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Topic: WOW by Masuda
Message: Posted by: MagicianDM (Feb 13, 2008 02:05AM)
Hey all,

My magic order from MJM has arrived, and I got a red deck of bicycle cards, Hollow by Menny Lindenfeld, Mystery Hole by Masuda and WOW by Masuda.

Everyone knows Hollow, it's a nice trick.

Mystery Hole is the coolest gimmick in my opinion, absolutely brilliant. People say it's a bit angle sensitive and it is but not in the "angle sensitive" Hollow way. (if you understand me). Like they can rub their fingers on the photo (back and front).

Now for WOW. I'm very impressed with this gimmick, I showed it to everyone in my family and they said it was amazing.

But then my family's friends came over, and one of them is a very, very smart 15 year old boy.

This is where the troubles started happenning. I practised WOW and was confident to perform it. Then I ask him if the bottom card is his card, and he says his card is on top with a knowing smile. I DL...6 of spades..my wow gimmick is 8 of hearts. Hmmm. During the riffle shuffle something must have happenned. =(

I do it again, perform all correctly, then I grabbed my WOW in biddle grip...oh boy.."and now the 8 of hearts is inside the sleeve" was his comment.

Then I showed some variations of it to my sister, and he then said something along the lines of a hologram or some other thing which I did NOT hear. Now do you think he figured WOW out? Cause it's buzzing me...

Have you had anyone figure WOW out? Also, I rarely lose breaks/stuff up controls.
Message: Posted by: viris (Feb 13, 2008 03:49AM)
They sell a non gimmicked sleeve for the curiuos ones in the group. ;) You should look (read) at the directions again because I don't control there card to the top of the deck.

Message: Posted by: JSBLOOM (Feb 13, 2008 09:49AM)
Perhaps he has seen tricks exposed on youtube showing where a card is brought to the top.
I have WOW, but have not used it. IMHO, if I do come up with a routine I would start with the 8H inside stating it is my favorite card so I keep it in a special holder so it will not bend ect....
The other thing is force the 8H and make it jump into wow.
Message: Posted by: james08 (Feb 13, 2008 03:38PM)
I use wow for card transpo which is very visual transposition.

viris is right, you may also have the ungimmicked holder so you can hand it for inspection.

Message: Posted by: MagicianDM (Feb 13, 2008 09:16PM)
I do own WOW, I don't prefer putting something onto my cards like in the routine, I do it impromptu card handling. I also own Boxing Match, FBH and Awatenai Awatenai.
Message: Posted by: viris (Feb 14, 2008 03:56AM)
On 2008-02-13 22:16, MagicianDM wrote:
I do own WOW, I don't prefer putting something onto my cards like in the routine, I do it impromptu card handling. I also own Boxing Match, FBH and Awatenai Awatenai.
Well then that's why you got caught by a 15 year old. It's only a deck of cards, what are they a couple of dollars? It's not like your destroying the whole deck of cards.
Message: Posted by: ChrisK (Feb 14, 2008 08:30AM)
On 2008-02-13 03:05, MagicianDM wrote:

1) I DL...6 of spades..my wow gimmick is 8 of hearts. Hmmm. During the riffle shuffle something must have happenned. =(

2) I do it again, perform all correctly, then I grabbed my WOW in biddle grip...oh boy.."and now the 8 of hearts is inside the sleeve" was his comment.

Have you had anyone figure WOW out? Also, I rarely lose breaks/stuff up controls.

With regards to 1) and how you say you rarely lose breaks or mess up controls, I guess this is one of those times where you'd like to dig a hole in the ground and kill yourself. Everyone messes up once in a while... That's what practice is for mate.

and with regards to 2), I don't get it. You obviously have to show that the 8 of Hearts is in the gimmick yes? Before the colour change happens. So what seems to be the problem..?

I go with what JSBLOOM said. I've always used it as a separate "prediction-gone-wrong-and-then-changes" sort of effect - it keeps the hecklers quiet. After all, predictions are one of the most believable premises aorund. I personally find it odd to suddenly stick a card in the gimmick...

My 2 cents.

Message: Posted by: Magiguy (Feb 14, 2008 12:39PM)
Jamie Grant offers a nice take on the trick [url=http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=245483&forum=175&0]HERE[/url]
Message: Posted by: Magic Mike Japan (Feb 15, 2008 05:11PM)
Try having the participant hold the Wow in his/her hand while you do your patter, dity-work. I tried this the other night at a walk-around gig and the reaction was outstanding. Make them believe the magic happened in their hand and they have control of the outcome.
Message: Posted by: MagicianDM (Feb 18, 2008 02:59AM)
Ok so the cards here aren't a couple of dollars, more like $12, I still have spare decks to put stuff on. When I grabbed the WOW in biddle grip I "activated" it, that's what I meant. But I practised it a lot, check it out. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McGaibFBZ-U

I guess it was because I didn't get to "play" around with the gimmick to get used to it.
Message: Posted by: Larry Davidson (Feb 18, 2008 08:48AM)
I'd suggest that you work on your DL and develop a lighter touch. Also, do you have any outward motivation for using the sleeve? If not, and if you're also not switching the sleeve for an ungimmicked one, you're begging for trouble.
Message: Posted by: viris (Feb 18, 2008 08:57AM)
^^^ My thought exacly^^^. You don't need to DL. Did you get the other "something" in the package that you put on the card? It makes it a lot easier. What cards are you using that are $12? :eek:
Message: Posted by: MagicianDM (Feb 18, 2008 12:39PM)
Yes, the bicycle cards here are $12, and I need help with my DL, what's wrong with it?
Message: Posted by: Larry Davidson (Feb 18, 2008 03:29PM)
You have an unmotivated get-ready, and you're handling the top card(s) as if it's heavier than it should be.
Message: Posted by: ChrisK (Feb 18, 2008 07:35PM)
Man where are you living where bikes cost 12bucks?!

Your DL: You're obviously thumbcounting - try other ways of getting breaks.
Message: Posted by: viris (Feb 19, 2008 03:35AM)
Do yourself a favor and just do the routine like it reads in the instuctions.^^^Like they said above about your DL.^^^ And use the d****e s***d t**e that comes with it. It makes the whole routine much easier. And pardon the pun but WOW you have to get your bicycles from someone else.
Message: Posted by: MagicianDM (Feb 19, 2008 12:33PM)
Im still learning pinky counts.
Message: Posted by: Andy the cardician (Feb 19, 2008 08:17PM)
Kids are actually rather smart - as they go for the easiest solution. Grown ups do think more complex.
Message: Posted by: Larry Davidson (Feb 20, 2008 05:31PM)
Actually, adults and kids reach conclusions based on their beliefs/knowledge of how the world works. Kids know less about how the world works, so they sometimes reach conclusions that adults don't reach simply because adults would find those conclusions illogical (i.e., contrary to the adults' beliefs/knowledge of how the world works).

If you want to fool someone, for example a magician, you simply need to use that individual's beliefs/knowledge against him or her. For example, a number of years ago when magicians weren't doing much sleeving, you could fool a magician by sleeving, simply because magicians didn't commonly believe that magicians sleeved, whereas you couldn't fool laymen with the same technique because laymen commonly believed that magicians did hide things in their sleeves.

To use [i]WOW[/i] effectively, you need to take heat off of the gimmick or switch it for an ungimmicked duplicate, which you can do in a number of different ways.
Message: Posted by: Robert M (Feb 20, 2008 07:19PM)
It's easier to fool a room full of rocket scientists than it is to fool a room full of 10 year-olds.

Message: Posted by: jquackc (Feb 21, 2008 02:51AM)
The one time I used WOW (while it was demoed at a magic shop) I didn't do the visual change. The change is just too magical for one not to alteast look at the sleeve. So I used in a different context. I place an indifferent card in the sleeve, showed it to really be there. Then turned it face down and left it on the table. Shuffled the deck, then gave my magical gesture, and showed that the I magically exchanged the card even though it was locked in the sleeve. It was part of a transpo routine and the sleeve was to "prevent me from using sleight of hand". The change looks good but maybe too good. It just begs to be inspected. Unless you have a ungaffed dupe, then I would suggest taking heat of the gimmick.

Also, I have yet to see a performer give a reason for puting the card in the sleeve. What's the motivation? It just seems out of place.
Message: Posted by: Larry Davidson (Feb 21, 2008 07:20AM)
Motivations are discussed in [url=http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=169690&forum=109]this[/url] thread.
Message: Posted by: MagicianDM (Feb 22, 2008 12:55AM)
Thanks everyone!
Message: Posted by: MagicianDM (Feb 23, 2008 03:12PM)
Ok, where do you guys store your WOW? I store it in the instruction sheet at the moment...
Message: Posted by: viris (Feb 24, 2008 06:11AM)
I put it in a packet trick wallet.
Message: Posted by: organicmagician (Feb 24, 2008 09:38AM)
I think this is the double-edged sword with a wow-like effect. The visual effect is so strong, most thinking people would probably realize immediately that this strange plastic sleeve contributed to a visual, utterly impossible transposition.

That doesn't necessarily destroy the effect. And most people wouldn't be smartasses and try to explain a trick right after it happens. But, its tough for me to believe bright people don't strongly suspect the illusion was created by the sleeve, somehow.
Message: Posted by: Larry Davidson (Feb 24, 2008 10:09AM)
Then switch it.
Message: Posted by: jquackc (Feb 26, 2008 03:57PM)
....or see my post above.

The strongest part of this gimmick is that you can do a visual change of a card...but that may be too strong...atleast too strong to not suspect the sleeve. The second strongest feature is that you can clearly show one card in there, and then later show and take out a different card....so if you don't do the visual change you can eliminate a bit of the "too perfect". Just show it to be one card, turn it face down, have the specs watch you very closely, then turn back over showing the change.

or you can just switch it....

or you can just not use it...

maybe a good double lift with no extra sleeve can be much stronger than a visual change inside an odd sleeve. Magic isn't strongest when it fools the eyes, it just has to fool the brain. Color changes scream sleight of hand and sleeves scream gimmicks. Undoubtedly placing one card in someones hand and having it change, even when its face down, screams MAGIC. As long as their convinced it's the same card throughout, your doing magic.

Message: Posted by: fxdude (Mar 13, 2008 09:47PM)
I finally picked up the non gimmicked version of the card holder. At the end I pull their signed card out and throw it on the table and make sure it's their card. At that point I take the gimmicked one and put it in my pocket next to the non gimmicked one. When they ask to see it I pull out the non gimmicked one. I've also switched it without putting it into my pocket which was even better.
Message: Posted by: fxdude (Mar 13, 2008 09:48PM)
Oh and I've had a few people think it was a hologram but I showed it to them at all angles, they couldn't figure out how it worked.
Message: Posted by: MagicianDM (Mar 14, 2008 03:48PM)
I used it with a 2 card transpo using only 2 cards to about 15-20 people in my class and they all freaked out. I did the change moderately -slow.
Message: Posted by: Loopback (Mar 16, 2008 12:18PM)
Same here MagicianDM. I found the method Jamie Grant used in his magic friday column to get the best results for me.

Using it to make their signature appear on the card is also a blast. The slower the better.
Message: Posted by: Magiguy (Mar 28, 2008 10:38PM)
Here's another great routine to explore...
[url=http://www.stevensmagic.com/featuredstory/Racherbaumer/index.asp]Hofzinser Meets the WOW Factor[/url]

*originally found at jonracherbaumer.com
Message: Posted by: Magicmike1949 (May 31, 2008 05:21PM)
How many use the ungaffed Wow and a switch? If so, what's your method?
Message: Posted by: Paul D (May 31, 2008 05:49PM)
If you need help with your double turnover there is a great video by Jay Sankey called " Oh My God" on that fine video of beautiful, taseful magic he teaches a great method to keep 2 cards together using a bit of "Spittle"... perfect your moves to the point where there is no thought about...whats next...or any hesitation because the audience can feel it and then and only then perform your magic. Remember you may be the only magician they ever see and you don't want to make the rest of us look bad. Magic is and art treat it as such. Most magicians don't try hard enough don;t be one of those guys.
Message: Posted by: Tyler (Jun 1, 2008 11:35PM)
I'm with Mike. What method(s) have you all used to ring in the gaffed WOW if using the ungaffed? What routines etc... have you found for using the ungaffed WOW?
Message: Posted by: Cameron Francis (Jun 6, 2008 08:33AM)
I don't think you would use the ungaffed Wow for anything other than to switch out the gaffed Wow so it can be examined. At least, I wouldn't use it for anything else.
Message: Posted by: Andy Moss (Jun 18, 2008 06:40PM)
Mike,Tyler and Cameron I hope that the following helps. Just a few thoughts that have come to mind. With respect to switching OUT the gaffed wow perhaps consider creating a 'Find the Lady' type monte routine using three ungaffed and one gaffed wow?.This is my take.

Make sure that there is a duplicate QC on top of the face down deck before the effect. Make sure also that there is an ungaffed wow wallet with a 6H in it ready in your pocket. Start by introducing two red cards (6H's) and one black card (QC) from the deck of cards.For the first phase start by entertaining the audience with a normal monte routine before introducing the three wallets (one gaffed and two ungaffed) with the rationale that they are to be used 'to stop you from cheating'.The QC naturally goes into the gaffed wow and the two red 6C's into the two ungaffed wallets.You could even put elastic bands around the wallets to emphasise the fact that the cards are 'bound' so that you cannot tamper with them.

For the second phase move the three wallets around face down and reveal that what the spectator believes is the QC is infact one of the 6H's. You say that you will now make it easier for them by eliminating one of the sixes so that the odds are now more in their favour and you do so by placing the gaffed wow (the QC but appearing to show the 6H image) into your pocket.

Third phase with the two ungaffed wallets will naturally result in spectator failing to locate the Queen. Then you reintroduce what the spectator will assume to be 'the other 6H'. Of course this time you switch for an ungaffed wow with real 6H.

Fourth phase is to move three wallets about again perhaps this time with the 'two red cards' remaining face up during the moves only to be turned face down at the very last minute. Now surely the spectator will find the QC you say...and the spectator again fails to find Queen.

One might end the effect by showing that all three cards are infact 6H's and that the Queen has completely disappeared. I might then gently direct the spectator to turn over the top card on the deck to reveal the duplicate QC. How it got there is anyone's guess! With respect to the patter it is O.K to involve the spectator but not perhaps to challenge him/her overtly. One might better present the routine with the magician himself being fooled each time along with the audience. This makes for better entertainment. With this routine there is no heat on the pocket.You are left completely clean and the ungaffed wow's can of course be closely examined at the end of the effect.

Anyway best wishes Andy.
Message: Posted by: micromega123 (Jun 27, 2008 07:22PM)
Would you all prefer the handling as explained in the instructions or a card control. I would think that the handling in the instructions, although requiring some setup, looks cleaner. what's your opinion?
Message: Posted by: rohojamagic (Sep 9, 2008 04:51PM)
Hi ...
This may be a help for some of you guys who are struggling with a DL. I always think a DL looks awkward, so try this....
Prepare a deck with Ro****ng f***d. Do all the faces of all cards and the back of the "wow" card.
With a deck prepared like this it is easy to turn the "wow" card with the chosen card together ... no DL problem.

Message: Posted by: sahunhong (Sep 26, 2008 12:57AM)
Have a quick question.. I'd like to use WOW with the "magnetic card box".

WOuld it fit?

Message: Posted by: Lord Freddie (Sep 26, 2008 10:51AM)
Do you mean as in a magnetic Bicycle card box?
I don't think it would fit into one very well. It's thicker on the edges than a
normal card.