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Topic: Gambling book research
Message: Posted by: JasonEngland (Mar 3, 2008 04:12PM)
I know some of you here are pretty good at digging up old information.

Can anyone help me locate some information on a book by William Rouse, Esq. of London?

He wrote a book called [i][b]Doctrine of Chances[/i][/b] that was published in 1814.

Don't be misled by a similarly titled book by Abraham de Moivre, that book was published in the 1700s and although it appears to cover the same subject matter, is a different book.

I'd also like any biographical information on Rouse that anyone can dig up. I know he wrote at least one other book called [i][b]Remarks on the Comparative Value of Freehold and Copyhold Land[/i][/b]. (Sounds riveting, I know.)

Anyone out there really good at tracking down this type of information?

Jason

PS: I know Rouse was from "Haskerton, near Woodbridge, in Suffolk" if that helps anyone. The Esq. appended to his name may or may not indicate he was a lawyer. It was often used in the UK to simply mean a "gentleman."
Message: Posted by: h2o (Mar 3, 2008 04:44PM)
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Anyone out there really good at tracking down this type of information?
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My vote goes for Tommy, the Internet digging wizard :)

For this kind of old gambling(?) book, I would maybe only suggest to contact David G Schwartz, who is the director of the Center for Gaming Research at the University of Nevada. He's being recognized as the "gaming's leading historian".
Message: Posted by: silverking (Mar 3, 2008 04:58PM)
Jason, I sent you an email with a .pdf attachment.
Message: Posted by: Andrei (Mar 3, 2008 07:16PM)
Moivre's book is, by the way, awesome also.
Message: Posted by: Stepanov (Mar 4, 2008 08:31AM)
I do not know is it still interesting, but here link to NYPL and asked book.

[url=http://catnyp.nypl.org/search?/XDoctrine+of+Chances+&searchscope=1&SORT=R/XDoctrine+of+Chances+&searchscope=1&SORT=R&SUBKEY=Doctrine%20of%20Chances%20/1%2C36%2C36%2CB/frameset&FF=XDoctrine+of+Chances+&searchscope=1&SORT=R&4%2C4%2C]catnyp.nypl.org[/url]

Interesting how peoples get title of "Internet digging wizard"? I will be interesting to compete. :)))
Message: Posted by: IanKendall (Mar 4, 2008 10:41AM)
Here are the three books he published:

[url=http://main-cat.nls.uk/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?Search%5FArg=Rouse&Search%5FCode=NAME%5F&CNT=50&PID=kaHXp5REwIB8bJY5tyShnS1fc&BROWSE=6&HC=3&SID=4]main-cat.nls.uk[/url]

I'm assuming you have the book?

Take care, Ian
Message: Posted by: iamslow (Mar 4, 2008 01:03PM)
How do you guys even know of these books existence? is there a Bibliography of old gambling books??
Message: Posted by: Unknown419 (Mar 4, 2008 01:28PM)
Iamslow, I definitely have to agree with you on this. This is why I come to the magicians for my help.

You know Iamslow I think that I'm a professional slacker as well now that I think about it.


Respectfully,

Doc
Message: Posted by: tommy (Mar 4, 2008 02:08PM)
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On 2008-03-04 14:03, iamslow wrote:
How do you guys even know of these books existence? is there a Bibliography of old gambling books??
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Yes! Try this but its a PDF and takes a few minutes to download.

https://dspace.ucalgary.ca/bitstream/1880/538/1/ag8.pdf
Message: Posted by: Jeremy Brown (Mar 4, 2008 02:36PM)
Thankyou Tommy! Much appreciated.
Message: Posted by: h2o (Mar 4, 2008 02:38PM)
[quote]
On 2008-03-04 09:31, Stepanov wrote:

Interesting how peoples get title of "Internet digging wizard"? I will be interesting to compete. :)))
[/quote]

Stepanov 0 Tommy 1

LOL
Message: Posted by: Stepanov (Mar 4, 2008 03:00PM)
:)))) But competition did not begin... I am protesting to jury. :)))
I know about https://dspace.ucalgary.ca . Nice place... But find it not difficult. Probabbly digging is something more deep then just search on lists.

Who want try they powers?
Message: Posted by: JasonEngland (Mar 4, 2008 03:11PM)
Ian,

Thank you. The book is in my possession though it doesn't belong to me. The owner asked me to see what I could track down on it. I've located 4 other copies in libraries/special collections, but have come up short on biographical information on the author.

Jason
Message: Posted by: Stepanov (Mar 4, 2008 05:04PM)
"Remarks on the Comparative Value of Freehold and Copyhold Land" not a big book. It possible find like addition to The Pamphleteer (1815) and can be found on Internet. Need source? For me was not easy find information about author, but...

I find on The Insurance Cyclopáedia: Being a Dictionary of the Definition of Terms 1871:

In 1814 Mr. Wm. Rouse pub. The Doctrine of Chances; or, the Theory of Gaming;
and a few years later [prob, about 1820] he pub., The Doctrine of Chances; or, the Theory of Gaming made easy to every person acquainted with common Arithmetic : so as to enable them to calculate the prob, of events in Lotteries, Cards, Horse-racing, Dice, etc.; with Tables on Chance never before pub., which from mere inspection will solve a great variety of questions.
As we cannot fix the precise date of the pub. of the last-named work, which is
evidently only an enlargement of the former one, we shall review its contents at this point. The uses ..............

Interesting?

I find on "The Gentleman's Magazine" 1815 3 pages of review. Lot quotes from book. Interesting?

Unfortunately, I suppose on both last books there are no more information like taken from book...
Message: Posted by: donrodrigo (Mar 21, 2008 02:40AM)
Jason I've already mentioned it before here in forum. Look up Frank Garcia on how to detect crooked gambling it's a must,in my opinion a good book.
Message: Posted by: JasonEngland (Mar 21, 2008 06:15PM)
Don,

I'm very familiar with Garcia's [i][b]How To Detect Crooked Gambling[/i][/b] aka [i][b]Marked Cards and Loaded Dice[/i][/b].

Since you may not have read the entire thing, be advised that this is a thread about another, very specific gambling book. It is not a thread on gambling books in general.

Jason
Message: Posted by: DStachowiak (Mar 21, 2008 08:39PM)
Jason,
Have you contacted Bill Palmer? He's pretty knowledgeable on the subject of older books, although his expertise is more related to Magic.
Don
Message: Posted by: donrodrigo (Mar 22, 2008 02:17PM)
Jason do you like Garcia's methods?? I find his work excellent as many of the past timers.
Message: Posted by: tommy (Mar 22, 2008 07:42PM)
Squire. ... Landowner. Esq. Son of landowner. However it’s common for any bachelor to use Esq. Bit like Junior in USA. As far as I am aware it has nothing to with being a lawyer. Perhaps back then it was a formal thing.
Message: Posted by: JasonEngland (Mar 23, 2008 05:39AM)
Tommy,

In the U.S., Esquire is almost exclusively used by licensed attorneys. But since I knew Rouse was British, and since his book was published so long ago, I wanted to make sure anyone searching for him didn't automatically assume he was an attorney.

My guess is that he probably wasn't, but you never know.

Jason
Message: Posted by: tommy (Mar 23, 2008 10:00AM)
William Rouse wrote another book; “Investigation of the errors of all writers on Annuities, 1816.

Possibly, the greatest advance in Britain since Richard Witt’s Arithmeticall Questions (1613) came with the publication of William Rouse’s book in 1816. This was entitled:

“An investigation of the errors of all writers on annuities, in their valuation of half-yearly and quarterly payments, including those of Sir Isaac Newton, Demoivre, Dr. Price, Mr. Morgan, Dr. Hutton, &c. &c. With tables showing the correct values when payments are made in less periods than yearly, and a specimen of a set of tables on a new principle (now in the press) for the valuation of leases, estates, annuities, church livings or any income whatever.”

RE compound interest: Sir Isaac Newton’s Tables. Rouse (1816) infers that these tables were most unlikely to have been compiled by Newton due to a number of mathematical inconsistencies.


The insurance business and stock maket and banking is as gambling.
Message: Posted by: JasonEngland (Mar 23, 2008 04:23PM)
Just a day or so ago, [i][b]The Doctrine of Chances[/i][/b] was on eBay. It was missing its cover, but otherwise in okay shape for a book that's almost 200 years old.

Jason
Message: Posted by: tommy (Mar 24, 2008 06:59AM)
A Rouse family motto:

'Those who have helped us to get money shall help us enjoy it'.
Message: Posted by: C-Taylor (Mar 24, 2008 10:15AM)
Ya...How many live by that today?
Message: Posted by: card cheat (Mar 24, 2008 11:00AM)
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On 2008-03-24 07:59, tommy wrote:
A Rouse family motto:

'Those who have helped us to get money shall help us enjoy it'.
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The ones who "help" me get money never see it again...

CC
Message: Posted by: tommy (Mar 24, 2008 02:32PM)
Those who I have helped to get money shall cough up my share or they shall not be seen again. :)