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Topic: One of the Best Card Tricks I've seen in a Long, Long, Long Time.
Message: Posted by: Eddini_81976 (Jan 31, 2009 04:50AM)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QL_ImyYVqE
Message: Posted by: Josh the Superfluous (Jan 31, 2009 05:29AM)
Very cool. Good find.
Message: Posted by: korttihai_82 (Jan 31, 2009 06:43AM)
Tamariz triple coincidence ruined with juggling... Horrible... Watch Tamariz original instead http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFjBUDdB3dY

J-M
Message: Posted by: JamesTong (Jan 31, 2009 06:51AM)
Very nice. Thanks for sharing the link.
Message: Posted by: Eddini_81976 (Jan 31, 2009 07:49AM)
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On 2009-01-31 07:43, korttihai_82 wrote:
Tamariz triple coincidence ruined with juggling... Horrible... Watch Tamariz original instead http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFjBUDdB3dY

J-M
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Thanks I'm NOT agreeing with per se as I thought it was good, but though it mentioned Juan Tamariz, I didn't know the name of the effect, or where to find the original, so thanks for the link, I'll watch it now, Ed, (Eddini), C.H.
Message: Posted by: Eddini_81976 (Jan 31, 2009 08:07AM)
Yes better, but the other was still good. The originals for the most part are always better so my friend is Jesus, ROCK THE **** ON ... Oooowww !!! Ed, (Eddini), C.H.
Message: Posted by: manks123 (Jan 31, 2009 10:55PM)
Sweet both videos are awesome

Stefan
Message: Posted by: michaelmystic2003 (Jan 31, 2009 10:56PM)
Isn't Triple Coincidence a John Scarne effect? I'm certain that I saw it in Stars of Magic or something.
Message: Posted by: Chris SD (Jan 31, 2009 11:40PM)
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On 2009-01-31 07:43, korttihai_82 wrote:
Tamariz triple coincidence ruined with juggling... Horrible... Watch Tamariz original instead http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFjBUDdB3dY

J-M
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That was what I thought as soon as she started putting the reds away lol.

Triple Coincidence with someone jacking off all over the table for five minutes.
Message: Posted by: RamonT (Jan 31, 2009 11:50PM)
The first video was terrible,i hate it.

On the other hand,The leaving legend made my day,Bravo! Tamariz.
Message: Posted by: NurseRob (Jan 31, 2009 11:56PM)
First impression of the first video was WOW young lady with nice hands, and a beautiful trick with nice music. Then I watch the second video with a wild crazy guy in a purple tophat screaming in french surrounded by hot french girls..I have to say I appreciated the first video a bit more. At least I was able to keep my attention on the cards easier.
Message: Posted by: Chris SD (Jan 31, 2009 11:59PM)
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On 2009-02-01 00:56, NoVaCain wrote:
First impression of the first video was WOW young lady with nice hands, and a beautiful trick with nice music. Then I watch the second video with a wild crazy guy in a purple tophat screaming in french surrounded by hot french girls..I have to say I appreciated the first video a bit more. At least I was able to keep my attention on the cards easier.
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Gee whiz, you don't think... Maybe the language barrier... No, the fact that you most likely don't Spanish couldn't possibly have anything to do with it.

Still, I am the first to admit that Tamariz is not for everyone; I personally don't care that much for him, even when he performs in English.
Message: Posted by: Josh the Superfluous (Feb 1, 2009 06:24AM)
I liked the first one better as well. I thought the "juggling" actually added to the impossibility. Maybe If I knew the inner workings I'd see it was extra fluff. But I liked it. I didn't dislike Tamariz. If I were to perform it, my presentation would probably be more like his, only quieter.
Message: Posted by: professorwhut (Feb 1, 2009 09:51AM)
Normally I do not like card juggling either. However, I found it very nice in this routine.
Juan Tamariz can be a bit off the chart at times, he certainly is brilliant.
Message: Posted by: James Alan (Feb 1, 2009 10:39AM)
The moral of the story is that in the Tamariz version, there were people there... people who stood up and clapped.
Message: Posted by: Josh the Superfluous (Feb 1, 2009 10:57AM)
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On 2009-02-01 11:39, James Alan wrote:
The moral of the story is that in the Tamariz version, there were people there... people who stood up and clapped.
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More people have seen David Blaine than have even heard of Dai Vernon. The Juggly YouTube video has been viewed close to 2000 times. I would have clapped if the performer could have heard. Your moral is lost on me.
Message: Posted by: NurseRob (Feb 1, 2009 12:00PM)
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On 2009-02-01 00:59, Chris SD wrote:
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On 2009-02-01 00:56, NoVaCain wrote:
First impression of the first video was WOW young lady with nice hands, and a beautiful trick with nice music. Then I watch the second video with a wild crazy guy in a purple tophat screaming in french surrounded by hot french girls..I have to say I appreciated the first video a bit more. At least I was able to keep my attention on the cards easier.
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Gee whiz, you don't think... Maybe the language barrier... No, the fact that you most likely don't Spanish couldn't possibly have anything to do with it.

Still, I am the first to admit that Tamariz is not for everyone; I personally don't care that much for him, even when he performs in English.
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Okay I get it, don't bite my head off...
French...Spanish.... It's all Greek to me! The girls were still hot though, that and the yelling..very strong misdirection. I was not intending to offend any Tamariz sensabilities, merely stating a preference of 2 videos.
Message: Posted by: echomagic (Feb 1, 2009 12:47PM)
Could someone let me know what they consider the best source to learn "Triple Coincidence"? Thanks in advance.
Message: Posted by: magico (Feb 1, 2009 02:23PM)
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On 2009-01-31 23:56, Michaelmystic2003 wrote:
Isn't Triple Coincidence a John Scarne effect? I'm certain that I saw it in Stars of Magic or something.
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You are correct. John Scarne's effect is Triple Coincidence and appeared in Stars Of Magic. Juan's effect is called Total Coincidence and appears in his book Sonata.
Message: Posted by: Greg Arce (Feb 1, 2009 03:09PM)
Triple Coincidence is in Stars of Magic, but it's not the same effect. In Triple you had the spectator a red deck and you have a blue deck. Each of you randomly cut to a card in your decks three times and exchange them with each other.

Now when you spread your deck and pull out his three stranger cards and he does the same with his deck, they will find that you each exchanged the same cards... like you gave him the 3 of Hearts, 4 of Diamonds and Jack of Clubs and he gave you those three cards too. You can do this so that each of you have "randomly" given each other the aces.

I believe Juan's effect is closer to a Paul Curry idea that allows you to suddenly matched piles of cards that have been shown to not have matches.

Greg
Message: Posted by: Greg Arce (Feb 1, 2009 03:10PM)
Oops, by the way, Juan's effect involves a more extensive set up while Scarne's can be practically done while fiddling with the two decks. You can easily work Scarne's into a walkaround gig because it doesn't require too much to set up and you can practically set it up in front of them as you end the effect.

greg
Message: Posted by: Thomas Kwon (Feb 1, 2009 03:59PM)
Sorry. what was the point of the first video?
Second video was better by about 10 thousand times.
Maybe for the first video, if she cut out the juggling and put in some spectator and patter, maybe then it'd be watchable.
Message: Posted by: Josh Chaikin (Feb 1, 2009 04:43PM)
Well, I must say that I wasn't overwhelmed by the video. Admittedly, I am a Tamariz fan, so I am biased. That being said, I love the Total Coincidence effect, and haven't broken it out yet because I haven't found a presentation that I'm happy with yet. She's found one that works, if only in a video (but it would certainly work with patter running along the same premise). Having said that, I do agree that the XCM does not add to the effect at all, and is grossly out of place as it lacks any sense of congruency.

I do applaud her for finding an original premise that works for her though.
Message: Posted by: Josh the Superfluous (Feb 1, 2009 08:54PM)
I just checked out her YouTube page. If you ever run into her at a convention, make sure you all mention how much she sucked.

http://www.youtube.com/user/BaByCatXD
Message: Posted by: NurseRob (Feb 1, 2009 10:25PM)
Thanks for the additional link..the more I see of her work the more I'm impressed. Why is it so hard not to just appreciate what she is offering up. She is a young lady with obvious talent, can't that be enough?

Now this guy is one to watch..he is only 3 weeks into magic but you will soon see the raw potential there!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8k5jcGwjVKw
Message: Posted by: Harlequin (Feb 2, 2009 05:44AM)
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On 2009-02-01 00:59, Chris SD wrote:
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On 2009-02-01 00:56, NoVaCain wrote:
First impression of the first video was WOW young lady with nice hands, and a beautiful trick with nice music. Then I watch the second video with a wild crazy guy in a purple tophat screaming in french surrounded by hot french girls..I have to say I appreciated the first video a bit more. At least I was able to keep my attention on the cards easier.
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Gee whiz, you don't think... Maybe the language barrier... No, the fact that you most likely don't Spanish couldn't possibly have anything to do with it.

Still, I am the first to admit that Tamariz is not for everyone; I personally don't care that much for him, even when he performs in English.
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He was actually speaking French.

The first video showed elegant card manipulation, but for me was just boring to watch. I appreciated the performers ability, but was not really entertained.
Tamariz performed good magic and was entertaining as well. In my opinion of course.
Message: Posted by: professorwhut (Feb 2, 2009 08:21AM)
Is Sonata out of print?
I cannot seem to find it anywhere.
Message: Posted by: magico (Feb 2, 2009 09:49AM)
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On 2009-02-02 09:21, professorwhut wrote:
Is Sonata out of print?
I cannot seem to find it anywhere.
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Yes, it is out of print.
Message: Posted by: magico563 (Feb 2, 2009 10:01AM)
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On 2009-02-01 21:54, Josh the Superfluous wrote:
I just checked out her YouTube page. If you ever run into her at a convention, make sure you all mention how much she sucked.

http://www.youtube.com/user/BaByCatXD
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She didn't 'suck' at all. I wouldn't be able to do any of the stuff she was pulling off in that video or any of her others. She is talented so why cant you accept it?

Yes you might not have enjoyed it but you know full well she is good at what she dose.

Tom.
Message: Posted by: professorwhut (Feb 2, 2009 10:44AM)
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On 2009-02-02 10:49, magico wrote:
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On 2009-02-02 09:21, professorwhut wrote:
Is Sonata out of print?
I cannot seem to find it anywhere.
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Yes, it is out of print.
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Bummer, I may try and find a used copy.
Thanks.
Message: Posted by: Josh Chaikin (Feb 2, 2009 02:58PM)
Sonata pops up on eBay and the Café from time to time. I picked it up on eBay a couple of years ago for $60 (which is quite a bit lower than what it normally sells for).

On the other hand, if you're willing to wait, Stephen Minch is reprinting Tamariz's books. There's no hard timeline set, but Sonata and Magic Way will be coming out eventually.
Message: Posted by: Josh the Superfluous (Feb 2, 2009 05:35PM)
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On 2009-02-02 11:01, magico563 wrote:
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On 2009-02-01 21:54, Josh the Superfluous wrote:
I just checked out her YouTube page. If you ever run into her at a convention, make sure you all mention how much she sucked.

http://www.youtube.com/user/BaByCatXD
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She didn't 'suck' at all. I wouldn't be able to do any of the stuff she was pulling off in that video or any of her others. She is talented so why cant you accept it?

Yes you might not have enjoyed it but you know full well she is good at what she dose.

Tom.
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Um Tom, I said I liked it, repeatedly. I was making a joke about the guys who were complaining, after I went to her page and saw that she was cute as well. They bashed her behind her back after seeing just her hands, I doubt they would be as critical to her face.
Message: Posted by: Jimeh (Feb 2, 2009 10:08PM)
I finally read this thread and it turns out y'all are talking about my friend Kate from Montreal LOL!
Yeah she can do some pretty amazing stuff with a deck of cards.
When McBride came to Ottawa a while back she was doing card manipulations for him.

All I have to say is you should have seen his face. ;)
Message: Posted by: Josh the Superfluous (Feb 2, 2009 10:50PM)
Ask her to join the Café.
Message: Posted by: MarceloElGrande (Feb 2, 2009 11:09PM)
Thanks Eddini!!!
I LOVE BabyCatXD

Marcelo
BabyCatXD new fan
Message: Posted by: Clark (Feb 3, 2009 09:29AM)
I could care less about the performer being male or female – who cares?

I disliked it immensely, but I suppose it is all about what one is trying to convey in one’s performance.

In the Tamariz original Juan created an effect that is unambiguously inexplicable. The largest percentage of the handling (shuffling) of the cards is actually performed by the audience. Ask yourself why that is? Answer: To increase the impossibility of the effect by removing himself from the equation. Simon Aronson made a noteworthy observation when he stated, “There’s a world of difference between not knowing HOW something was done, and knowing that something simply CAN’T be done.” Juan’s effect is constructed perfectly in everyway to create a moment of magic while avoiding the appearance of mastery. He removes the possibility of him being the ‘method’ by apparently doing very little besides just being present. Tamariz is a genius at removing all possible paths of reconstruction in his work.

Creating the appearance of “magic” and creating the appearance of “mastery” are two completely different things, but the two are all too often confused by the practitioners. If a body wants to display mastery and overtly claim one’s self as the method for what just took place that is fine, I’m not knocking anyone’s creative freedom, but to take this sort of approach to Juan’s masterpiece, to me, is, well…not understanding why he constructed the effect the way he did in the first place.

You are basically taking a perfect impossibility and (i) detracting from the clarity of it and (ii) screaming that you can do just about anything with a pack of cards that you’d like. The spectator has no choice but to view you as the method, you are forcing them to.
Message: Posted by: Bertrand Thornley (Feb 3, 2009 10:18PM)
I thought it was beautiful. Most people would pay good money to watch her do that. A magical card ballet. Wonderful. I bet anything she could do the magic just as well straight, without the flourishing. She is still very young. I wish her well.
Message: Posted by: RamonT (Feb 3, 2009 10:35PM)
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On 2009-02-03 10:29, Clark wrote:
I could care less about the performer being male or female – who cares?

I disliked it immensely, but I suppose it is all about what one is trying to convey in one’s performance.

In the Tamariz original Juan created an effect that is unambiguously inexplicable. The largest percentage of the handling (shuffling) of the cards is actually performed by the audience. Ask yourself why that is? Answer: To increase the impossibility of the effect by removing himself from the equation. Simon Aronson made a noteworthy observation when he stated, “There’s a world of difference between not knowing HOW something was done, and knowing that something simply CAN’T be done.” Juan’s effect is constructed perfectly in everyway to create a moment of magic while avoiding the appearance of mastery. He removes the possibility of him being the ‘method’ by apparently doing very little besides just being present. Tamariz is a genius at removing all possible paths of reconstruction in his work.

Creating the appearance of “magic” and creating the appearance of “mastery” are two completely different things, but the two are all too often confused by the practitioners. If a body wants to display mastery and overtly claim one’s self as the method for what just took place that is fine, I’m not knocking anyone’s creative freedom, but to take this sort of approach to Juan’s masterpiece, to me, is, well…not understanding why he constructed the effect the way he did in the first place.

You are basically taking a perfect impossibility and (i) detracting from the clarity of it and (ii) screaming that you can do just about anything with a pack of cards that you’d like. The spectator has no choice but to view you as the method, you are forcing them to.
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Excellent post.I agree with it entirely.
Message: Posted by: Miraclemakers (Feb 5, 2009 04:08AM)
That's cool man....
Message: Posted by: Eddini_81976 (Feb 5, 2009 05:47AM)
Thanks, yes she's awesome, Ed, (Eddini), C.H.
Message: Posted by: Eddini_81976 (Feb 5, 2009 06:52AM)
I has though it was gut too. She Rocks on though with her prettyfeet "Badself". Take Care, God Bless, Peace & What? I said WHAT? Love, Ed, (Eddini), C.H.
Message: Posted by: Mr.Crebar (Feb 5, 2009 02:48PM)
Very Talented
Message: Posted by: NurseRob (Feb 5, 2009 08:18PM)
After careful consideration of the opposing viewpoint, I am now vasilating between indecision and indifference...and swiftly becoming apathetic to the entire debate. Can we at least agree that the young lady is hot, and she does magic, and that is cool?
Message: Posted by: Clark (Feb 6, 2009 11:24PM)
2 things that this thread makes painfully obvious:

1) many here do not know the difference between constructive criticism and bashing.

2) even more need a date in the worst kinda of way.
Message: Posted by: Picard (Feb 7, 2009 02:42PM)
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On 2009-01-31 07:43, korttihai_82 wrote:
Tamariz triple coincidence ruined with juggling... Horrible... Watch Tamariz original instead http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFjBUDdB3dY

J-M
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Why ruined?
She wasn't trying to record an actual performance as it would be done in front of the spectators, but rather tell a nice story (of search for her soulmate) which fits nicely with Tamariz's effect, elegant flourishing which she is quite skilled at and nice music.

I don't understand why do you provide Tamariz's performance, these 2 types of videos have absolutely nothing to do with each other...
Message: Posted by: Chad Long (Feb 7, 2009 04:47PM)
Clearly, she's talented. It may not be everyone's cup o' tea, but it's refreshing to see her take a very strong trick of Tamariz and adapt it to fit her style. Isn't that what it's all about?

PS: Just watched the Tamariz clip...another BRILLIANT performance...the man is a true genius!
Message: Posted by: Picard (Feb 7, 2009 06:09PM)
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On 2009-02-07 17:47, Chad Long wrote:
Clearly, she's talented. It may not be everyone's cup o' tea, but it's refreshing to see her take a very strong trick of Tamariz and adapt it to fit her style. Isn't that what it's all about?

PS: Just watched the Tamariz clip...another BRILLIANT performance...the man is a true genius!
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Speaking of Tamariz's performance, am I the only one who has found his performance VERY annoying?

Don't get me wrong, I highly respect Tamariz as an artist and creator (I own Sonata) and think he has some nice stuff but his performing style with all the screams and childish behavior is simply not my piece of cake.
Message: Posted by: landmark (Feb 8, 2009 08:32PM)
Artistic, yes. Magical, not too much.

I don't know if she's an entertaining performer, but she certainly made an entertaining video.
Message: Posted by: Eddini_81976 (Feb 10, 2009 08:12AM)
Killer routine I love the audience Interaction.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGHr9JEdbtY

Ed, (Eddini), C.H.