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Topic: My short show (will it work?)
Message: Posted by: tomthemagicman (Feb 12, 2008 10:35PM)
I'm very, very new to magic (a year), and I've been getting lots and lots of pressure to go into this talent show. Everyone wants to see the D'lites, and I have the Hippity Hop Rabbits. The show is for an audience aged 10 - senior. I don't want to be up their too long because everyone on the Penguin Magic forum is telling me to skip it because I'm not ready. It's just I'm getting so much pressure from friends, parents, and teachers who want to see me perform. I was wondering if this would make a good performance:

Walk out with music doing D'lites. This will last about a minute, then start eating D'lites and finally pull mouth coil from mouth. Then music ends, and I perform standard Hippity Hop Rabbits. The End.

The show is March 10.
I kinda want to do it, and it would be a shame to ditch it. Anyways, I hope you can help me out.

Thank you so much!
Message: Posted by: Stanyon (Feb 12, 2008 10:48PM)
Well...you never really know how deep the water is until you jump in!

Cheers! ;)
Message: Posted by: Father Photius (Feb 12, 2008 10:49PM)
If you want to do it, do it. It is a very short piece you have planned. If you feel ready, then go for it. It's not like your whole career is over if you don't do well. For what you plan, a year's practice should be more than enough. I'm presuming your Hippity Hop Rabbits are not the miniature size, but a size that can be seen from stage. Also, if you plan to do D'lites on a stage, how bright is the stage? They may not be visible, and you may need the stage lighting dimmed. Since it is a talent show, you don't have to do a full show, just a couple of tricks.
Message: Posted by: marty.sasaki (Feb 14, 2008 12:35AM)
Talent show performances aren't that long anyway, maybe a single song or a quick bit of juggling or dancing, so your routine should fit in time-wise.

You might think about a third trick for an encore. If you do really well, and actually win, you might be asked to do something else at the end.

If you feel that you can do the show, then just do it. Even if you aren't "successful", you will learn so much that you will wonder why you didn't do it before.
Message: Posted by: Michael J. Douglas (Feb 14, 2008 10:35AM)
The only one who knows if you're ready is you. Don't let anyone pressure you into or out of anything. If [i]you[/i] want to do it, do it. And as Photius said, you may want to check out the lighting to see if it can be dimmed for your D'lites (but brought back up for your mouth coil and Rabbits, of course).
Message: Posted by: abc (Feb 14, 2008 10:47AM)
It is humorous that everyone on the penguin forum says no and everyone here says yes.
Lets put some reason to it.
The two extremes of what can happen is this. You do a great routine and everyone enjoys it then you haven't lost anything.
You do a terrible show and you have the opportunity to hopefully learn form it and get better. You may read my post again afterwards and say I wish I hadn't perform and abc was wrong but then you didn't learn anything.
You may also decide not to do anything and then wish that you did.
Do it and learn from it. You have nothing to lose.
Message: Posted by: Dave McFarland (Feb 14, 2008 12:16PM)
Do it!

It sounds like you want to perform, and with the two effects you're after you should be able to just practice, practice, practice up until the show.

I think a lot of magicians who are just learning magic (i count myself among this crowd) are really afraid to just get out and perform...but it's really the only way you'll ever learn HOW to perform. As abc points out there really isn't failure, just learning.
Message: Posted by: Jaz (Feb 14, 2008 03:28PM)
Years ago, in my magic infancy, my brother-in-law put pressure on me to perform at a family party.
I had some doubts but was well practiced and decided to give it a shot.
Let me just say that it didn't go very well.
However, I learned few things about prop and audience management as well as what I could have done differently.

Give it a shot.
You have nothing to lose at this point in your magic journey and probably much to in front of a live audience.

Good Luck,
Message: Posted by: Hansel (Feb 14, 2008 05:05PM)
If you feel Comfortable with the routine, DO IT...if is a Talent Show and you are the only one doing magic always people like magic.The point of Photius is very acceptable,why bright is the stage? If you have many lights doing the d lites the people will thing you are doing some strange dance...The Hippity Hop is a good prop, If I were you I switch the order,first the introduction and the rabbits routine and for FINALE the mouth coil (Peoples always like it) but its only MY OPINION,
Thanks and Good Luck,
Message: Posted by: tomthemagicman (Feb 14, 2008 05:27PM)
Wow! thanks guys! I think I will do it. Don't worry about the lighting as it is set up in such a way that the lights are always dimmed and the stage lights can be brought up when the performer asks for them to be brought up. Really the main reason I was intimidated is that it popped up so soon. I only learned about the show 2 days before my first post. I think I'll have some music with my d'lite routine...

Message: Posted by: what (Feb 14, 2008 11:27PM)
Be sure to dress up in something that makes you look like a magician, and you will win them over before you even start.
Come out with good energy, and have fun.
Magic, after all is meant to be shared.


Message: Posted by: Lester (Feb 16, 2008 05:30AM)
Best of luck Tom,

Message: Posted by: KidMagic (Feb 16, 2008 10:24AM)
Do it! There's nothing to loose, and if it goes bad that will be a good expeirence for you!

Message: Posted by: Mr. Bob (Feb 16, 2008 02:57PM)
I definitely think that you should go for it. I did my first stage show after having been harassed by friends and family for months. It did not all worked out, but it end up being quite good. There is lots of thing you can only learn while performing on stage and this seems like a perfect opportunity to do it.
I hope you have fun...
Message: Posted by: robert bianchi (Feb 16, 2008 05:21PM)
Do it, but let us know how it turned out.

Also, it does not matter how many effects, so long as what you do has the showmanship element to it, and you create a theme that let's them know that it will be short, but awesome.

Good luck!
Message: Posted by: billm55 (Feb 18, 2008 02:53PM)
Just jump in and do it. You'll probably do fine. Get in some more practice between now and then to help assure your readiness and DO IT!!! Good luck.
Message: Posted by: magicalaurie (Feb 18, 2008 05:00PM)
Hi Tom,

I've got a suggestion but maybe you're already doing this. I would suggest rehearsing it exactly the way you plan to perform for the show- with music, costume, patter- everything- start to finish. It sounds like you're familiar with the stage you'll be performing on, if so, you can even rehearse with its layout in mind. From your entrance to your exit. You may find the actual performance doesn't go exactly as you had planned during your rehearsal- there may be some things you'll have to work around- but you'll have a good foundation to go from. That should make you feel more prepared for the stage. Best wishes, whatever you decide. :)
Message: Posted by: Slartibartfast (Feb 18, 2008 08:05PM)
Excellent advice so far. The only thing I would add is to record yourself doing the routine, and then watch it with a critical eye. I haven't done any public magic shows, but I have a lot of experience with other types of presentations. You would be amazed at what you can learn about your mannerisms by watching yourself on tape. Until I recorded myself, I never realized that I fiddled with my rings when nervous. It was very distracting to watch, so I now remove my rings before doing any kind of large presentation.

Good luck.
Message: Posted by: tomthemagicman (Feb 21, 2008 05:29PM)
Just an update on my show,

Ok, well I did my audition and they loved it. Now a problem has been raised. They liked it so much that they want more, I think I'll tell them that I don't want to do more. Then my drama teacher told them that I could juggle (which I can) but I'm not as good at juggling as I am at magic. I can juggle 2 in one hand, three in both hands, and four in both hands and I know a couple of 3 ball tricks. The problem is I don't think I am confident enough with my tricks to actually do them on stage. Usually I just juggle in hallways and on sidewalks to whoever watches and if I drop
one it doesn't matter to much, but now I'll be on stage so I think I'll just tell them I won't juggle for the show.

Just wondering what you guys thought.
Message: Posted by: marty.sasaki (Feb 21, 2008 05:57PM)
I suggest putting together a routine and then sticking with it. If you want a longer routine, then work on a longer routine. Things are better when one thing flows into another, or there is an overall theme. Is there a reason to combine your juggling with magic? I think it's too soon to try to put together a combination routine, but it's something to work on.

Great job.
Message: Posted by: Montethrower (Feb 21, 2008 10:56PM)
To echo what everbody else said, go for it. Only lengthen the routine if you really feel comfortable with the new segment. Regardless, you will learn no matter what, and you'll probably have fun.

Keep us updated,

Message: Posted by: Slartibartfast (Feb 22, 2008 08:06AM)
The foremost rule in entertainment is "Leave them wanting more." It sounds like you accomplished that in your audition. If you are not comfortable doing the juggling, and it does not fit in with the flow of the show, then leave it out.
Message: Posted by: tomthemagicman (Mar 19, 2008 11:25PM)
Well guys, I did it... and it was a complete and total...

SUCCESS! Everyone loved me. They cheered all through my d'lite routine and gasped when I pulled the streamer out of my mouth. Then during my hipity hop rabbits I even got them laughing! Thanks sooo much for the encouragement, now I know I can do this! Hey, I even won the door prize! judging by the applause I was in at least the top 3 performers.
Thanks and Cheers
Message: Posted by: Hansel (Mar 20, 2008 01:39AM)
Congratulations!Go ahead and keep the good work!
Message: Posted by: VcosNJ (Mar 20, 2008 05:29AM)
Congrats Tom! It's the best feeling in the world when you know you've done good and everyone loves your work. :)
Message: Posted by: 0045 (Mar 20, 2008 05:43AM)
Hi Tom

Well I guess I am too late with my advice, I have only just joined this thread. What I was going to say is that despite the advice given here only you will ever know if you are ready for a public performance, and you must make up your own mind.

You sound like quite a young fellow and going up on stage is extremely daunting at the best of times. Anyway it seems you deemed that you were ready and pulled it off 100%. I take my hat off to you, It must have taken a huge amount of courage.

I only ever perform close up for friends and family and the thought of a stage performance fills me with dread. I have nothing but admiration for you. Well done indeed.

Regards 0045
Message: Posted by: Loopback (Mar 20, 2008 09:42AM)
Tom, that's awesome man!! Congratulations on your performance!!
Message: Posted by: abc (Mar 20, 2008 09:46AM)
In future listen to the guys here and not to the guys on the Penguin forum. We are not always right. Just most of the time.
Message: Posted by: Justin Style (Mar 20, 2008 09:52AM)
Send me a PM with your address and I'll send you some fresh NEW D'LITES, And I'll get Rocco to give you an autographed picture.

Sounds like you did a good job, congratulations!

BTW; Do you know I'm the first person to ever sell D'LITE. The moves you describe are the ones I do on the Original D'LITE video. (Which is now a collectors item.)

Message: Posted by: 0045 (Mar 20, 2008 10:11AM)

The generosity ( Oh dear, too many whiskeys, I think I may have spelled that wrong) of the folks at the Café never ceases to amaze me, I think you are a seriously fine fellow and I wish I was in a position to do something similar.

The young man definately deserves it.

Regards 0045
Message: Posted by: loyaleagle (Mar 24, 2008 12:17AM)
Wow, sounds like a great experience. I'm glad to see everybody helped him along throughout the whole thing...

I have a talent show coming up pretty soon too and I just got back into magic after many MANY years of my trunk sitting in storage. Your story has really made me think twice about saying no, though. Unfortunately I do mostly card magic and depending on the size of the venue, it may not be a good fit.
Message: Posted by: magicalaurie (Mar 24, 2008 05:54PM)
On 2008-03-20 00:25, tomthemagicman wrote:
Well guys, I did it... and it was a complete and total...

SUCCESS! [/quote]

Hey, good for you, Tom.
Message: Posted by: tomthemagicman (Mar 24, 2008 11:57PM)
Thanks for all the encouragement, I'm really glad I did it! A lesson we all should take from this is that performing few tricks well is better than many tricks badly. My whole act lasted about 3 minutes and consisted of only a d'lite to streamer routine and the hippity hop rabbits, and it turned out great! Thanks again guys. And a HUGE thank you to Justin Style.
Message: Posted by: tomthemagicman (Apr 7, 2008 05:56PM)
Justin Style, you rock!
Got home today to find a box on my doorstep. I picked it up and immediately noticed that
a) it was addressed specifically to me
B)It was from D'lite

I excitedly opened it expecting to find one set of d'lites from Justin Style. What actually was there was: Rocco's autograph, 2 sets of regular d'lites, 2 sets of junior d'lites, a set of d'lite morphs and a set of blue d'lites. I practically screamed with excitement!

Message: Posted by: acesover (Apr 7, 2008 06:45PM)
Don't be surprised if you get some emails or PM's asking for advise.

Great Start. Keep it up.

John (acesover)
Message: Posted by: Justin Style (Apr 8, 2008 10:03AM)
Thanks Tom!

Go out and Rock on! Spread magic to others and let them see the light shine through you. Now when you perform D'lite you will have a few to give out, if you want to make people happy.

Good luck, have fun!

Message: Posted by: Jason Simonds (Apr 8, 2008 11:19AM)
Great job, Tom! It sounds like you had fun!
Message: Posted by: JasonbytheOcean (Apr 8, 2008 11:30AM)
On 2008-03-25 00:57, tomthemagicman wrote:
Thanks for all the encouragement, I'm really glad I did it! A lesson we all should take from this is that performing few tricks well is better than many tricks badly. [/quote]


MANY congratulations, look forward to hearing more about your performances in the future!

I just came across this thread, and had a thought no one else mentioned until you did, above. I'm surprised there weren't more suggestions that you practice more, rehearse with another magician, etc. instead of just going for it. The reason being, we so often as magicians complain about people who go on and perform before they're really ready, and how that diminishes the art for the rest of us. The next time the spectator sees someone about to perform, they recall the negative experience and their impressions of magic are lowered as a result.

However, in your case, you stuck to what you know and did a great job because of it. Thanks for giving someone a reason to remember magic as amazing, maybe they'll come to someone else's gig as a result! G'donya, and keep it up!
Message: Posted by: NurseRob (Apr 16, 2008 07:55PM)
Nice work Tom, I am a Huge fan of the D'Lytes, they have such an unexpected impact, which captivates quickly, and stays magical. Justin is a great guy and an inspiration to us new guys. You will do well to enjoy yourself at all times, and build on your successes!