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Topic: Facebook, Myspace, Reunion.com. etc. What's the scoop?
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Feb 15, 2009 11:09AM)
I did something that is somewhat of an aberration for me. I joined Facebook at a friends prompt.

Seriously. I usually avoid these sites. Fear of viruses, spyware, etc. usually keeps me away. I stick to making my videos on Youtube. But this time, I just said "Aww. What the heck."

Can anybody tell me what they know about these social sites? Pros, cons etc? I just need a little primer to make me wise.

I appreciate any help you can offer.
Message: Posted by: Magnus Eisengrim (Feb 15, 2009 11:22AM)
If you are over 30, they are boring and pointless. Many people under 30 seem to find great rewards there. I have no idea why.

John
Message: Posted by: EsnRedshirt (Feb 15, 2009 11:25AM)
I got my dad onto Facebook. He promptly found a ton of old college buddies he hadn't seen for years, and uses it to keep in touch with them. (Plus, he's gotten addicted to the Fish Wrangler game app.)
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Feb 15, 2009 11:30AM)
What would be the advantage of staying in contact via Facebook as opposed to just regular e-mail?
Message: Posted by: Jaz (Feb 15, 2009 11:53AM)
I've been on FB for a while.
Got back in touch with old friends who I haven't seen in many years and didn't know thier email addresses.
I don't accept all Friend Request.
There are some Applications I like to use.

It can be a bit addictive.
I find that the Café can get a bit redundant and FB is an alternative way to pass some time.
Message: Posted by: Patrick Differ (Feb 15, 2009 11:55AM)
I use Facebook. My name is MRD Friday.

I don't have any real reason to use it. Most of my students and family members are my "friends." But I don't mind that.

I don't share ANY really personal information on it. That's a "given" this day and age. I have put a couple of videos on it. Cards tricks.

I do like their Texas Hold 'Em application. I play it frequently. I started with $2,000 dollars at the beginning of the year, and now I have right around $1,081,000.

With a population of a little over 250,000,000, if Facebook were a nation, it would be the fifth largest nation in the world. That's interesting.
Message: Posted by: Magnus Eisengrim (Feb 15, 2009 12:10PM)
Actually, Daff, I overstated my case a bit. I find facebook boring, but it has allowed me to make contact with people I had lost track of over the past 30 years or so. For me, that makes it worth having even if I only go on every couple of weeks.

John
Message: Posted by: stoneunhinged (Feb 15, 2009 12:20PM)
There was a thread on this some time ago.

I grew up in Taiwan. I went to an English speaking school where about half the kids had parents who were missionaries and the other half were military. I can only think of two other boys who went there for their entire primary school education.

One of those boys I found on Facebook just yesterday--it's been well over thirty years since I had contact with him. The day before I found a guy I went to high school with. It had been just under thirty years.

That's the point of Facebook for me. I play the silly games, of course, just for the heck of it. But the point is the nearly miraculous contact I've made with people I assumed I would never hear from again. THAT is way cool.
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Feb 15, 2009 12:35PM)
There is a buddy of mine from when I was in the service. Man, I miss him. Running into him would be the blessing of my decade.
Message: Posted by: Justin Style (Feb 15, 2009 01:50PM)
If you were in the real service - NAVY, then check out this site;

http://www.hullnumber.com/

if not...then join the Navy, do your turn, get out then check it out!

Good luck Doug!
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Feb 15, 2009 01:59PM)
Nope. Air Force was where I found myself.
Message: Posted by: Justin Style (Feb 15, 2009 02:02PM)
Oh...sorry to hear that. No wonder you can't find him...nobody knows where the Air Force really is...lol

But I bet if you check they might have some type of similar site?
Message: Posted by: R.S. (Feb 15, 2009 05:43PM)
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On 2009-02-15 12:09, daffydoug wrote:
I did something that is somewhat of an aberration for me. I joined Facebook at a friends prompt.

Seriously. I usually avoid these sites. Fear of viruses, spyware, etc. usually keeps me away. I stick to making my videos on Youtube. But this time, I just said "Aww. What the heck."

[/quote]

Same here! In fact, my introduction to Facebook started a mere 2-3 weeks ago (also at a friend's prompt) and now I have been contacted by 5 or 6 people from my distant past. I haven't decided yet if it's a good thing or a bad thing. The whole concept seems at times a bit silly and "teenish", but yet potentially useful.

Ron
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Feb 15, 2009 06:02PM)
That's the word. "Teenish" Thanks!

Still I'm open to give it a shot.
Message: Posted by: kcg5 (Feb 15, 2009 08:02PM)
Here is a good article


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tara-stiles/help-im-addicted-to-faceb_b_166726.html
Message: Posted by: bugjack (Feb 15, 2009 09:28PM)
Actually, there was an article recently in Time, I think, saying that Facebook's growth was all in the over 40 crowd.

I'm on Facebook and when I joined, I definitely binged on it and wasted a lot of time. Now it's down to a very manageable amount of time per day (less than the Café, actually). I generally like it. I have a blog on another subject, and that blog has a couple of different communities on Facebook. I've also connected to a bunch of old friends going back as long as elementary school. These are people who reached out via Facebook and wouldn't have otherwise. One professional acquaintance of mine posted as his status that was DJ'ing in Paris that night. I didn't even know he was a DJ, and my wife happened to be in Paris so I emailed her, she emailed him, and she wound up introducing him to a whole new crowd of people he wouldn't know. I regularly get invited to events through Facebook that I'm interested in and wouldn't know about otherwise.

In short, it can be a timewaster, but it is as much or as little as you make it.

(There are also quite a few magicians on Facebook, including some who have their own groups.)
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Feb 15, 2009 10:02PM)
Justin, don't pick on the Air Force guys, not everyone can pass the test to join the Navy.
Message: Posted by: RobertBloor (Feb 15, 2009 11:15PM)
I've been on facebook & myspace for awhile. I have to tell you though, short of catching up with old high school or college friends, I don't see a point to it.

I update my status regularly on facebook and I'm not sure why. Does anybody actually care that 10 minutes ago I was eating dinner? Or 2 hours ago I was going grocery shopping?

He11 I don't even care if I do those things.

Then there's the report from last month that Myspace, working with the FBI removed over 90,000 profiles of users who were sexual predators.

Seriously? I'm not sure I understand the point of putting all that information out there about myself.

Maybe it's time to nix it?
Message: Posted by: stoneunhinged (Feb 16, 2009 12:19AM)
As I said, catching up with old college and high school friends is worth it for me. You mileage might vary.

But if you think about it, you are in full control of your status updates and any and all other information you choose to put there.

I'm not really worried about sexual predators. I wouldn't advise my son to have a Facebook account, however.
Message: Posted by: kcg5 (Feb 16, 2009 10:44AM)
Im friends with jeff, kyle, steve brooks, gwyd, agent.......

then again, Im also friends with Michael Ammar, McBride, and Michael palin
Message: Posted by: ryansmagic (Feb 16, 2009 11:16AM)
[quote]
On 2009-02-16 11:44, kcg5 wrote:
Im friends with jeff, kyle, steve brooks, gwyd, agent.......

then again, Im also friends with Michael Ammar, McBride, and Michael palin
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I joined facebook not too long ago. I am "friends" with some famous magicians, most of them because everyone is their friend. Now I get friend requests from other magicians I don't know. I think it's because they can see who I am friends with.

If I don't know you don't send me a friend request.
Message: Posted by: gsidhe (Feb 16, 2009 11:32AM)
As always, I am a huge fan of these sites. They help me keep in touch with booking agents and other performers I have worked with (Or hope to work with).
Myspace and facebook have gotten me a LOT of work.
And...They help me to keep in touch with friends from my past as well as those in other places I don't usually go.
They have only done me good.
So why not? It is a decent diversion that keeps me in the loop.
Gwyd
Message: Posted by: stoneunhinged (Feb 16, 2009 11:33AM)
Jeff McBride never confirmed my friend request.

:(
Message: Posted by: Vandy Grift (Feb 16, 2009 11:40AM)
I just added Gwyd!
Message: Posted by: magic4u02 (Feb 16, 2009 12:13PM)
I joined facebook a few months ago out of curiosity. I am really enjoying it though. As others have stated, I found a kid I grew up with whom I had lost touch with and had not seen in over 20+ years. That was well worth it alone just to find him again and to rekindle friendships of when I was a child.

I also have gotten a chance to beocme friends and get to know a lot of magicians I never would have had the chance to meet if not for facebook. I only accept friends requests if I know them or we share the same friends. If I do this, I have no ever had any problems at all.

I also find it a great way to keep in touch with people I meet at shows, past clients and such. It has gotten me a few shows from it alone and also is a way for me to get information out to people whom may be intersted in my latest column or product coming out.

For me, it has worked very well.

Kyle
Message: Posted by: gsidhe (Feb 16, 2009 12:22PM)
Always a pleasure Vandy!
Looking forward to off board interaction!
G
Message: Posted by: scaevola (Feb 16, 2009 01:14PM)
I was using facebook in the days when it was only available for certain college students. That's pretty much how they made sure that it was "cool;" keeping it exclusive for a little while. I remember the day that they let you put photo albums on there and that's when it became central to many of my friends social lives.

I think if some of my facebook junky friends knew that their parents would later be joining it wouldn't have had the same appeal for them.
Message: Posted by: Vandy Grift (Feb 16, 2009 01:16PM)
[quote]
On 2009-02-16 14:14, scaevola wrote:
I think if some of my facebook junky friends knew that their parents would later be joining it wouldn't have had the same appeal for them.
[/quote]

Old people ruin everything.
Message: Posted by: Skip Way (Feb 16, 2009 02:17PM)
Like many of you, I joined Facebook kicking and screaming at my wife's insistence; I simply didn't have time to fritter away. Since then, I've discovered a whole new business network for the serious pro. For example, Facebook, Twitter and LinkedIn can offer a tremendous boost to your websites' search engine rankings. My fan group offers fans and clients a chance to keep up with my schedules, post testimonials, view videos and chat. All three offer an inexpensive method for sending out broadcast messages such as last-minute public appearances, meeting & appearance reminders and special event listings. There really is a wealth of excellent business networking tools available from these three networking sites. Look a little deeper.
Message: Posted by: drwilson (Feb 16, 2009 03:15PM)
OK, in a nutshell, why not just use regular email?

1. For most people, you can't find their email address. Performers are easy, they have websites, they post on email discussion groups, etc. Where do you find regular people who are your potential audience?

2. Regular email comes with loads of spam. We have really industrial spam-blockers, but still a lot gets through. There is no spam on Facebook, in my experience, and very little on MySpace.

Asking what good these sites are is like standing in front of the tool display at Home Depot and asking what anyone could do with any of that stuff.

I really like Facebook. We have a page for Theater of Marvels. Find us!

Yours,

Paul
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Feb 16, 2009 04:27PM)
[quote]
On 2009-02-16 12:32, gsidhe wrote:
As always, I am a huge fan of these sites. They help me keep in touch with booking agents and other performers I have worked with (Or hope to work with).
Myspace and facebook have gotten me a LOT of work.
And...They help me to keep in touch with friends from my past as well as those in other places I don't usually go.
They have only done me good.
So why not? It is a decent diversion that keeps me in the loop.
Gwyd
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I'm still on the track of thinking "Can't you do all that with good old e-mail?"
Message: Posted by: scaevola (Feb 16, 2009 04:28PM)
But how do you find people who you lost touch with? whose current emails you don't have? facebook lets you search by highschool, hometown, alma mater, etc.
Message: Posted by: EsnRedshirt (Feb 16, 2009 04:40PM)
Paul is 100% correct. In Facebook, you can also set up a fan page where you can post videos and publicity photos, as well as announce upcoming performances, etc. People can become your fan and be automatically notified of updates. Whenever someone joins, the fact is displayed on their wall- which all their friends see, allowing their friends to check out your page and become fans as well.

There ain't no such thing as bad publicity...

-Erik
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Feb 16, 2009 05:41PM)
I'm slowly beginning to get the picture, now. It's taken me a while, but I am admittedly old fashioned.

But, maybe you CAN teach an old dog new tricks.
Message: Posted by: Skip Way (Feb 16, 2009 06:30PM)
It takes time, effort and cooperation to have emails spread out in a viral manner without resorting to spam. With Facebook, as Erick mentioned, posts and news spread instantly through the network with little to no effort on the part of those on your list.

A close friend in Michigan had a fan create a Fan Page for him. He knew nothing about it. Within a few weeks he collected nearly 200 praising fans logged onto and commenting on his shows; with absolutely no effort on his part. Imagine what you can do with a focused campaign. Kyle Peron has created a Magicians' Wii group for Internet tournaments. The possibilities are limited only by your imagination and needs.

These networks are a form of viral marketing at their finest and easiest. Imagine a low-key Buzz campaign taking on a life of its own. You can do the same thing with email - but, it's much more effort. Picture this: If you had just ten Facebook friends with ten friends each and each of those friends had ten friends, your postings just reached a thousand people with a little basic effort. Now understand that Facebook friend and group member lists usually rank in the hundreds and thousands - not mere tens.

Best of all, you avoid the reputation-crushing stigma of spam. Everyone on your fan page or friend list is there by choice. They've agreed to receive your missives. If they tire of them, they simply block future messages. Each person has complete control over his or her own privacy, walls, message boxes and so on.

I wish I'd listened to my wife and joined sooner!
Message: Posted by: Rock_Slatestone (Feb 16, 2009 07:44PM)
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On 2009-02-15 12:30, daffydoug wrote:
What would be the advantage of staying in contact via Facebook as opposed to just regular e-mail?
[/quote]

Email is so yesterday. :P

I prefer to stick with Facebook..I'm 41 and I get it and I enjoy it. :) You don't need to be under 30.

It is great way to stay in touch with friends and family yet have controls over who sees what. Since I have kids of my own. I only except invites from people I know for safety and all that.

Steven
Message: Posted by: NJJ (Feb 16, 2009 07:51PM)
The benefits of facebook

1) I can run events, invite people and keep track of who is coming. This works for both shows and private parties (search: The Catchpenny Club)

2) I can see what my current friends are up to. If someone "is bored at home", I might give them a call and catch up

3) I can share photos with my friends.

4) I can keep track of people I don't really want to call or email. E.g. old school friends. Ex girlfriend gets married, best friend from high school has a baby. It's nice to know what's going on without having to call them.

5) Social interaction. I can chat, play games and interact with friends overseas and interstate.
Message: Posted by: The Amazing Noobini (Mar 16, 2009 05:24PM)
I have to admit that I am FB curious, but I am afraid to come out and join. Frankly there are a lot of people from my past that I would rather avoid, and a bit of snooping reveals that people I never really liked seem to be vastly over represented, as opposed to people I would love to get back in touch with.

Still I keep thinking about it. I shake it from my mind but the curiosity returns later. I am 40 and only a few years ago I was always on top of the latest online things. Now I feel that I'm losing touch completely. Getting old a bit sooner than I would like.

I don't know... I cannot really picture what people do on there. I certainly don't want to go and ask a bunch of people if they want to be my friend, please please. How uncool. Why do I want in then? The only few people close to me who I know are on there, I see all the time anyway. And I do all my magic talk here and love it. So what is the attraction to me about Facebook?

I suppose I am a little worried about childhood bullies finding me and thinking that I'm a sad magic geek loser. Which I really am from their point of view. And what about the ones who became junkies and so on. Will they suddenly feel the need to look me up in the middle of the night?

Dear Prudence, I need some advice.

Sincerely

Square Esq.
Message: Posted by: Steve_Mollett (Mar 16, 2009 07:15PM)
So...if old friends are contacting you, I'm assuming you DO use your real names and a few facts to 'dredge up memories?'
Message: Posted by: Jimeh (Mar 16, 2009 07:34PM)
You can change your name if you want to (I do for fun sometimes).
You can also have Facebook remember your real name so if someone does a search
they can still find you.
Message: Posted by: The Amazing Noobini (Mar 16, 2009 07:44PM)
I don't think there is any point to being on Facebook if you are under an alias. As far as I understand how it works, you cannot get a lot of nice gossip info on people from your past without giving something of yourself, which of course is a terrible shame.

If you contact someone under an alias they are just going to reject you, aren't they? Unless you have given them advance warning saying that Willy Wonka is really you, in which case you are already in contact with them and in no need of Facebook at all probably.

If you happen to be the only one on the planet with your particular name, then they are going to find you based on that alone.

Ideally someone should launch Stalkerbook, where you could discreetly observe the life of that girl you were interested in back then without her ever knowing about the site's see through people's curtains-feature. I jest a little, but really I think that most people want to know as much about others as possible without them knowing more than an absolute minimum about you.