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Topic: Cheap rope is Back at WalMart
Message: Posted by: Bob Sanders (Dec 16, 2007 09:48AM)
This week I found that the cheap rope is back at WalMart in the housewares/hardware sections.

It is 100' hanks for $1.00. The rope is #6 cotton rope (also called 21 pound rope).

The product number is 076356241952.

It doesn't look like they get but about 2-3 dozen hanks per store.

Bob Sanders
Magic By Sander
Message: Posted by: MickeyPainless (Dec 16, 2007 11:16AM)
Thanks for the tip Bob! Now I just need to work up the courage to make a run down there during Christmas season!
Message: Posted by: magicians (Dec 17, 2007 11:35AM)
Hey bob, I know that cotton rope is the Holy Grail, but cheap rope at Walmart??
I have never seen any rope at walmart that has the feel of good cotton magicians rope.

Cheap rope to me is like saying you can get magic silks at walmart. That would make you bristle a bit.

I have been trying to track down the manufacturer of Euro rope. I called Camarand and he doesn't want any more distributors other than Murphy and Show-biz.
Once the Euro rope becomes less pricey, I believe that more magicians will stop seeking walmart ka-ka.

The India rope smells like formaldehyde, and foam core rope is a toy. There is just nothing like Georgia made in the USA cotton rope, but alas, they stopped making that.
Message: Posted by: joseph (Dec 18, 2007 05:48AM)
I'm spoiled on the nice, soft thicker rope, even for practicing.. :) ..
Message: Posted by: Payne (Dec 18, 2007 10:07AM)
I for one refuse to support Wal-Mart by purchasing inferior magicians rope made by poorly paid child laborers in China.

I much prefer my traditional Magicians rope made by poorly paid child laborers in India.
Message: Posted by: Josh Riel (Dec 18, 2007 02:13PM)
I buy my magicians rope at Lowes.

I think it's made in China. I'm sure those guys are getting rich.

By the way... Payne, that was beautiful, in a sad commentary sort of way.

I don't use silk, but my silk-replacement stuff is from Fred Meyer. I think that's from India.
Message: Posted by: joseph (Dec 18, 2007 02:33PM)
Yes, that is where the Indian Rope Mystery rope came from.. :) ..
Message: Posted by: magicians (Dec 18, 2007 03:42PM)
I was teasing Bob, cause he imports and sells fine quality magicians silks. I thought if I said I'd get silks at walmart, he'd buzz back at me. He hasn't read it yet.
Message: Posted by: MickeyPainless (Dec 18, 2007 08:16PM)
Being a cowboy and magician I know Bob is hip to good silk.... Anyone who has done a winter round up or spent any time at all on a horse in cold weather has a nice collection of "Wild Rags"! Most are a 36X36 silk used as a scarf and come in a wide variety of "Wild" colors and patterns! I have at least a doz.!
Message: Posted by: magicians (Dec 19, 2007 09:49AM)
No, no, Bob is a magicians silk importer. Haven't you ever read his email silkmagic@dovelite.com , he does a lecture and brings an entire line of silks to sell.
Message: Posted by: robwar0100 (Dec 21, 2007 09:50PM)
I like cheap rope for my Cut-and-Restored Rope. I start out about 15 feet and use it show after show after show until it is down to about 5 feet and my wife yells at me that it is time to get a new piece of rope. I like cheap for a buck.

Message: Posted by: magicians (Dec 22, 2007 03:51AM)
There is no one cheaper than I am, but, when it comes to magicians rope. You must make a choice. Any slob can cut a clothes line and restore it. The finesse moves that are possible with quality magicians rope are what separate the amateur from the artist. If you can't slide the knot, or bend the rope in absolute half then the rope you use will make the difference.

You need soft, cotton rope over cotton casing or cored rope. It must be unbleached or colored white, but the key is how stiff the rope is. Nothing you can buy at Walmart will work well.

I will be getting Euro or Elite rope and using that from now on, and I sell the old style magicians rope online at http://www.rope.ws, but have outgrown it.

Magicians from all over the world have the option to buy $1 rope at a hardware store, but I guarantee that those are the magicians that only do a 2 minute routine once in a while and are not rope artists. I mean, you can reach under your sink and get a sponge and do sponge magic, you can use plastic picnic cups and do cups and balls. In my eyes you will be (to quote Letterman), the "kmart magician".
Message: Posted by: joseph (Dec 22, 2007 06:51AM)
Nothing wrong with that.. :) ..
Message: Posted by: Al Angello (Dec 22, 2007 07:46AM)
I do three different C&R routines and clothes line will not work for two of them. I also feel more comfortable with 1/4" rope, and not that 7/32" stuff they pass of for magicians rope at magic shops these days. I was lucky enough to get a 1,600' spool of 1/4" cotton core rope last year and I don't know what I will do when it is gone.
Message: Posted by: Andre Hagen (Dec 22, 2007 10:58AM)
If like me, you enjoy doing Whit Haydn's Mongolian Pop-Knot, you will go through a great deal of rope.

Cutting Elite rope for that routine would feel like cutting one of my blood vessels.

I'll stick with cheap rope for that effect.

Message: Posted by: magicians (Dec 22, 2007 12:04PM)
So, your saying save the elite rope for the non cutting routines, and use the old fashioned cotton for cuts. Sounds good to me.
Message: Posted by: Andre Hagen (Dec 22, 2007 08:14PM)
On 2007-12-22 13:04, magicians wrote:
So, your saying save the elite rope for the non cutting routines, and use the ol fashioned cotton for cuts. Sounds good to me.

Yes, exactly! I guess I'm just plain cheap.

For instance, I have many decks of old cards no longer useable for performance (bent, covered with names and initials from signed card routines and/or just plain dirty). The only way I can force myself to get rid of them is to practice the mercury fold or fold them into "frogs" to practice The Frog Prince by Michael Close.

Message: Posted by: Al Angello (Dec 22, 2007 08:56PM)
If I did that there would not be room for me in my office. I send old tricks to magic auctions, and to the trash can all the time. Because of my constant recycling and clean up, there is a narrow path from the door of my office to my chair.
Message: Posted by: Regan (Dec 23, 2007 07:52AM)
Personally, I would never use the Walmart rope in a live performance, but I do use it to practice cuts when I am learning something new.

Bob, thanks for the notification!

Message: Posted by: Bob Sanders (Dec 23, 2007 09:53PM)

This rope comes from China too. Home to the newer more successful WalMarts! So far China has invested $20 Billion more in the USA than it has taken out in 2007. Meet your new banker, stockholder, mortgage holder and employer! Americans don't save so they also can't invest. Someone else does it.

Real cowboys do use real silk. (The best piggin' string I ever had was silk. See MickeyPainless for a translation. After all, in the ropin' box the piggin' string is in your mouth. It's used too! The sooner you catch and throw your calf, the sooner you can spit it out. It's about as sanitary as eating at salad bar.)

Cowboys eat a ton of Chinese food too. On ranches they do many of the jobs that aren't from horseback.

For years I did use Georgia made rope for magic. My supplier disappeared. I do still use the scissors from poultry plants to cut the rope! They are very good for the purpose.

Under stage lights, white cotton looks bigger than the substitutes the same size. Tape it and compare!

Bob Sanders
Magic By Sander

PS --- Saturday I went back for a Christmas meal at the old home place. I passed miles of open deserted cotton land going to waste. The people who used to work it work in the foreign owned car plants in Alabama now. The market for cotton is overseas. Foreign shipping controls the shipping. Cotton here is an import item.
Message: Posted by: magicians (Dec 23, 2007 10:10PM)
I do so hate that the Georgia cotton fields are empty. Wellington rope in Georgia was my supplier of cotton rope and they (as you said) just sold out and no longer make the cotton. That, of course affected my surplus guy in Georgia as well who can't even get scrap cotton rope for me.
That Georgia field will probably wind up a WalMart superstore selling cotton rope from China. Oh well.
Message: Posted by: robwar0100 (Dec 26, 2007 11:03PM)
I went looking for that cheap rope in Wooster, Ohio, but came up short. Ian might be happy to know I passed up on the "really cheap rope". I have my standards, sub as they might be, they are, at least, standards.

Message: Posted by: Al Angello (Dec 27, 2007 10:27PM)
Ian is out of rope, so I will give everyone my source of 1/4" cotton core American rope. It is my friend in Conneticut Neal Prete at ntprete@sbcglobal.net I got an email from him tonight and he told me that he has roughly 4,000 feet of it in his garage, and remember that I make nothing on any transaction you arrange with Neal.
Message: Posted by: magicians (Dec 28, 2007 08:18AM)
Is that Tom Prete's son?
Message: Posted by: Al Angello (Dec 28, 2007 08:55AM)
You got me there Ian. Neal is in his 40's. He also has a wide selection of colored rope too, and the only reason why I listed his email address is because you were out of the good stuff, but I would guess from reading your previous posts that he might not be able to get any more.
Message: Posted by: manal (Jan 1, 2008 12:39AM)
On 2007-12-18 15:13, Josh Riel wrote:
I buy my magicians rope at Lowes.

I think it's made in China. [/quote]

It is difficult these days to buy anything in the U.S. that isn't made in China!
Message: Posted by: Cabrera (Jan 8, 2008 08:18PM)
Careful! Better check the rope for lead.
Message: Posted by: Josh Riel (Jan 9, 2008 10:00AM)
I always taste it first, just to make sure there is no lead. I'm really worried about that lead exposure.
Message: Posted by: Al Angello (Jan 10, 2008 10:42AM)
I checked with my friend Neal Prete and he told me that he not only has 4,000 feet of rope, but his source has plenty, so if you want the good old fashion magic shop 1/4" rope, and you are sick of that 7/32" ka ka rope that magic shops today sell send Neal and email to find out his price. ntprete@sbcglobal.net and I believe his rope is low lead too Josh.

PS- I make no money on any rope you buy from Neal.
Message: Posted by: japanmagic (Jan 10, 2008 07:27PM)
Daryl mentions in his lectures that one of the best ropes come from Japan.
There are various thickness of super soft white ropes:
Message: Posted by: Habu (Jan 10, 2008 10:20PM)
This has been an interesting thread to read. I bought some magicians rope through a supplier a while back, 1/4" natural white cotton with "string" core for easy decoring. It works really well as far as I can tell. IT is on a spool like the pictures at the Magicians site above http://www.rope.ws although I can't remember exactly where I ordered it from.

Anyway, my question is pertaining to what Bob Sanders said, " I do still use the scissors from poultry plants to cut the rope!" How much of a difference is there in the scissors you choose? Are good fabric shears from a sewing store good or do you recommend something like the scissors EMTs use?

Posted: Jan 18, 2008 3:32pm
I have my scissors now. A lady at a material store told me to always look for "bent" scissors, meaning they two blades bend across each other and make a better cut than scissors with straight blades or blads that are flexible.
Message: Posted by: toomuchmagic (Jan 24, 2008 08:36AM)
I love that some of you think that soft rope is called "magicians rope"...and can only be bought at a marked up price from a magic shop.

Message: Posted by: Al Angello (Jan 24, 2008 08:57AM)
Where do you buy your cotton core rope?
Message: Posted by: toomuchmagic (Jan 25, 2008 10:39AM)
Home depot, lowes, fabric store.
Message: Posted by: Al Angello (Jan 25, 2008 05:14PM)
That rope is probably not white, most likely does not have a cotton core and it definitely is too stiff to use on stage. But it is cheap. If you do a lot of different rope tricks you absolutely need versatile rope, and 7/32" plastic core clothes line would make me look like an amateur.
Message: Posted by: magicians (Jan 26, 2008 06:35AM)
You can do some basic magic with a clothes line, sash cord, or rope from a hardware store. But, you would be hard pressed to do some of the beautiful rope effects out there.
I recently bought a set of quadropelets (as research), it uses a white foam core rope and is entirely too stiff to do that effect correctly. There is a fold that must be made to a rope in your pocket, when that rope comes out, the accordian pleated folds leave the rope bent until you stroke it a few times, a definite "tell".
Just cause it looks like rope and its cheap, it doesn't mean you should use it for magic.
Once you do your magic with the best magic rope there is, you will never go back to Walmart. Magic rope should be unstarched, soft 100% cotton rope. Some of the synthetics will work. The reason you go to a magic shop and buy overpriced rope, is that the magic shop is providing you with a scarce commodity, and not a substitute.
I used 1/4" soft cotton US made rope for over 30 years, and I have the last of it on a large spool. I am now using Euro rope, and it is expensive even for a dealer to stock. But, the results I can get with that, more than pay for the difference.
Message: Posted by: toomuchmagic (Jan 27, 2008 04:56PM)
I don't have clothesline....i do not know its content...may not be cotton, but it is soft, pliable, and does the trick. (No pun intended.)

Cheaper and as nice if not nicer than rope I have seen in magic stores I have been to.

Aside from that...There are several rope "vendors" on the internet.
Message: Posted by: Al Angello (Jan 27, 2008 05:30PM)
I carry 12 rope tricks in my bag. For those 12 tricks I use 4 different kinds of rope. Several of those tricks require the cotton core removed to be done properly.

I can not afford to be guessing about the content of some hardware store discount rope in order to save a few pennies, and wind up looking foolish. Just how many rope tricks do you do?
Message: Posted by: Habu (Jan 27, 2008 10:27PM)
I have realized that I need to upgrade on rope. I have "magicians" rope I got from a magic store, which I decored and it works pretty well for most tricks out of Tarbell, but the silky bright white rope used by Tabary on his DVD looks much more presentable and seems to "flow" much better than the natural white ropes I am using for practice. I am not sure of the type of thread his ropes are made of, but they are obviously cored by the way they lay in his hands.
Message: Posted by: magicians (Jan 28, 2008 04:44AM)
On 2008-01-27 23:27, Habu wrote:
I have realized that I need to upgrade on rope. I have "magicians" rope I got from a magic store, which I decored and it works pretty well for most tricks out of Tarbell, but the silky bright white rope used by Tabary on his DVD looks much more presentable and seems to "flow" much better than the natural white ropes I am using for practice. I am not sure of the type of thread his ropes are made of, but they are obviously cored by the way they lay in his hands.
Those Tabary ropes are Euro-rope called other things by other dealers. Camarand magic in Canada seems to have the market in the states. They are distributed thru Murphy magic, show-biz services and a few others. Retailers are Hank lee, & Empire magic, but any dealer can get it thru the distributors. I will carry it soon.
The advantage is the volume of the rope looks large but since it is cored (hollow) it is extremely pliable. Having used most types of rope in 35 years of performing, I find it the most versatile and visible.
If cutting the rope and destroying the rope is part of the act, the cotton rope over cotton casing is the most economical and professional looking. see pics at http://www.rope.ws
Message: Posted by: Al Angello (Jan 28, 2008 07:03AM)
I buy my quality thick, pure white rope from Daryl because his rope is round, but when Ian starts to carry quality rope I will buy it from him, because Ian is down here in the trenches with us real rope wranglers.
Message: Posted by: Kex (Feb 7, 2008 10:04PM)
I must admit that I did find good rope at walmart. Cotton rope with a cotton core. Unbleached but near white and as soft and supple as any rope I've bought from a magic store. My only complaint with it is that they didn't have the 1/2 inch rope that I wanted. It works just fine for me and with the venue I am currently in. The thick rope isn't necessary.
Message: Posted by: Darkwing (Feb 8, 2008 07:50PM)
I haven't had any luck.
Message: Posted by: Bob Sanders (Mar 12, 2008 06:48PM)
I noticed that Big Lots has the cheap cotton clothesline from Pakistan again. (100' $2.50!) Look in the tool department.

Bob Sanders
Magic By Sander
Message: Posted by: magicians (Mar 12, 2008 07:30PM)
I just got in some cotton hollow core rope from Loftus magic. It's not a tight weave like the older cotton rope (or clothesline), its very similar to Euro-rope or Elite rope.
I got in red white and blue 300' balls and its pricey, but very soft and workable. The suggested retail price is $.20 a foot, but that goes to as low as .10 a foot when I buy in quantity. So, I am hopeful. I put a picture of it on my site http://www.rope.ws
The downside is that the ends fray after handling them a while, so cut and restored routines are good, but if you do some of the re-useable routines, you will have to glue or treat the ends of the rope.
For those of you who have gotten my Professor Ian's Nightmare...
That trick works well with red white and blue ropes. Quite an unusual impact. Free sample rwb rope set to friends who have downloaded that effect. Just e-mail me.
Message: Posted by: fredmoore (Mar 21, 2008 02:59PM)
I too am cheap when it comes to expendables like rope, but I still use
the "good" stuff from Hocus-Pocus (currently $45 for 300 ft.) when it
comes to my cut-n-restored routine.

But what I am doing is SAVING the rope after the routine. I end up with 2
pieces about 3 feet each and then make them into a Prof. Nitemare to sell
or include in a Magic Kit or DVD.

I've already deducted the cost of the rope from my taxes and now I'm actually
able to make money off of it too!