)
This is probably the only thread in the Café' that I wince whenever I read.

You can really feel the pain here. I feel for you guys.

Anyway, my vote is for Matrix 2003 - that sucked bowling balls.
Message: Posted by: Ann Omminous (Jun 13, 2005 04:06AM)
The New DVD Thirteen: what a hunk of garbage! 13 effects that don't even belong to the so called performer who's DVD this is. That just highlights the lack of talent this individual has, just look at the trailer for it, its absolute crap, not one effect just cut away shots of someone walking or the performer looking moody. In all fairness the production values of this DVD are high but the content due to the performer is horrendous, from what I heard he didn't even deserve to win! Embarrasing! Stay well clear.
Message: Posted by: rannie (Jun 13, 2005 06:25AM)
Another vote for Matrix2003. From the same guy zI think , the real Float dvd.
I was pretty disappointed with Makin Sparks. It really did'nt spark.
Message: Posted by: sjdavison (Jun 13, 2005 06:28AM)
Sounds like Matrix 2003 is the worst by far, from ploughing my way through all these posts!! Think I'll have to get it, out of curiosity - see how bad it really is!!

Ailda - dear God. UFO - probably the worst thing I've ever seen. Blink - embarassing.

That said, owning and discarding these products ispart of the learning experience - makes you appreciate good books all the more. (Putting away my packet tricks and settling down to reread Paramiracles.)

Simon
Message: Posted by: Jon Allen (Jun 13, 2005 08:26AM)
Ann,

You have to realise that nobody takes any notice of negative posts from people that do not give a name or any contact details whatsoever.

In fact, you may well have helped the DVD!

Jon
Message: Posted by: Magic Nathan (Jun 13, 2005 08:36AM)
The crushed and cured DVD from MagicMakers. There is no dialogue on the entire DVD ..just some rap wanna be artist song playing over and over and over. No kidding....you have to hear the same terrible song play over an over while the rapper does some mime act to demonstrat the effect.

It left me with more questions than answers. I later learned it was a ripoff of Healed and Sealed and bought that instead.

Nathan
Message: Posted by: Ann Omminous (Jun 13, 2005 09:12AM)
[quote]
On 2005-06-13 09:26, Jon Allen wrote:
Ann,

You have to realise that nobody takes any notice of negative posts from people that do not give a name or any contact details whatsoever.

In fact, you may well have helped the DVD!

Jon
[/quote]

You seem to have taken notice Jon.I wonder if you happen to be friends with A.murray? As for helping the DVD, I think not, It's been well documented how poor the material on this '13' DVD is. I have nothing against any parties involved with 13, my interests purely lie in the upkeep and promotion of so called original, innovative material of which this has not one piece! Even on the back of the DVD one of the main sellers is CHAD LONGs routine, what the hell is this Jon! and how can YOU defend it? How can the Magic Cirle allow their name to be used in conjunction with it? Also no matter what you reply you have to agree about the trailer it's just plain awfull! Perhaps while you are here you can clear something up, there seems to be a certain amount of controversy as to the declared winner of the Magic Circles competition, apparently who should of won did not and vice versa, why is this?

A
Message: Posted by: The Drake (Jun 13, 2005 09:33AM)
I'm with Jon on this one. Most Café members ( including myself) don't put much clout in posts from people who toss out opinions while hiding in the bushes.

I've had a few debates with members in the past ( sometimes heated ) and although we don't always share the same opinions we do share the respect of knowing who we are dealing with.

My experience has been that posters hiding under cloaks use their invisibility to become a bit braver and tend to rant/flame more often. I have more respect for a post that dissagrees with me out in the open.


Worst Trick Ever......some little floating knit ball thing. One of my first tricks..the ad claimed this little ball would dance at your fingertips, float from hand to hand and could be done surrounded. It promised NO threads or magnets. It was a mini zombie sort of a thing with no foulard with a totally exposed gimmick. I wonder how many beginners bought that piece of junk!

Best,

Tim ( a real person with real contact info....try it sometime )
Message: Posted by: Ann Omminous (Jun 13, 2005 09:53AM)
I am glad you're with Jon, Tim, enjoy it! As for hiding whilst tossing in bushes I cannot comment. I retain my identity simply because of the precarious pitfalls this small, sometimes unforgiving community has to offer. I believe the Magic Café exists so that if you want to adopt an alias you can, simple. I am not trying to offend anyone just pass on my opinion, since I do not reveal myself my opinion will apparently matter little so don't threat, chill. Just out of curiosity have you Jon or Tim seen 13? If so what can you say on a positive level about this production, I am genuinely interested to know.

A
Message: Posted by: The Drake (Jun 13, 2005 10:16AM)
Nope...never seen 13. I could be lousy or it could be great.

If some 13 year old beginner posts its lousy because it didn't get him a standing ovation after 35 minutes of practice...I'll take his opinion with a grain of salt. If a competing magic dealer flames a product because he sells a competing product I'll consider that fact as well in his evaluation. If someone posts a review and they are known to know what they are talking about....I'll give that review some real clout.

But....this is why I can't really trust an anoynomus review.....I don't know if the poster is any of the above.

As we are getting of the thread topic I would suggest you repost this discussion in another thread if you'd like more imput. I'd be curious myself to read others opinion.

Best,

Tim

P.S. Regards the unforgiving community you mention.....I don't think we're really that bad. I've made many friends here and considered others real jerks but I know WHO they are and I thank them all for that. Jerks included.
Message: Posted by: evolve629 (Jun 13, 2005 10:19AM)
"Narnia? What's that?" said Lucy.

"This is the land of Narnia," said the Faun, "where we are now; all that lies between the lamp-post and the great castle of Cair Paravel on the Eastern Sea. . . ."

—The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe
Message: Posted by: Ann Omminous (Jun 13, 2005 10:20AM)
In that case Tim, I shall thank you too. Thanks
Message: Posted by: Tom Jorgenson (Jun 14, 2005 12:10PM)
EVERY lame trick in which a colored something is secretly put into a box/tube/sleeve and I tell you what color you put in. Lame. Lame lame lame lame. Who cares. minor puzzle, not magic, not mentalism. lame lame lame.


Lame.

Oh, and overpriced.
Message: Posted by: Nighthawk (Jun 17, 2005 10:27PM)
[quote]
On 2005-06-12 12:34, evolve629 wrote:
I'm surprised nobody mentioned Jay Sankey's GEMINI POUCH and Metamorph. They have not seen a day of sunlight since I bought'em. I also dislike No. 2 Pencil, and Osmosis.
[/quote]

Evolve629 and I must share some genetic code.....I have the same collection gathering dust in my cupboards....I thought Osmosis would be a huge effect...but I have only used it on my family ...and it was not all that great...Maybe its because I am not a drinker myself.

As a postscript...I must say that since I have been accessing the Magic Café...and the collective wisdom of its community..there is little that I have bought that I have not been happy with.
Message: Posted by: Nighthawk (Jun 17, 2005 11:00PM)
[quote]
On 2003-05-25 21:51, Larry Barnowsky wrote:
I have used the Now U See It gimmick as an opener for a misers dream routine. Both hands are held wide open and shown on both sides. Then the first coin appears, and disappears just as convincingly. This is about as magical as you can get. By using both hands together you can achieve pretty good angle coverage. I would use the gimmick sparingly as part of a coin routine and not as a one time effect. This is one of those sleeper items that I'm happy more people are either unaware of or think it's too difficult to pull off correctly.
[/quote]

I agree....this can look like absolutely real magic with time and effort invested into it....Indeed....maybe I am missing something ....but I am generally very critical about effects I buy ....and rarely truly satisfied...and this effect impressed me right out of the ox
Message: Posted by: Review King (Jun 18, 2005 01:59AM)
Cosmos. What a waste of time!
Message: Posted by: Mehtas (Jun 18, 2005 05:06AM)
"Paper coin banknote" from Don's Magic in london.

VERY expenssive and very poor quality item.


:kewl:
Message: Posted by: Nighthawk (Jun 18, 2005 08:40AM)
[quote]
On 2005-06-18 02:59, MagicChris wrote:
Cosmos. What a waste of time!
[/quote]

Cosmos a waste of time????? You obviously do not have the Cosmos I have....or you simply don't know anything about magic.....Indeed...you may not share my great enthusiasm for the effect but to catagorize it as one of your worst effects bought speaks more of you than it does of the effect.
Message: Posted by: Nightmare Weaver (Jun 18, 2005 09:24PM)
My vote goes to Killer Red Caps and Just Think.
Message: Posted by: tbaer (Jun 18, 2005 09:33PM)
Nightmare Weaver, you took the words right out of my mouth with killer red caps.
Message: Posted by: gngorick (Jun 18, 2005 09:45PM)
Flight 204: Sorry Sean, it's a very cool idea (I mean REALLY cool), but it is just one of thise things that only works on camera.

Penomenon: It doesn't work (at least for me).

The Dancing Silk: Never used it. Probably never will.
Message: Posted by: Turk (Jun 18, 2005 10:44PM)
Alright!! Enough already!! I've held off as long as I can with an idea that I have wanted to post and send to Steve Brooks for a long time. Three thoughts have been swirling around in my mind for about a year and they have been struggling to coalese into a new Café web page!! The three thoughts:

1. "One Man's Trash is Another Man's Treasure", and,
2. "If it REALLY the Worst Magic Thing You Ever Had, surely ANYTHING Else would be an Improvement", and,
3. "Put Your Money Where Your Mouth Is"

Here's the concept: I propose that Steve add a special section under the Buy, Sell, Trade area where we can get rid of our most hated and perceived VALUELESS item(s). By posting in this area, we are also providing a public service by alerting the other members that we really thing the item is a real stinker and they have been warned and acquire at their own risk.

The posting in such an area also solves many an ethical dilemma of "How can you, in good conscience, foist this turkey off onto a fellow magician?" "How can you do such a dastardly thing and still look yourself in the mirror each morning?" By posting in this new area, your conscience is clear.

By posting in this area, no long-winded diatribes are required to justify your position. The mere act of posting in this section is warning enough. All have been forewarned and no further lengthy descriptions are required to put the world on notice.

We might call the new area [b]"Trade your Turkey"[/b] or "[b]"Trade your Dog"[/b] or something similar. I'm not certain what the ultimate "trade rules" criteria should be, but, right now I'm thinking if you REALLY REALLY think this item is totally worthless, perhaps you should put your money where your mouth is and accept the first publicly posted trade offer that appears under your trade offer. (S&H would be extra because some turkeys weigh more than others.)

Maybe, just maybe, this would result in a win-win situation for both parties. (grin) Each person gets out from under the worst piece of magic they own AND they have a chance to better themselves in the trade AND all ethicla dilemmas are resolved!! Certainly, you can do no worse than that of keeping your vile hated objcet of scorn and derision. Think of this as a positive Mental Health alternative.

The offer is made "kind of" tongue-in-cheek (but not quite). Kind of a Serendipity Thing--but I throw it out there for your consideration.

I've now really got to go to my room and take my meds. Later.

Mike

P.S. An added benefit might be that by forcing people to post these types of comments in such a highly pre-qualified area (such as "Trade Your Turkey"), we might stop a lot of the pi**ing and moaning that seems to eminate here on the Café with little or no consequences nor with little critical evaluation being made before such a rant is made about an object. Perhaps if you were required to trade such a turkey as a condition of posting your rant, we might get a more valuable perspective about an object. Certainly a critiquer's credibility would rise inestimably in my mind if I knew the person was also offering to trade this supposed turkey for ANYTHING else without condition. And, at the very least, by segregating such negative comments into a defined isolated area, we could be assured that we would not keep finding these types of comments sprinkled (without warning) anywhere (or everywhere) else on the Café.
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Jun 19, 2005 02:29PM)
[quote]
On 2003-02-21 10:39, iSawThat wrote:
Bob Hummer's Whirling Card is a bit on the bad side, as is Sam Woodrow's Heavy Metal and Out of Control. I'm a Sankey fan, and when he advertised these on his website and endorsed them I thought they might be good. But I've come to learn slowly that Sankey's gimmicked effects aren't really up to standard, and his videos and books are a much better gauge of this guy's creativity.
[/quote]
Nobody sells the Hummer Whirlaway Card exactly as Hummer performed it. The real method is tipped in the Crandall collection from Tops. It works, but nobody will do it.


Posted: Jun 19, 2005 3:40pm
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[quote]
On 2003-06-13 21:11, xaratax wrote:
Talking about bad videos...

Peki and the art of floating.
[/quote]
The information is good, but old-fashioned.

The video is Chinese -- On Too Long.


Posted: Jun 19, 2005 3:47pm
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[quote]
On 2004-04-19 18:17, daffydoug wrote:
Hey Rennie,

I'm glad I am not the only one who purchased that MONSTROSITY from Paul!

The exact name was "Phantom At The Fingertips" Remember now?

Anyway, I was instructed to go out and purchase (Yup, spend MORE money) an archers arm covering. Then I was supposed to take glue and glue the device to that, then after all this rigamarole, you had to fit it on yourself, and hide it under your coat (Yeah, RIGHT!)
and then after all those hours of headaches the %$@&^ thing STILL didn't work.

I can see that you have been in magic a LONG time, Rennie, because that was a LOOONG time back!

You know, that contraption reminds me of something Harry Anderson uses in his act as a comedy gag. He calls it the "Grappler!" Have you ever seen it? It's side splitting funny!
[/quote]

This was, indeed, one of the top ten pieces of junk of all time. But Mark Wilson actually used something like this on one of his specials.

You need to have an assistant who can operate the rod for you behind your back.


Posted: Jun 19, 2005 4:28pm
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Killer Red Caps. I know it's a redundant listing, but I could never see what I needed to. Maybe it's my eyes. But for me it was junk.
Message: Posted by: Parson Smith (Jun 22, 2005 10:16PM)
Bill,
I have Killer Red Caps at the top of my junk list.
I would like to sell my set, but am just too ashamed to stick it on someone else.
Peace,
Parson
Message: Posted by: HogK (Jun 27, 2005 06:07AM)
Hi,
If the worst trick is the most impractical trick, I have to say Braco's floating ball and Coin matrix 2003.
Per
Message: Posted by: bishthemagish (Jun 28, 2005 08:40AM)
In my opinion their is little bad magic in magic. Often the bad magic is due to bad or cheap construction of the product. Or because it may be a knock off - rip off product. And in this case people get what they pay for.

When I worked in my Dads magic shop we got in the Wandering Hole. many people saw this and thought it was bad magic. I worked out a routine for it and sold many at the Houdini Convention that year. And when Terry Vecky saw me do the trick he got one and said - teach me that - because that is the way to do that routine.

I feel the bad part of magic is in the instructions. because most instructions are not very clear. And almost every trick in the old days of the magic shop. I had to work out a different way to do it for the demonstration.

The instruction problem is starting to change a little now with DVD instructions but it is taking time. When a kid buys magic and gets a small paper with very bad instructions on it like for the linking rings. I think it is very bad because it is very hard for them to do the trick with instructions like that.

I told this story in the Café before about Eugean Burger. He took two tricks that some people would consider to be bad magic. The Hyrum the haunted hank and the out to lunch. Then he added great patter and a spirit writing story. Then these two bad out of date effects became great magic theater.

In many cases magic sells what the lay audience might consider to be junk. Like a shot glass, a ball, a rubber band and safety pin. Put it together and it becomes the vanishing glass of liquid. And it the right hands a great table magic trick.

But to a kid getting into magic or the lay audience - and both do not understand it. Or take the time to learn it or perform it - Junk?
Message: Posted by: Frank Tougas (Jul 1, 2005 08:53AM)
When I first got into magic I ordered from catalogs. Kanter's of PA. was a huge catalog I'd never seen anything like it. I saved my money and bought some stuff I could afford. One of the tricks was called Skullduggery. It read good in the catalog (don't they always) but when I got the props they were cheaply made even by magic standards and at one point in the instructions, there was an illustration of a transfer of these three plastic sticks from your left hand, to your other left hand. Wish I still had the catalog - It would be a collectable and worth much more than all the magic I purchased and waited for weeks to get from Kanter's.

Frank Tougas
Message: Posted by: oagwood (Jul 2, 2005 12:18AM)
Great to see this thread alive and well.

came across "psycho ball" in a box the other day, using my abilities from its instructions it is now in the trash.

oliver
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Jul 2, 2005 10:58AM)
Hideo Kato's "Wandering Hole" was a really great concept. There was another one that came out before that -- looked like a "Fraidy Cat Rabbit" prop with a piece of white masonite that had a red arrow and a hole in it. It was a real woofer.

There was an early Zig-Zag card that was produced by a fellow from Texas. This thing was made of plexiglas®. He had it at the TAOM in Fort Worth. While he was showing it to Dai Vernon, the doors kept falling off of it. Vernon turned to one of us and said "That's the biggest piece of crap I ever saw in my life! Tell him it's GREAT!"

No amount of re-write on the instructions to that one would have saved it.
Message: Posted by: bishthemagish (Jul 2, 2005 11:12AM)
[quote]
On 2005-07-02 11:58, Bill Palmer wrote:
Hideo Kato's "Wandering Hole" was a really great concept.
[/quote]
Jay Marshall told me that it could have inspired the pen through anything!
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Jul 2, 2005 11:17AM)
John Cornelius' Instructions state rather plainly that it inspired the Pen Through Anything.

Posted: Jul 2, 2005 11:57pm

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The worst trick I have bought is the cups and balls. But I keep doing it and doing it and doing it. Will I ever learn?
Message: Posted by: RandyStewart (Jul 2, 2005 11:54PM)
[quote]
On 2005-07-02 11:58, Bill Palmer wrote:

There was an early Zig-Zag card that was produced by a fellow from Texas. This thing was made of plexiglas®. He had it at the TAOM in Fort Worth. While he was showing it to Dai Vernon, the doors kept falling off of it. Vernon turned to one of us and said "That's the biggest piece of crap I ever saw in my life! Tell him it's GREAT!"
[/quote]

Thanks Bill and our late Professor! That is the sort of stuff that reminds me I haven't lost my mind.
Message: Posted by: Paul Rathbun (Jul 6, 2005 10:47PM)
I bought a trick from Hank lee's called the bandit. The description sounded great (all his do) but when I got it I couldn't see it fooling anyone. I was fooled into buying it.
Message: Posted by: MagicJared (Jul 7, 2005 07:46PM)
God, how do I choose. Maybe protocol 153-51 because the gimmick magically dissapeared before I could even use it. . .
Message: Posted by: hypnoman1 (Jul 28, 2005 11:19PM)
Killer Red Caps and Just Think
Message: Posted by: graemesd (Jul 29, 2005 05:58PM)
Go to tell you this

I had my honeymoon in sorrento 8 years ago - I had been a magician for12 years at the time.

I saw an old man on the street corner woith a music box and next to the box was a dancing ping-pong ball figure - but it was on it's own - and it was dancing to the music - the man wasnt anywhere near it - infact he kept getting up and wandering - thhe ping pong man kept dancing to the beat!!
I stared with curiosity for some time - I finally sucummed(SP) -
I had been done by an old guy and a bit of fishing line!!!!
I throughn it in the bin as I walked down the street

there's my candidate

embarassingly yours

graeme
Message: Posted by: Mike Brezler (Jul 30, 2005 11:49PM)
Since joining The Magic Café I have bought very few tricks that I don't like.
Being able to read reviews of tricks before buying is fantastic.
Thanks to all, at the Café!

Now for the junk I bought in earlier days in no certain order,
they are all junk.

I hate tricks that make a lot of NOISE, when you should hear none.
Ultra Ring Flight, made in Hong Kong.... very loud
Jumbo 3 card monte... very loud

Most items that are made in India...very poor quality.

Polly learns a card trick, by Bruce Kalver...parrot talks too quietly
The Golden Key... poorly made
Ring Escape by Rob Stiff... a little kid can figure this out.
These are just a few of my dust collectors.
Message: Posted by: kregg (Aug 1, 2005 11:29AM)
The real trick purchased was that we were "tricked" into purchasing.
Message: Posted by: Eric Dittelman (Aug 1, 2005 12:47PM)
I bought "Card thru Card" because it sounded like a cool concept...but if I can't fool myself with a trick, then I can't expect the audience to be fooled. Maybe it needs more practice, but it still looks cheesy to me!

-Eric D.
Message: Posted by: rayg1952 (Nov 6, 2005 03:04PM)
For me it would be Visible Changing Card.
Message: Posted by: Joe Russell (Nov 8, 2005 02:49PM)
SUPER NAIL by magic makers, its all crap I say....except match box penetration (just the gimmick, not the effect it comes with)
Message: Posted by: Howard Coberly (Dec 18, 2005 02:14PM)
[quote]
On 2003-02-20 21:27, Terry wrote:
How about this:
Rattle Bars from Daytona for $75.-- what a rip!

Completely Cold - I guess I didn't understand it - a rip.

The Envelope Please - the instruction start with "To do the effect you need a confederate..." a real rip!

Predict the Square Circle - a kiddie rip!

Color Monte - a flaming rip!

Kennedy's Sonic Silver - mostly a rip!
[/quote]
Hi, Terry,

I'm not familiar with the other items that you mentioned but I had the opportunity to see John Kennedy perform Sonic Silver in several different venues including a restaurant reception and it seemed to get a good response.

I don't think that it would fool most magicians but that really means nothing.

I don't own the trick but knowing the mechanics behind it and having seen it performed I was curious as to what aspects of the trick you were unhappy with.


PM me if you like.
Thanks
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Dec 18, 2005 08:09PM)
I don't like Color Monte much at all, either, but I know a fellow who has done it as part of his street act for the last 15 years and never fails to kill with it. So that one is one I would disagree on.

[quote](from Mr. Mike)
Ring Escape by Rob Stiff.
[/quote]

It is rare that a phrase can be an oxymoron and redundant at the same time.
Message: Posted by: mcharisse (Jan 10, 2007 04:57AM)
I'd vote for Dis-Armed. Gimmick is obvious, and at $75, iits a costly dust-collector on the shelf. (Sure is a pretty prop, though. Too bad)
Message: Posted by: edh (Jan 10, 2007 07:59PM)
I have a question for those of you that have posted on this subject.(mods if you feel that this is not on subject please delete the post and I will start another thread.)

What was it that got you to buy the effect(s) to begin with?
Was it the a demo or advertisement?
Was the demo or adverstisement misleading in your opinion?
Was it the reviews it recieved?
Was it recommended to you buy someone whose opinion you value?
Was it shoddy workmanship?
etc. etc.
Message: Posted by: patrick flanagan (Jan 11, 2007 11:28AM)
In the early 90's, I bought (unseen) Abbott's Vanishing Alarm Clocks at the Get-Together. I had to wait 6 weeks for it to arrive. I paid $100 for the something that a 5 year old could have constructed better. I considered sending it back, but instead decided to prominently display it, front and center, in the room I keep all my magic stuff. I, always, wanted to be reminded of that item when buying things unseen.
Patrick
Message: Posted by: evolve629 (Jan 11, 2007 02:06PM)
[quote]
On 2004-04-21 21:03, Mxn wrote:
The worst one I've purchased was budha Money trick...it looked neat but it really wasn't worth it...
[/quote]
You don't like Buddha Money Mystery? I thought it's an easy great little trick for only 3 bucks. It sure fools the pants of some of my coworkers! I'm sorry that it's your worst...
Message: Posted by: mcharisse (Jan 12, 2007 11:25PM)
Good question, EDH. I buy a trick because I can see myself performing it, I imagine a presentation I can make with it.
I think some tricks aren't really dogs, they just don't turn out to work for us, but others, I'm afraid, seem like bade tricks. Not that someone, someplace still couldn't come up with an entertaining routine. Many years ago I worked in a magic shop, so have a pretty good idea of many props out there.
I've only recenlty bought a couple of unknowns online and in this case, I bought Disarmed relying on an online review, before I found this site, which would have steered me clear, I've since discovered. An not-so-cheap lesson in how reliable those reviews on dealers sites can be.
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Jan 13, 2007 12:36PM)
Let's have a big dose of reality here.

If you go on to a web site that has nothing but reviews in a forum that is moderated by the dealer, what kind of reviews do you think you will see?

***** This is a killer trick. I use it at recess in the skoolyard every day. At least I did until that big kid kicked my a...

***** This is the best trick I have ever bought. Its so much better than my other one.

And these reviews are not signed by anyone you ever heard of.

Or you will see a review that says:

"Well, Frank has done it again. This is at least as good as his famous Killer Green Caps, that everyone in magic was talking about last year."

Of course, it doesn't say what everyone was saying about the trick.

Any negative reviews will get pulled off dealer forums instantly.

The only bad trick you have is one you don't use.

I have two warehouses, a room in my house and half my garage taken up with stuff like that. However, some of it I don't use because I don't work the venues where they are appropriate any more.

Except for Braco's floating ball. That one shouldn't have gotten out for that price. If it had cost a lot less, it would have been worth it for the idea. The irony is that Braco has a wonderful floating ball trick that he can't market, because everyone is still ticked off at him for this dog.
Message: Posted by: Chessmann (Jan 13, 2007 01:54PM)
Could he bring it to market it under an assumed name, or anonymously?
Message: Posted by: evolve629 (Jan 13, 2007 02:21PM)
[quote]
On 2004-11-20 15:07, stevesmagic wrote:
Both 3 domino monte and sucker born every minute, who supplied them....Penguin of course, awful
[/quote]
Agree! Sucker Born Every Minute is a ripped off from Bank Night or its concept.
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Jan 13, 2007 03:32PM)
[quote]
On 2007-01-13 14:54, Chessmann wrote:
Could he bring it to market it under an assumed name, or anonymously?
[/quote]

I don't think he would want to. That's the problem. The thing is that much of what everyone thinks about IT work that is original came directly from Braco.
Message: Posted by: rbattle (Jan 21, 2007 07:51PM)
I like the posts by people who think a few minutes of set-up is too much ( Healed & Sealed etc.). That means there are fewer people doing amazing things because it is too much trouble to be amazing.

Robert
Message: Posted by: George Ledo (Jan 21, 2007 08:22PM)
I remember many years ago I bought a dancing handkerchief trick. It was supposed to make the thing dance inside a bottle and this and that. It was only a few bucks but it sounded marvelous: something I could definitely use.

I won't give it away here, but when it arrived, it was a little piece of metal with a tiny swivel hook attached to it, and some instructions that basically said, here it is, you're on your own. What ticked me off wasn't so much that it was very simple, but that the instructions weren't practical -- you could not do the effect described with the thing as it came. It would have looked silly. That, plus the setup required.

Ah, well, such is the learning curve...
Message: Posted by: Killed_CZ (Mar 1, 2007 10:00AM)
About seven years ago, I guess, I was thinking about how the David Copperfield made the steam / fog in his hands when putting together the baseball card in his TV special :) On one czech "magic shop" I found something that was described as :

You put little on your thumb and when you wish you simply heat that with other finger by little pressure and then magicaly apears SMOKE.

It sounds cool and amazing .. it was small tube, about 3$ price and that great efect :) ... well .. in fact ... when opened ... it was horibble stink. No mather .. magician must get over :) then I pressed fingers and .... they were fixed together little bit ... one more press .. another ... another .. both of my fingers get black and dirt :) ...

I called the Magic Studio (the shop) and I was told that ... when .. press and release .. press and release ... then some fibres will be done and while waving the hand it will look like a SMOKE :)

Worst think I have never bought .. no mather money .. but ... it was so impractical and only to bee seen from few inches :D


By the way .. does anybody know how to do fog or smoke without using the big apparatus or cigaret ;) ? ( also don't tell me wait till winter and try to exhale hot air from your mouth as one my friend told me :D )
Message: Posted by: Whit Haydn (Mar 1, 2007 10:15AM)
The spirit gum trick "smoke trick" you are speaking of is one of the first I ever learned. It actually looks pretty good when done right.
Message: Posted by: Vandy Grift (Mar 1, 2007 10:21AM)
The worst trick I ever bought is a great trick. It's the worst one I ever bought because I never perform it, and probably never will. It's not right for the places I do magic or the type of magic I do. So in that sense it was a waste of money.

You can actually get a decent illusion from "mystic smoke", but the stuff is messy.
Message: Posted by: Killed_CZ (Mar 1, 2007 10:41AM)
Well .. so it must be "after expiration date" tube in my case :D
Message: Posted by: Geraldo78 (Jun 3, 2007 03:31AM)
[quote]
On 2004-04-24 00:14, Fraser Gould wrote:
Two of the worst props I have ever bought both came from Dave Powell (is that name spelled right?).

His newspaper seance gimmick was so poorly made, I couldn't give it away (yes, I did try to unload it on some friends).

His card case fountain arrived in the mail in pieces - the glue had come undone in transit. I fixed that, but the motor on the prop wasn't strong enough to ever shoot the cards out with any consistency. A couple of days after receiving it, the wheel that shoots out the cards came flying off the motor.

Two cases of a really great idea but shoddy workmanship.
[/quote]

Thank you for this post, Fraser Gold!!
Has consider to buy this cardfountain, because can use it into my hand.
And its cheaper as the other cardfountains.

But, now I will not buy this trash.
Message: Posted by: Dale (Jul 1, 2007 12:40AM)
I know this is an old topic but it sure is informative....and funny! Funny because we're all suckered (to varying degrees) by an avalanche of these "incredible" new releases daily.

I am no exception. I purchased Protocol 153.51 off the net thinking it was going to be the greatest thing in history. Flushing my money down the toilet would have given me greater pleasure! IMHO it is impractical, unreliable and not at all user friendly (especially not to the spectator). Another poor decision was to purchase Impossible Devination. Did this effect really get by every magician and journalist who ever saw it, as the ad says? Maybe it's just me........but I seriously doubt it.

On a positive note, I did attempt to purchase Braco's Floating Ball a number of years ago (which would not have been a wise decision, according to soooo many members on this thread!). I had met a reasonably famous magician/internet magic proprietor at a convention and contacted him about the purchase. To his credit, as I had already placed the order and given my credit details, he contacted me to say that he couldn't and wouldn't sell this "monstrosity" to me (his word). I owe him a huge debt of thanks.

To put this topic into perspective, I wish these duds weren't inflicted upon us, but I guess they're all a part of the learning curve.
Message: Posted by: Guardian452 (Jul 1, 2007 12:31PM)
I have to say Gutbuster is my worst buy


the gimmick is too big and bulky (in my opinion)

and only fits a certain number of people


Ill be making my own smaller gimmick so I can perform this
Message: Posted by: CAROLINI (Jul 13, 2007 02:18PM)
There is one very obvious point being made in this thread. We have all made purchasing mistakes over the years. My question is "what should we do with those items"? We could attempt to sell them on e-bay, but if we didn't like them maybe no one else likes them either. We wouldn't want to deceive another buyer. We could give them away to another performer or a local club for performers. We could just package them up and sell them for a pittance to one of the few organizations that buy used magic. Or we could just throw them in the garbage and forget about it. I have done all of the above except e-bay. The others all worked to a certain degree. Personally I am at the stage now where I would feel deceitful trying to sell my mistakes. I realize that one man's junk could be another's treasure but for my own peace of mind I'm tired of looking at the stuff and the last stop will be the garbage man. I have enough effects to last me the rest of my life. Of course, I'll be tempted by all the latest advertisements but that's what got me into trouble to begin with. There will be no more purchases of the latest miracles for me. Thank you.
Message: Posted by: Lash (Jul 17, 2007 09:58PM)
Years ago I purchased a stupid gimmick to produce cards from thin air. Definately worth learning the sleights instead of using this dumb piece of junk. Also I got this rising wand once. It wasn't worth it either.
Message: Posted by: CAROLINI (Aug 28, 2007 10:56AM)
A very interesting website http://www.25offmagic.com. They tell you what's bad and why and what's good and why. Yes, it is just one opinion but well worth considering.
Message: Posted by: Bertrand Thornley (Aug 31, 2007 01:49AM)
The worst trick I bought was the Hover Grandmother. Not only did the ad fail to tell me the grandmother wasn't included; mine had just died merely a week previously. Not only did I feel ripped off but also sad, but more ripped off. Double wammy! Dealers suck.
Message: Posted by: Mumblemore (Oct 5, 2007 08:04PM)
Lounghran's Elevator was terrible. I've heard he produces good illusions, but this one was a dog. . .
Message: Posted by: evolve629 (Oct 5, 2007 08:31PM)
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On 2007-08-31 02:49, Bertrand Thornley wrote:
The worst trick I bought was the Hover Grandmother. Not only did the ad fail to tell me the grandmother wasn't included; mine had just died merely a week previously. Not only did I feel ripped off but also sad, but more ripped off. Double wammy! Dealers suck.
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What about grandpa's Hover?
Message: Posted by: gardini (Oct 6, 2007 05:23AM)
Cris angel's masterminds vol 2. Just bad effect way over priced. Must be the second worst thing I got. The first thing was from mondo magic a dealer on ebay sold close up tricks buy the lot claiming that they were professional quailtiy, but unfortantly they were all cheap plastic rip offs of tricks I ended up giving them to my kids to play around with.

Scott
Message: Posted by: evolve629 (Oct 6, 2007 10:56AM)
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On 2007-08-28 11:56, CAROLINI wrote:
A very interesting website http://www.25offmagic.com. They tell you what's bad and why and what's good and why. Yes, it is just one opinion but well worth considering.
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The website link does not work..
Message: Posted by: dpe666 (Oct 7, 2007 10:17PM)
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On 2007-07-01 13:31, Guardian452 wrote:
I have to say Gutbuster is my worst buy


the gimmick is too big and bulky (in my opinion)

and only fits a certain number of people


Ill be making my own smaller gimmick so I can perform this
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If it was such a bad buy, why are you taking the time making a smaller gimmick so you can still perform this illusion? :devilish:
Message: Posted by: ghostpianist (Oct 30, 2007 01:30AM)
When I first started with magic I used to buy a lot of single effects from Penguin and Elusionist. The tricks aren't all that bad but later turned out to be not worth the money. With the same amount of money you can probably buy some nice books with 10 times as many tricks.
Message: Posted by: MagicianDM (Nov 14, 2007 03:53AM)
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On 2004-08-01 18:59, DrNorth wrote:
A coin and mirror effect called Eclipse, by I think Tenyo. Back in the mid to late eighties some genius came out with a pure slight effect called Twilight I believe, it was a two sided pocket mirror and you supplied 4 coins, in the US $0.50 pieces are recommended, in short you have one coin and one mirror, through a series of slights coins multiplied, imaged coins turned over after the "real" one was turned over a brilliant effect. Tenyo came out with a purely mechanical version that looked, well mechanical. I have found that most Tenyo effects are a weird plastic box that can be nothing but a gimmicked thing, as it resembles no actual thing anyone would own. (But many effects have that failing IMHO) how many round boxes with holes for nails does one see? Esp a plastic box with plastic nails. It's why I got into bazzare, I can buy props on ebay or a flea market, and whiel they may look odd, at least its something that someone may have seen in their lives.
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Eclipse is the best gimmicked trick I know! It's genius and the audience have 0% of figuring this out! And it's well made, will last a life time! And it's visual! And it's made of good type of plastic, it wont break.
Message: Posted by: Mr. Mystoffelees (Nov 14, 2007 10:16AM)
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On 2007-10-06 11:56, evolve629 wrote:
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On 2007-08-28 11:56, CAROLINI wrote:
A very interesting website http://www.25offmagic.com. They tell you what's bad and why and what's good and why. Yes, it is just one opinion but well worth considering.
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The website link does not work..


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http://www.25offmagic.com/ SEEMS TO WORK NOW ...
Message: Posted by: Andy the cardician (Nov 14, 2007 04:20PM)
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On 2007-10-30 02:30, ghostpianist wrote:
When I first started with magic I used to buy a lot of single effects from Penguin and Elusionist. The tricks aren't all that bad but later turned out to be not worth the money. With the same amount of money you can probably buy some nice books with 10 times as many tricks.
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well said. You might want to read this as well . . .

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=226539&forum=41&29


Andy
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Nov 18, 2007 06:30PM)
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On 2007-11-14 11:16, mandarin wrote:
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On 2007-10-06 11:56, evolve629 wrote:
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On 2007-08-28 11:56, CAROLINI wrote:
A very interesting website http://www.25offmagic.com. They tell you what's bad and why and what's good and why. Yes, it is just one opinion but well worth considering.
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The website link does not work..


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http://www.25offmagic.com/ SEEMS TO WORK NOW ...
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I have seen more than one item really messed up by this amateur magician's reviews. If one of his friends buys something and isn't satisfied with it, he lies about it.

And if someone gives one of his tricks a bad review he really gets ticked off about it.
Message: Posted by: disneywld (May 14, 2008 06:38PM)
Here's a word from George at Viking/CW about the T'ang Dynasty Tea Chest Mystery. They have always provided the best customer service with their products:

Hi Christopher; sorry for the problem. I wish people would tell US (like you are doing).I don't go to those sites so I never hear about problems, but as soon as I do I try to correct them. All I need is s bit of feed-back. I will shoot new pictures and rewrite the instructions. I have been using the original CW instructions and since I know how to work the effect, I assumed the instructions were good. Upon reading them now, I see that they need work. I am sorry for the lack of proper guidenace and will correct this. You might let those on Magic Café know that we are issuing new instructions so if they are having problems, they should contact us.

Please give me a couple of days to sort this out. And again, ANYTIME you have a problem with any of our items or have suggestions to improve something, please feel free to contact us.

Sincerely,
George Robinson Jr.
Viking/CW
Message: Posted by: michaelmagicart (May 16, 2008 01:08PM)
I was just reading the post from Terry; unfortunately it was about 5 years ago. Anyway, regarding Color Monte (Emerson and West), I would have to disagree totally that it was a rip. Color Monte is probably one of the leading packet tricks of all time. The mechanics of the trick are simple and the presentation leaves a stunning climax. I actually made this in Jumbo size for my own personal use and found it to always be a crowd pleaser. I think, if you read this Terry, I would suggest “learning” the routine that comes with the 3 cards.
When you have mastered the patter and presentation, then I believe in all sincerity that you will understand the effect and it will become a favorite of yours.
Message: Posted by: Peter Pitchford (May 24, 2008 05:03PM)
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On 2008-05-16 14:08, Michaelmagicart wrote:
I was just reading the post from Terry; unfortunately it was about 5 years ago. Anyway, regarding Color Monte (Emerson and West), I would have to disagree totally that it was a rip. Color Monte is probably one of the leading packet tricks of all time. The mechanics of the trick are simple and the presentation leaves a stunning climax. I actually made this in Jumbo size for my own personal use and found it to always be a crowd pleaser. I think, if you read this Terry, I would suggest “learning” the routine that comes with the 3 cards.
When you have mastered the patter and presentation, then I believe in all sincerity that you will understand the effect and it will become a favorite of yours.
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Ditto. It is straight forward, it has an excellent premise and presentation, and it hits hard at the end. It's funny that I was away from this for around six years. My friend John Pyka turned me back on to this and I have been doing it the past 2 months or so and it never ceases to get excellent reactions. Definitely a classic.
Message: Posted by: Giacomo Moretti (Apr 2, 2009 06:07PM)
Revolution from Elusionist. A very very modest trick for a steep price.

G.
Message: Posted by: tommid (Jun 2, 2009 06:54PM)
Not a worst trick post as such but I hate it when a company advertises a trick for "pre order". Well you can pre order if you like but the only advantage I can see is you may get it 2 or 3 days before anyone else. So by the time the bad reviews hit the forums you are stuck with it . On a serious note .. if I have missed the point of "pre ordering" I would love it if "someone" from a company who does this would explain why they feel the need to sell in this way
Message: Posted by: Tom Jorgenson (Jul 24, 2010 10:46PM)
I think you pretty much nailed it.
Message: Posted by: The Manipulator (Jul 25, 2010 06:17AM)
Titans finger...
Message: Posted by: bottlemaster (Jul 28, 2010 02:03PM)
'Animal Magic' from the now-disappeared Repro Magic. A couple of cards with really naff animal pictures on them, and an overall naff effect.
Message: Posted by: Dennis Michael (Jul 28, 2010 04:08PM)
Not all things pre-order is bad. Some are bought on the reputation of the seller.
Message: Posted by: Cyberqat (Jul 29, 2010 02:42PM)
And often pre-order will come with an incentive like a lower price or an extra.

The advantage for the (honest) seller really is cash-flow. It allows them to get some money in "up front" to help defer the costs of starting production.

When used responsibly it can be a win/win for buyer and seller.
Message: Posted by: Gerald Blankenship (Dec 16, 2019 04:53PM)
The effect " UH " very poor quality box trim falling off upon arrival and it would not work due to interior of box too small for ball to enter glass. Returned item but had to pay ship charges.
Message: Posted by: critter (Dec 29, 2019 12:09PM)
Not necessarily a bad item but they bait and switched me on my first haunted key. The thing is so shiny it looks like plastic. Like it's haunted by Lady Gaga. Once I knew the method I can find the prop almost anywhere, it was just a sad way to lose $20 when for just a single sheet of instructions.


For the most part these days I'm minimalist so I only buy what I know I need to enhance the skills I've played hard to develop.
Message: Posted by: _W_ (Dec 29, 2019 02:21PM)
One of the first things I purchased when I started magic was The Perfect Vanish by Tony Polli. It’s not all that bad, but for $5, you’re only getting 1 vanish that’s really angly.
Message: Posted by: weirdwizardx (Dec 30, 2019 10:34AM)
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