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Topic: New? Pouch Site
Message: Posted by: Dustin Baker (May 2, 2008 02:00AM)
Maybe you've seen it before, but have a look at Pock-its from NiteIze.

http://www.mypockits.com
Message: Posted by: TheAmbitiousCard (May 2, 2008 10:08AM)
As long as people don't see those things during your performance I think they can be fine. You don't want to look like you just got back from the Outdoors superstore.

People make jokes about pocket protectors and people wearing swiss army knives on their belts for a reason. The reasons might be unfounded. But they are still with us.
Message: Posted by: Dustin Baker (May 2, 2008 04:38PM)
Here's the one I liked:
http://www.mypockits.com/product_info.php?cPath=4&products_id=118

The original pock-its
http://www.mypockits.com/product_info.php?products_id=33
is an interesting holster as well. Frank suggested "as long as people don't see it. . . " that's true. These aren't "pretty" so they aren't meant to be seen, but fortunately the original pock-its is nearly flat.
Message: Posted by: kammagic (May 3, 2008 03:32AM)
Great find. Great site.
Message: Posted by: FunTimeAl (May 3, 2008 06:04AM)
I bought a little pouch from the hardware store that looks just like a really mini-gib...wore it for about 2 months.

Now it sits in my magic room...cuz it looks like a tool pouch, not a magician's pouch. What does a magi's pouch look like?

Well, I'll answer that by saying it doesn't look like a tool pouch, a camera bag, a cell phone holder, or a fanny pack (sorry Brits).

I've worn a few different modified bags before I bought some real pouches...all I can tell you is that the person who hires you for big bucks doesn't wanna see someone that looks like they put their costume together at Walmart!

These pouches are a great idea for the hobbiest, or for going over to a family dinner, or if you have a real job and just want your toys on your body, ready to amaze with at a moments notice.

But PLEASE leave that stuff at home and step up to products made for magi if you're going to a paid gig. Let's raise the bar here fellas...let's look the part ;)
Message: Posted by: Dustin Baker (May 3, 2008 06:26AM)
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On 2008-05-03 07:04, Chad wrote:
I bought a little pouch from the hardware store that looks just like a really mini-gib...wore it for about 2 months.

Now it sits in my magic room...cuz it looks like a tool pouch, not a magician's pouch. What does a magi's pouch look like?

Well, I'll answer that by saying it doesn't look like a tool pouch, a camera bag, a cell phone holder, or a fanny pack (sorry Brits).

I've worn a few different modified bags before I bought some real pouches...all I can tell you is that the person who hires you for big bucks doesn't wanna see someone that looks like they put their costume together at Walmart!

These pouches are a great idea for the hobbiest, or for going over to a family dinner, or if you have a real job and just want your toys on your body, ready to amaze with at a moments notice.

But PLEASE leave that stuff at home and step up to products made for magi if you're going to a paid gig. Let's raise the bar here fellas...let's look the part ;)
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Okay, I need to respond to that a bit.

[quote]Now it sits in my magic room...cuz it looks like a tool pouch, not a magician's pouch. What does a magi's pouch look like?

Well, I'll answer that by saying it doesn't look like a tool pouch, a camera bag, a cell phone holder, or a fanny pack (sorry Brits).[/quote]

To a spectator, they all look the same. Sorry to break it to you Chad, but spectators don't know the difference between a Pro Carrier and a cell phone holster, nor do they know the difference between a fanny pack and a busker's pouch.

[quote]I've worn a few different modified bags before I bought some real pouches...all I can tell you is that the person who hires you for big bucks doesn't wanna see someone that looks like they put their costume together at Walmart!

These pouches are a great idea for the hobbiest, or for going over to a family dinner, or if you have a real job and just want your toys on your body, ready to amaze with at a moments notice.

But PLEASE leave that stuff at home and step up to products made for magi if you're going to a paid gig. Let's raise the bar here fellas...let's look the part ;)[/quote]
Seen your avatar lately? - sorry, but you opened the door on that. I don't have a problem with teh classic busker look, but frankly it does look like you assembled the uniform at wal-mart (so did I, that's kinda' my point). The price you paid for an item doesn't determine its quality or its appearance. From a spectator's point of view, a busker's pouch looks like a nail bag.

This is indicative of a trend I've seen growing in the magic community. We've forgotten our humble beginnings where we took everyday objects and modified them for our own use. We've become spoiled, and ultimately have lost some of our creative roots. If it wasn't "made for magicians" - we don't want it, because it doesn't "look like a magician's pouch".

Let me pose a question. What would a spectator say if you asked them what a magician looks like?
"Top hat, tux, cape."
What would they say if you asked them what a "magician's pouch" looks like?
"Magician's have pouches? Hmm, I guess they need to carry stuff to?"

Look around Chad. Find someone who isn't wearing a cell-phone pouch on their hip - it doesn't count if it's in a purse.

I'll give you a personal example to close:
I walked into a restaurant magic interview in my typical outfit (jacket, slacks, and a T-shirt) with my day to day items holster on my hip. I bought the holster at Orchard Supply Hardware for $5. The restaurant owner asked to see a trick, so I took my cards out of the main pocket. He immediately commented that having a holster to hold the "tools of my trade" and keep them organized was a sign of professionalism. I got the job, but when I came in the first night (I don't usually use a holster when I'm working) he immediately asked where it was.

My point is, the uniform is whatever you allow your spectator's to percieve it to be. He saw an organized pouch holding my props, and in his mind, it became part of my uniform.
Message: Posted by: Paddy (May 3, 2008 01:27PM)
Dbaker, you may have stepped into this one. I know Chad and have seen him work the streets. He, seriously, is up there with Jimmy Talksalot and Bobby Maverick. The avatar mau not show it but he looks professional. Chad also can draw a tip when I couldn't get 1 person to stop (that may not be saying much.) His hat lines are great and he gets good hats. In short he does know of what he speaks.

I spent a couple hundred for my pouch from Frank Starsini's site http://www.theambitiouscard.com and it was well worth the investment. I use it all the time. Sure beats the crap out of a Home Depot tool belt.

Paddy
Message: Posted by: Dustin Baker (May 3, 2008 04:18PM)
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On 2008-05-03 14:27, Paddy wrote:
Dbaker, you may have stepped into this one. I know Chad and have seen him work the streets. He, seriously, is up there with Jimmy Talksalot and Bobby Maverick. The avatar mau not show it but he looks professional. Chad also can draw a tip when I couldn't get 1 person to stop (that may not be saying much.) His hat lines are great and he gets good hats. In short he does know of what he speaks.

I spent a couple hundred for my pouch from Frank Starsini's site http://www.theambitiouscard.com and it was well worth the investment. I use it all the time. Sure beats the crap out of a Home Depot tool belt.

Paddy
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That I may have Paddy, that I may have.
However, I would like to point something out. I made no attack on Chad himself. I pointed out the irony of his Wal-mart statement compared to his avatar, which I also stated specifically that I had no problem with and made note that when I busk I wear a similar outfit.
Message: Posted by: silverking (May 3, 2008 05:39PM)
Dbaker, your presumption that everybody is a hack and looking for the cheapest possible solution to their prop management issues is where you go off the tracks.

Chad's street cred is FAR higher than your own, and your recent posts reduce your own cred to a point where it's impossible to take anything you post seriously.
Message: Posted by: Dustin Baker (May 3, 2008 08:24PM)
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On 2008-05-03 18:39, silverking wrote:
Dbaker, your presumption that everybody is a hack and looking for the cheapest possible solution to their prop management issues is where you go off the tracks.

Chad's street cred is FAR higher than your own, and your recent posts reduce your own cred to a point where it's impossible to take anything you post seriously.
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Please show me where I said anything to that effect silverking.

It amazes me how you people keep refuting statements that I never made, and that you do it so very adamantly.
Message: Posted by: silverking (May 3, 2008 10:15PM)
"You People".......are you kidding?

I think this linked thread below is an excellent example of your writing style in question............especially the second page where you attack anybody who has a different viewpoint than your own, including Jamie Grant, James Clark, Dannydoyle, Frank Starsini, Dave V, and Joel from High Calibre Magic, all of whom have worlds more experience than you do.

Or are these just more of the "you people" you refer to in your above post?

James Clark from "Street Magic" magazine summed up your posts as "pure horse crud".

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=228269&forum=5&start=0

Your post above in response to Chad's post expressing his opinion on the appropriateness of WalMart tool bags for the working busker or magician comes across as offensive dbaker.
If you mean it to then you've certainly achieved success.

If you don't mean it to, then you may want to work on how you communicate with those who hold opinions different than your own.
Message: Posted by: Dustin Baker (May 3, 2008 10:38PM)
[quote]Dbaker, your presumption that everybody is a hack and looking for the cheapest possible solution to their prop management issues is where you go off the tracks.

Chad's street cred is FAR higher than your own, and your recent posts reduce your own cred to a point where it's impossible to take anything you post seriously.
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Repeat: Please show me where I said anything to that effect silverking.

Ah and on to the post at hand - changing the subject, how quaint. Very useful when you've said something untrue isn't it?

1) I believe I complemented Frank twice on that page alone making note as to why his products are completely excluded from the point I was making.
2) I thanked DaveV for making the first relevant post.
3) Danny? I didn't even see his post. I did after running through just now, but I completely missed it before.
4) As for Grant and Clark, oh well - can't win 'em all.
5) Joel earned himself a lot of respect for remaining civil during that thread. Especially since his was the product being challenged. Such is why I've not commented on his products since, unless I had something nice to say.


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Your post in response to Chad comes across as offensive dbaker. If you mean it to then you're certainly successful.
If you don't mean it to, then you need to work on how you communicate with those who hold opinions different than your own. [/quote]
My post was in responce to direct, pointless, and baseless personal attacks. If it was offensive, then too freakin' bad!
My initial response to Chad was a statement of my own opinion, which he followed with a cowardly assult on me, rather than trying to make a stronger point.
Message: Posted by: silverking (May 3, 2008 10:52PM)
You seem to thrive on confrontation..........see ya'.
Message: Posted by: Dustin Baker (May 4, 2008 12:43AM)
A thank you to whomever on the mod staff removed Chad and I's exchange.
Message: Posted by: Bill Wood (May 8, 2008 10:18AM)
All this pouch grouching aside.

Wouldn't it be great if all your props could magically appear at your finger tips?

Way more planning and practice though.

But just imagine, you are about to do a ring and rope routine with a 3 1/2 inch ring. Instead of reaching into your pocket and pulling out something that is only recognizable to equestrian enthusiasts and bondage experts you pull your wedding band of your ring finger and stretched it out to the size you need.

This is my hope and dream.
Message: Posted by: Dustin Baker (May 8, 2008 02:44PM)
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On 2008-05-08 11:18, Bill Wood wrote:
All this pouch grouching aside.
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That was pretty funny, Bill.

As you said, it would be awesome if your props could simply appear. Another Café member posted a topit variation that would allow you to vanish props at your fingertips and have them go back to your pockets for the next table. Your hopes and dreams live on Bill. ;)
Message: Posted by: TheAmbitiousCard (May 21, 2008 11:47PM)
Pouch Grouching! Why didn't I think of that line?
Message: Posted by: Dustin Baker (May 22, 2008 12:32AM)
I know, that's a good one isn't it.
Message: Posted by: JamesinLA (May 26, 2008 10:54PM)
I've got a laced Gazzo pouch that I use with Gazzo's cups and a hat load. I've also got a little pouch that is extremely deceptive and small. I use the little pouch for a set of smaller cups that fit lemons. I load 4 lemons with that little pouch. The little pouch also holds the little cups and the small balls. One nice thing about the little pouch is that people can literally be right on top of me and my table and they don't see a thing because the pouch is so small and its opening so narrow. I make good hats with that pouch. It's black now, but it was brown when I bought it. I used shoe polish to paint it black. It costs me 12 bucks. I bought it a B&B hardware. I get big crowds with that little pouch and small cups and 4 lemons often. They're stopping, and clapping, and paying for me not my pouch.

Jim
Message: Posted by: ferrari (Apr 22, 2009 06:08PM)
I use a leather fanny pack keeps my prop organized
Message: Posted by: ray raymond (May 3, 2009 01:00PM)
I have to go with chad on this one. To dbaker who says they don't know a difference btween cellphone case or a close up pouch. I disagree they have a cellphone case. Not to argue with you dbaker. and to jamesinla that is another case of, there is an exception to evrey rule. Your observation and cretivity has paid off for you.