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Topic: Manipulation bills
Message: Posted by: davidmagic (Mar 11, 2008 10:28AM)
Has anyone used and what is your review fo the manipulation bills now offered? Are they as easy as card to fan and back clip? Thanks.
Message: Posted by: Big Daddy Cool (Mar 12, 2008 10:41AM)
I am currently using them in my Mack The Knife routine. They are not on card stock and you will have to work with them to use them like cards.
Message: Posted by: solareflipz (Jun 16, 2008 11:19AM)
Do these feel like real money? Also, can anyone recommend some sources for bill manipulation? From the looks of some videos, the methods are similar to card manipulation but I'm sure that because the bills are obviously longer than cards, some handling would have to be modified and new methods would have to be used for bills. Any help is appreciated. Thanks.
Message: Posted by: Dynamike (Jun 16, 2008 11:35AM)
I ordered mine last week. I will receive them any time now. I will post my recommendations when they get here.
Message: Posted by: Lou Hilario (Jun 16, 2008 05:53PM)
Where did you get your "manipulation bills" from?
Message: Posted by: Dynamike (Jun 16, 2008 06:28PM)
I ordered mine from Hank Lee.
Message: Posted by: wcmagician (Jun 16, 2008 09:17PM)
Yes I have been wondering about these myself...I would love to hear a review sometime as well.
Will
Message: Posted by: Dynamike (Jun 17, 2008 12:03PM)
Just got mine in today. When you make the order purchase fanning powder too. Because the bills are kinda sticky. I am going to try baby powder first to see how that works.

Dealing with the size from 1 - 10, I'll give it a 10. Because regular bills are easy to notice when back palmed because of the length. The larger Manipulation Bills are cut the perfect size to hide behind the hand. The smaller Manipulation Bills are a little bigger than a playing card.

Dealing with the front from 1 - 10, I'll give it a 9. The coloring looks right. The words look right. But the photo has a different person other than George Washington. But no one may notice it performing it fast and smooth on stage.

Dealing with the back from 1 - 10, I'll give it a 9. The layout is great, but the coloring is not green like real bills. The coloring matches the front.

Dealing with the texture and thickness, presently I'll give it a 10. I just got mine so I do not know how long it last yet. But the paper is thicker than average paper, less thicker than a playing card. The texture is smooth, making the spread easy.
Message: Posted by: Lou Hilario (Jun 17, 2008 05:48PM)
Dynamike, how many pieces does the set contain?
Message: Posted by: Dynamike (Jun 17, 2008 06:11PM)
108. 54 small and 54 large.
Message: Posted by: Lou Hilario (Jun 17, 2008 06:24PM)
That's a good enough number. It would be great if there was an instructional DVD with it. I wonder if such a dvd exists. But I guess the card manipulation dvds existing would suffice.
Message: Posted by: wcmagician (Jun 17, 2008 07:43PM)
Are the ones you ordered at Hank Lee's the same as Hocus-Pocus' Bills? Thanks
Will
Message: Posted by: wcmagician (Jun 17, 2008 07:48PM)
They're the ones by John Blake..right??
Message: Posted by: Dynamike (Jun 17, 2008 10:05PM)
Right, John Blake's. I just noticed it reads it comes with fanning powder at the end of the paragraph. That was not true with my order. When you order it, ask if it comes with fanning powder. http://www.hanklee.org/xcart/product.php?productid=9192&cat=0&page=6
Message: Posted by: Dynamike (Jun 18, 2008 09:48AM)
The baby powder does work for me. It helps me spread them out envenly. When the powder is on the cards bend them different directions as Levent and McBride decribes. It helps the cards from being too stiff while palming.
Message: Posted by: solareflipz (Jun 18, 2008 10:23AM)
Would these bills be good for the Osaka Bills routine?
Message: Posted by: Dynamike (Jun 18, 2008 10:52AM)
Good question. I was a little nervous in folding one to try. But I gave it a try. Because of the thinknes I advise not good for the Osaka rountine. They can wear out fast. I suggest using cheap fake money for the Osaka rountine.
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Jun 19, 2008 03:45PM)
Manipulation Bill routine can be found in a out of print book called "The Magic of Facett Ross" published by Supreme Magic.

There is a complete bill act in Bruce Elliot book, it is an old book and has been reprinted many times. I have on of the pocket books. I cannot think of the name of the book, but Harry Murphy constantly tells everyone to pick up a copy for all the great magic in it.
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (Jun 19, 2008 04:51PM)
Fred Kaps had his own manip bills printed. The size and texture was just right by doing them himself.
Message: Posted by: Dynamike (Jun 19, 2008 05:21PM)
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On 2008-06-19 16:45, wmhegbli wrote:
There is a complete bill act in Bruce Elliot book, it is an old book and has been reprinted many times. I have on of the pocket books. I cannot think of the name of the book, but Harry Murphy constantly tells everyone to pick up a copy for all the great magic in it.
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I have it in hardbound. It is titled "Magic As A Hobby". It teaches the manipulation of Kolma. I love the rountine.
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On 2008-06-19 17:51, Pete Biro wrote:
Fred Kaps had his own manip bills printed. The size and texture was just right by doing them himself.
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I have his book titled "Fred Kaps' Currency". It shows his 11 card trick done with dollar bills.
Message: Posted by: Harry Murphy (Jun 19, 2008 07:15PM)
The Elliott book that I keep touting is the "Classic Secrets of Magic". Unfortunately it does not have a paper money routine in it! I do vaguely remember one of the older books having such an act. Now to remember who wrote it and then try to find it.
Message: Posted by: Dynamike (Jun 19, 2008 10:10PM)
There are two used ones left thru Amazon's sellers: http://www.amazon.com/Magic-as-Hobby-Bruce-Elliot/dp/B000K1SD26
Message: Posted by: Darkwing (Jun 19, 2008 10:47PM)
Guys,

The book in question that has the money manipulation routine by Bruce Elliot is called "Magic as a Hobby". I got the info from Jeff McBride. Don't let the name deceive you, it is a very good book on magic. I got my copy from H&R Books.
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (Jun 20, 2008 01:31AM)
Fred Kaps Currency is totally different than manipulation and used real bills.
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Jun 23, 2008 10:15AM)
Thanks Darkwing, I was not at home and could not remember the name of the book. It is "Magic as a Hobby" published in 1942, I was not born yet.

I am sure it must be in paperback, I will have to search for it.
Message: Posted by: BenSalinas (Jun 27, 2008 03:27PM)
For the Osaka Bills, I would use real crisp bills. From stage noone can tell if they're 1s or 100s. The bills are from my friend John Blake's East Coast Magic. http://www.blakeseastcoastmagic.com . The fan very nicely and you get a ton of them! BTW the picture on the bills is of John. Soon he will be laying face down on stages all over the world!