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Topic: Water Levitation Themes
Message: Posted by: Dr. Jakks (Apr 2, 2003 07:40PM)
Ever since seeing Copperfield's Brazillian Water Levitation I have been enthralled with it! Once I learned of the method I have been wracking my brain to come up with a presentation that is practical and very theatrical. I, of course, do not want to make a tribal setting and play Rythm of the Heat(though I love any and all Peter Gabriel music), but something dramatic and theatrical.

Jakks
Message: Posted by: Steven Steele (Apr 2, 2003 08:39PM)
Doug Henning was one of the first to perform this illusion(in fact, I think David's was the one Doug used when Doug sold his equipment).

Doug used a lighter presentation. A girl and him walked up and played in the water and then he levitated her and they finished by playing and splashing water on each other.

I know one of the original illusions had three phases...first levitating on water, second levitating on fire, and then she vanishes. I only know of one of these ever being built for some magician performing in France. I would have loved to have seen it.

Steven
Message: Posted by: zigmont (Apr 2, 2003 09:28PM)
Kirby Van Birch bought Henning (gaughan)water Lev rig and is still using it in Bramson.It was the first one built.

Copperfield was a rig built by Gaughan.

Owens Magic Built a unit that incorporated the asrah for Brett without the water. They make the water fountain rig as well.
Message: Posted by: Steven Steele (Apr 2, 2003 09:44PM)
Thanks, Zigmont...My memory is failing me, I believe. Oh well....
Message: Posted by: Peter Loughran (Apr 2, 2003 10:54PM)
I'm in love with the water fountain impaling. I'm gonna have to get myself one of those.
Message: Posted by: Magic74Josh (Apr 3, 2003 08:51AM)
I would like to get info on where I can purchase many of these illusion systems.
Message: Posted by: zigmont (Apr 3, 2003 09:15AM)
John gaughan rig 25-35,000.00
Bill Smith magic ventures rig 18,000.00- 25,000.00
Owen Magic (I bought one in 1988 for 20,000 with cases) 25,000.00
Mendoza magiccraft would be 30,000.00 Plus

It a platform lev with water system so it's huge
Just do a google search....
Message: Posted by: Kendrix (Apr 3, 2003 04:36PM)
Steve Z. I have been told by various sources that DC had the Henning prop, too. I was told how bad a shape it was and almost rusted through. I had an assistant a few years back who worked with Van Burch (that's another story) who told me she remembered the Water Levi as being a newly mfd. trick. from "someone in Las Vegas". Who is responsible for the gimmick that allows her to "float" around DC? I am not saying you are wrong, but that I heard the same thing Steve Steele said in the above thread.
Message: Posted by: LanceRich (Apr 3, 2003 05:37PM)
Peter,

Have you actually seen the Owen's Water Impaled performed?

I am intrigued with the idea, and the picture of the effect, but, I would have to see it live to really appreciate it I think.

What is it like live?

Also, do you know anyone currently performing the effect?
Message: Posted by: Dr. Jakks (Apr 3, 2003 06:50PM)
I like the idea of the Asrah vanish at the end. I really like story pieces...like the tribal theme Copperfield used. I have a quick clip of Doug Henning performing the levitation and it loked good. I rememeber Brett doin this on the WGM and I just thought it loked like another levitation, but when I saw Copperfield do this I was really amazed! I think presentation really plays a part in this levi(though the girl spinning around his body was a nice touch). Any good presentational ideas?

Jakks
Message: Posted by: Corey K (Apr 3, 2003 08:39PM)
I don't remember Brett doing the Water Levitation on WGM. The only levitation I remember him doing was the 360 levitation where the girl appeared levitating in front of him...

Maybe I missed the water one? :D
Message: Posted by: zigmont (Apr 3, 2003 10:35PM)
I have been told by various sources that DC had the Henning prop, too. I was told how bad a shape it was and almost rusted through. I had an assistant a few years back who worked with Van Burch (that's another story) who told me she remembered the Water Levi as being a newly mfd. trick. from "someone in Las Vegas". Who is responsible for the gimmick that allows her to "float" around DC?

Kirby bought henning water lev rig for 30,000.00 and thought he bought the rights as well.
When DC performed his Gaughan model in Vegas , Kirby got mad and they made an agreement to share another illusion so kirby could do a Dc design Illusion.

I was back sateg at Dc show and hung out at the water lev rig once, so I know that they all leak and its a gaughan and not hennings.

Most water Lev are made from marine wood and don't rust thru. Kirby bought the nightmagic Owen Magic water lev rig that supplied to that show and had two at one point.

The spin around gimmick was discovered by accident by the Pendragons while working on a lev with a vanish feature. Gaughan designed that feature.

Don't listen to Dancers
Message: Posted by: Backroomboy (Apr 4, 2003 07:12AM)
I'm reminded of someone who sat in the audience as Lance Burton kissed and otherwise seduced the jumper he performed his flying effect with....

"Oh no, someone cried...not another **** levitation!!

(snicker!!)
Message: Posted by: Dr. Jakks (Apr 4, 2003 06:39PM)
Corey,

Brett used the Water levitation but no water, I think. I may be wrong, but that's what it looked like.

Jakks
Message: Posted by: LeeAlex2002 (Apr 5, 2003 04:13AM)
[quote]Brett used the Water levitation but no water I think. I may be wrong, but that's what it looked like.[/quote]

In other words the 360 levitation as Corey rightly said.

The Water Impalement from Owen seems rather illogical to me since water of course is a non-solid medium.
The fact that water passes through the body is not strong as strong in my opinion as the levitation where the water is holding the weight of the person floating on top.

You only have to wash your hands in the tap to produce the same effect as the Water Impalement. The fountain base also looks so cumbersome?
Message: Posted by: Peter Loughran (Apr 5, 2003 05:40AM)
Lee Alex wrote:
"The Water Impalement from Owen seems rather illogical to me since water of course is a non-solid medium.
The fact that water passes through the body is not strong as strong in my opinion as the levitation where the water is holding the weight of the person floating on top.

You only have to wash your hands in the tap to produce the same effect as the Water Impalement. The fountain base also looks so cumbersome?"

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Really Lee? Wow! Not to me, you have the same effect as the water holding up the weight of the person, and then the person drops and the water penetrates the body.

Putting your hand under a tap hardly recreates the same effect! The water is traveling down, not up. It is visibly clear that the water is running around the hand and not through it, and finally your wrist and arm is attached to the hand(holding it under the tap)Nothing magical there I agree! But SUSPEND a person on water that is shooting UP, and then the body drops down and is clearly being PENETRATED by the water without any visible means of support holding the person impaled on the water fountain, now to me that's pretty #$%@!^ magical! Illogical? I thought that was the name of the game.

As for the base, It's supposed to look like a fountatin, which it does. Being an Illusionist I expect to transport larger than life props sometimes. I think the fountain base looks wild. Most imapling bases I have seen are rather large with a mirror ball that holds the spike or sword, with no excuse for having it. At least with the fountain you have an excuse to have a base at all.

P.
Message: Posted by: mikefallen (Mar 2, 2013 11:13AM)
I still love doug Henning water levitation... it was so amazing to see it! And very beautifull from the artistic point of view I think... details can be found on doug`s book
Message: Posted by: Eldon (Mar 2, 2013 11:42AM)
[quote]
On 2003-04-03 23:35, zigmont wrote:

The spin around gimmick was discovered by accident by the Pendragons while working on a lev with a vanish feature. Gaughan designed that feature.

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I remember years ago we were building battery powered levitations. I worked two days to modify our prototype so that it would not spin. Shortly after that everyone started doing the rotation. Two days waisted. :lol:
Message: Posted by: Oliver Ross (Mar 2, 2013 04:51PM)
Back to the topic, the french magician Dani Lary used a big sea-shell with her assistant disguised as a mermaid for the water levitation.

Oliver.
Message: Posted by: WagsterMagic (Mar 2, 2013 06:08PM)
My friend Terry Evanswood in Pigeon Forge does a titanic themed one.
Message: Posted by: Chezaday (Mar 2, 2013 11:35PM)
Actually I think Terry has performed this illusion more than anyone else. As I remember he bought his from Kirby Van Birch at least 25 years ago or more. I was working with his show at the time so, I know the prop inside and out. It was an Owen Magic Supreme prop ... pretty simple over all. Yes, it leaked back then ... and I'm sure it leaks now!

Not the most practical illusion .. and believe me, we traveled with it!

Steve
Message: Posted by: WagsterMagic (Mar 3, 2013 08:47AM)
Your probably right Steve! He was showing me the prop a early last year and it had plastic wrapped around it trying to contain a leak. lol
Message: Posted by: Chezaday (Mar 3, 2013 10:10AM)
It's amazing that he still has that thing running ... that's the best trick of all in his show!

Steve
Message: Posted by: serg (Mar 3, 2013 02:01PM)
Also ask Tim Clothier....
Message: Posted by: Jan Rouven (Mar 3, 2013 03:46PM)
I own a Water Levitation. The prop was build by Bill Smith. I am not using it right now and would be willing to sell it. It also has the revolving feature built in. PM me for more info.

Jan
Message: Posted by: Blair Marshall (Mar 3, 2013 05:09PM)
Oliver the inspiration for the girl floating above the seashell may have come from Thurston, in some of his photos of the water act shows a girl "floating" above a seashell.

Blair
Message: Posted by: tristanmagic (Mar 3, 2013 06:27PM)
[quote]
On 2013-03-02 17:51, Oliver Ross wrote:
Back to the topic, the french magician Dani Lary used a big sea-shell with her assistant disguised as a mermaid for the water levitation.

Oliver.
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Dani Lary indeed uses a big sea-shell but the girl is not dressed as a mermaid.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XD_x8EvhXQ
It is a good version but unfortunatelly he didn't pay for the rights to use the fountains or to use the 360 but this is typical for him!
Message: Posted by: Blair Marshall (Mar 4, 2013 07:28AM)
In the Olson book on the life of Howard Thurston he describes one of the illusions in the fountain act as a lady floating over a fountain of water. Hmmmmm.

As far as the 360 deg. unless Dani is using the same mech.and methodology that is proprietary and licensed by Jonathan (and you would only know if you saw it), the 360 revolve is not, and was written up in the Nov. 1961 Genii magazine as "Siros Revolving Suspension". I believe Hades also sells the plans for this (or did).

Blair
Message: Posted by: tristanmagic (Mar 4, 2013 01:27PM)
[quote]
On 2013-03-04 08:28, Blair Marshall wrote:
In the Olson book on the life of Howard Thurston he describes one of the illusions in the fountain act as a lady floating over a fountain of water. Hmmmmm.

As far as the 360 deg. unless Dani is using the same mech.and methodology that is proprietary and licensed by Jonathan (and you would only know if you saw it), the 360 revolve is not, and was written up in the Nov. 1961 Genii magazine as "Siros Revolving Suspension". I believe Hades also sells the plans for this (or did).

Blair
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Howard Thurston didn't use a aga table or a row of fountains like used in the water levitation.

The Siros Revolving suspension was a Suspension (Not a levitation) using a Super X (Not an Aga table) and when the girl revolved she went away from the Magician and didn't stay close to the magicians body as in the Pendragons version.
The Dani Lary version is like the Pendragons version and not like the Siros Revolving suspension!

The Aga table btw is credited to Alan Wakeling, first used by Mark Wilson.
Message: Posted by: Blair Marshall (Mar 4, 2013 01:46PM)
Just to be clear for everyone, the "aga table" you are referring to in this instance is the platform above the stage (approx 6') like in the Copperfield, Henning, Wilson et al. which is usually reached by a set of stairs.

(Why the clarifictaion? Any table used for an aga levitation could be called an "aga table" whether below stage, or behind curtain.)

I'm actually not sure if Thurston used an aga mechanism for his "fountain" floating, but the table of fountains was raised above the stage. In photos it really does look like what we know or call the water levitation.

Blair
Message: Posted by: john wills (Mar 4, 2013 02:29PM)
Hi Blair,

You can even see it on film.
Go to you tube and search for
magician Howard Thurston
and look for the very last part
on this film !
Message: Posted by: Blair Marshall (Mar 4, 2013 03:44PM)
Hi John,

Many thanks for that reference. I forgot I had also seen it there. For those that want a look-see here is the link....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6f4a2l_w3Y at 4:16 it appears in the background.

Not only does the girl seem to float above a set of fountains, she is revolving within the fountains and above.

Blair
Message: Posted by: Oliver Ross (Mar 4, 2013 05:00PM)
Hi Blair,

Thank you very much for all those nice historical informations. Very interesting.

Oliver.