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Topic: Sankey coin magic 2
Message: Posted by: Joshua Barrett (Dec 6, 2007 08:50AM)
Any you guys check out the demo. sankey has put out a lot of junk in the past couple years but this looked kinda cool to me, not out of this world, but cool none the less
Message: Posted by: Chad Barnard (Dec 6, 2007 09:05AM)
I've got the DVD, but have to wait until Christmas to open.
Message: Posted by: Jaz (Dec 6, 2007 09:10AM)
I'll patiently look forward to your review Chad.
Message: Posted by: pepka (Dec 7, 2007 12:11AM)
Same here. I really have to agree with Josh. Most of Jay's work over the last few years seems to focus more on quantity rather than quality. His early work though is really stellar, and I keep holding out that he'll soon return to his former glory.
Message: Posted by: Sk8erBoi9305 (Dec 7, 2007 07:17PM)
He's weird
Message: Posted by: Chad Barnard (Dec 7, 2007 07:40PM)
I will say that one shouldn't worry about being one of the first 500 buyers, just so you can get the "special" coin. It's something that's easily made.

I'll post a link to my review after I watch it on Christmas morning/afternoon.
Message: Posted by: pepka (Dec 9, 2007 12:31AM)
C'mon Chad, afternoon? You know you'll be watching it right at midnight. Right in between showings of the "You'll shoot your eye out" movie.
Message: Posted by: THEGUY26 (Will Swanson) (Dec 9, 2007 12:39AM)
I'm so sick of that movie! It plays on some channel for 24 hours!
Message: Posted by: Chad Barnard (Dec 9, 2007 01:02AM)
You got me Pepka. Hey I enjoyed the latest Magic Lantern podcast, I just listened to it tonight.

If I'm good enough, maybe I'll get to see it earlier. We'll see.
Message: Posted by: MickeyPainless (Dec 9, 2007 02:36AM)
I honestly don't think I've ever seen any Sankey stuff nor can I say I even know who he is or what he's done! Am I missing much?
Message: Posted by: Gary Yin (Dec 9, 2007 02:55AM)
Once you have gotten over the begginner stage, Sankey's coin materials is a good investment. Must know the moves and names because he won't stop to explain what's the sleight and how to do.

Sankey has the most DVDs he produced in the magic industry. I think you should check it out Mickey.

http://www.sankeymagic.com
Message: Posted by: pepka (Dec 9, 2007 06:03AM)
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On 2007-12-09 01:39, THEGUY26 (Will Swanson) wrote:
I'm so sick of that movie! It plays on some channel for 24 hours!
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BEST CHRISTMAS MOVIE EVER! It teaches us the TRUE meaning of Christmas. If you don't think you're going to get what you want, just throw a hissy fit. It worked for me. Two years ago, I opened up a box marked FRAGILE, and inside was....you got it, my very own leg lamp!
Message: Posted by: Jaz (Dec 9, 2007 10:01AM)
Mick,
I haven't seen Jay Sankey's first coin magic DVD but have seen some of his coin work on other videos I have of his.

Sankey has some very nice real world magic effects.
Many will fit well in impromptu and strolling situations.
Message: Posted by: Chad Barnard (Dec 9, 2007 11:00AM)
IMO, Sankey's Revolutionary Coin Magic is essential for any intermediate coin magician. Just like Roth's tapes are considered an essential starting point, Sankey's is essential once you have some moves under your belt.

Like Jaz said, for the strolling/restaurant magician, this DVD is absolutely essential. That's what a lot of it is geared to. Quick, high-impact effects that leave people stratching their heads.

Jay's work is off the beaten path. While a lot of today's DVD's are the magician's handlings of classic routines, Jay's is truly new and original ideas hitting you for the first time.

Since the VHS tape has been around since 2000 and a lot of the effects have appeared scattered in print much earlier, you're going to see some ideas that have become standard in modern coin magician's repetoires.

Unfortunately, Jay does suffer from the age-old "reinvention" syndrome that seems to plaque a lot of magicians from time to time. (i.e. Slick Splits & Pancake Toss) But other than that, this is some mind-blowing coin work that will get you thinking.

When I say "mind-blowing" I'm not talking about from a technical sense. While there are a ton of routines on this DVD, the main selling point is all of the utility moves. This thing is over-flowing with moves that you'll incorporate into your routines.

Look at the list of moves you get under one DVD:

Blackstack Production, Han Ping Chien, Rollover, Royal Rivet, Chien Ping Han, L'Homme Masque Load, Warm-Up Productions, Lift-Off Production, Roll-Over Switch, Cartesian Coins, The Flying Shuttle Pass, The Ramsay Subtlety, Slick Splits, Kaps Subtlety, Finger Palm Shimmy, Thin-Air Production, Plastic Surgery, K.I.S.S. Transpo, Wipe Principle, H.P.C-C.P.H., The Gallo Pitch, B.P. Ditch, Television Bend, Nest Egg, Hot Cross, Tenkai Pinch, Pinch Production & Vanish, Masked Pinch, Water Wheel Production, Invisible Coins, Silver Lining, Himber Vanish, Himber-Sankey Count, The Friction Palm, No Jacket Required, Capricorn Change, Pancake Toss, Sixth Cents, Newton Drop, Mass Consumption, Messiah Vanish, Two-Fisted Vanish, Mexican Jumping Coins, Strike Too!, Cuff to Cuff, Push-Button, Mr. Universe Coins Across, One by One, Under Wraps, Mr. Clean Coins Across, Penny Ante, Ups & Downs

Bonus Material on DVD (2003)
Transit Switch, Underground Railroad, Two-Fisted Split, Camoflage, Bulletproof, Deja Vue, Delayed Reaction, Crocodile Tear, Trapeze Transpo

Compare that to other DVD offerings and you'll see what I mean. I don't know if this second one is going to be good, but the first one is essential.

Mickey, I really think, from talking to you, that this will blow you away. Don't let the first effect (Blackstack Production) be an indicator though. It is considered one of the weak points of the DVD.
Message: Posted by: MickeyPainless (Dec 9, 2007 11:29AM)
Thanks guys!
I'd say my coin work level is in the intermediate range now so I'm gonna order Rev. Coin Magic! Looks like a lot of bang for the buck Chad, thanks man!
Mick
Message: Posted by: feher (Dec 9, 2007 11:47AM)
I hate this time of year because I get my magic gifts early the wife won't let me play until X-mass...rrrrrrr
Tim
Message: Posted by: Mb217 (Dec 9, 2007 12:52PM)
Yeah Mick, it's a great dvd for sure. Sankey is not your average guy by any means, but he's a smart one, very clever and creative. To me, he does the kind of magic you'll like. It's real world stuff, stuff you can walk up to people and just do. It works just as good at party or in the office or even in the parlor. It's very doable stuff and a lot of it is amazing and done from stuff you know about already. I have his Revolutionary Coin Magic 1, but the new dvd #2 seems a bit more of the same stuff from the first one, at least from the demo. I guess I've seen Sankey so much that everything from him looks sorta the same, though it's always very good. :)

His coin stuff amazes and is not highbrow or classically presented as in any way up and above people...Just good stuff and a lot of it. You'll never hear the bigshots speak of Sankey, though most cases he's been where they've been and sells as much and more magic than they do, but he's sorta an outsider from their established way of looking at magic in many cases. And clearly Sankey could give a rat's ass at being looked at by them as in anyway less-than. :D But don't let all that stuff get in the way of recognizing some really good magic because it is exactly that and then some. ;) Not only that but Jay does all sorts of magic, with all sorts of things. In his close-up effects, I've had his Leaving Home and Killer Key for years. Both very nice effects, easy to do and they break up all the coin stuff nicely. Jay's personality is all over the place and so is his magic. -Add to cart. ;) -Mb
Message: Posted by: Chad Barnard (Dec 9, 2007 01:01PM)
I always wondered about that Marion. Has there ever been anything ever said by the "bigshots"? It does seem that he is thought of as an outsider. I know the original deal with Penguin soured some people on him, but it has always puzzled me that you don't hear his name bandied about more.
Message: Posted by: MickeyPainless (Dec 9, 2007 02:45PM)
Well personally hearing kudos from Chad, Marion, Tim, Jaz, Rannie, Vinny et al inspires me more than any of the big shots! I prefer outta the main stream and if a guy is not well known or especially looked down upon by the "guru's" my bad boy blood gets to pumpin and I'll seek em out! LOL
Message: Posted by: rutabaga (Dec 9, 2007 08:02PM)
I had the opportunity to see a couple of things from this new DVD at a lecture last year... if the rest of the content is up to the same standard, we're in for a treat. Good thinking.
Message: Posted by: Michael Rubinstein (Dec 9, 2007 08:09PM)
Marion, who are the bigshots you are talking about?
Message: Posted by: obuch (Dec 10, 2007 09:11AM)
I love sankey work especialy coins so I'll order it soon after wathing 1 dvd I had much fun practicing moves
Message: Posted by: Joshua Barrett (Dec 10, 2007 12:38PM)
While I am nto very interested in the first one, the more I watch the demo the more interetsing this one is. I hope I can pick it up soon
Message: Posted by: magicblademan (Dec 10, 2007 01:09PM)
I think sankey is great, seen him quite a few times and he defo is an all rounder where magic is concerned...

Mick the guy has a wacky sense of humour some people don't like it ...but I love it...trust me you will not regret Rev coin magic dvd.

Blade.
Message: Posted by: MickeyPainless (Dec 10, 2007 02:26PM)
I surfed around and watched some of Jay's demos and he IS a tad wacky but I think it adds too it as well Blade!
My wife asked me for a Christmas list to work from so I'll add this and even though I'll know it's coming she WILL NOT give it up before it's due! LOL Might upset Mom when I'm glued to my laptop watching during the Christmas feast! :)
Mick
Message: Posted by: Mb217 (Dec 10, 2007 04:22PM)
Haven't seen the new dvd yet Mick, but the first one is a real winner. I'd get that one first, loads of great stuff in there and everybody will tell'ya it's a very good dvd. :)
Message: Posted by: Joshua Barrett (Dec 10, 2007 04:31PM)
Someone be coin clause and send it to me for x-mas =D
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Dec 16, 2007 09:45AM)
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On 2007-12-10 15:26, MickeyPainless wrote:
I surfed around and watched some of Jay's demos and he IS a tad wacky but I think it adds too it as well Blade!
My wife asked me for a Christmas list to work from so I'll add this and even though I'll know it's coming she WILL NOT give it up before it's due! LOL Might upset Mom when I'm glued to my laptop watching during the Christmas feast! :)
Mick
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Jays attitude seems to be "The weirder the better" and I personally like that. The man is a true non-conformist; a maverick, and that suits my taste to a "t" because if you can filter out the bad stuff, he has some KILLER magic to offer!! Check out L&L publishing for his three DVd set. It's a good place to start.
Message: Posted by: Chad Barnard (Dec 25, 2007 01:04PM)
The one-man jury's in:

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=238904&forum=111#0

Let me know what you guys think.
Message: Posted by: Mb217 (Dec 25, 2007 01:45PM)
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On 2007-12-09 13:52, Mb217 wrote:
...I have his Revolutionary Coin Magic 1, but the new dvd #2 seems a bit more of the same stuff from the first one, at least from the demo... -Mb
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On 2007-12-10 17:22, Mb217 wrote:
Haven't seen the new dvd yet Mick, but the first one is a real winner. I'd get that one first, loads of great stuff in there...
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Hate to say I toldya so fellas, but...

The demo just looked too much like the same stuff to me. Thought that Sankey's presentation maybe made it look all the same but because it's him I gave it the benefit of the doubt. Got a chance to see a bit of it over the weekend at a friends house that ordered it. Hate to say that my first impression was about right. Still, Sankey is a wonderful magician and performer and his original Revolutionary Coin Magic #1 is truly a classic, one seemingly even his prolifically creative mind couldn't duplicate.

Mick, hope you took my initial advice on getting the 1st one...Really, that's all you need from the Sankey bag of tricks. ;)
Message: Posted by: magicblademan (Dec 25, 2007 02:00PM)
Yeah you can't go wrong with the 1st one Mick that is excellent..

All the best

Blade..
Message: Posted by: Gary Yin (Dec 26, 2007 12:48AM)
Chad, theres no talking in the DVD?
Message: Posted by: MickeyPainless (Dec 26, 2007 01:27AM)
Glad I waited!
Actually I was waiting for the holiday to pass since I had hinted to a few "magic" gifts and when I didn't get any DVD's I knew Rev Coin 1 would be on my next Hocus Pocus order!
Good review Chad (I expected nuttin less) and thanks all for the tips, opinions and suggestions!
Hope everyone had a wonderful holiday!
Mick
Message: Posted by: Chad Barnard (Dec 26, 2007 08:05AM)
Gary,

The explanation portion has talking, but the performances just have backing music.
Message: Posted by: Chad Barnard (Jan 2, 2008 09:31PM)
Guys just to let you know, I've got the detailed review up. I only have one section left to post.
Message: Posted by: Gary Yin (Jan 3, 2008 12:23AM)
Just a question. The Steeplechase change. Is it similar towards the Steeplechase Change by Harbottle?
Message: Posted by: Chad Barnard (Jan 3, 2008 03:33PM)
I don't know Harbottle's change.