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Topic: Is this legal??
Message: Posted by: MarkTirone (Dec 3, 2008 02:59PM)
Hey. I was thinking about going to Kinkos and copying my dollar bill for a mismade bill trick. I want to copy the bill on both sides of the same piece of paper so that one corner is folded down almost covering one entire serial number. Would this be illegal to do?
Message: Posted by: Rizzo (Dec 3, 2008 03:46PM)
Mark, why not just use your own printer/copier? I'd imagine people at Kinkos seeing you do what you described above can cause a problem no?
Message: Posted by: Michael Peterson (Dec 3, 2008 05:49PM)
I would be careful about this, some copy machines shut down if you try to copy money on them & a service person has to come & unlock the machine.



Mike
Message: Posted by: MarkTirone (Dec 3, 2008 09:52PM)
We have one of the old 1990 copy machines with the waxy paper. The kind that parts are no longer sold for lol. It broke haha. So yea, I can't do it on my own. plus it was only black and white.
Message: Posted by: mrunge (Dec 3, 2008 10:21PM)
Mike, that could have been entertaining in itself to see Mark trying to explain why the machine he was using to copy currency locked up!

Mark. :bg:
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (Dec 3, 2008 11:08PM)
Kinko's is pretty fussy. I'd look for dome small outfit that has a machine.
Message: Posted by: Sam Sandler (Dec 3, 2008 11:33PM)
Here are the facts as I remember them when I spoke with the treasury dept years ago.

[b]Yes[/b], it's illegal, sort of!

If you do photocopy it, you can, as long as you enlarge it by double its size, or copy it in Black & White, or print the front on one page and then the back on another page. I would strongly caution you about printing it in full color and at the same size. The reason they recently changed the look of the 5, 10 and 20 is to stay ahead of counterfeiters. The new bills are much harder to counterfeit.

If you need any other info, just ask.
Good luck,

Sam
Message: Posted by: MarkTirone (Dec 4, 2008 02:47PM)
Even if I am making a distorted image of the bill It cannot be done?
Message: Posted by: mrunge (Dec 4, 2008 09:46PM)
A distorted image is probably fine. Just don't try to make one look "real" or you're asking for trouble. Anything that is copied that looks, even remotely, like it could be spent or mistaken for a genuine bill could possibly get you in trouble. I really don't think you'd want to meet the guys who would end up talking with you. It would really ruin your day.

That said...good luck!

Mark.
Message: Posted by: Father Photius (Dec 4, 2008 10:15PM)
Anything you print that might possibly pass as real money, and could possibly be abused, if the Treasury Dept finds out about it, you will be meeting people from the Secret Service and the U.S. Attorney's office. Do not expect them to be magic fans. Besides the commercially available mismade bill isn't all that expensive and you won't end up trying to explain it to the judge.
Message: Posted by: mrunge (Dec 4, 2008 10:30PM)
Yep...Father knows best!

Mark. :innocent:
Message: Posted by: Stucky (Dec 28, 2008 09:15PM)
As for mis-made bills, you can buy sheets of un-cut money and make your own bills out of real currency.
Message: Posted by: Dynamike (Dec 29, 2008 02:38AM)
Mark, I would save money by either buying a Mismade Bill or a color printer. They are both less than paying bail and attorney fees.
Message: Posted by: MarkTirone (Dec 29, 2008 12:34PM)
Ye it looks like this trick is goig nowhere so I might just drop it or do a version of Jay Sankey's mismade monopoly or something.

Thanks

-Mark Tirone
Message: Posted by: Dynamike (Dec 29, 2008 02:11PM)
We hope you the best of luck, especially for the new year.
Message: Posted by: jocdoc (Dec 30, 2008 01:18AM)
You can purchase sheets of $1 bills directly from the Bureau of Engraving and Printing. Here is the link: http://www.moneyfactory.gov/store/section.cfm/69/83

Be sure to use a straight edge whilst cutting the bills. You can buy a sheet of 32 bills and cut them down. $55 for the sheet and this will yield 12 mismade bills. Brings your cost to under $5 per mismade bill. You can sell the extra bills to your magician friends and cover your costs!
Message: Posted by: MiketheMagicDude (Jan 1, 2009 02:28AM)
Devil's advocate...?

is it illegal if you print with no intention to use as a medium of exchange?
Message: Posted by: AaronishMagic (Jan 1, 2009 01:17PM)
It's not, but so does many other magic prop. As long as you don't use this...
Message: Posted by: nathanallen (Jan 16, 2009 01:11PM)
I don't think you'll need a big fancy color copier to do this work - Just stop by your local electronics shop and pick up one of those all-in-one printer/copier/scanner machines. Scan the bill in, high resolution, and then use your favorite graphics program to make any changes.

If you're nervous about making copies, just change the "this note is legal tender" part of the bill to say something else - something blatantly obvious about it being fake - something that even the Dept. of the Treasury wouldn't waste time on.... Like... "This is not a chicken tender", or something stupid like that. Maybe make the face a bit Picasso. And don't leave the bills too crisp; I like to crumple them up repeatedly to give them a bit of a worn look.

I made scans of postal stamps, to stick on "these just arrived today" envelopes, and I too was a little paranoid about the legal issues, so I made tiny changes to the stamps. They look real from a few feet away, but close inspection will reveal about 5 different cracks in the Liberty Bell, and instead of "Forever" it says "Fake-ever."

With inexpensive fake bills, you can put them through a paper shredder, set them on fire visibly, eat them, etc. They're a lot of fun, even around the house. I'll never forget my friend's face when I lit a cigar with a burning $100 bill.

Good luck.
Message: Posted by: mayniac (Jan 19, 2009 02:15PM)
There is a method of making a mismade bill that a spectator can keep on Andrew Mayne's Twisted DVD.
Message: Posted by: Montana Santa (Jan 30, 2009 10:54PM)
I thought I'd copy some bills of the treasury internet site to rearrange as Santa money for my routines... guess who showed up at my door. Got a lecture pretty much what you've discussed here, change the size or make it an obvious phoney.
Mine has my photo instead of whoever on them.
Message: Posted by: marty.sasaki (Feb 5, 2009 06:32PM)
This could be hilarious. Not only is the bill mismade, but it has Hillary Clinton's face on it (or yours). There could be a lesson such as, don't mess with the US Treasury or something similar.
Message: Posted by: GWSchott (Apr 3, 2009 07:58AM)
I was recently trying to make some mini bills for a miniature wallet and went to one of the large, chain copy centers to do it. The full color machine they used somehow recognized the bill I was trying to copy as currency and wouldn't copy it. I think your biggest hurdle isn't convincing the person behind the counter to do it - especially if you can prove you're a magician first - but getting the dumb machine to work!
Message: Posted by: Mach (Apr 4, 2009 05:17AM)
Is this illegal in UK ? Im considering photocopying a note to save cutting one up for Nightshades by Paul Harris ?
Message: Posted by: Douglas Lippert (Apr 4, 2009 03:08PM)
A lot of machines will not let you photocopy money. Someone gave me a good link for play money.

http://www.hasbro.com/games/kid-games/monopoly/images/money/monopoly-money-twenty-dollar.pdf

Doug L.
Message: Posted by: abrell (Apr 5, 2009 12:16PM)
There are some collectors of money bills who show their collections on their websites... The resolution of the scans is good enough for magic but not good enough for counterfeits. Download the jpg´s and make your own stage money. Antique bills and foreign currency can offer new possibilities for a magic act.
Message: Posted by: Sammy J. (Apr 5, 2009 10:12PM)
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On 2008-12-30 02:18, jocdoc wrote:
You can purchase sheets of $1 bills directly from the Bureau of Engraving and Printing. Here is the link: http://www.moneyfactory.gov/store/section.cfm/69/83

Be sure to use a straight edge whilst cutting the bills. You can buy a sheet of 32 bills and cut them down. $55 for the sheet and this will yield 12 mismade bills. Brings your cost to under $5 per mismade bill. You can sell the extra bills to your magician friends and cover your costs!
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I was actually able to get 18 usable mismade bills from one sheet. I took the sheet to a Kinko's and asked the manager if I could use their roller cutter. I think it depends on the manager at your local Kinko's, but she let me do the cuts for no charge. To show her my gratitude, when I was finished I turned a one into a mismade one, and left it with her. A cheap way to leave a lasting impression!
Message: Posted by: abrell (Apr 7, 2009 01:28PM)
Here is a link to a website with scans of money bills: http://aes.iupui.edu/rwise/default.htm

Especially the antique bills are very fascinating...storytelling magicians and the lovers of bizarre magick will surely put them to good use...