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Topic: Yet another ripoff
Message: Posted by: Sam Pearce (Dec 25, 2007 10:10PM)
I found yet another terrible ripoff illusion on youtube, this time of Audience Dismember. ...What a way to ruin a trick. They didn't just build it bad, their "performance" is just sad. I just don't get it anymore...

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=5ynAbBOZQSI&feature=related

Sam
Message: Posted by: Bairefoot (Dec 25, 2007 10:21PM)
Sucked!
Message: Posted by: RVH Magic (Dec 25, 2007 10:36PM)
Their rip off version of 'audience dismember' is also a joke!
copy's like this hurt our art...
Message: Posted by: LeeAlex2002 (Dec 26, 2007 05:26AM)
This looks like it was filmed at a convention.

I was present at a European convention earlier this year. Losander was also booked to lecture and perform.
The dealers' hall was split into two rooms with a total of about twenty dealers from Europe.
From these dealers THREE were selling knock off Losander Floating tables. One was selling knock off Spider Backdrops, and another selling (rather large!) Snow Animators.

Losander most probably turned a blind eye to the tables.

There were two gentlemen going around the dealers taking detailed photos of apparatus WITH PERMISSION of the dealer trading!

This is surely up to the organisers of the convention to not allow dealers to display such products, or to confiscate pirate goods on sale, or not to invite the dealers (or allow them to open a stand) in the first place.
Message: Posted by: Amazing Magic Co (Dec 26, 2007 06:33AM)
This video should be titled "When Good Magic Goes Bad!" What an awful prop and presentation. The only magic I saw was that no one was snoring.

Dan.
Message: Posted by: WagsterMagic (Dec 26, 2007 08:36AM)
Umm?
Message: Posted by: Terry Holley (Dec 26, 2007 08:41AM)
Another great example of something Andre' Kole once said:

"They took a 'miracle' and turned it into a magic trick."

Terry
Message: Posted by: The Drake (Dec 26, 2007 09:15AM)
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On 2007-12-26 06:26, LeeAlex2002 wrote:


I was present at a European convention earlier this year. Losander was also booked to lecture and perform.
The dealers' hall was split into two rooms with a total of about twenty dealers from Europe.
From these dealers THREE were selling knock off Losander Floating tables. One was selling knock off Spider Backdrops, and another selling (rather large!) Snow Animators.

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Which convention was that?

Best,

Tim
Message: Posted by: magicmarkdaniel (Dec 26, 2007 10:41AM)
I'm guessing at Blackpool. The knockoff scenario has been rife at Blackpool for a number of years. Our Italian friends have had sales space for as long back as I can remember.

Mark
Message: Posted by: The Drake (Dec 26, 2007 10:53AM)
[quote]
On 2007-12-26 11:41, magicmarkdaniel wrote:
I'm guessing at Blackpool. The knockoff scenario has been rife at Blackpool for a number of years. Our Italian friends have had sales space for as long back as I can remember.

Mark
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I thought so. I keep hearing this but the Official Blackpool people keep denying it. I'd love someone to get some photos so they can be confronted with some proof. I'd love to hear their comments when they see proof. LOL

Anyone going to Blackpool this year... take your cell phone camera. Hah!

Best,

Tim
Message: Posted by: magicmarkdaniel (Dec 26, 2007 11:39AM)
They can deny it all they like. Anyone who knows the difference between a knockoff and an original will be able to vouch for this. Usually there's a surge of knockoffs for sale on eBay during March. I wonder why this could be? Possibly because people who don't know any different are parting with their hard earned cash at the Feb convention, only to find that what they've bought is nothing more than junk which simply will not withstand regular performing.

Mark
Message: Posted by: magicmarkdaniel (Dec 26, 2007 11:41AM)
Can I just point out that the knockoffs are being sold by only one or two bad eggs out of the 100+ respectable dealers who also attend with their wonderful products. Its a real shame because the last I heard, there was a waiting list for sales space. So losing these planks would do them no damage as the space could easily be filled with honest and reliable dealers.

Mark

Posted: Dec 26, 2007 12:47pm
BTW, regarding taking pictures, from what I remember they're pretty hot on not allowing pictures to be taken within the dealer room. This could be for a number of reasons. The most obvious being that people take photos of the effect, go home and build it themselves. Or it could be that they then have nobody with proof to present that the knockoff scenario is actually taking place.

Mark
Message: Posted by: The Drake (Dec 26, 2007 11:57AM)
[quote]
On 2007-12-26 12:47, magicmarkdaniel wrote:
BTW, regarding taking pictures, from what I remember they're pretty hot on not allowing pictures to be taken within the dealer room. This could be for a number of reasons. The most obvious being that people take photos of the effect, go home and build it themselves. Or it could be that they then have nobody with proof to present that the knockoff scenario is actually taking place.

Mark
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I for one would be willing to take any heat for taking a photo of a knockoff. Rules are rules but the term " unclean hands" applies here. If you are selling knockoffs then I don't think you should be able to hide behind the ethics you are breaking.

Can you claim copyright on a copy of the original piece??? LOL

BTW... for those who are not familiar with the term " unclean hands" it basically goes like this. If you by illegal drugs from me on credit and don't pay I cannot ask a legal court to enforce our illegal contract and make you pay.

In this case... if you are trying to making an unethical deal ( like selling knockoffs ) then don't ask ethics to protect you.

Best,

Tim
Message: Posted by: LeeAlex2002 (Dec 26, 2007 01:33PM)
It was not Blackpool, although I do know of a similar scenario occuring there, with Losander in one corner and another dealer (in a prime spot!) selling floating tables.

The company with the "Spider" paltforms is from Brazil. The "Snow Animator company" is somewhere in Spain.
Message: Posted by: Terry Owens (Dec 26, 2007 01:38PM)
How could they let things like that happen...I know I paid good dollars for my spider backdrop, I know I would be upset, let alone those who are the originators of effects.
Message: Posted by: Christopher Starr (Dec 26, 2007 05:33PM)
That was pretty pathetic. :(
Message: Posted by: John Martin (Dec 26, 2007 05:57PM)
If Losander himself turned a blind eye to people selling his products, then who are we to debate the morals of pedaling rip-offs. A few years ago I spent quit a few dollars in long distance calls to report the blatant copying of video tapes by a local magic dealer here in Montreal. I called A-1 video DIRECTLY with name, number, address of this dealer. While they seemed very happy to hear from me, they DID absolutely NOTHING to stop this pirating. That's the last time I waste my time and energy. Most here would be advised to concentrated on what THEY do rather then what the OTHERS do. It seems like a new sport to try and find a rip-off.

All the best,

John
Message: Posted by: Alan Munro (Dec 26, 2007 06:20PM)
That video sucked in so many ways, that I lost count!
Message: Posted by: Drs_Res (Dec 26, 2007 06:28PM)
To quote Bart Simpson:

"I didn't think it was physically possible, but this both sucks and blows."
Message: Posted by: hugmagic (Dec 26, 2007 10:10PM)
And people ask me"Why don't you exhibit in Europe or at FISM?" I think the answer should be evident. I am not going to spoon feed the copyist and rip off artists. The people that buy my products protect their investment by not allowing other to study them to copy them.
Richard
Message: Posted by: cardfreakhk (Dec 27, 2007 02:51AM)
Magic has been hurted... for a long time...
How should we stop this? Turn a blind eye, too...?
Message: Posted by: Lusion (Dec 27, 2007 04:57PM)
That video gave me a headache
Message: Posted by: Magicque (Dec 27, 2007 05:45PM)
I just watched it...I've got 3 words to say: Oh my God...
Message: Posted by: abercrombe (Dec 28, 2007 12:24PM)
I Will be going to the Hocus Pocus convention in Bakersfeild area In Jan or feb, Need to look up the date, but I will use my camera if I see KOs. and get the dealers name. We should start publishing a list of these ripoff artist and put it on the web with pictures. Can they sue me for defamation if their hands are unclean? I'm not worried.
Abe
Message: Posted by: Matthew W (Dec 28, 2007 04:54PM)
At least they got the lighting on it right. For once I havent seen that thick base I usually do with this illusion.
Message: Posted by: Christopher Starr (Dec 28, 2007 10:23PM)
....oh it was there...
Message: Posted by: magicofCurtis (Dec 28, 2007 10:43PM)
Christopher, You could have saved yourself 10 g's if you would have bought this one! WINK