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Topic: Card Manipulations
Message: Posted by: patrickske (Oct 28, 2008 07:44AM)
Hi everyone!

I would like to have some advice for building a routine with card manipulations. I find it hard to set up a good routine. I've tried to make a video with my webcam but its kinda blurry..

Link is here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deCfRYnQeHU

Now, what should I do or what should I keep away from this? Am I going the right way with what I'am doing?

Would love to hear some advice or comments on the video.

Greats Patrick
Message: Posted by: WagsterMagic (Oct 28, 2008 10:00AM)
You have the chops...

Just a few suggestions...

The last thing you want to do is just be up onstage producing cards. Now I know what your thinking. Most pros do that. Such as McBride for example but... Your act will need depth and meaning.

I always recommend a quick punch at the beginning. Try looking for a theme as well. Do you want it to be slow and poetic or fast and exciting. Its all what you want. Also, watch your posture. You were slumping a little bit. I also recommend a receptical for your cards.

I would stay away from doing the costume change at the end. It doesn't go with the rest of the act. And If you just threw in the QC for the video I'm sorry. Just commenting on what I saw. You have the skills now its time to take it to the next level.

Hope everything works out.

Best
Brandon
Message: Posted by: patrickske (Oct 28, 2008 10:19AM)
Hi Brandon,

Thanks for the suggestions! The part which you named about just producing the cards, that's the hard part for me. Iam going to try and make it fit in a theme.

I just set the QC in the video to see how it looks like. but your right it doesn't fit in there!

I hope I can bring it to the next level!

Greats Patrick
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Oct 29, 2008 11:21AM)
1st thing is you edited the video, in a live presentation, you cannot edit your transitions.

Stand at a 45 degree angel, so the whole audience can see your productions, visualize an audience of 1000 people in front of you.

Bring your card producing hand forward, so the people on the left can see the cards.

Bring them up near your face, not your waist.

Do not show the split cards, just discard them. If you go this material from video training, I suggest you go back and view them again.

Remember proper technique is also important.

Did you produce the cards to the music you played or did you put it in later? I suggest you practice with the music, that will give you tempo for the productions.

Drop the front and back palm stuff, only do this once during a presentation.
Message: Posted by: patrickske (Oct 29, 2008 01:45PM)
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On 2008-10-29 12:21, wmhegbli wrote:
1st thing is you edited the video, in a live presentation, you cannot edit your transitions.

Stand at a 45 degree angel, so the whole audience can see your productions, visualize an audience of 1000 people in front of you.

Bring your card producing hand forward, so the people on the left can see the cards.

Bring them up near your face, not your waist.

Do not show the split cards, just discard them. If you go this material from video training, I suggest you go back and view them again.

Remember proper technique is also important.

Did you produce the cards to the music you played or did you put it in later? I suggest you practice with the music, that will give you tempo for the productions.

Drop the front and back palm stuff, only do this once during a presentation.
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Thanks for the advice!

I certainly can do something with those. I did not use this music when I was producing cards. Need to find some good music for the manipulations. I'am trying to find a theme and make the music fit in the theme.

Greats Patrick
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Oct 29, 2008 02:18PM)
My point was that if you were using the music a the time of your productions, then you should have seen there is a tempo, and your movements would have created a rhythm.
Message: Posted by: JamesTong (Oct 29, 2008 02:27PM)
The video can be seen as one that is edited. It does not offer a complete performance. Therefore suggestions will not be accurate as it is only based on what is seen.

The advices offered will be helpful, Patrick. In addition to that work on your body posture and body movements.
Message: Posted by: Daveandrews (Oct 29, 2008 06:58PM)
Hello, Patrick.
On your Youtube channel, you have got Lance Burton and Tony Clark - watch, especially Lance Burton's, body positions when doing the card manips.
I'm no expert, but take a look at the manip. video on my website - that, too, may help (or not!!!!).
Watch as many manipulators as you can - not what they are doing with the cards, necessarily, but their body positions.

Best of luck,

Dave
Message: Posted by: trashmanf (Oct 30, 2008 05:16PM)
Good split fan productions but it should not have been edited. Try to put the whole act together and present it a little zoomed out so we can see your personality as well. You have the chops as someone pointed out, and that is a big deal so just keep working at the presentation of it.
Message: Posted by: WagsterMagic (Oct 30, 2008 08:17PM)
I agree with everyone else...

Do a whole video to music with your whole self in the video. In costume as well.

Make the video just like how you would perform it for a paying audience.
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (Oct 30, 2008 09:06PM)
About 3/4s thru this you will see a great approach to card manipulation (alth he uses dollar bills) Not the timing and style. NOTE: The music was screwed up by the band they were off one tune throughout.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5GYtuzMNs0
Message: Posted by: Jeffrey Korst (Oct 31, 2008 12:59AM)
You've done an ok job so far, good work. The comments you've received are very much on the mark.

Body position especially needs work. Look at the angle of your torso in the first section of fan productions. Very much leaning forward and turned upstage. No one stage left is going to have any idea what you're doing. As Bill said, bring the hand up, and forward--to your sternum or even more forward if your wrists are flexible enough. If they are not, work on that.

Also, in spite of all your work and learning, you are doing technique that as far back as 1954 was described as having the following faults at least:

A) flash of the stock of cards that has been stolen from the fan. (No, not in this video, but I promise you any one stage right would get flashed.)

B) the number of cards in the fan becomes less before they are thrown down.

This is from Lewis Ganson Routined Manipulation. Still in print, much less than a DVD. I recommend it highly.

Best regards,

Jeffrey
Message: Posted by: patrickske (Oct 31, 2008 03:20AM)
Ill try to make a video with my whole body, and I'll try to find some music which fits. If the video is done (not edited) I'll post it on here again. Thanks for all the reactions and advice!

Greats Patrick
Message: Posted by: M-Illusion (Nov 5, 2008 12:23PM)
You're well on your way and you just need to take the advice of those who have already responded to make it a polished act. I've been doing the cards for a long time now, in the "real world" and everything everyone has told you is very true and advice worth it's weight in gold. Good luck!
Message: Posted by: Levent (Nov 5, 2008 05:02PM)
Hi Patrick:

There seems to be a lot of great advice from the previous posters and I agree with most of it.

The one thing that I would like to add is the following:

The color changing vest doesn't really fit in with the card manipulations and if you insist on doing the vest trick after the cards you should find a way to connect the two.

For instance you could hide a pack of cards in your pocket. When you cover the vest with the cloth you take out the cards and spring them out over the cloth and into the air and then change the solid colored vest to a vest made of playing card material. So it looks like the cards have stuck to the vest.

Something like that would be better in my opinion.

Levent
Message: Posted by: JamesTong (Nov 6, 2008 12:31AM)
Wow! Thanks, Levent. I like that idea very much ... changing the solid color vest to one made of playing card material.