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Topic: Semi-final Phenomenon
Message: Posted by: CAROLINI (Nov 14, 2007 08:29PM)
Sorry but I can't get enthused for any performer on tonights show. It felt like I was at a magicians convention. I agree with C.A. and URI for the first time....Angela was not entertaining for an audience. Her performance was a one-on-one close-up trick. Mike- since when can a mentalist "produce" a motorcycle? Raven just did another version of "smash & stab". How many versions have there been over the weeks of this show? Bavli - a spoon would have been too small so lets use a sign. O.K. but please don't keep moving closer to it while it bends. Gerry - you may not call them stooges but someone had to give them the the correct posters and show them what to draw based on their seating in the theater. All in all it was an interesting MAGIC show. However, who am I to criticize....a nobody.
Message: Posted by: Slim King (Nov 14, 2007 08:54PM)
All too true :)
Message: Posted by: Parson Smith (Nov 14, 2007 10:37PM)
Give me a bit of help here.
I was out and missed the whole thing.
Would somebody please give a brief (or not) recap of what happened tonight?

Thanks,
Parson

Added at 10:36 Central...

Will nobody help the old, blind parson?
Message: Posted by: Slim King (Nov 14, 2007 10:46PM)
I would but I'm off to bed....there are few descriptions on some other threads but only *** knows where they are :)
Message: Posted by: Mauricio Jaramillo (Nov 14, 2007 10:50PM)
I was also curious and found this quick recap, though I'm sure there's a lot more to find out about the show:

http://www.buddytv.com/articles/phenomenon/phenomenon-episode-4-recap-13776.aspx
Message: Posted by: johne (Nov 14, 2007 10:51PM)
Angela...had a display of birthstones on chains...used a celeb. spectator to channel her into selecting the wrong stone. She then had her write the name of someone close to her...she revealed this in a polaroid picture that she took of the celeb. As the picture developed, you could see the name of the person "thought" of.

Raven...blindfold routine...walk up four stairs, then step over A) broken glass B) razor blades C) scorpions, then jumping off onto a mattress off one side of the platform...one side had a board of nails...of course he feigned as if he was going to jump to the nails, then fell backwards to the safe side.

Guy...spoon bend, spoon melt/break then a stop sign bend.

Super...Three predictions come true with the surprise of the one item materializing, including all predictions. Yes he produced a motorcycle on stage. It would have been better had he then closed the curtain, and had them open it to reveal a vanish...then of course he could fire it up center of the audience. (I'm kidding).

Gerry...postcard prediction...Celeb selects of of many to find she has selected the only one with a message written on it. Then second celeb thought of a landmark from this postcare and revealed her drawing...Eiffel tower, and the audience held signs over their heads that revealed a superlarge picture of the eiffel tower. Gerry is off the show now.

Then they announced they would tell what was in "the envelopes" next show...

J
Message: Posted by: Parson Smith (Nov 14, 2007 10:53PM)
Thanks.

Gerry was voted off?

Parson
Message: Posted by: johne (Nov 14, 2007 10:56PM)
I may have missed it, as I was working on my computer while watching...I thought Uri and Criss decided between Gerry and Guy. I did see Gerry and Guy hugging and whispering and Gerry walked off stage. It looked as if he was voted off by Criss Angel and Uri.

Dang I typed all that and then someone posts that great link ;O)

J
Message: Posted by: Mauricio Jaramillo (Nov 14, 2007 10:59PM)
[quote]
On 2007-11-14 23:56, johne wrote:
Dang I typed all that and then someone posts that great lind ;O)
[/quote]

Haha, sorry about that John, but thanks for your write-up.

What's the story with Criss not wanting to hold Angel's hand, what exactly happened?
Message: Posted by: Parson Smith (Nov 14, 2007 10:59PM)
Thanks John.
Message: Posted by: bdekolta (Nov 14, 2007 11:01PM)
[quote]Gerry was voted off?[/quote]

Gerry was voted off twice. Once by the audience, once by the "judges". I think he holds the distinction of being the only contestant voted off twice. I enjoyed his act tonight.
Message: Posted by: Slim King (Nov 14, 2007 11:06PM)
Or you could look at it as the judges simply adding someone back into the contest of THEIR selection. The judges don't vote...remember? This is not how it was set up.....Nor was the "Other" thing...Make up the rules as you go :)
Message: Posted by: RileyG (Nov 14, 2007 11:08PM)
Recap from last prediction posted here on the Magic Café

A) I think that Mike Super, Angela, and Raven will go forth
Gone tomorrow are Gerry M, and Guy B
-- Next week it will be Mike S and Angela in the show down
-- Next Mike S is crowned the winner of this game show...

B) I think that Mike Super, Angela, and Guy B will go forth
Gone tomorrow are Gerry M, and Raven
-- Next week it will be Mike S and Guy B
-- Guy B is crowned the winner of this game show...



The reason for results B is that one on one, Mike Super may not be able to compete against the talent of Guy B. if he makes it tomorrow.
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Wow, I was right with both A & B… The show through in a zinger…

I still believe it’s going to be between Mike & Guy – Guy may just win it based upon his bends tonight…
Message: Posted by: Lord Of The Horses (Nov 14, 2007 11:09PM)
I thought you were off to bed, Dave... :) ;)
Message: Posted by: Slim King (Nov 14, 2007 11:10PM)
Thanks for reminding me...and Sherri thanks you too!
OUT :)
Message: Posted by: psychic madman (Nov 14, 2007 11:11PM)
All five performers tonight are really good people. After spending 4 weeks with everyone, you see things differently in person than you do on television.
Message: Posted by: Jim-Callahan (Nov 14, 2007 11:14PM)
I'll see ya Monday Jim!

Best Wishes,

Jim
Message: Posted by: RileyG (Nov 14, 2007 11:16PM)
[quote]
On 2007-11-15 00:11, psychic madman wrote:
All five performers tonight are really good people. After spending 4 weeks with everyone, you see things differently than you do on television.
[/quote]

Jim,

Peace my Brother... I'll see you at the poker tables here in Las Vegas... BTW. I doing a Blue Brothers and getting my act back together and will be performing again in 2008... C U Later


ps--- PIX above ---
The last photo here was taken by Marc Salem
In photo is Ken Weber, Guy B, Ted K, and myself... hidden head is Docc Hilford for coffee and dessert in Greenwich Village on 11-27-2000
Message: Posted by: psychic madman (Nov 14, 2007 11:17PM)
I can't wait Jim!
Message: Posted by: psychic madman (Nov 14, 2007 11:18PM)
Definitely Riley.
Message: Posted by: gabelson (Nov 15, 2007 12:18AM)
I thought Gerry's effect was the best of the night- unfortunately, the reveal of the audience's "collective" response was similar to what Mike did a couple of weeks ago with 3:13.

Guy, in many ways, is the most reminiscent of Uri. Tonight, I believe it helped him. In the end, I'm not so sure it will. He certainly connected better with the audience tonight than he has in past weeks.

Angela looked stunning. As did Raven's feet.

At the end of the day, call it "magic", call it "mentalism", call it "I don't know what the f**k that was...but mentalists don't produce motorcycles", even call him "mentalism's answer to Dane Cook" (shudder), but Mike Super is the ONLY contestant who truly looks like he's having a good time up there. He's the only one I'm not nervous for. What few silences there are, don't seem awkward. Angel made his first intelligent comment of the series, when he commended Super on how he handled a mishap, when the effect didn't go as planned. Whether you're a serious mentalist or a light mentalist, you've got to have humor. I've seen Max Maven, Eugene Burger, Derren Brown in the midst of powerful, intimidating routines, yet still not taking themselves too seriously- wearing that invisible, knowing grin. A lightness of being. I know the other contestants have that in them, and have shown flashes of it... but only Super has demonstrated it week in, week out. Just my two cents.
Message: Posted by: Erdnase27 (Nov 15, 2007 12:33AM)
Any link to episode 4 available yet?

thanks
Message: Posted by: Arnon (Nov 15, 2007 01:30AM)
[quote]
On 2007-11-15 01:18, gabelson wrote:
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A lightness of being. I know the other contestants have that in them, and have shown flashes of it... but only Super has demonstrated it week in, week out.
***
[/quote]

You left out the word "unbearable" when it came to "lightness of being."

Tonight Mike Super demonstrated that he could imitate Copperfield in a mentalism competition. The only question is whether he'll get away with it.

Unfortunately for us, I'm afraid he will, and our audiences will be even more confused about what a mentalist is.

Arnon
Message: Posted by: Greg Arce (Nov 15, 2007 02:30AM)
As I watch this show I think of all that talked about it before it was even shot and how they were looking forward to this and wondered why the big ones in mentalism were not trying out... hmmm... as I watch I keep hearing a song from a 1990 Sci-fi called Hardware... the lyrics were mostly the following repeated: "This is what you want, this is what you get, this is what you want, this is what you get..." Seems fitting.

I love watching the snake eat its own tail. It's lovely.

Can't wait until Super (Sanjaya) or Angela (Hung) win next week. It should be lots of fun.

Greg
Message: Posted by: RickDangerous (Nov 15, 2007 04:32AM)
Gerry's act was definitaley the best of all.
It was simple and direct.

You could see how comfortable Guy was while doing the metal bending (of course, he did it for years).

Erin... a blatant Derren Brown rip off (remember the SAS guy?).

Angela's effect felt so slow... and during the photo finish I had an old David Copperfield show in mind with two little children.

Mike seemed relaxed and had fun on stage although I found the premise of hypnosis very weak. Too much magic in there.

Just MHO... but what do I know... I'm not on tv (yet).
Message: Posted by: la9 (Nov 15, 2007 05:58AM)
I think it's because they keep telling the performers they aren't connecting with the audience and aren't getting the reactions they want.

Duh

To get bigger and better rections from the audience you go for stage illusions. Besides Criss can relate better to them.

They probably saw the show wasn't getting the ratings with mentalism stuff so they needed the bigger better stuff.

Next year it will be phenomenom magician.....
Message: Posted by: interro1 (Nov 15, 2007 06:39AM)
[quote]
On 2007-11-14 23:59, Mauricio Jaramillo wrote:
[quote]
On 2007-11-14 23:56, johne wrote:
Dang I typed all that and then someone posts that great lind ;O)
[/quote]

Haha, sorry about that John, but thanks for your write-up.

What's the story with Criss not wanting to hold Angel's hand, what exactly happened?
[/quote]

Guy, in an effort to focus the audiences energy and bend the stop sign, asked the audience to hold hands.

Uri reached out to Angel and Angel didn't budge.

This sparks me to believe one thing. That envelope of Angel's is a magical envelope, capable of holding anything you put it in it, an unlimited capacity if you will.

What's in the envelope? Criss Ego

The envelope is full.

I actually had a level of respect for Angel prior to this show, but to see him live, in all his meglomaniacle (sp?) glory makes my stomach churn. It's too bad a good show like Phenomenon has to be comletely adulterated by such a thing.
Message: Posted by: Big Daddy Cool (Nov 15, 2007 06:52AM)
Anybody find anything about this show that they liked? Or is it all negative from you guys.

My assessment is that it will come down to Angela (yes I'm biased) and Super.
Message: Posted by: DMG (Nov 15, 2007 07:11AM)
I was actually impressed with the performances - but I'm also not a mentalist and I'm very new to this. I missed Angela's and I thought Raven's was weakest - but all in all I enjoyed the show.

Anyone else catch that Criss also sent a backhanded little jibe when he referred to Guy's performance as a " trick." Uri corrected him. LOL

I think Criss never read "How to win friends and ifluence people", eh?
Message: Posted by: Stuart Cumberland (Nov 15, 2007 09:23AM)
May I ask a quick question? I've not seen Derren Brown do the blindfold walk. Did he do an exact rip-off of it (with glass, razors, scorpions and a bed of nails)?

The reason I ask is because the blindfold obstacle course is at least 80-100 years old.

Thanks!
Message: Posted by: sir real (Nov 15, 2007 09:36AM)
DMG,So Uri actually corrected Criss' "trick" comment? that's great. I missed that part,someone here must have been talking.Do you happen to recall what Uri said?
Message: Posted by: gabelson (Nov 15, 2007 11:34AM)
[quote]
On 2007-11-15 02:30, arnon wrote:

Tonight Mike Super demonstrated that he could imitate Copperfield in a mentalism competition. The only question is whether he'll get away with it.

Unfortunately for us, I'm afraid he will, and our audiences will be even more confused about what a mentalist is.

Arnon
[/quote]

Arnon, the good new is, after the show is gone, no one will be confused, because no one will remember. A couple of months ago, I was concerned about exposure of our art as fallout from this show. Not anymore. As Clara Peller asked, "Where's the mentalism?"... or something to that effect. Thankfully, the show is entitled, "PHENOMENON". Americans will likely equate a "phenomenon" as someone who produces motorcycles or has blood on their leg spelling out someone's name. So when you perform a PK time, or do cold reading, or a book test, or a Q & A, people will still be just as shocked and awed as they were before this show aired. They won't be confused- they'll be grateful! And impressed- because they will not have seen anything as close to real mindreading before.
Message: Posted by: matinex (Nov 15, 2007 11:44AM)
I don't understand all the criticism here. Criss Angel is pompous, and Uri Geller doesn't add much. But why all the criticism of the performances?

Last night, Angela's performance was a little meandering, but the final reveal was amazing. Mike Super's trick was astounding. I wasn't so impressed with Eran's blind walk, but McCambridge and Guy had very entertaining performances that left me really wondering.

Maybe it's because I don't know how all the tricks are done, but I'm generally enjoying the show.

Can someone explain to me why you are all so negative about the show? I'm genuinely curious.

-David
Message: Posted by: gabelson (Nov 15, 2007 12:29PM)
Given the circumstances and restrictions of network tv, and the fact that it's LIVE, the performers are doing an admirable job. But IMHO, aside from Super, they're not connecting with the audience. And what they're doing-- aside from a couple of moments here and there- particularly by Bavli- is not mentalism- which is fine, too, I guess.
As far as negativity about the show itself? I don't think you have to be in the magical arts to know it's just not good. The pacing is terrible, the format equally as bad. It's pretty much the concensus of everyone I know OUTSIDE the magic circle, and it reflects in the ratings. People are bored. By far, the most entertaining moments on the show thus far were Jim's performance, and the ensuing confrontation. Like them or not, "American Idol" and "Dancing with the Stars" WORK, for whatever reason. Watch Derren Brown's U.K. shows. That's the benchmark of what a "mentalism show" should look like. And it may not even be the network's fault. I'm not sold on the fact that an "American Idol"-like mentalism "competition" can work.
Message: Posted by: McAllisterMagic (Nov 15, 2007 12:49PM)
[quote]
On 2007-11-15 13:29, gabelson wrote:
Given the circumstances and restrictions of network tv, and the fact that it's LIVE, the performers are doing an admirable job. But IMHO, aside from Super, they're not connecting with the audience. And what they're doing-- aside from a couple of moments here and there- particularly by Bavli- is not mentalism- which is fine, too, I guess.
As far as negativity about the show itself? I don't think you have to be in the magical arts to know it's just not good. The pacing is terrible, the format equally as bad. It's pretty much the concensus of everyone I know OUTSIDE the magic circle, and it reflects in the ratings. People are bored. By far, the most entertaining moments on the show thus far were Jim's performance, and the ensuing confrontation. Like them or not, "American Idol" and "Dancing with the Stars" WORK, for whatever reason. Watch Derren Brown's U.K. shows. That's the benchmark of what a "mentalism show" should look like. And it may not even be the network's fault. I'm not sold on the fact that an "American Idol"-like mentalism "competition" can work.
[/quote]

I couldn't have said it any better! Jim's performance was truly the only one that sustained interest throughout the show... Regardless of what has been said, I had my money on Jim...

Guess my prediction was wrong for the show..
Message: Posted by: matinex (Nov 15, 2007 01:00PM)
Good points. I think the reason I didn't get what you guys were talking about is that I use TiVo, so I've been skipping past most of the fluff only to watch the performances, which have been generally quite enjoyable. The hour-long episodes are only about 30 minutes when you just watch the performances and skip the BS.
Message: Posted by: Greg Arce (Nov 15, 2007 02:15PM)
[quote]
On 2007-11-15 10:23, Master Mystifier wrote:
May I ask a quick question? I've not seen Derren Brown do the blindfold walk. Did he do an exact rip-off of it (with glass, razors, scorpions and a bed of nails)?

The reason I ask is because the blindfold obstacle course is at least 80-100 years old.

Thanks!
[/quote]

Pretty much. Derren did it in a darkened room and walked across a bigger obstacle course. His ending was practically the same except in Derren's the person puts one bed under one of three spots and Derren falls back onto the correct spot.
You could see Raven had seen the episode and decided to rip it off. Just no creativity in the man... but then he is being watched by Criss so ripping people off is parr for the course.

Greg
Message: Posted by: Slim King (Nov 15, 2007 03:05PM)
[quote]
On 2007-11-15 10:36, sir real wrote:
DMG,So Uri actually corrected Criss' "trick" comment? that's great. I missed that part,someone here must have been talking.Do you happen to recall what Uri said?
[/quote]
I missed it too..... I must have been busy cursing CA :)
Message: Posted by: The Drake (Nov 15, 2007 03:10PM)
[quote]
On 2007-11-15 10:36, sir real wrote:
DMG,So Uri actually corrected Criss' "trick" comment? that's great. I missed that part,someone here must have been talking.Do you happen to recall what Uri said?
[/quote]

His comment followed Angels comments and he said something like. "I take exception to it being called a trick......"

Best,

Tim
Message: Posted by: Slim King (Nov 15, 2007 04:03PM)
Good for him!
Message: Posted by: Arnon (Nov 15, 2007 05:35PM)
[quote]
On 2007-11-15 12:34, gabelson wrote:
***
Thankfully, the show is entitled, "PHENOMENON". Americans will likely equate a "phenomenon" as someone who produces motorcycles or has blood on their leg spelling out someone's name. So when you perform a PK time, or do cold reading, or a book test, or a Q & A, people will still be just as shocked and awed as they were before this show aired. They won't be confused- they'll be grateful! And impressed- because they will not have seen anything as close to real mindreading before.
[/quote]

Gabe, once again, you've proven yourself to be the pithy yet incisive writer so deserving of Emmy Awards!

You've also renewed my faith in the future of mentalism as a stunning intimate form of live entertainment, despite the recent "telehistrionics*."

Thank you.

Arnon

_____________________________________________________________________
* New coined word © ArnonSincoff (2007)
Message: Posted by: Arnon (Nov 15, 2007 11:08PM)
[quote]
On 2007-11-15 08:11, DMG wrote:
***
Anyone else catch that Criss also sent a backhanded little jibe when he referred to Guy's performance as a " trick." Uri corrected him. LOL

I think Criss never read "How to win friends and ifluence people", eh?
[/quote]
[quote]
On 2007-11-15 16:10, Timothy Drake wrote:
[quote]
On 2007-11-15 10:36, sir real wrote:
DMG,So Uri actually corrected Criss' "trick" comment? that's great. I missed that part,someone here must have been talking.Do you happen to recall what Uri said?
[/quote]

His comment followed Angels comments and he said something like. "I take exception to it being called a trick......"

Best,

Tim
[/quote]

For the record, the following dialogue ensued when Criss Angel ("CA") was revealing the collaborative decision he and Uri made to "save" either Gerry McCambridge or Guy Bavli:

CA: Guy has done his best performance this evening, and it was based in a trick that Uri made very very famous…

Uri: I hate calling it a trick

CA: <laughing> I’m sorry.
Message: Posted by: RonCalhoun (Nov 15, 2007 11:24PM)
If you EVER get the chance to see Mike Super in person, don't miss him. He does one of the best shows I have ever seen.
Message: Posted by: Mind Guerrilla (Nov 19, 2007 03:31PM)
[quote]As far as negativity about the show itself? I don't think you have to be in the magical arts to know it's just not good. The pacing is terrible, the format equally as bad. It's pretty much the concensus of everyone I know OUTSIDE the magic circle, and it reflects in the ratings. People are bored. By far, the most entertaining moments on the show thus far were Jim's performance, and the ensuing confrontation. Like them or not, "American Idol" and "Dancing with the Stars" WORK, for whatever reason. Watch Derren Brown's U.K. shows. That's the benchmark of what a "mentalism show" should look like. [/quote]

I would like to think there's some happy medium i.e. a decent mentalism TV show that isn't an AMERICAN IDOL wannabe yet doesn't rely on editing to enhance effects.
Message: Posted by: Mind Guerrilla (Nov 19, 2007 03:33PM)
[quote]The reason I ask is because the blindfold obstacle course is at least 80-100 years old. [/quote]

Which makes the fact that Derren Brown invented it even more amazing!
Message: Posted by: Dr Spektor (Nov 19, 2007 04:53PM)
No way, CA invented it two weeks before DB
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Nov 20, 2007 03:25AM)
I think Dr Zodiac has done something similiar, albeit without the actual fall.
Message: Posted by: Barrett_James (Nov 30, 2007 03:46AM)
I really enjoyed the short 'cut-away' trick Mike Super performed 'on the street'. A card trick in which his written prediction was wrong but after applying a bit of heat to the paper, letters began to disappear leaving his prediction corrected. Not to upset any mentalist here but does anyone know the name of said phenomenon card tr...um, that is card display?!?

Regards,

Barrett James
Message: Posted by: Barrett_James (Dec 2, 2007 10:39PM)
Man oh man, I feel like I just killed this thread. Is it just me? Do I always post in the wrong thread or is everyone just angry about CA still?!?! Anyone?

Regards,

Barrett James