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| Topic: A Difficult Experiment Never Attempted Before.... |
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I'd like your participation.... If you decide to participate, please post your results as this is something I have not attempted before and, as far as I know, has never been attempted before in an internet forum. I want to put a Stephen Hawking statement to the test here... He says that "the laws of physics do not distinguish between the past and the future". The laws of physics, my friends, are time symmetric. This is an experiment across space and time... I do not know when you will try this with your own deck of cards (mere objects for this experiment), but regardless of that fact, I will attempt to influence a specific result. I will be using the KING and the SEVEN (do not confuse this with my King/Seven experiment, this is very different). Why the KING and the SEVEN? The KING was often represented in a deck of playing cards by great leaders in our world’s history, and the SEVEN a symbol of spirituality and inner knowledge. Both cards exude incredible energy and are ideal for this experiment. I have been in deep meditation for six hours, and I feel the time is right to begin the experiment. What I'd like you to do, during a quiet moment, is to take any complete deck of cards, shuffle them while thinking of the KING and the SEVEN and what they mean... Whenever you "feel" is the right time, stop mixing the cards and spread them out on a table. If my attempts to influence these results is successful, you will have a KING and SEVEN right next to each other in the deck. Sometimes I miss by one or two cards when performing this experiment in person, but the results will only be made known through your cooperation. Please post your results. One more thing: If you have read cutting-edge books on Science and Quantum Physics, please do not interfere with the experiment by exposing the complexities of such. When the time is right ... everyone will know. Thank you. |
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3 tries 1. Nearest K and 7 were separated by 5 cards (3 Ks were close together at one end of the deck). 2. Nearest K and 7 were separated by 3 cards. 3. Nearest K and 7 were separated by 2 cards AND the 7 was reversed!! (This one did surprise me, as I did not notice any cards being reversed in the overhand shuffling.) John |
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| Thank you, Magnus... I'm getting warmed up.... |
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After I completed my shuffling, a king was on the top and a seven was on the bottom. S. Patrick |
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After I finished shuffling, the king of diamonds and the seven of spades were right next to each other. -Brandon Johnson |
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| S., I would consider that a success, and I was nowhere near the cards, as far as you know anyway... Thank you. |
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1st try: KS next to the 7D and KH one card from 7S. 2nd: KS two from 7H. 3rd: 7C next to KD and 7D next to KC. :thumbsup: :righton: |
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| The King of Hearts and the Seven of Clubs were separated by one card (the Six of Diamonds). |
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| Crazy, man... I shuffled the deck, like you said, and found that the king of spades and the seven of spades had disappeared from the deck and ended up in my wallet! |
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| KD and 7D right next to each other. All the others were very far apart. |
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| Any math champ around to calculate the odds? |
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[quote] On 2008-01-12 20:51, Andy the cardician wrote: Any math champ around to calculate the odds? [/quote] I don't know the odds, but this works with any two different values selected (not considering suits). I use this "trick" sometimes to test people's shuffling skills. I let 'em pick any two values, and then shuffle to their hearts content. 9 times out of 10, the two selected values wind up right next to each other OR with a card in between them. It's wild. Try it out. |
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Tut tut. This isn't the place to discuss methods...that's Secret Sessions. Just enjoy Alexandre's presentation for now. John |
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The math to calculate the precise odds of that happening would be extremely tedious. I'm a math major, and I don't even feel like going through all of that. :lol: I can give you a rough estimate, though. If I don't account for a King showing up as the top or bottom card, and if I don't account for multiple Kings showing up next to each other, there is roughly a 46.9% chance of it happening. Upon this brief examination, I can't be sure how greatly that estimate might vary when you take into account the things that I left out. |
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| Nearest king and 7 were 4 cards apart. |
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[quote] On 2008-01-12 21:51, BrianMillerMagic wrote: The math to calculate the precise odds of that happening would be extremely tedious. I'm a math major, and I don't even feel like going through all of that. I can give you a rough estimate, though. If I don't account for a King showing up as the top or bottom card, and if I don't account for multiple Kings showing up next to each other, there is roughly a 46.9% chance of it happening. Upon this brief examination, I can't be sure how greatly that estimate might vary when you take into account the things that I left out. [/quote] It is an interesting problem. After reading your answer, I started to look around in the net - guess what . . . http://mathforum.org/library/drmath/view/52153.html Apparently, the odds seem to be rather favorable of this to happen. Thanks to the poster of this thread, my magical thinking has been enlarged. Thanks |
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Andy, Brian, and Austin obviously missed my plea to "please not interfere with the experiment by exposing the complexities of such." I did mention that in time everyone would know. Anyway, no big deal. Thanks for the support, Magnus and everyone else who participated. Just wanted to demonstrate in a fun way that presentation is very important in our art...even on something this simple. Now that you know how to do it, you may go ahead and use this presentation if you want, or come up with another. The sky is the limit on our imagination. |
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| Apologies, Alexandre, I really enjoyed the experiment. It was actually because I enjoyed it so much and it worked so well many times in a row that my math brain became curious. |
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Alexandre, Thanks for that nice gem! These types of things provide me with tons of performance mileage. On a side note, I believe there is some research out there that indicates you can obtain an even higher hit rate by having the participant go into a deep meditative state for 6 hours before shuffling. (Not sure if I read that research somewhere or saw it in a vision.) At any rate, thanks again! Nicholas |
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Nicholas it is very possible that you may be right about the deep meditation. I will look into it. Glad you enjoyed it. |
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[quote] On 2008-01-12 21:28, Magnus Eisengrim wrote: Tut tut. This isn't the place to discuss methods...that's Secret Sessions. Just enjoy Alexandre's presentation for now. John [/quote] Thank you John... Sheesh- for magicians they really have small regard for "the secret" (still wondering how he got those cards into my wallet...) G |
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| Good demo, Alexandre. I tried it a few more times today, and got several pairings. Great presentation idea. |
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Alexandre, apologies if I missed your point - as you were refering to quantum and physics, I missed that out. Andy |
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1st try: 1 king and 1 seven next to each other 2nd try: 2 pairs of kings and sevens. 3rd try: 1 pair of kings and sevens 4th try: 1 king, then 1 seven, then another king. which results in a king sandwhich with seven on top. 5th try: another sandwhich, 1king 1 seven, then 1 king. hmmm... the results are interesting. |
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Shuffled the deck and the king of spades and 7 of Hearts were next to each other also king of Clubs and 7 of Clubs were next to each other too! :)Nice one Alexandre! Pete |
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Peter, that worked out because I was deep in meditation at the time you attempted it. Strong stuff! :) |
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First try, King of Spades next to Seven of Spades and the King of Hearts next to the Seven of Hearts! I'll be using this one. ;) Thanks ALEXANDRE, very interesting! Wow! Tried again, shuffled 7 times. 5 out of seven resulted in a king and seven next to each other. I shuffle one handed, I wonder if shuffling technique affects the results? Dave |
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I wish John Scarne were alive for a consultation-he could figure the odds out pretty quickly. I've read this somewhere in a magic book, but unfortunately can't remember which. Anyway, the odds of this occurring are actually pretty favorable. This is almost the same as assembling a group of 30 or 35 people. Odds are that two of them share the same birthday, but odds are that someone shares *your* BD aren't so good. (This is covered in one of Scarne's books.) Rob |