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Topic: Newspaper Test
Message: Posted by: timlondon (Aug 23, 2008 07:27PM)
Hi, first time poster but long time lurker here. Recently I’ve been putting together a stage show which I have never done before, and it seems appropriate to use a newspaper test as closer for the show.

I have been trying to look for more information regarding Docc Hilford’s Nostrum Necromancy newspaper test and Greg Arce’s Add Sense in his “Lost in Thought” book, but it surprises me that there have been very few discussions about them in the café. Can anyone give more information regarding their practicality, difficulty and difference in effect perceived by the audience? Any other recommendations for newspaper test other than the two I mentioned?

Thanks.
Message: Posted by: BIlly James (Aug 23, 2008 08:14PM)
I would strongly recommend you take a look at Sean Taylor's Newspaper test. It can be found in his book 'mindstorms' under the title of 'News Of The World'.

It involves the entire audience is baffling and highly entertaining.

You can find it here - http://www.taylorsmagicshop.com/category16_1.htm
Message: Posted by: timlondon (Aug 23, 2008 08:55PM)
Thanks for your reply. Unfortunately there hasn't been much info/review regarding this book after searching it in the café, and for such an expensive book I hope that someone will give more details regarding its practicality, difficulty and effect perceived as mentioned in my original post. Thanks.
Message: Posted by: aukt (Aug 23, 2008 08:58PM)
The newspaper test is awesome and surgically clean.
Message: Posted by: Wanderer2 (Aug 23, 2008 10:38PM)
Yeah, I've been looking for a good newspaper predictions as well. The two so far I found that I might like are Sean Taylor's and there's another one called "Random Thoughts". What does the audience see in Sean's? Also, are there any other newspaper test/predictions that I might like?
Message: Posted by: Spellbinder (Aug 23, 2008 10:51PM)
You might like "Elemental Science" by (ahem!) Me. It's found in The Wizard's Journal #15 (on my site) and here's the run-down:

Four people are asked to select one of the four elements, earth, air, fire, water. As each chooses, he or she writes down the choice on the front of a sealed envelope. Each also writes a random number from 1 to 1000, and a date from among the past ten years. On opening each envelope it is discovered that each envelope contains a newspaper clipping from the chosen date, and that each element represents a natural disaster; earthquake, hurricane, wildfire, flood. In each disaster, the news story states the number of people killed- the same number chosen by each spectator.

http://www.magicnook.com/WizJ15/WIZ15-06ElementalScience.htm

There's also "Old News" from The Wizards' Journal #1, but it might be more bizarre than you like:

http://www.magicnook.com/WIZONE/wj0105.htm
Message: Posted by: timlondon (Aug 24, 2008 01:12AM)
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On 2008-08-23 23:38, Wanderer2 wrote:
Yeah, I've been looking for a good newspaper predictions as well. The two so far I found that I might like are Sean Taylor's and there's another one called "Random Thoughts". What does the audience see in Sean's? Also, are there any other newspaper test/predictions that I might like?
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I'm interested in how Sean Taylor's effect looks like as well. Is it possible to have a prediction envelope in full view for the rest of the time?

Random Thoughts seems complicated in its selection process (especially when the dice is introduced). Surely it is a great effect (I like Devin's works a lot) but I prefer effects that are more straightfoward and direct.
Message: Posted by: BIlly James (Aug 24, 2008 01:37AM)
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On 2008-08-24 02:12, timlondon wrote:

Is it possible to have a prediction envelope in full view for the rest of the time?

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Yes, with Sean's the prediction can be in view the whole time.
Message: Posted by: Dynamike (Aug 24, 2008 04:08AM)
There are a few listed inside of "Practical Mental Magic."
Message: Posted by: Piers (Aug 24, 2008 04:24AM)
I'm sure Bob Cassidy has an excellent version in his book too...
Message: Posted by: aukt (Aug 24, 2008 05:35AM)
Where is the bob cassidy version?

Does anyone know which one marc Salem uses?
Message: Posted by: Rappel (Aug 24, 2008 11:27AM)
I'm curious of why a newspaper test is an appropriate closer for your show?

Rappel
Message: Posted by: Bedford (Aug 24, 2008 11:48AM)
MM&M has a section on the newspaper test. There are a couple of interesting ideas there. Tarbell's volume 6 has a couple of newspaper tests as well.
Message: Posted by: Lord Of The Horses (Aug 24, 2008 02:58PM)
Al Mann all the way if you can find it.

Some old Robert Nelson manuscript and a little gem from Dr.Stanley Jaks.

Yeah, I know very rare stuff to find but some of the best things I ever came across (and in my opinion, better than some "new" approaches to the problem).

Oh, and of course - but it has been said already - T.A. Waters has a great section on this kind of things in his wonderful MM&M tome.
Message: Posted by: The Game (Aug 26, 2008 03:22PM)
May I ask what are the names of Nelson and Mann's books?

Thanks
P.
Message: Posted by: aukt (Aug 26, 2008 03:57PM)
Yes lord, I'd love that.
Message: Posted by: david12345 (Jun 27, 2012 07:21PM)
I just discovered Nostrum Necromancy, it absolutely kills! I don't care for the reveal Docc describes, but the approach and combination of ideas are brilliant, can be applied to magazines and even books. I can't compare with others besides Colin Mecloud's In The News which I use on stage. For a completely impromptu request its a real worker.
Message: Posted by: Tony Iacoviello (Jun 27, 2012 07:37PM)
You can do Docc's just like Koran Presentation with a sealed envelope.in the spectator's hand before you begin.
Or you can do It as he demonstrated in his Doccinar with a whiteboard or drawing pad, it plays huge.
Message: Posted by: John C (Jun 28, 2012 09:30AM)
Envelope prediction in view the entire time ... Stop the Press in Mind Warp Richard Mark. The book contains tons of other great effects.
Message: Posted by: Nestor D (Jul 31, 2014 08:17AM)
It's an old post but for those who (like me) might be searching this :

[quote]On Aug 24, 2008, Lord Of The Horses wrote:
Al Mann all the way if you can find it.

Some old Robert Nelson manuscript and a little gem from Dr.Stanley Jaks.[/quote]

Both the Robert Nelson and the Dr.Stanley Jaks's effect are included in Al mann's "Six Columns" : a compilation of newspaper tests :)
Message: Posted by: GothicBen (Jul 31, 2014 12:46PM)
Al Koran had an excellent Newspaper prediction-I believe its in Professional Presentations.

Graham Jolley, a Koran disciple, performs this in his set to this day!