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Topic: Become a better guitar player in one easy lesson
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Feb 10, 2009 04:30PM)
I found this great link teaching the Elvis tune "Mystery Train" in easy to understand terms...but the great part is he really goes into detail about using the "slapback" echo effect, and explains some really cool trivia about the history of the whole echo effect..

Fascinating!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7gii-9lVtg&feature=related
Message: Posted by: Justin Style (Feb 10, 2009 06:28PM)
Cool stuff.

I tried to learn guitar, I bought the Esteban package and practiced for about 6 - 7 months. But my fingers got all calus'd and it was getting in the way of my sleight-of-hand.

But I do love the guitar and music, overall.


Les Paul is a New Jersey guy!
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Feb 10, 2009 07:31PM)
The calluses are supposed to happen! Some people get blisters at first, but most folks develop happy little calluses. These are good because with them, you can play for hours without pain.

But as for Esteban, speaking privily, he is not accorded the most respect among guitar circles...

But if he helped you, that is all that matters.
Message: Posted by: Tom Bartlett (Feb 10, 2009 08:16PM)
Doug,

That is priceless, but definitely not for the beginners! I love the way he explains the theory without going over my head, it made me tune my guitar and practice.

Tom
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Feb 10, 2009 10:40PM)
I wasn't thinking it was for beginners. But for the intermediate player, it is not too bad.

I just love hearing about the history of these things! Chet and Les Paul were both innovators, pioneers, not only in their playing style and technique. But they innovated in the sheer electronics involved in the guitar and amplification systems.
These men [b]designed[/b] guitars and amplifiers when most of us were a twinkle in our daddy's eye!

Without them, guitar would still be in the Flintstone's time.



I've always been partial to Rick Allred's version...he gets a great slapback effect. Real nice tone...heavy beat:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9RgjXArT04

Not to mention Rick is a great magician! Even taught Chet some effects!
Message: Posted by: Review King (Feb 10, 2009 11:09PM)
Here's Scotty Moore ( Elvis guitar player and the man who made Mystery Train ) & Eric Clapton :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nz0boA0BFo

Esteban:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kszwZXF4Eok&feature=related
Message: Posted by: EsnRedshirt (Feb 10, 2009 11:21PM)
Hey- I've been thinking of picking up the guitar. I took piano and drum lessons as a kid, but didn't stick with either. Now, after playing some Guitar Hero World Tour, I think it's time to take music lessons again.

I'm leaning towards bass guitar. What would you guitar players recommend? (Note- I need a left-handed guitar. So much for borrowing one from my in-laws as I'd originally planned...)
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Feb 11, 2009 05:06AM)
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On 2009-02-11 00:21, EsnRedshirt wrote:
Hey- I've been thinking of picking up the guitar. I took piano and drum lessons as a kid, but didn't stick with either. Now, after playing some Guitar Hero World Tour, I think it's time to take music lessons again.

I'm leaning towards bass guitar. What would you guitar players recommend? (Note- I need a left-handed guitar. So much for borrowing one from my in-laws as I'd originally planned...)
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I've never played bass, so I can't really say...
Message: Posted by: Review King (Feb 11, 2009 06:41AM)
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On 2009-02-11 00:21, EsnRedshirt wrote:
Hey- I've been thinking of picking up the guitar. I took piano and drum lessons as a kid, but didn't stick with either. Now, after playing some Guitar Hero World Tour, I think it's time to take music lessons again.

I'm leaning towards bass guitar. What would you guitar players recommend? (Note- I need a left-handed guitar. So much for borrowing one from my in-laws as I'd originally planned...)
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Tye top ( thickest ) 4 strings of the guitar are the same ( not in thickness ) as the bass. So...learn guitar and you will be able to learn bass.

Get a decent guitar so that it stays in tune, etc.
Message: Posted by: kregg (Feb 11, 2009 07:04AM)
Thanks Doug that was fun. I like that E7 to A backing rhythm.
Message: Posted by: GeorgeG (Feb 11, 2009 10:58AM)
Contrary to what I have heard, I found that learning on an electric guitar with light weight strings goes far in learning to play the guitar...easy on the fingers and fretting doesn't require muscled fingers to do it right.
Message: Posted by: Magnus Eisengrim (Feb 11, 2009 02:35PM)
You are right, George. A quality electric with light strings is much easier on the beginner's fingers. The down side to the light strings is that you will have intonation problems because you are always bending them slightly. Most beginning players won't notice this, and hopefully the more experienced musicians in the vicinity will be polite and not mention it.

John
Message: Posted by: tedski (Feb 11, 2009 04:45PM)
I don't know of Chet being that involved in electronics development. Les Paul was a prime innovator in the electric guitar, and even more notably multi track recording of which you can here many examples of him with Mary Ford. You must get his PBS DVD documentary "Chasing Sound" if you really want to learn about history and this amazing NEW JERSEY(couldn't resist)native.

Clearly this guy is a player, hardly a beginner though. If you are learning I feel you can use either guitar, but you will benefit immeasurably by including an acoustic instrument in your studies - can't hide anything, plus you will develop necessary hand strength. An BTW- guitar players playing bass, usually sound like a guitar player playing bass LOL.
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Feb 11, 2009 05:06PM)
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On 2009-02-11 08:04, kregg wrote:
Thanks Doug that was fun. I like that E7 to A backing rhythm.
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That same basic left hand technique, that is using the middle finger as a partial bar, is used in the Jerry Reed tune "Struttin."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoVB-LqjXBE&feature=channel_page
Message: Posted by: EsnRedshirt (Feb 11, 2009 08:04PM)
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On 2009-02-11 17:45, tedski wrote:
An BTW- guitar players playing bass, usually sound like a guitar player playing bass LOL.
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Cool. I'll swing by Guitar Center next time they've got one of their blow-out sales and see what basses they've got.
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Feb 11, 2009 08:44PM)
Make sure you have all the bassses covered..
Message: Posted by: EsnRedshirt (Feb 11, 2009 09:05PM)
[url=http://www.scene.org/redhound/AYB.swf]All your bass are belong to us.[/url]
Message: Posted by: irossall (Feb 11, 2009 09:17PM)
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On 2009-02-11 00:21, EsnRedshirt wrote:
I'm leaning towards bass guitar. What would you guitar players recommend? (Note- I need a left-handed guitar. So much for borrowing one from my in-laws as I'd originally planned...)
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I would recommend you play what you like the best. I like to sing (when I'm alone) with the guitar and strum chords so I prefer a 6 string.

You can get a left handed guitar or you can do what Jimi Hendrix did and re-string a right handed guitar and play it upside down.
Iven :patty:
Message: Posted by: soccergod (Feb 11, 2009 09:36PM)
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I would recommend you play what you like the best. I like to sing (when I'm alone) with the guitar and strum chords so I prefer a 6 string.

You can get a left handed guitar or you can do what Jimi Hendrix did and re-string a right handed guitar and play it upside down.
Iven :patty:
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I have been learning to play guitar the last year or so, and I haven't developed callouses(sp?). I try to play 3 or 4 times a week for a few hours. It works out well to keep callouses at bay. My friend,who is left handed, gave me one of his old guitars and taught me how to restring it. It still played the same right handed and was a great learning guitar with light strings. I recommend light strings as a beginner, or to stay away from callouses. I would enjoy hearing a more experienced guy's opinion on using light strings.
Message: Posted by: Magnus Eisengrim (Feb 11, 2009 09:42PM)
Soccergod:

1. What kind of guitar do you own?
2. What kind of music are you learning to play?

John
Message: Posted by: MaxfieldsMagic (Mar 12, 2009 08:08PM)
The original clip on this thread is an excerpt from a DVD Pat Kirtley made teaching the thumbstyle arrangements of Chet Atkins. You can find the DVD at http://guitarvideos.com/video/dvd/98586dvd.htm

I took a 5-day class from Kirtley at the Swannanoa Gathering in North Carolina in 2006. He is a real gentleman, and very generous with his time and advice. Plus, he drank beers with the students every evening and participated in all sorts of informal jam sessions. He's also a master at Celtic guitar, but Kentucky thumbstyle is where he first made his mark.

If you can play and are interested in learning his style, I'd suggest you pick up a couple of his DVDs at http://guitarvideos.com/video/00kirtley.htm He definitely deserves some compensation for sharing his talent (sound like a familiar theme on this site....?)