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Message: Posted by: magia355 (Nov 20, 2007 07:04PM)
Hi to all, Just wanted to get your opinions on this recent shadow box I have just completed, specially, appearance, size "eye view" and most important deceptive base/box......The box needs a few more things such as the side and back panels, and the back light. Your support is greatly appreciated.

Here is the link for the pictures..

Message: Posted by: Bryan Gilles (Nov 20, 2007 09:48PM)
Magia- Very nice work... this looks professional and I'm sure it will hold years of great performances. The only thing I could suggest is a tad bit of scenic work... Maybe som turnbuckles or graphics; however, this is only personal preference.

Good job and thanks for the pictures!

Message: Posted by: Father Photius (Nov 20, 2007 11:18PM)
Not bad at all. Looks well constructed, should hold up for quite a while. Table looks great as well.
Message: Posted by: Bairefoot (Nov 21, 2007 12:43AM)
Looks great!

Message: Posted by: magia355 (Nov 21, 2007 10:01AM)
Thanks for your response.... My biggest concern is the deceptive part of the illusion... I've been doing magic for so long...that sometimes is hard to view an illusion in the eyes of the audience....and determine what is deceptive and what is not....
Message: Posted by: Dave Gerin (Nov 26, 2007 08:18PM)
Looking at it from a audience point of view it may be more believable if the side panels were removable instead of folding down. This is just my personal thoughts that I would do if it was mine
Message: Posted by: Stanyon (Nov 26, 2007 11:00PM)
I was going to make an observation to the negative, but then I saw your other post referring to this as a surrounded "Shadow Box".

Looks good!

Cheers! ;)
Message: Posted by: magia355 (Nov 27, 2007 09:37AM)
Dave, great observation but by having the folded down version increases the load, which would be impossible to hide if the doors were removable. Thanks for your post....
Message: Posted by: Dave Gerin (Nov 27, 2007 10:26PM)
Oh ok, I just took another look at it and I see what your saying.
Message: Posted by: magia355 (Nov 28, 2007 06:44AM)
One thing I would of liked is to have the doors open automatically....i.e. some type of remote controlled....I also need the light to turn on and off by control....any thoughts?
Message: Posted by: magicjohn2278 (Nov 28, 2007 07:05AM)
Presumably your assistant can turn the lights on and off... and maybe even operate the doors?
Message: Posted by: magia355 (Nov 28, 2007 12:21PM)
That is an option but I would perfer to have full control...
Message: Posted by: gsidhe (Nov 29, 2007 10:27AM)
The light control is the easy part-
Sorry about the obnoxious infomercial host.
Doors opening automatically- Personally, I think it is a bad idea. It might make it seem too mechanical. Fall open, maybe.
Just m'thoughts
Message: Posted by: magia355 (Nov 29, 2007 12:13PM)
Gwyd, thanks for that link. This is just perfect.....I will definitely purchase this item....
Message: Posted by: Chris Stolz (Dec 1, 2007 09:46AM)
What did you use for the texture on the box frame? Did you paint this or was it something store bought?
Message: Posted by: magia355 (Dec 1, 2007 05:04PM)
Chris, for the frame I used laminate which covered the birch plywood frame. You can special order different colors with different variations of designs from Home Depot. Hope this helps.
Message: Posted by: mvmagic (Dec 2, 2007 09:19AM)
That's a well-built box! I have a suggestion however...Now the box continues all the way down to the table though it does look to be on small legs. To separate it more from the table, add some blocks (aluminum maybe) on the corners to separate it from the table visually.

As for the automatic doors, you could use a few small winches on top of the cabinet, but then again that just adds to the cost and there's more stuff to worry about. There is some purely mechanical options for a slow gracefull opening, but they're not obviously remote operated.
Message: Posted by: magia355 (Dec 2, 2007 10:16AM)
Thanks for your recommendations mvmagic. I will put them to the test and see the results.... Now for the mechanical door opener, I'm not familiar (not mechanically inclined) on how it would work or how to make it work. Any suggestions? Thanks again.
Message: Posted by: mvmagic (Dec 2, 2007 10:47AM)
You could use strong spring hinges. With the proper strength, they will dampen the door opening (of course its just gravity at work but a door slowly opening does look magical and automatic) and wont close it (as that's what they generally are meant to do).

Of course this works for the opening. In addition to the winches I mentioned, you could have a sort of a lever system which works with linear actuators and that would open and close the doors but that could be cost prohibitive.
Message: Posted by: magia355 (Dec 2, 2007 01:58PM)
The hinges sound like a plan....I will do some search and find out were can I buy such hinges. Thanks again for your help and comments.
Message: Posted by: EsnRedshirt (Dec 2, 2007 10:32PM)
Once you get a spring hinge set up, you could look into RC servo motors (like those used with remote control cars) to control a latch, which should be a simple rod attached between the latch and the motor. Your local hobby store would have the motors; just set them to the same channel and they'll all open the doors with a flip of a switch. Of course, since toying with an RC controller is rather obvious, that would probably mean someone off-stage would be controlling it, in which case you'd be best with the assistant controlling it in the first place, but that's beside the point.
Message: Posted by: mvmagic (Dec 3, 2007 12:51AM)
Now that's a good idea, cost-effective too as one can find sets like that kinda cheap. Also, it gives you the chance to have manual control of the doors.
Message: Posted by: magia355 (Dec 3, 2007 01:12PM)
Yea, that sounds like a plan...I guess I need to figure out a plan on how to put the hinges/servos to work.....Again thanks for your ideas.
Message: Posted by: mvmagic (Dec 4, 2007 12:57AM)
Look for a latch that is released by pulling. Put some small blocks between the frame of the box and the doors so the doors are not completely vertical but taper upwards a bit. This way, when the latch is released, gravity works it magic and the doors open, much like a blammo but with the spring hinges slowing it down.

You should easily find some basic servo sets that can pull the latch open.

Also, you can make a pull-release latch yourself.

One option for release is a couple of small electro magnets. Good thing is there is no moving parts.
Message: Posted by: yeahidomagic (Dec 27, 2007 11:54PM)
Very nice job! looks amazing!
Message: Posted by: mvmagic (Feb 27, 2008 04:07AM)
Magia355, hows the shadow box doing? Done any additional work on it yet?
Message: Posted by: magia355 (Feb 28, 2008 08:22PM)
Unfortunately, I've been so busy preparing a dvd demo, and putting together a stage/manipulation act......I'm planning to resume the project after I get back from overseas sometime in May. Thanks again for all your support.

Message: Posted by: magia355 (Nov 18, 2008 07:09PM)
Well, finally I put my shadow box on my show...and it works great. Thanks for everyones input and support. Finally, I decided to connect a battery operated light which works with a small remote control. This provides me greater control of the light and I don't have to worry about cords etc....The doors are opened manually, but hopefully when time permits...I'm still looking into remotely make the doors open and close slowly. Here in my webpage I have addded my picture with the final product, hope you all like it...


Thanks again.