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Topic: Unknown Illusion
Message: Posted by: Richard Sherry (Oct 23, 2008 10:52AM)
Hello. I recently purchased an illusion from a magic estate auction. It is some sort of production for an assistant. I was told that it was used in Reveen's show and was built by Owen's however there is a stamp on the bottom that says Gem Magic. Does anyone know what this illusion is? I will add a link to a photo of this illusion.

I also purchased an Abbott's Temple of Benares and am wondering what vintage it is. The paint job is quite different from their current Temple design. Does anyone know when this Temple was made? I will add a link to a photo of this as well.

I appreciate any help on this!

Thanks.
Richard

Unknown Illusion Picture
http://www.richardsherrysmagic.com/images/HPIM3741resized.jpg

Temple Picture
http://www.richardsherrysmagic.com/images/HPIM3749resized.jpg
Message: Posted by: Terry Owens (Oct 23, 2008 11:03AM)
Unknown illusion looks like a giant square circle type effect. The larger versions of them, which I have one, are square with the inner box square too.

Reveen is still around and performing, you may want to contact him and see what he says.
Message: Posted by: ClintonMagus (Oct 23, 2008 11:07AM)
I agree with the Square Circle assessment, but the silkscreen job looks a lot like some old Abbott's or Bob Kline stuff that I have.
Message: Posted by: Richard Sherry (Oct 23, 2008 11:20AM)
Thanks for the tips. The illusion is similar to a Square Circle but it has a black false panel behind the painted face.There is no circle or square principle involved. This panel creates the black art effect. It doesn't seem to be a circle square so I was wondering what it was called. This is beautifully built and even has a hidden flash pot that is triggered when the panel is slid down.

Thanks again
Richard
Message: Posted by: HarbinJr. (Oct 23, 2008 01:00PM)
You may also want to contact Owens Magic to see if they have a clue as well. It does look very well made but not sure what it is.

Robert
Message: Posted by: cromano (Oct 23, 2008 01:09PM)
John Pomeroy (1938-2000) along with his wife Mitsy operated Gem Mfg. Co. out of Edmonds, Washington for many years. He was a master craftsman. Perhaps he made your illusion.
Message: Posted by: Donal Chayce (Oct 23, 2008 01:45PM)
Regarding the Temple, I'm not sure of the vintage but I suspect it is one of their early models. I say that because the paint job is much more in keeping with Jack Chanin's original design (particularly the perspective of the "inner doors" on the front doors), and Abbott's started making the illusion shortly after Chanin introduced it...without his permission.
Message: Posted by: Blair Marshall (Oct 23, 2008 01:52PM)
Jack Chanin's ??????????????

Don't you mean Jack Gwynne?? (Don't believe they are on and the saem?)

B
Message: Posted by: Michael Messing (Oct 23, 2008 02:12PM)
Richard,

The unknown illusion looks a lot like Abbott's Chinese Idol. They sold plans for this illusion (I have a set) and it might have been built from them. Here's the description of their plans:
http://www.magicgettogether.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=AM&Product_Code=CIA&Category_Code=IP8

Send me a PM and I'll discuss the differences between the Chinese Idol and a Square Circle.

Michael
Message: Posted by: Blair Marshall (Oct 23, 2008 02:15PM)
RE: the Temple, I do not think it is an Abbott's.

I have two, one from the 40/50's and one from much later (60/70's).

Both have the dull look to them, and they have the multi-coulored roofs.

The other clue is the staircase, the one on your photo does not look like the standard Abbott's set, VERY different.

Perhaps it was a special?

Re: The black art production. Owens has their own style for this illusion and I think it is too "simple" to be of their manufacture, unless it was a "quickie" that Peter wanted for a reason. Again it has the spray stncils (from the photo, and they don't seem to be "crisp")

Post if you hear who made them.

B
Message: Posted by: Blair Marshall (Oct 23, 2008 02:17PM)
Hey Michael,

I think Richard spells out the diiferece in his post re. Chinese Idol vs. Square Circle.

B
Message: Posted by: Michael Messing (Oct 23, 2008 02:26PM)
[quote]
On 2008-10-23 15:17, Blair Marshall wrote:
Hey Michael,

I think Richard spells out the diiferece in his post re. Chinese Idol vs. Square Circle.

B
[/quote]

Oops, I didn't see that! (I was trying to be subtle on the explanation!)
Message: Posted by: magicians (Oct 23, 2008 04:22PM)
Whats the apparatus in the photo from and out of site in front the sq circle? Looks pretty old too!!
Message: Posted by: Donal Chayce (Oct 23, 2008 05:32PM)
[quote]
On 2008-10-23 14:52, Blair Marshall wrote:
Jack Chanin's ??????????????

Don't you mean Jack Gwynne?? (Don't believe they are on and the saem?)

B
[/quote]

LOL...I did indeed mean Jack Gwynne. Why I wrote Chanin I'll never know.
:blush:
Message: Posted by: Blair Marshall (Oct 23, 2008 09:32PM)
Good grief, just reread my posts above. Please forgive the spelling errors, not sure what the heck was going on when I wrote them. At it would seem you understood them, I guess it's still good!!! LOL

B
Message: Posted by: zaubern (Oct 23, 2008 09:55PM)
I would bet good money Pomeroy built the unknown piece. He built a lot of these types of production devices in different sizes. I almost had him build me one large enough for a person when I was first getting into magic. The thing would have weighed a ton with how sturdy he built his props.

~Aaron
Message: Posted by: Spellbinder (Oct 23, 2008 10:31PM)
The panel principle is also used in the "Boy to Rabbit" Illusion, although the box is not so ornate. You could probably use it for that purpose if you wanted to.
Message: Posted by: Chezaday (Oct 24, 2008 12:16AM)
Spellbinder beat me to it .. yes, the first thing that came to mind is the "Boy to Rabbit" illusion.

Mystery solved, you only got me by 45 minutes .. dang!

Steve
Message: Posted by: Laszlo Csizmadi (Oct 24, 2008 12:26AM)
[quote]
On 2008-10-24 01:16, Chezaday wrote:
Spellbinder beat me to it .. yes, the first thing that came to mind is the "Boy to Rabbit" illusion.

Mystery solved, you only got me by 45 minutes .. dang!

Steve
[/quote]

I bet you hated the math in the school. :)
Message: Posted by: Chezaday (Oct 24, 2008 12:43AM)
Ouch .. you got me, for some reason it was actually 12:15am central time when I replied.

Oh well ...

Steve
Message: Posted by: Richard Sherry (Oct 24, 2008 10:26AM)
Thanks to everyone for your help.

All the best.
Richard
Message: Posted by: VaclavH (Mar 16, 2014 03:27PM)
Hi .
I just came across this post. Wanted to look at the photos, but they are gone by now. Anyway. If there is a stamp "Gem Magic" it is most likely John Pomeroy's illusion.