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Topic: New Rubik's Cube DVD
Message: Posted by: Stryker (Nov 14, 2008 12:56PM)
I recently attended a castle perk night at the Magic Castle on How to Solve the Rubik's Cube. It was great. They had a whole bunch of people that can actually solve any Rubik's cube, anytime, in less than 20 seconds. No matter how mixed up it was. Unlike the Insta-cube, this was an actual solve of a real cube. It looked like magic to me!

After they did some demonstrations, they took us step by step through the solving process. I thought it would be difficult for me to grasp, but it turned out to be much easier than I expected. Also, they were selling a DVD, "You Can Solve the Cube" that shows all the steps. I went on the website, http://www.youcansolvethecube.com, but I didn't see anywhere that I could buy more of these. I think they would make excellent Christmas gifts.

Does anyone know where these can be purchased? Are they in stores?
Message: Posted by: Slim King (Nov 14, 2008 01:15PM)
I find it hard to believe they can do any cube in less than 20 seconds :)
Message: Posted by: lostpoet (Nov 14, 2008 01:26PM)
Called Rain Man technique.

Bam! The future of Rubik's cube.
:)
Message: Posted by: Slim King (Nov 14, 2008 01:30PM)
I've read posts that say it can be done that fast and the record is somewhere around 20 seconds. But HOW?
I can barely turn the thing a couple of times per second.

I am performing Tony Eye's cool routine with the cube. (And a little twist)
IT KILLS EM' :)
Message: Posted by: cfrye (Nov 14, 2008 04:18PM)
The North American record, as shown on John and Tyler's DVD, is 9.something seconds.

I bought the DVD directly from John George rather than get the package from B&N and have memorized all but the last step of the basic process. I've been distracted with other projects and learn physical processes through repetition rather than memorization, so I'm taking a little longer than most other purchasers will to master the solution Tyler teaches.

The speed cubing section of the DVD shows you how to prepare your cube for speed solving, demonstrates how to chain moves together to increase speed, and then dives into the special cases you'll need to know to start going fast.

Tyler's a very engaging presenter, and the basic method isn't difficult to pick up if you spend some time with it. I've enjoyed working through the process and highly recommend the DVD.


Curt
Message: Posted by: ChadRees (Nov 14, 2008 07:27PM)
[quote]
On 2008-11-14 14:15, Psychic Samurai wrote:
I find it hard to believe they can do any cube in less than 20 seconds :)
[/quote]

I live in Seattle, Washington and if you ever come to visit you should head down to the pike place market. Their is a young man down their who performs with the rubix cube. He can solve it in under 17 seconds as well as he can solve it one handed, while spinning something on his fingertip, and he can solve it blindfolded, for real with no peaks. he is not a magician just a rubix cube guy. But solving the rubix cube under 20 seconds is completly possilbe as long as you have a well conditioned cube and know what you are doing. I can do it in under 2 minutes.
Message: Posted by: Patrick Redford (Nov 15, 2008 06:12PM)
As a fan of the Rubiks cube (some of you may have seen my rubiks routine) and someone who's talked a bit with John George about his solve, it's great to see this information surface. It is very possible to solve the cube legitimately in twenty seconds or less! There is a wealth of information on the interweb that will help lead you to such an ability but nothing beats being shown with cube in hand.
Message: Posted by: Harris0n (Nov 16, 2008 06:04AM)
I wrote a little about my experience at a recent UK speedcubing event[url=http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=282511&forum=15&28] here[/url]
Message: Posted by: renothecat (Nov 16, 2008 02:50PM)
Hello...The DVD is extremely good. I work for Winning Moves - the company that makes the Cube and the DVD product. You can buy it at Barnes & Noble..DVD&Cube come packaged together. Toys R Us sells a gift set with DVD, Cube, and a Junior Cube. I already knew how to solve the Cube but everyone in our office has been able to solve it using the DVD. TYSON is the host (not Tyler) and he does a GREAT job teaching. He's the one who taught me how to solve it. Enjoy!
Message: Posted by: cfrye (Nov 16, 2008 06:37PM)
[quote]
On 2008-11-16 15:50, renothecat wrote:
TYSON is the host (not Tyler) [/quote]

Whoops! Thanks for the correction.



Curt
Message: Posted by: John C (Nov 16, 2008 07:10PM)
Why really solve it in 20 seconds or less when you can use insta cube and who knows?

J
Message: Posted by: cfrye (Nov 16, 2008 08:04PM)
The explanation lies in the difference between magic and mental magic/mentalism. Magic is about accomplishing an effect using a seemingly impossible method. Mental magic and mentalism are about using a seemingly possible method to accomplish an effect.

Audiences enjoy mentalism because they appreciate the (apparent) process behind the routine, not just the end product.


Curt
Message: Posted by: John George (Nov 18, 2008 01:30PM)
Hello-

I just saw this post. I would be happy to answer any questions.

The DVD is available through the following link:

http://gifts.barnesandnoble.com/Toys-games/Rubiks-Cube-You-Can-Do-It-Game-B-N-Exclusive/e/714043050211

The DVD teaches the basic solve, speed-solving and the blindfold solve. I produced the DVD along with Tyson Mao. Tyson does all of the explanations. He is a wonderful teacher and is the person who taught me.

Thanks to Tyson I can solve the Rubik's Cube in less than 30 seconds regularly. I can also solve the cube blindfolded. I need to work on getting my time down for the blindfold solve but I was amazed that I could even do it. It isn't as hard as I expected.

Thank you Curt and Stryker for your nice comments about the DVD. I am glad you are enjoying it.

John George
Message: Posted by: Slim King (Nov 18, 2008 01:44PM)
What time of a Time Commitment does it require for the normal person to master this?
Thanks
Dave
Message: Posted by: cfrye (Nov 18, 2008 05:21PM)
It worked at it off and on for a week until I did my first solo solve last night. My best time now is 2:23 with an unmodified cube (haven't taken it apart and applied a graphite lubricant to the innards). I imagine other folks could learn it faster, but it's in my memory and I understand how each move rearranges the cube.

I'll go on to the speed cubing sections and learn them bit by bit, but I definitely got a bit of a rush and sense of accomplishment that goes with learning a new basic skill. Not to mention an appreciation for cubers who can solve the puzzle more rapidly than I.



Curt
Message: Posted by: Count Lustig (Nov 18, 2008 09:40PM)
So which is better, Mark Elsdon's DVD or John George's DVD?
Message: Posted by: ChadRees (Nov 29, 2008 01:03PM)
If anyone has this DVD I would be interested to know if they are teaching a blindfold peek method or if you are taught how to really solve the rubix cube blindfolded.

I would hate to think a magic effect was being sold to the public through barns and noble, especially a blindfold effect.
Message: Posted by: sgrossberg (Nov 29, 2008 07:59PM)
It is a true solve - ALTHOUGH no method is taught for how to actually memorize the various faces of the cube and then apply which algorithms to use. That you can find online. - Scott
Message: Posted by: John George (Nov 30, 2008 03:01AM)
[quote]
On 2008-11-29 14:03, ChadRees wrote:
If anyone has this DVD I would be interested to know if they are teaching a blindfold peek method or if you are taught how to really solve the rubix cube blindfolded.

I would hate to think a magic effect was being sold to the public through barns and noble, especially a blindfold effect.
[/quote]

You are taught the real method for the blindfold solve. Everything is included. All of the algorithms are attached to the DVD in a PDF format. There is also an example solve written up as a PDF. It isn't taught to be a magic trick. Although all of the cubers are familiar with the peek method-- a competitor in The World Championships of Rubik's Cubing was caught using this method.
Message: Posted by: zgecko (Dec 2, 2008 09:49AM)
[quote]
On 2008-11-18 22:40, Count Lustig wrote:
So which is better, Mark Elsdon's DVD or John George's DVD?
[/quote]

Can anyone respond to this question? Thank you for your help!

Tom
Message: Posted by: mmreed (Dec 2, 2008 02:39PM)
We looked at both and decided to carry Elsdon's because it seemed a little more flowing in instruction. Both are fine products and both will accomplish the end result.

Elsdons just seems "fresh and easier to watch" if that makes sense...
Message: Posted by: zgecko (Dec 2, 2008 10:06PM)
Mmreed,

Thank you for your comment! An interesting comparison. I have seen only the John George version--which struck me as being excellent.

Tom
Message: Posted by: Greg Arce (Dec 14, 2008 01:10AM)
Got the DVD. It's great! I have NEVER been able to solve a cube. I've been watching the DVD for the last couple of nights and trying the stuff on and off. I got two of the layers easily and have memorized those steps. I'm still struggling a bit with the top and last layer because I haven't learn the formulas yet.

However, having them written down in front of me I just follow them and have solved it several times now. IN no way am I a speed solver yet, but now I can actually see it as a possible outcome.

Kudos to John & Tyson for putting this out and having it be so easy to follow.

greg
Message: Posted by: Cody S. Fisher (Dec 14, 2008 05:16PM)
A review of BOTH DVD's...

I recently have become interested in the cube...primarily because my son became interested in it...anyway...he was so excited about this little puzzle that I wanted to teach it to him...but I had to learn first!

Anyway, started out with a "book" I purchased on Amazon...it had GREAT reviews...but it was not easy to follow! Next was the John George DVD...after watching it once then watching it again and taking some notes...I was able to solve the cube every time with no problems (with my cheat sheet)...I can not recommend this DVD enough...the teaching is perfect and EASY to understand.

Like Greg mentioned you will be able to solve the bottom side, first layer, second layer, and top side pretty quick. These can be solved with only two formulas and they are dead easy to memorize. It's the top layer that will require you to memorize 3 sets of formulas that consists of about 8 moves each. Again...certainly not difficult...but it will take some practice...it took me about a week of playing with this off and on...now they are like second nature to me and I am able to solve this puzzle in around 2 minutes every time without my cheat sheets!

The John George DVD will give you all you need to know to solve the cube...VERY highly recommended!

I also recently purchased the Rubik Remembered DVD. The method taught on this DVD is different from the method on the John George DVD. Personally I do not like this method and much and prefer the method on the John George DVD as you don't have to look at the cube as much and try to find the proper pieces and where they go. The Elsdon method certainly works...but for me it was a little more confusing and time consuming and required me to use more "logic" when solving the layers. The method on the John George DVD seems like a series of steps that you need to follow as opposed to trying to find piece with the proper colors? Not sure if any of this makes any sense...but this was just my impression of both DVD's.

So which is better overall? Well...if you just wanted to solve this puzzle (or teach you son to do it!) I would say the John George DVD would be better. However if you are looking for "tips and ideas" on how to perform this as a magic effect then you would be beneficial in looking at the Elsdon DVD as well as no performance information is given on the John George DVD on this topic.

I am really heistant to say that either is "better"...both methods work...The George version is more like a "series of steps that just work if followed" and the Elsdon version is more like a "logic problem that you have to reason out which pieces go where".

One man's opinion! Perhaps everyone should buy both and decide for yourself!

Take care friends,
Cody S. Fisher
Message: Posted by: pickled_chimp (Dec 15, 2008 03:02AM)
OK my tuppence on Rubik's Cube DVD's:

I really do not understand why you would pay ANYTHING for a DVD instructional on how to solve the Rubik's Cube. You get a little booklet now when you buy a Rubik's Cube that explains step by step how to solve it. I'm not always great with written instructions but still find them to be clear and concise. Many websites are also dedicated to teaching (with moving cubes images)you for FREE!

Even if you hate reading and do find it difficult there are unbelievable amounts (more than you would really need) of very good and clear VIDEO tutorials on YouTube that will not cost you a single penny.

Once you master the regular solve there are also free video tutorials on how to solve the Rubik's Cube blindfolded, I mean genuinely blindfolded without a peek or gaffed blindfold.

Everything you need is available for FREE, so I do not understand how people are selling any DVDs on Rubik's Cube solving? It really puzzles (pun intended) me???
Message: Posted by: e-man (Dec 16, 2008 01:06AM)
Patrick Redford did the most amazing thing I have seen with a Rubik's cube.
Message: Posted by: LLL (Dec 16, 2008 06:20AM)
[quote]
On 2008-12-16 02:06, e-man wrote:
Patrick Redford did the most amazing thing I have seen with a Rubik's cube.
[/quote]

Care to share? My imagination is very powerful :)
Message: Posted by: caigy (Dec 16, 2008 11:58AM)
I watched Mark Eldson's DVD for the first time last night...I feel like a real thicko!...I will persevere though, even if a few cubes end up flying through the window.
pickled-chimp I take on board what you are saying about buying DVD's and I will follow-up on the websites you mention but it was nice to watch and quickly replay each stage in the comfort of my living room, with a nice cold beer (Ahh! that's probably why I'm struggling with it!!) :) hic!

Paul Mc.
Message: Posted by: eb02 (Dec 18, 2008 06:00AM)
Does the DVD sold on B&N called Rubik's cubes you can do it and the DVD Rubik remembered are the same DVD's?
Message: Posted by: cfrye (Dec 18, 2008 06:30PM)
[quote]
On 2008-12-15 04:02, pickled_chimp wrote:

Everything you need is available for FREE, so I do not understand how people are selling any DVDs on Rubik's Cube solving? It really puzzles (pun intended) me???
[/quote]

For me it was a combination of time, money, and opportunity. I found out about John and Tyson's DVD package, realized the kit included an official Rubik's cube, and sprung for the $15.25 at Barnes & Noble. The cubes usually go for around $8 on sale, so the DVD only cost me another $7.25. If it would take me more than a few minutes to find tutorials or web sites I liked, then the extra cost would be worth it to me.

I also considered that John and Tyson's project is endorsed by the Rubik's people, which adds credibility to their publication.

If $15.25 makes a difference to you, and for a long time it would have for me, then by all means turn to YouTube and the web. If you can spend the money and prefer to learn from a higher-quality video, then buy the DVD.



Curt
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Dec 28, 2008 11:11PM)
I was in the Navy in 1981 with a guy who could solve a Rubiks Cube drunk out of his mind with his face in a plate full of mash potatos and gravy blowing bubbles through his nostrils and do it in less than a minute and a half, well less than a minute sober and without the potatos.
Message: Posted by: GarySumpter (Apr 25, 2009 01:09PM)
I'd like to see the video of that!
Message: Posted by: cpbartak (Apr 25, 2009 01:18PM)
[quote]
On 2008-12-16 07:20, mescalitoeyes wrote:
[quote]
On 2008-12-16 02:06, e-man wrote:
Patrick Redford did the most amazing thing I have seen with a Rubik's cube.
[/quote]

Care to share? My imagination is very powerful :)
[/quote]

here you go, no imagination required: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwZElGmWsUk&feature=PlayList&p=7783C7EF699632A6&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=2
Message: Posted by: Turk (Apr 25, 2009 05:57PM)
[quote]
On 2008-12-14 18:16, Cody S. Fisher wrote:
A review of BOTH DVD's...

***

So which is better overall? Well...if you just wanted to solve this puzzle (or teach you son to do it!) I would say the John George DVD would be better. However if you are looking for "tips and ideas" on how to perform this as a magic effect then you would be beneficial in looking at the Elsdon DVD as well as no performance information is given on the John George DVD on this topic.

I am really heistant to say that either is "better"...both methods work...The George version is more like a "series of steps that just work if followed" and the Elsdon version is more like a "logic problem that you have to reason out which pieces go where".

***

Cody S. Fisher
[/quote]

Confessions of a Rubik's Cube neophyte:

Like Curt Frye and others in this thread, I found the John George DVD to be excellent. (Discussion on the Mark Elsdon DVD follows later.)

With the John George DVD, I did have one rough spot but only because I shut the machine off 10 seconds too soon (after Tyson said "You have just completed solving... and I had not) and I did not hear Tyson giving a warning that the solve he had just demonstrated had a couple of exceptions or extra moves that needed to be applied sometimes (and which he then demonstrated). My bad; not his.

I haven't had the nerve to time myself yet but I find that applying the step-by-step instructions, you can "solve" the cube (and I have done so many times.) For practice, I'm trying to do at least 5 solves a day.

Frankly, I'm having difficulty reconciling in my mind that I actually solved the cube. I feel more like I'm performing a "paint a number" exercise and just filling in the blanks. Technically, it is a solve but I'm feeling something is missing. That said, I am satisfied that I have finally been able to solve the cube without removing the stickers and doing a "cut and paste" number on the cube. (grin)

I know that John George and others have stated that speed solving is possible and that they do so in approximately 30 seconds. I'm not certain that I have the energy, dedication or the mental acuity to be able to achieve the memorization of the algorithms or to recognize the spatial patterns that instantly will translate into certain dictated moves and actions. And, when I'm done, and if successful, will I then have the same let down feeling I described above--namely that I'm just applying rote memorization to a known situation...and acting accordingly?

I guess what I am feeling is being a "non-genius" and, as such, feeling let-down because I know in my heart of hearts that I could [i]never[/i] have solved the cube on my own if left to my own devices and logic. and it was only by following a 3rd party set of instructions that I am able to accomplish a "solve".

I just received the Mark Elsdon DVD and, compared to the John George DVD, it is the difference between night and day. While I characterize John George's method as a logical series of moves (i.e., a "paint-a-number" solve), just the brief look I have had of the Mark Elsdon DVD causes me, at first blush, to recognize a distinct difference in methodology.

Cody Fisher described Mark's method as "logic problem that you have to reason out which pieces go where". I would agree. In fact I would even charaterize Mark's method as "organic". (I hope that last comment made some sense.)

What I really appreciate about Mark's method is that he points out a piece that has to be moved and he then points out the location to where you'd need (and like) to move the piece. Mark then takes you step by step and shows you how to achieve [i]that type of move[/i]. And he repeats that series of moves more than one time. This is a very nice touch because you don't have to stop and keep resetting the DVD in order to once again follow [i]and learn[/i] the move. As a result, when you see that situation occurring during a cube solve, you hopefully will be able to recall the step-by-step that Mark demonstated and then you can apply that series of moves for that specific particular situation.

I haven't gotten into the Elsdon DVD that extensively yet, but, to the extent that I have, I like the approach. That said, I'm thinking that I will find the Elsdon approach more difficult to learn.

My intuitive sense (and my hope) is that, after spending appreciable time with both DVDs and both methods, that I find myself automatically combining the "best of both worlds" and doing a "jazz" solve on my own. (i.e., A little of this...and a little of that.)

In sum, I like both DVDs. They each have a distinct teaching style and both styles are good and both are recommended. I think that if you wish to just solve the da*m cube, then the John George DVD will be easier to follow. If you want to visualize certain moves and understand how and why they work, then I'd give the nod to the Mark Elsdon DVD.

I hope the foregoing made some sense.

Just IMHO; your mileage may vary.

Mike

P.S. Then, after all is said and done, there is then that "speed solve" thing.....
Message: Posted by: Kevinr (Apr 25, 2009 06:05PM)
[quote]
On 2008-11-14 14:15, Psychic Samurai wrote:
I find it hard to believe they can do any cube in less than 20 seconds :)
[/quote]

You actually take the entire cub apart and lube it then put it back together it works smoother that way...
Message: Posted by: TonyB2009 (Apr 25, 2009 06:34PM)
I remember when the cubes first came out in the late seventies or early eighties my brother was obsessed with solving one. He bought a few books on the cube, and could eventually do it. Then my youngest brother picked it up, and solved it first time in under 40 seconds. It put my older brother in his place. But then my younger brother had (still has) an IQ of 160 and a semi-photographic memory.
Interesting to see they are still around.
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Apr 25, 2009 06:52PM)
I've just seen mark eldson do his rubix cube blindfolded routine at the london tabula mentis about 4 hours ago...fantastic...nice guy too...well worth getting his dvd...