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Topic: Any Ideas?
Message: Posted by: Oyama (Feb 26, 2008 04:44PM)
I am looking for a mentalism Card effect where I NEVER touch the cards. It must be impromptu. I would like to give the cards to a spectator in the box and never touch them again. Please remember that I want it to be completly impromptu. Can anyone turn me in the right direction? Thanks in advance.
Message: Posted by: Terry Holley (Feb 26, 2008 04:56PM)
Look for a mentalism card trick done over the phone.

Message: Posted by: Anthony Jacquin (Feb 26, 2008 04:57PM)
When they do, let me know.


Message: Posted by: the fritz (Feb 26, 2008 04:59PM)

What about Untouched?
Message: Posted by: Slim King (Feb 26, 2008 05:05PM)
I will do one for you over the phone if you'd like ... My favorite card effect :)
Message: Posted by: Waters (Feb 26, 2008 05:07PM)
"KENT" by John Mahood/Kenton Knepper (you never touch the cards).

If you buy that, then my "(k?nt)" (no one touches cards)

Both are impromptu!

Message: Posted by: Oyama (Feb 26, 2008 05:08PM)
The fritz- I will look into Untouched. Thank you.

Slim King- I would love for you to do that! I am at work now. How about tomorrow morning? I will PM you my Cell number again, incase you don't have it anymore.
Message: Posted by: Slim King (Feb 26, 2008 05:10PM)
Sure :) I'll be at Universal all day. I'll give you the backstage number via PM.
Message: Posted by: entity (Feb 26, 2008 05:12PM)
Lazy Man's Card Trick.

- entity
Message: Posted by: Oyama (Feb 26, 2008 05:25PM)
Entity- Thank you. I will look into that.
Message: Posted by: Anthony Jacquin (Feb 26, 2008 05:45PM)
I would have recommended K?NT too but you said you wanted cards :)

If you are happy to have an impromptu thought of card and you name it routine without cards then you should have a look at Sean Waters work Ponderings. There is also another psychological card force routine in Ponderings that works perfectly alongside.

In an impromptu situation then why not add to that KK. They just think of a number or just start dealing the ntouched cards cards and stop whenever they want. You pull that card out of your wallet.

Either way adding some purely thought of routines to your repertoire makes impromptu moments much easier to handle.

Sean Waters has breathed new life into Kenton Kneppers KENT. Adding two twists, the principles of both you might be familiar with, he has come up with a no cards card prediction that has so far for me proved infallible and played well.

I have found that doing K?NT with two people at once is even better. It is easy to play the questions off the same way you might in a tossed out deck routine.

Having two people involved strengthens the effect at every phase.

Message: Posted by: DT3 (Feb 26, 2008 06:06PM)
Oyama (and anyone else interested in this topic)

I think you should check out Mr Water's "Ponderings" as well.

(Sorry Sean, I know you hate it when I call you "Mr." but it truly is just a matter of respect)

Sean is probably too nice and humble to point this out so allow me: I feel you will get effects from Ponderings that are even BETTER than the situation you are looking for. And you will get MUCH more to work with as well.

Mostly, you will find that you have been placed on a launching pad that will slingshot your own innate creativity to places you probably have not thought of before.

I know this post may read as hyperbolic, but you will see that it's not by reading thoughts of others by typing "Ponderings" in the search box.

I have never met Sean face to face, but his creative voice is so welcoming that I feel as if I have known him for years.

As you can tell, I really like this book. Don't take my word for it, ask around. I am sure you will find that others will have the same level of appreciation for this work.

And talk about hands off, you don't even have to have a physical deck at hand. You can just tell them which card they are thinking of.

Message: Posted by: Mick Ayres (Feb 26, 2008 06:20PM)
I have two that have served me well: "Out on a Limb" and "Reality Phone Experience".

Message: Posted by: DT3 (Feb 26, 2008 06:26PM)
On 2008-02-26 19:20, Mick Ayres wrote:
I have two that have served me well: "Out on a Limb" and "Reality Phone Experience".


Here here!

Both are excellent, as is anything else of Mick's.

Again, ask around and you will find that you can do no better.

(Mick, I was trying to keep RPE a secret! Guess that's greedy of me...oh well)
Message: Posted by: Jim-Callahan (Feb 26, 2008 06:32PM)
There is Fantasy Phone from Leap of Faith.

A mirical that started a entire new form of 'Phone effects'.

J ack Galloway wrote it.
(Good guy, likes gin, redheads and real rock&roll.)

I hear it may be available in hard copy soon.


Message: Posted by: M. H. Goodman (Feb 26, 2008 06:32PM)
As Sean has already pointed out, [i]K.E.N.T.[/i] by John Mahood fulfils your criteria. In this effect, a spectator removes five random cards from a deck and thinks of any one of them, and the mentalist then divines the value of the selected card (without, I should add, knowing which five cards the spectator had removed). The effect can be performed impromptu, the spectator can use their own deck of cards, and you never need touch the deck.

Bob Farmer also has an effect, based on his [i]Tsunami[/i], in which not only the value but also the suit of the chosen card is revealed. He posted the method on the net a few years ago - it's free, gratis and for nothing if you can find it.

I’d also recommend Sean Waters’ excellent variation on [i]K.E.N.T.[/i] in his ebook [i]Ponderings[/i]. In his handling, you don't even need to use a deck of cards; the entire selection process is carried out in the spectator's mind. You will, however, need to already know either [i]K.E.N.T.[/i] or Bob Farmer's effect to use this variation.
Message: Posted by: DT3 (Feb 26, 2008 06:37PM)
By the way, Reality Phone Experience by Mick is found in his book "Predictabilities" which is a full mentalism act sold for not near enough money (sorry Mick, but you know it's true).

For this and other works of his that will fit the Oyama criteria, swing on by http://www.cardworker.com

Message: Posted by: Nathan Pain (Feb 26, 2008 06:58PM)
How about the 21 card trick?

Message: Posted by: Slim King (Feb 26, 2008 07:07PM)
There is a cool CAAN effect using 27 cards over the phone or impromptu in person :) (No slights since I can't do any)
Message: Posted by: Terry Holley (Feb 26, 2008 07:20PM)
RE: Tsunami and K.E.N.T., you might want to check out this thread and others where Bob Farmer responds:


Message: Posted by: Waters (Feb 26, 2008 08:24PM)
Check out the works of Lewis Jones. He has a ton of great ideas. HASTERIX is a great routine, but is a bit different than the parameters you discussed. It is one of my favorites (but cards are not really necessary).

I have heard great things about Mick's work as well.

Thanks for the kind comments (regarding k?nt), gentlemen.

Message: Posted by: Slim King (Feb 26, 2008 08:26PM)
Real Mind Reading has a great Card effect with no cards needed :)
Message: Posted by: Greg Arce (Feb 26, 2008 08:26PM)
There are a few in Aronson's books that are amazing.

Message: Posted by: robwar0100 (Feb 26, 2008 08:45PM)
I enjoy Ted Lesley's Spectator as Mentalist. The spectator shuffles the cards, asks the performer to think of a card. Once a card is thought of, the spectator ribbon spreads the cards and slides one out. The performer names his card, and when the spectator turns it over, it is a match. No magnets are used. (I just had to say that. Don't know why, but I did.)

Message: Posted by: Oyama (Feb 26, 2008 09:14PM)
WOW! Thanks everyone. I need to buy Mick's material. I will investigate everyones choices. Thanks again.
Message: Posted by: Oyama (Feb 26, 2008 09:16PM)
Robwar0100- Is that effect your are talking about Impromptu?
Message: Posted by: robwar0100 (Feb 26, 2008 09:40PM)

Yes, it is impromptu. Absolutely no force. No stooge. No pre-show work.

Simple and strong.

Message: Posted by: Slim King (Feb 26, 2008 09:43PM)
Which of Ted's books contains it?
Message: Posted by: robwar0100 (Feb 26, 2008 10:01PM)

The name of the book tips the method. I e-mailed you at your hotmail account.

Message: Posted by: Oyama (Feb 27, 2008 01:08AM)
Robwar0100- That sounds awesome. How can I purchase this effect?
Message: Posted by: LLL (Feb 27, 2008 02:37AM)
I use a version of canasta's cards to pocket; The spectator takes the deck, cuts several times eventually deciding to stop and put two cards in their pocket, One in each, put the deck away, cards are named and decided in which pocket each card is in. I never touch the Cards.

Message: Posted by: Mick Ayres (Feb 27, 2008 04:56PM)
I second Sean Water's comment about Lewis Jones. I am a huge fan and perform Lewis's material often.

Oyama, for the record, my 'Reality Phone Experience' was directly inspired by Jim Callahan's 'Fantasy Phone Experiment' which can be found within the pages of his LEAP OF FAITH manuscript. Jim's material can be found easily via his website: http://www.jimclass.com.

As for my own works, I do not yet have a website specifically dedicated to my books. However, HOODWINKINGS and PREDICT-ABILITIES are available by logging onto Paypal and applying the monies ($20 each) to my account: mick@cardworker.com. Once Paypal notifies me of the transaction, I'll send the manuscripts for you to download immediately.

Hope this background info helps, Oyama.

Break a leg,
Message: Posted by: lane99 (Feb 27, 2008 05:05PM)
I'm sure there's a lot of good suggestions already.

But let me add Derren Brown's "Invisible Deal" (from The Devil's Picturebook).

Completely impromptu. In fact, you don't even need real cards. Your participant simply "imagines" the cards.
Message: Posted by: robwar0100 (Feb 27, 2008 11:01PM)

I sent you a PM about the Ted Lesley effect.

Message: Posted by: Bob Farmer (Mar 18, 2008 03:11PM)
Send me an email and I'll send you the lowdown on K.E.N.T. -- it's a very lame ripoff of one of the tricks in my "Tsunami" manuscript (now out-of-print).

Perhaps the best trick you can do along the lines you're looking for is Jim Steinmeyer's "Nine Card Problem" in his book Impuzzibilities. See:


There is a similar effect in Abbott's Anthology of Card Magic, Vol. 3., edited by Gordon Miller. See Jack Yates' "Miracle Mix-Up" (pp. 58-59). You can buy this book for a few bucks from Abbott's.