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Topic: Will the audience notice?
Message: Posted by: Drew Manning (Oct 5, 2008 10:49PM)
I am working on a cigarette routine and it starts off with animated cigarette. In this effect, the cigarette is filtered and comes out of a Marlboro box (the box is supplied with the effect and contains part of the gimmick). I personally prefer to work with a non filter cig like a traditional Camel.

My question is is there a problem from the average audience standpoint with two different types of cigarettes and packs? Would it even be noticed? If so, I need to work extra hard on the angels with filtered cigs or I can take apart the gimmick and rebuild it.
Message: Posted by: cougar (Oct 5, 2008 11:07PM)
Not exactly sure what you mean here. Do you mean a Camel from a Marlboro box or do you mean a non-filtered cigarette from a filtered cigarette box? I do think that most audiences, both smokers and non-smokers, would notice a non-filtered cigarette coming from a filtered box. Smokers would notice it because it is not what they see daily, and non-smokers would notice it because it is not what most cigarettes look like these days. Just my 2 cents. Hope that helps!
Message: Posted by: Drew Manning (Oct 5, 2008 11:19PM)
No, what I meant was that intially the pack I use would be the familiar "Marlboro Red" with a filter cigarette and when this effect was is done, the next pack that came out would be non filter Camels.
Message: Posted by: Michael Baker (Oct 5, 2008 11:50PM)
I think they are more likely to remember the difference between the packs. Unless the Animated Self-Lighting Cigarette is being made a lot differently than when I bought mine years ago, it would be very easy to alter the pack design. You can do that with a copy machine and a glue stick.

Also, the cigarette used for that routine (again, unless things have changed) is a replacable part of the trick. Just make them with filtered cigarettes with white filters. They will stand out less in comparison to non-filtered Camels.
Message: Posted by: JamesTong (Oct 6, 2008 08:58AM)
The visibility of the cigarette would also depends on the size of the performance venue and how far the audience are from you. A white filter makes the cigarette look longer which will improve visibility too.
Message: Posted by: Drew Manning (Oct 6, 2008 09:22AM)
[quote]I think they are more likely to remember the difference between the packs. Unless the Animated Self-Lighting Cigarette is being made a lot differently than when I bought mine years ago, it would be very easy to alter the pack design. You can do that with a copy machine and a glue stick.
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It's probably made the same. I realized last night when I was practicing that it wouldn't be hard to slap a Camel lable over the Marlboro lable.

[quote]A white filter makes the cigarette look longer which will improve visibility too.[/quote]

I know what you're saying, but I seem to have an easier time with my angles with no filtered cigarettes. The extra inch really seeems to make a difference. I find that with filters, I tend to end up holding my hands in artifically tense positions in order to avoid a flash. It seems like I can move my hands through a wider range more naturally and have less angle problems with the non filters.

One thing I could do to compensate for the shorter cig is to make it fatter by rolling it myself. Seems like a thicker cig would increase visability as well.
Message: Posted by: JamesTong (Oct 6, 2008 09:39AM)
If it is the non filter cigarette that works better for you, then it is better to change the box to one that holds non filters ... like camel. I think this is a better solution for you, right?
Message: Posted by: Drew Manning (Oct 6, 2008 09:59AM)
James you steered me to the same conclusion I sort of reached on my own as I kept thiking about the issue. For some reason intially it never occured to me to just change the label on the gimmick pack. Guess I get a mental block sometimes when it comes to messing with special props like that.
Message: Posted by: Saqib16 (Oct 6, 2008 11:08PM)
I think card manipulation, and manipulation in general, is the purest and most skilled branch of magic
Message: Posted by: jimhlou (Oct 8, 2008 04:40PM)
So do the judges at the magic convention contests.

Jim
Message: Posted by: J.G. the magnificent (Nov 13, 2008 03:30PM)
Maybe if you are in a situation where the angles would be more difficult rebuild the gimmick to make the angles easier. Otherwise if you are in a position where angles are not a big deal then work on the angles. Or somthing like that.
Message: Posted by: dcjames (Nov 14, 2008 08:32PM)
If it is the length of the non-filtered cigarette that you prefer, just cut down a filtered cigarette (on the tobacco end) and there you have it. (You could use the Camel as a template.)

This way, you can keep your original gimmick and the cigarettes will appear the same because the filters will match, they'll just be shorter.

Hope this helps,


dc