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Topic: Slydini Silks vs Sly Scarves
Message: Posted by: yin_howe (Feb 2, 2008 10:33AM)
I am planning to purchase Tony Clark's Sly Scarves.
I'm wondering if there is a difference between the silks Tony Clark uses and the Slydini silks? Hope people here can help.
Thanks
Message: Posted by: Harry Murphy (Feb 2, 2008 02:27PM)
Nope, Clarke sells just what you need.

What makes a Slidini silk/scarf is the material it is made from (not silk) and the contrasting color thread to tell you where you are in the knot business (you know what I mean).

There are others out there making the necessary scarves in different sizes and colors. For example look at the red versions at the Ambitious Card site; they come in both the standard and a very large stage size. http://www.theambitiouscard.com/aitem.cfm?itemid=53

Palmer Tilden (who by the way owns the manufacturing rights to the Slydini silks) magic makes them in both the 18-inch and 24-inch size and even sells an inexpensive "training silks" set to get you started and not dirty up your working set (if you are serious about this being a regular feature of your act, buy several sets!). Palmer magic can be found at:
http://www.palmermagic.com/slydini_silks.html

Heck, Penguin magic even sells an inexpensive set:
http://www.penguinmagic.com/product.php?ID=902

All of them have the addition that Slydini developed to help you know what is what doing the trick.
Message: Posted by: yin_howe (Feb 2, 2008 09:58PM)
Thanks Harry.

Yes I am aware of the thread and the rip-proof parachute material that the Slydini 'Silks' are made of, but I heard the Tony Clark 'silks' are of a different material. Anyone owns both? are there any difference? I think the original Slydini silks look a little transparent.

Thanks

howe
Message: Posted by: Harry Murphy (Feb 2, 2008 10:55PM)
I have Clark's and they are nice, well made, and do the job. The original Slydini silks were a bit more transparent than any of the one's being produced today (that I have actually handled) because Slydini had his made of surplus WWII parachute material (Rayon).

I've own (custom size and color) Frank Starsini’s version (Ambitious Card.com). I use these most often (again I had Frank custom make them for me). I have Tony Clark’s and carry them with me to parties. They are a joy to work with.

I’ve owned Tilden Palmer’s version and I even owned a set sold by Slydini himself. They all are pretty much the same in handling.

Let me say this, I have also used men’s cotton handkerchief’s and they worked just as well. I first learned the trick as Charlie Edwards “self untying knots” years before I heard or saw Slydini. That’s how it was done. Frankly, almost any hank will work, the so-called Slydini silks/scarves just make it easier and last longer given the abuse the routine gives the material. I’ve even used standard magician silks to perform the routine.
Message: Posted by: yin_howe (Feb 3, 2008 02:26AM)
Thanks again for the info Harry.

I pretty much know the handling of the routine, and I have also seen Bill Malone's presentation his in On The Loose DVD.

I might just got for a set of 'training' sliks now, from Palmermagic.
I think regular magician's silk will get ripped in half when I do this. :)
Message: Posted by: Bill Brunelle (Feb 12, 2008 11:00PM)
Slydini only added the contrasting color thread as an aide to learning the routine. He didn't use a set like that himself, and his better students regarded it only as training wheels that got dropped off once they were up and running. I first studied the routine with Slydini when I was 15 years old, and once you really understand the routine and the knots, you do not need the contrasting color thread. Having said that, I did use them that way for a long time, and it never presented a problem. If you're doing the routine as Slydini did, the handling takes away all suspicion from the scarves being gimmicked in any way.

Bill Brunelle
Message: Posted by: Alan Munro (Feb 16, 2008 11:23AM)
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On 2008-02-02 23:55, Harry Murphy wrote:
Let me say this, I have also used men’s cotton handkerchief’s and they worked just as well. I first learned the trick as Charlie Edwards “self untying knots” years before I heard or saw Slydini. That’s how it was done. Frankly, almost any hank will work, the so-called Slydini silks/scarves just make it easier and last longer given the abuse the routine gives the material. I’ve even used standard magician silks to perform the routine.
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They work well, but the hem has to be very small. It's much easier to find hankies with tiny hems, today, than in Charlie Edwards' day.