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Topic: Who has the best Routine with the Invisible Deck!
Message: Posted by: RandyM (Mar 10, 2003 09:33PM)
I'm looking for a nice routine with the invisible deck. Was thinking about getting Bill Malone's Vol3 on the loose as I understand he has a good routine. Curious if there are any others I might wanna look at.
Message: Posted by: KC (Mar 10, 2003 10:02PM)
I recall Cody S. Fisher having a nice handling. I don't remember the routine, but I recall it being good.

The Bill Malone DVD's should be in every performer's collection just for the performances. If you do plan to go with purchasing the Malone DVD #3, realize that you should get the rest of the series. Although, IMHO, the Malone DVD's would've been better had it been a 3 DVD set instead of 4, but they're still great to have.

KC
Message: Posted by: Mitch (Mar 10, 2003 10:02PM)
The standard routine has killed for years and I would argue is still the best. I know it gets "boring" for magicians seeing the same routine over and over but the fact is it is simply that strong.

Mitch
Message: Posted by: miracle (Mar 10, 2003 10:10PM)
How about the DVD that's specifically for Invisible Deck, worth to buy it or not ?
Message: Posted by: bekralik (Mar 10, 2003 10:36PM)
Unless you feel you really need to see the effect being performed, you can save a lot of money and just pick up the small booklet about the Invisible Deck (Invisible Secrets Revealed, I think it's called?). Same routines as on the video. Probably more, actually.

Cody Fisher's Total Invisibility routine. He booklet is interesting, but his routine is for a stand-up presentation. He has another one called The Killer Card Trick that is for close-up, which I have not seen:

The magician removes a deck of cards from the box and shuffles them thoroughly. The cards are really shuffled!

The fronts and backs of all the cards are shown fairly. The magician spreads through the deck and has anyone merely THINK of ANY card.

The deck is taken behind the magicians back for only a second. When the deck is brought back into sight the magician makes three claims:

While the deck was behind his back he was able to (1) locate the mentally selected card, (2) reverse it in the deck and (3) place it back into the shuffled deck right next to itís mate!

You spread through the deck, one card is face down...it is the mentally selected card...and it is next to itís mate!
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Mar 11, 2003 12:05AM)
One of the best presentations is Alain Nu's Invisibility Watch in the one man issue of Labyrinth magazine. It won't be easy to find but is worth the hunt.

Tim Trono
Message: Posted by: PaulGreen (Mar 11, 2003 12:22AM)
I have a particularly strong presntation that uses the Invisible Deck but not the Invisible Deck presentation. It is called I Knew It All the Time. It appears on my Classic Force Videotape (available through your local dealer, MagicSmith.com, or directly from me).

It has served me well and consistently receives "Standing 'O's" at the Magic Castle.

Keep looking.

Regards,

Paul Green
Message: Posted by: Gary (Mar 11, 2003 01:07AM)
I have Cody Fisher's three routines on invisibility which sells for about $15.00. Very strong material here and it includes instructions on making a custom built deck that allows the performer to show both sides.

The Killer Card Trick (I received this a few days ago)is equally strong ($25)and the effect is true to the advertisement outlined above by Bekralik. Importantly, the routine can be adapted by the performer and you can look at other ways of maximizing the spectator impact.

Worth considering if you use the standard Invisible Deck and want to add a few further impossible twists to the card revelation.
Message: Posted by: RC4MAG (Mar 11, 2003 01:17AM)
There was a clever routine in an out of print Mickey Hades publication "Sex and the single magician".
You approach a girl and in an experiment you are conducting on compatibility between a man and a woman, you wish to attempt to see if the two of you would by chance be compatible in any way. You tell her you have reversed a card in the deck and ask her what card comes to her mind...etc.... You can figure out the rest.

Another clever routine using a Brainwave deck was just published in the latest Learned Pig Vol. 2 Number 8 dated March 8, 2003. The routine is called Magic vs, Mentalism by Marko.
Message: Posted by: nalu_magic (Mar 11, 2003 01:57AM)
I'd have to say that Bill Malone's Standing Ovation Invisible Deck is a great closer. Nobody beats his the way he involves audience members and makes them perform the magic. His humor and wit make his routine unforgetable. Definitely the best that I've seen.
Message: Posted by: RC4MAG (Mar 11, 2003 01:22PM)
You might like to check out Doug Edward's clever and simplified handling of an invisible deck in his book "Packs A Wallop"
Message: Posted by: kuffs (Mar 11, 2003 01:51PM)
Steve Bedwell has a very interestings ideas for presenting the I.D...sorry i don't remember the exact name of the routine right now...

But it is in is video call " Steve Bedwell M.D required "...It's very commercial and logical...Very clever

Humbly...

Kuffs
Message: Posted by: hkwiles (Mar 11, 2003 01:53PM)
I just bought an invisible deck on Saturday but not had a chance to really try it out.
I've an idea though, using the SUC I bought at Christmas.

1. Get spector to take one of your business cards.
2. Take out ID and place in case ,on table.
3. Ask spect to write down the name of their favorite card on the back of the Business card.
4.Place back in SUC and Peek card name, placing wallet next to ID.
5. Tell them that prior to coming to the venue you took out a card and reversed it in the Deck.
6.Proceed to take deck out, fan and separate at chosen card and place deck, faces up, on table.
7. Remove Business card from wallet and place next to fanned out deck.
8. Ask spec to slide out the reversed card and turn it face up.Then turn over business card to reveal both same.

Any good ?

Howard :hmm: :hmm:
Message: Posted by: marko (Mar 11, 2003 02:08PM)
Wow guys, I have been a long time Invisible Deck user but a few days ago I made a Brainwave Deck and was astonished at how better an effect it was, and what an even more amazed reaction I got. I always thought the Brainwave Deck's extra kicker was overkil and attracted unwanted attention to the rest of the cards, but I was wrong. Very wrong. I'm switching to the Brainwave Deck now.
Message: Posted by: Cup and Ball (Mar 11, 2003 02:24PM)
I like the Brainwave too, but what do you do/say when a red backed deck comes out of a blue card case. I'm sure there is something "cute" to say, but I still think it draws too much attention. Thoughts?
:bikes: :bluebikes:
Message: Posted by: RayBanks (Mar 11, 2003 02:32PM)
I've seen Cody Fisher's stuff and it is quite good.

Can't believe no one gave his website, so I will

http://www.fishermagic.com//index2.htm

:thehat:
Message: Posted by: Platt (Mar 11, 2003 02:47PM)
Why complicate matters with a big routine? If there's one objective fact in magic, it's that simpler is better. What could be more simple and direct than:' "Hey, name any card in the deck.? Interesting. One card is flipped over...take it out."

Please show me a more direct handling than that. For a big performance, the classic turn over the invisible card and put it back in the deck thing is nice. But for a quick one-on-one mindblower, make it simple and direct. Why? Because you can.
Message: Posted by: cgscpa (Mar 11, 2003 05:30PM)
[quote]
On 2003-03-11 14:51, kuffs wrote:
Steve Bedwell has a very interestings ideas for presenting the I.D...sorry i don't remember the excat name of the routine right now...

But it is in is video call " Steve Bedwell M.D required "...It's very commercial and logical...Very clever
[/quote]

The routine is called "Shake, Shuffle & Twist" and it is a very clever effect using an invisible deck.
Message: Posted by: dpe666 (Mar 11, 2003 06:21PM)
I agree. The Bedwell Routine is the best I have seen. :devilish:
Message: Posted by: iSawThat (Mar 11, 2003 06:57PM)
[quote]
On 2003-03-11 15:47, Platt wrote:
Why complicate matters with a big routine? If there's one objective fact in magic, it's that simpler is better. What could be more simple and direct than:' "Hey, name any card in the deck.? Interesting. One card is flipped over...take it out."

Please show me a more direct handling than that. For a big performance, the classic turn over the invisible card and put it back in the deck thing is nice. But for a quick one-on-one mindblower, make it simple and direct. Why? Because you can.
[/quote]

I don't quite agree. I think a direct, pure effect way of presenting the ID can be powerful, but will certainly not be very entertaining, and will just leave the audience feeling stupid. I think the way Bill Malone and others have done it, involving spectators in the magic and making them feel like they are the ones that caused the magic to happen is important to making the effect more memorable and enjoyable. Why? Because you can.
Message: Posted by: S.Segal (Mar 11, 2003 08:38PM)
A really good routine can be found on the Desert Brainstorm Series. It was Christopher Caldwell's but at the moment I don't recall the name or which tape it was on.
Message: Posted by: marko (Mar 11, 2003 10:52PM)
[quote]
On 2003-03-11 15:24, Cup and Ball wrote:
I like the Brainwave too, but what do you do/say when a red backed deck comes out of a blue card case. I'm sure there is something "cute" to say, but I still think it draws too much attention. Thoughts?
:bikes: :bluebikes:
[/quote]

This is the kind of thing I worried about too. Then I opened my eyes. Unless you show the side of the box with the design on it, no one, NO ONE, will ever question it. The box is long gone before they are even aware of the different colored back thing. Trust me. I feel silly now for even having worried about such a minute discrepency.
Message: Posted by: Necromancer (Mar 12, 2003 10:16AM)
Christopher Caldwell's routine is based on Automanticard from Waters' Mind, Myth and Magick. They're both excellent.

As for Howard's idea of using a peek case such as the SUC: I personally wouldn't do it, as psychologically it seems too obvious that you can somehow see the writing while it's in the case (otherwise, why would you have somebody write down this information?). Besides, one of the ID's greatest strengths is that it's used to predict a card that is only thought of. Just my opinion.
Message: Posted by: KC (Mar 12, 2003 11:31AM)
Here's something I saw a pool player do on TV during a trick shot tournament. He brought out 2 decks of cards from his pocket. He covered the pool table with 1 of the decks and laid the cards face up. He then had a spectator hit a cue ball around the table. And whatever card was closest to the cue ball after it stopped rolling would be the freely selected card that was turned upside down in the 2nd deck.
Message: Posted by: scottlurowist (Mar 12, 2003 12:51PM)
Have you seen Jay Sankey's handling on his Secret File's 2 DVD ?

It's the subtle extra thing that he does that subconsciously makes the effect all the more powerful.

I've used Jay's handling... and it really does take it to another level.

I think Jay's handling is well thought out, and gives motivation for switching out decks.
He also says on the DVD that he wanted to fool the people who think "well, he just flipped a card over real quick."

Scott Lurowist

Now that I think of it... Jay's handling makes the ID more like the BW deck. So you get the easier handling of the ID with more of the extra kickiness of the BW deck.

Scott Lurowist
Message: Posted by: zeroG (Mar 12, 2003 01:04PM)
My vote goes to Christopher Caldwell on Desert Brainstorm as well.
It has all the makings for a fantastic effect: audience participation (a spectator predicts the card turned over in the deck), great misdirection, and it is very visual (believe it or not!)
Any effect that involves the spectators and makes them perform all the magic is a winner in my eyes!
Message: Posted by: cegarcia (Mar 12, 2003 01:13PM)
Why not create your own routinue utilizing your style,your persona, your imagination. It's such a great trick ther are infinite ways it could be presented. My own at dinner parties is a metalism/comedy routine that's about ten minutes, Guests love it.
Message: Posted by: marko (Mar 12, 2003 01:49PM)
Actually, the handling for the BW deck is much easier than the ID. No odd/even stuff to remember. It's a piece of cake.
Message: Posted by: cgscpa (Mar 12, 2003 09:56PM)
I've posted this idea before, but I would like to repeat it. One of the best effects with an ID was done by my daughter. My daughter (5 at the time, who had seen me do the ID countless times) was mimmicking me by having my sister-in-law "pretend" to take a card from a "pretend" deck and turn it over. She then made the pretend deck "disappear" and told her it was in my pocket. Fortunately, I was able to see what was going but acted as if I was not paying attention. My daughter got my attention and told me to show my sister-in-law the cards in my pocket which I did and the look on her face when one card was turned over was priceless.

All the heat was off the deck and on my daughter. My sister in law still talks about it. :)
Message: Posted by: joogy (Mar 13, 2003 04:48AM)
I'm a bit confused here-nothing new there!!
I have the Invisible Deck but I was amazed to read some reviews in here where people have said that they actually spread the deck on the table face up!
Isn't this impossible? I find that you can only spread the cards out from hand to hand.
Am I doing something wrong here then?
Joogy
Message: Posted by: zeroG (Mar 13, 2003 08:50AM)
Hey Joogy,
Far from impossible. Keep playing with it. You'll be able to do fans and ribbon spreads with very little practice!
Message: Posted by: DoctorAmazo (Mar 13, 2003 12:47PM)
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On 2003-03-11 15:24, Cup and Ball wrote:
...what do you do/say when a red backed deck comes out of a blue card case. [/quote]

With two card cases, some glue, and a little imagination, you can have a two-toned case that matches whatever "deck" you pull out of it. (But don't let them see the other side.)
Message: Posted by: marko (Mar 13, 2003 01:07PM)
In response to DoctorAmazo's comment, allow me to take a quote from Whit Haydn's "Chicago Suprise" booklet concerning his presentation of the BW deck:

"Some magicians worry about the discrepancy of pulling a red-backed deck out of a blue box, or vice-versa. This will happen about half the time. There even used to be a specially printed card box, blue on one side and red on the other that magicians could use with the deck - pulling the box out of the pocket with the correct side showing.
This takes away from the effect produced when the deck is in full view as the chosen card is named. Not only that, but it is a waste of time and energy, since never once in thirty years have I had a comment from a lay spectator about the color of the card box."

He goes on to explain how this discrepency can turn out to be an advantage.
Message: Posted by: AmazingKeithy (Mar 17, 2003 07:52AM)
Maybe the title of this thread should have been "Who has the best THREE routines with the ID?!" My vote goes to Cody Fisher, hands down. I have had the pleasure of watching Cody perform all three of his innovative ID routines from his "Secrets Of Invisibility" booklet and have performed "Invisibility" (stand-up) myself. This routine elevates the ID to new heights, as its plot and impact are so much more than the standard ID routine. Engaging, entertaining, and workable stand-up card effects are few and far between; so, I am always thrilled with such a find. But, hey, don't take my word for it:

"Your presentation & handling for the Invisible Deck is the most clever and commercial I have ever seen." --Johnny Thompson

"Your version of the Invisible Deck is absolutely PHENOMENAL!" --Marc DeSouza

Whether your ID has been gathering dust in your magic chest drawer, or you perform the ID regularly, enjoy the powerful reactions it elicits, and are looking for a fresh approach - this stuff is worthy of your time and modest investment.

Check it out for yourself at:

http://codyfisher.com/home.htm

Best Wishes,
Keith Mitchell
Message: Posted by: truthteller (Apr 22, 2003 05:28PM)
For a different review of Cody's book check out:

http://www.mylovelyassistant.com/index.php?module=MlaReviews&func=display&rid=266

It received half a star, with many revealing comments.