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Topic: table idea, what do you think?
Message: Posted by: redstreak (Mar 31, 2003 10:31AM)
I just thought of this a few minutes ago. I hope to do some street magic for the first time in a month or two and am planning routines, table, locations, etc. There was a trick that I wanted to do that involved lapping and I was planning to do me whole routine standing at the table. I though that you might be able to make a bag hanging from the edge down, then if you lapped something, it would fall into the bag and wouldn't make a noise. What do you think?
Message: Posted by: Steve Friedberg (Mar 31, 2003 11:45AM)
Couple of thoughts:

1) How will you ensure the bag stays open?
2) How will you address the issue of angles, given that you're going after a street magic audience; how will you conceal the bag?
3) Unless you're holding your hands by the table, whatever you're hoping to lap has further to fall, increasing the chance of being burned by spectators.

I'm not saying you shouldn't do it, but you may want to consider these points.
Message: Posted by: Larry Barnowsky (Mar 31, 2003 01:35PM)
If you are doing your magic at a distance from the crowd you might consider using a table with one black art well. That would take care of the angle problem and the well could be plugged when you don't need it. That would not work "well" if this was close up magic since it could be spotted by the spectators.
Message: Posted by: redstreak (Mar 31, 2003 05:38PM)
OK, it's not the best thing in the world. It could work though, as long as they are in front of you. I was thinking that a cloth bag, only a few inches below the table, I could probably build a frame that would hold it open.
Message: Posted by: RayBanks (Apr 1, 2003 12:54PM)
It's called a servante. Should be easy to find some examples.
Message: Posted by: JamesinLA (Apr 1, 2003 07:04PM)
Use wire to make sure the servante has only enough of an opening to accept what you toss. Make the servante look like the rest of the material that hangs down around the other three sides of the table.
Message: Posted by: ferraroj (Apr 1, 2003 07:35PM)
Have you considered weather conditions? You might want to weight or pin down securely whatever you use so that it doesn't start blowing in the wind.
Message: Posted by: Alex W. (Apr 1, 2003 07:49PM)
Also, you don't want to have the bottom of the bag too low. Reaching down to retrieve something might give you away.
Message: Posted by: Chance Wolf (Apr 1, 2003 07:58PM)
232 posts and you don't know what a servante is ?!! I'm just messing with ya!

Hey, a few years ago, I designed a retractable servante for a buddy who did street work. Basically, it just pivoted up into position when needed and dropped back flush to the backside of the table when not needed. Very easy if you think about it, and the activating lever can be mounted at the bottom of the base and activated with the foot. That is all I will tell you, if this comes out on the market, I have 6 witnesses that it was MY idea! :bg:

Otherwise, get out your pen and paper and figure it out... or you can send me a fistful of money for the plans! :rotf:

Take care,
Chance Wolf
Wolf's Magic
Message: Posted by: JamesinLA (Apr 2, 2003 03:29AM)
You got any bright ideas for table loading devices to steal ornages for cups and balls final loads? It would also be nice if it could work on the street, in a surrounded situation.
Message: Posted by: Sid Mayer (Apr 2, 2003 03:49AM)
I assume that, from your idea of using a bag, the item to be disposed of does not need to be retrieved during performance. Perhaps, a Topit is the answer. There are several threads in the Café on this subject.

Another alternative is a [i]gibciere[/i]. It's a sort of pouch worn visibly at the front or side of your body. Cellini, King of Street, uses one of his own design. It solves the angle problem and allows you to work standing which is usually more practical for street work. It's also a convenient way to carry props and obtain loads. I know that Cellini has tapes although I do not know if one of them tips this device. However, the basic idea is ancient.

Message: Posted by: redstreak (Apr 2, 2003 12:15PM)
wolfsmagic, I am fairly new to "street magic" although I have been doing magic for a while.

I have a few more ideas that I will post, but, judging by this one, you probably know them.
Message: Posted by: Dave Egleston (Apr 3, 2003 12:15AM)
There are several commercially available servants that pivot into and out of play.

Message: Posted by: BryanDreyfus (Apr 5, 2003 12:02AM)
how about a table with a double top with a thin opening to slide a card into?

Just a thought. Maybe at an edge of some decorative tape?

Message: Posted by: Andrew E. Miller (Apr 6, 2003 09:41PM)
Ray is right. It is a servante, which can be useful but nor for street magic and not in a bad form. It has too many angle problems it would work best for a formal close-up show or on stage where there is no one behind you.