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Topic: Card Help!
Message: Posted by: wikiro (Apr 25, 2003 06:29PM)
I am now at the stage where I can back palm 30 Bicycle cards and produce them in a way to look like a full deck or a little over. All I need to figure out now is what to do with the other hand? I know one-hand cuts and shuffles but to me those are old and lame. No one likes a show off. :shrug:

I was thinking maybe coins or balls... oh wait you know what would be good :idea: GIANT CARDS. Anyone know where I could find some videos or books on the topic? I would perfer videos though because so far books are up to my knees and the knowledge in and out my ears. :mad: I read through Royal Road to Card magic and loved it, then I went to Modern Coin Magic and Expert Card Technique. :hrmph: Brain Freeze.
Message: Posted by: -The Scot- (Apr 26, 2003 04:39PM)
Coins, Thimbles or Billiard Balls?

If either (or all [I know you don't have 4 hands]), you're in luck my friend. 'World Class Manipulation' by Jeff McBride. Volume 3 covers backpalm coin productions and split fans with coins (it is a different method guys— I don't want you breaking your pinky trying to split coins).
Message: Posted by: Magic_streak (Apr 30, 2003 08:02AM)
I don't want you breaking your pinky trying to split coins.

:rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:
Message: Posted by: aznviet6uy (May 1, 2003 12:40AM)
WOW Wikiro!! 30 BIKE CARDS!!?? That's amazing, especially Bikes. They are hard to manipulate with because of the white edges. What is your secret? Can you teach me how you prepare the cards?

Most people use Bees to do card manipulations because they are easy to break and the red edges hide them. If you can do 30 Bikes I just want to know how, because they are thicker than Bees and I can only do 25-28 Bees (moving up by the way) but with 30 Bikes, that's like 40 Bees and I've been doing this for 9 years.

Thanks for the help in advance!!!

Message: Posted by: -The Scot- (May 1, 2003 10:15AM)
Maybe he means he can clip 30 in the Back Palm position, if no edges (or even little edge) is shown I will be amazed!

I too would love to hear your secret ;)

(Maybe PM me?)
Message: Posted by: wikiro (May 8, 2003 03:24PM)
HAHAHA aznviet6uy I'm actually glad you think I am good at card manipulation but actually I show the edge but I wave my hand to cover it. I use Bycicle to get the hand understanding down when I use white gloves. Nothing big. When I do perform (show off I guess is the best way of describing it) I use Bee brand. I'm guessing I'm doing it all wrong no edge at all is suppose to show? I thought waving your hand was a good cover. It isn't?
Message: Posted by: maylor (May 9, 2003 12:17PM)
You can also use your thumb to cover the top edges. Works well with a slow waving. Make sure the waves look natural though.
Message: Posted by: Magictrickster (May 11, 2003 05:50PM)
Why use such thick cards?

A good deck of manipulation cards will mean you can use a full deck. Murphy's magic has a good type which will be available from many magic dealers, and if you can backpalm 30 bikes then you'll be able to do it with a full deck of those. They aren't too bad for fans and flourishes either.

I guess using thicker cards for practicing is a good idea, though, as it then makes thinner cards much easier to use. (I do actually practise card stuff with bikes.)

Message: Posted by: wikiro (May 17, 2003 09:20PM)
If I use normal cards I can borrow a deck and just perform.
Message: Posted by: ebyrne (May 22, 2003 03:10PM)
Yes, but if you are doing manipulation, do you often borrow cards?
Message: Posted by: wikiro (May 23, 2003 04:05PM)
If I want to.
Message: Posted by: templemagic (Jun 7, 2003 02:03PM)

I like Murphy's Magic manipulation cards a lot. They have everything a deck of manipulation cards needs.

I think they are available from http://www.brtmagic.co.uk

Hope this helps,
Message: Posted by: wikiro (Jun 7, 2003 08:56PM)
I don't use trick decks.
Message: Posted by: Kallak (Jun 8, 2003 09:08AM)
While I don't really see manipulation cards as a trick deck, continuing on would be pulling the conversation off-track.

That said, I think that you should do card manipulation with your other hand also. If one hand is doing backpalm productions, then there's no reason why the other can't be doing snap productions, or perfect productions, etc...

You can always do thimbles and such once you've done a nice little card routine. Manipulating one type of object after another.

That's me anyway.

Message: Posted by: wikiro (Jun 8, 2003 10:34PM)
I know exactly what I must do andguess what it was in my face the whole time. I feel like an idiot. HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! :band:

Message: Posted by: -The Scot- (Jun 9, 2003 10:17AM)
What have you to do then??

Message: Posted by: wikiro (Jun 11, 2003 03:16AM)
Secret hehe
Message: Posted by: maylor (Jun 11, 2003 11:37AM)
Shouldn't the other hand be used to concentrate the focus of the audience on the hand doing the productions? Otherwise it will just distract from the productions etc.

Unless you're doing twin hand productions of course.
Message: Posted by: -The Scot- (Jun 11, 2003 01:13PM)
Good point Maylor, I never have 2 productions simultaneously going on, if the other hand is producing cards - my opposite hand freezes so the attention is on the hand doing the magic... the only exception is the front hand split, where I am splitting the left hand cards as I look at the right hand fan...

What do you think wikiro?
Message: Posted by: wikiro (Jun 11, 2003 09:33PM)
I have a plan that's a secret hehe if I get big you'll see it.
Message: Posted by: maylor (Jun 13, 2003 12:35PM)
Looking forward to it Wikiro.