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Topic: Do/did you know Paul Spencer
Message: Posted by: C-Taylor (Apr 20, 2008 11:41AM)
His name was mentioned in PP. I googled it but nothing interesting came up. Does anyone have a reference or info on the guy?
Message: Posted by: iamslow (Apr 20, 2008 01:31PM)
Whats PP? :snail:
Message: Posted by: Hansen (Apr 20, 2008 04:01PM)
PayPal?
Message: Posted by: Mr. Z (Apr 20, 2008 04:03PM)
Spencer wrote the book Dice: Tops, Squares, and Shapes under the pen name of "Burton Williams."

Forte considers him one of the two best card and dice guys he's ever met. He's still around although he's getting very up in age, I believe he's in his 90s.

You can read a bit more about him in the back of Casino Game Protection.
Message: Posted by: silverking (Apr 20, 2008 04:23PM)
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On 2008-04-20 14:31, iamslow wrote:
Whats PP?
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Poker Protection?......Forte's "little" book.
Message: Posted by: h2o (Apr 20, 2008 05:19PM)
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On 2008-04-20 17:03, Mr. Z wrote:

Forte considers him one of the two best card and dice guys he's ever met.
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Who's the 2nd one?
Message: Posted by: Stepanov (Apr 20, 2008 05:38PM)
John Bertolaro

BTW, Another book: Craps Procedures Manual - Paul Spencer, 1984.
Message: Posted by: C-Taylor (Apr 20, 2008 08:16PM)
Ya "PP" is poker protection, PP is just more FUN. Z Thanks once again. I knew about the book but was just wondering if there was anything else.
Message: Posted by: Expertmagician (Apr 20, 2008 09:04PM)
"PP".....My 5 year old daughter usually uses that term too - But, she does not mean Poker Protection or PayPal :)
Message: Posted by: JasonEngland (Apr 20, 2008 10:14PM)
Stepanov,

Do you actually have the Resorts booklet prepared by Spencer or were you just referencing it from Forte's book? I'm curious because as far as I know there is only one copy in private hands.

Myself and a few others here have a pdf version of the book, but I was wondering if a hardcopy was floating around somewhere in Russia.

Jason
Message: Posted by: Mr. Z (Apr 21, 2008 05:50AM)
I think he was just being his usual silly self.

Considering he misspelled John B's last name just like it was in CGP I'd say there's your answer, Watson...
Message: Posted by: Stepanov (Apr 21, 2008 06:33AM)
[quote]Do you actually have the Resorts booklet prepared by Spencer or were you just referencing it from Forte's book? I'm curious because as far as I know there is only one copy in private hands.

Myself and a few others here have a pdf version of the book, but I was wondering if a hardcopy was floating around somewhere in Russia.[/quote]
Dear Mr. Jason.

This is just easy search. Book what named Mr. Z was from "Casino Game Protection" "CONTRIBUTORS" section, where name of mr. Paul Spencer on title of paragraph. This is easy find when you have book on your hands. But book what I find - inside of "Casino Game Protection" on Chapter 5 "CRAPS" - "CROOKED DICE" - "Flats". To find it you need little more time.

Unfortunately, craps (and any dice games) not much popular in Russia. So find somebody who interesting this book here not easy. On Asiatic part of my country popular games like backgammon, where used two dices, but hardly believe somebody so interested this book.
Message: Posted by: Stepanov (Apr 21, 2008 07:32AM)
Dear Mr. Z.

Would be you so kind help me? What means "his usual silly self"?
Message: Posted by: Mr. Z (Apr 21, 2008 02:28PM)
Oh, I mean the cartoonish Russian "accent" you're fond of using around here. Don't worry, I think it's great, tovarisch.
Message: Posted by: h2o (Apr 21, 2008 03:08PM)
Well, that makes me remember of some jokes:

What do you call one Russian?
A drunk.
What do you call two Russians?
A fight.
What do you call three Russians?
A Party cell



What do you call someone who knows 3 languages?
A genius.
What do you call someone who knows 2 languages?
Brilliant.
What do you call someone who knows 1 language?
An American.

lol
Message: Posted by: Stepanov (Apr 21, 2008 05:04PM)
[quote]On 2008-04-21 15:28, Mr. Z wrote:
Oh, I mean the cartoonish Russian "accent" you're fond of using around here. Don't worry, I think it's great, tovarisch.[/quote]
Ops. Apologize. I was fooled by word "silly"... I find only "silly face self"...
Message: Posted by: silverking (Apr 27, 2008 10:45AM)
This thread got a little off track, but the Spencer book is one of the few I've got that, upon reading through the book you realize that this guy really knew what he was talking about.

I thought Scarne on Dice was the dice bible until I read the Spencer book.

I initially bought it thinking it would have a lot more in it about physically making dice (which it doesn't) and realized quickly that the focus of the book was really more on living and playing craps in an era when games popped up almost everywhere folks gathered.

Definitely a different era, and reads like a novel you can't put down in places.

I'd enjoy reading more from Spencer. Does anyone know if he ever wrote more on dice under his own name, or his pen name?
Message: Posted by: ronfour (Apr 27, 2008 02:10PM)
Was he a cheater?
Message: Posted by: C-Taylor (Apr 27, 2008 02:59PM)
He was a Entrepreneur :)

Ronfour I saw your newest video. nice.
Message: Posted by: ronfour (Apr 27, 2008 04:22PM)
C-Taylor,

You are mistaken, I did not make a video.
Message: Posted by: Mr. Z (Apr 27, 2008 05:20PM)
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On 2008-04-27 11:45, silverking wrote:
I'd enjoy reading more from Spencer. Does anyone know if he ever wrote more on dice under his own name, or his pen name?
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Aside from the Craps manual he produced for Resorts International, he wrote a few articles here and there in a few publications. You can find the references in the Annotated Erdnase, which page and where I have no idea.