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Topic: Criss Angel to appear on TNA pro wrestling
Message: Posted by: Jeff Corn (Feb 7, 2008 02:14PM)
I just read that TNA World Champion Kurt Angle filmed some video with Criss Angel to appear on an upcoming Mindfreak. Angel is also supposed to appear on TNA's tv show on SpikeTV. As a wrestling fan and magician, fan of Angel or not, this should be interesting.

This is what I saw: - TNA sent out a mobile alert saying that Kurt Angle filmed an episode of Mindfreak with Criss Angel in Las Vegas over the weekend. Angel is also expected to appear on Impact in the future.
Message: Posted by: Stevethomas (Feb 7, 2008 02:38PM)
Good, maybe he'll take up wrestling and give up magic.

Steve
Message: Posted by: Slim King (Feb 7, 2008 05:04PM)
I can see CA saying gee .. It's not real ... Wrestling is fake! ... I'll call you out! :)
Hope he comes to Orlando.
Message: Posted by: RileyG (Feb 8, 2008 12:06AM)
Is Criss Angel the new Andy Kaufman...?
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Feb 8, 2008 11:08AM)
Has Criss Angel ever been the "new" anything?
Message: Posted by: Big Daddy Cool (Feb 8, 2008 11:15AM)
Hmmm... BDC is intrigued...

Magic and Wrestling have met before. Tim Ellis had been a consultant for WCW, as was Zigmont. Ric Flair played a masked magic character called the Black Scorpion for a time, and even I was a consultant on an idea for Doug Bashem for the WWE...

I'll e watching. But, I would be anyway...
Message: Posted by: Tim Ellis (Feb 8, 2008 05:06PM)
Interestingly I saw the promo clip for WWE NO WAY OUT and it features a guy trapped underwater in chains. I thought, with his connections with WWE in Times Square, it could have been Criss Angel.

But with TNA... hmmm.

And sorry BDC, I wasn't a consultant for WCW. Though, if I was, it would explain why they're not around anymore *g*

TIM

BTW: CONTROVERSY CREATES CASH is a very interesting read...
Message: Posted by: Tim Ellis (Feb 8, 2008 05:08PM)
Oh, and Magic/Wrestling connections, magician Scott Robinson's brother is WWE referee Charles Robinson.
Message: Posted by: sickmagic (Feb 8, 2008 06:47PM)
As of right now this is just a rumor in the TNA camp! I have an inside friend that told me as he works for them. He did say that Angel was at the video game awards joking around with Kurt Angle and that they went to a UFC event together. There is no confirmation on this as of yet, however they are in talks based on what my friend told me!
Message: Posted by: Jeff Corn (Feb 11, 2008 09:21AM)
Tim, the ad for No Way Out is featuring Jeff Hardy dressed like Houdini. It was actually designed to be a tribute to him and is symbolic of a storyline they have running with him.
Message: Posted by: Donny Orbit (Feb 11, 2008 02:29PM)
For those of you that remember Paul Wight aka The Big Show, he was supposedly very good at sleight of hand. With the size of his paws, I am sure that he could palm a deck with no problems.

DO
Message: Posted by: Slim King (Feb 11, 2008 06:20PM)
I just spoke with Kurt Angle about an hour ago. He, his wife, and little girl were having Pizza backstage at the TNA taping. I asked him about CA and he said they were "Friends" and that they'd been hanging out in Vegas.
He said that CA was a nice guy :) I didn't get a chance to talk much since the show was going on and I had to help one of the female wrestlers with the Coke machine. I had a few crisper dollar bills :)
I hope Angle teaches Angel about KAYFABE!
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Feb 11, 2008 06:27PM)
I am shocked if it is the same target market as Cirque'.

And Slim, in all fairness, what was the last thing Criss "learned" that he already didn't think he knew?

He has been exposed to some of the greatest "teachers" if you will, alive today and squandered the opportunity to LEARN a darn thing! On this I believe we have common ground no?

Least of all how to act in public LOL.
Message: Posted by: Slim King (Feb 11, 2008 10:34PM)
I agree ...WOW :)
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Feb 12, 2008 12:29AM)
I gotta say I bet you would be SHOCKED at what we agree on sir, ESPECIALLY where Criss and his methods, and persona are concerned.

My problem is when you showed up to the party is all LOL.

I am actually VERY glad to find common ground Slim, no kidding, no sarcasam, no BS, I am glad.
Message: Posted by: pepka (Feb 12, 2008 01:30AM)
Danny hit the nail, well, you know where. I've watched wrestling off and on most of my life. Off right now. I preferred the old Jim Crockett days. I'm a HUGE mark for Ric Flair. I do remember a few times when magic and wrestling crossed paths. The aforementioned Black Scorpion for one. That whole angle was a train wreck and made wrestling AND magic look cheesy. Several years ago there was a thing where the Undertaker was in a casket which was set on fire and after it was put out, it was shown that he had escaped. I've always been curious if anyone was serving as a technical consultant, of if they just had some of their crew call order some stock illusions.

I don't care for Criss, but Angle is the man. It'd be interesting to see what happens.
Message: Posted by: Erich Troudt (Feb 13, 2008 02:27AM)
I know Franz Harary did some stuff for WCW back in the day.

I did a few minor little things with the now defunct XPW, a hardcore wrestling organization that did shows in California, jersey, New york, and Pittsburgh.

I always had a ton of fun doing stuff for them. It was a way to branch out, figuring out how to do things surrounded, with little cover, no body loads, and easy enough for them to do with little rehersal.
Message: Posted by: Jeff Corn (Feb 13, 2008 01:02PM)
Since this is turning to a magic in wrestling conversation, Cody Rhodes from WWE Raw actually played a magician when he first debuted in the training territory.
Message: Posted by: Slim King (Feb 13, 2008 07:14PM)
After the confrontation on Phenomenon CA claimed that he would have put Jim Callahan in the Hospital. ( Later he even spoke of a boxing match I've heard)
I would like to see both of them in the RING (Boxing or Wrestling) .... My money's on JIM :)
Mentalists have a lot to learn from Wrestlers in my book.
Maybe CA will.
Message: Posted by: The Feegee Mermaid (Feb 13, 2008 09:56PM)
Criss' new gimmick:
http://www.angelfire.com/wrestling2/crap/phantasio.html
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Feb 13, 2008 10:12PM)
[quote]
On 2008-02-13 20:14, Slim King wrote:
After the confrontation on Phenomenon CA claimed that he would have put Jim Callahan in the Hospital. ( Later he even spoke of a boxing match I've heard)
I would like to see both of them in the RING (Boxing or Wrestling) .... My money's on JIM :)
Mentalists have a lot to learn from Wrestlers in my book.
Maybe CA will.
[/quote]

Where exactly did you "hear" that from Slim?
Message: Posted by: sickmagic (Feb 13, 2008 11:16PM)
[quote]
On 2008-02-13 20:14, Slim King wrote:
After the confrontation on Phenomenon CA claimed that he would have put Jim Callahan in the Hospital. ( Later he even spoke of a boxing match I've heard)
I would like to see both of them in the RING (Boxing or Wrestling) .... My money's on JIM :)
Mentalists have a lot to learn from Wrestlers in my book.
Maybe CA will.
[/quote]

Heck magicians have a lot to learn from wrestling! Lets face it these athletes know how to sell an illusion! With theatrics and with there acting( I know the interviews are not that good in most cases). In the ring they are some of the best illusionists in the world! I have learned a lot from them about the sell(a wrestling term). Even though it is a soap opera of sorts it does have pure entertainment, with the sell, heat, and the way they work the crowds they are top notch entertainers with a lot of athletic ability!

The Phantasio character was a good idea, but executed wrong! In wrestling a gimmick needs to be subtle for it to truly work well! Look at all the greats in wrestling! In most cases(not all) the gimmicks were subtle! hmmmmmmmm much like the way magic should be when performed.
Message: Posted by: Slim King (Feb 14, 2008 12:40PM)
CA gave many interviews after the confrontation claiming he would be the victor in any physical or violent fight. He said he'd put Jim in the hospital. Many were on TV and some may still be posted on youtube. Please feel free to look them up. It's a matter of public record. He also said that he would destroy Jim's career. Nice guy.
Message: Posted by: Big Daddy Cool (Feb 14, 2008 10:34PM)
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On 2008-02-08 18:06, Tim Ellis wrote:
Interestingly I saw the promo clip for WWE NO WAY OUT and it features a guy trapped underwater in chains. I thought, with his connections with WWE in Times Square, it could have been Criss Angel.

But with TNA... hmmm.

And sorry BDC, I wasn't a consultant for WCW. Though, if I was, it would explain why they're not around anymore *g*

TIM

BTW: CONTROVERSY CREATES CASH is a very interesting read...
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I could have sworn you were involved with pro wrestling? Did I read that somewhere or only imagine it?

Controversy Creates Cash has a lot of great lessons for us all!!!
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Feb 14, 2008 11:50PM)
[quote]
On 2008-02-14 13:40, Slim King wrote:
CA gave many interviews after the confrontation claiming he would be the victor in any physical or violent fight. He said he'd put Jim in the hospital. Many were on TV and some may still be posted on youtube. Please feel free to look them up. It's a matter of public record. He also said that he would destroy Jim's career. Nice guy.
[/quote]

Yes he said all that, but where was the boxing match mentioned as part of public record. I would LOVE to look that up.

You said you "heard" that and I wanted to know where. Please post a link to it if you would be so kind. Your so fond of posting links and calling others names.
Message: Posted by: pepka (Feb 15, 2008 08:56AM)
That does it! Callahan-Angel, cage match. Sigfried is special guest referee.