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Topic: Wolfe's Pop Gun
Message: Posted by: Lou Hilario (Feb 27, 2009 06:32PM)
Does anyone have this? It looks like an interesting kid show prop with a William Tell theme.
http://www.smmagic.com/stagemagic/popgun.htm
Message: Posted by: sspanks (Feb 27, 2009 07:27PM)
This is not a Chance Wolf Product.. with that said, I HIGHLY recommend Dan and Smoky Mountain Magic. He makes great props.

-stephen
Message: Posted by: Chance Wolf (Feb 27, 2009 11:50PM)
I wish I thought of that!!
What a FUN looking prop!
Chance
Message: Posted by: Potty the Pirate (Feb 28, 2009 01:47AM)
This routine looks remarkably similar to one posted on YouTube by our own RJE (I think his tag is). His routine also was about William Tell, and involved shooting a silk across the stage invisibly. He's taken the routine down now, so.....
Is this his release I wonder?
Doug.
Message: Posted by: Clownboy (Feb 28, 2009 05:27AM)
COOL! Me wants one!!

Brad
Message: Posted by: Harv (Feb 28, 2009 06:56AM)
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On 2009-02-28 06:27, Clownboy wrote:
COOL! Me wants one!!

Brad
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What a surprise!!! LOL!
Message: Posted by: MoonRazor (Feb 28, 2009 09:33AM)
Fearless Fred?
Message: Posted by: Donald Dunphy (Feb 28, 2009 10:17AM)
Doug -

If I recall correctly, RJE's (Rob Evans) routine / video online was of him performing Mike Bent's "Fearless Fred".

It seems to me that the premise of "Fearless Fred" and "Pop Gun" is the premise of Silk Flight. Silk Flight is an old routine. I'm sure that Mike and Dan were aware of this old routine when they created their versions.

Other examples of a Silk Flight-style of routine is Arlington's Silk Flight (available from Malloy Modern Magic) and also Tim Sonefelt's Cannon Ball Circus (avialable from Wonder Imagery).

- Donald
Message: Posted by: Potty the Pirate (Feb 28, 2009 11:46AM)
I don't think RJE's routine was from Mike Bent, I'm certain he said he and his wife had come up with the routine themselves. It involved loading a silk into a tube, and a kid had to "fire" the silk at another kid holding a wrapped apple on his head. The signed silk finally appeared inside the apple. the whole thing had a William Tell theme.
perhaps RJE will spot the thread and comment?
Message: Posted by: Donald Dunphy (Feb 28, 2009 11:49AM)
The premise of the silk into the apple, or into a dinner roll, is one the classic ways of doing Silk Flight.

Even the mention of William Tell is an old patter premise.

However, you might be right. It might not have been "Fearless Fred" that Rob was performing. It might have been just a Silk Flight. I might be getting mixed up.

I also remember watching a video of Rob performing his adaptation of Mike Bent's "Mummy Dearest."

- Donald
Message: Posted by: AmazingEARL (Feb 28, 2009 12:04PM)
I'm embarrassed to say that I wasn't even aware of "Silk Flight." My apologies. Our initial idea was to create a more kid-friendly verison of Tony Slydini's "Silk in Apple" trick.

Adding the gun prop enabled the use of two helpers instead of one...more audience participation. It also made the trick play bigger than the original bare-handed silk vanish normally used. The silliness of the prop added more color, excitement and humor to the routine.

I suppose the main reason for the prop is to add the "convincer." The helper loads the hanky into the gun, not you...and you never go near it again.

I certainly hoped I've not stepped on anybody's toes...

Dan Wolfe
Message: Posted by: Donald Dunphy (Feb 28, 2009 12:27PM)
Hi Dan,

According to [url=http://www.lybrary.com/silk-apple-p-2314.html]this website[/url], Tony Slydini has been doing "Silk in Apple" since at least the 1950s. It might very well be his premise. I'm not entirely sure.

Then again, he does say this is Slydini's version of "The Silk in the Apple", which doesn't necessarily imply that he invented the idea.

Keep in mind there are magic historians that would have a better grasp on this than me.

I don't consider it a "borrowed" idea. My point was that it was more of a "classic" trick, for which you are presenting a modern twist.

- Donald

P.S. I haven't checked to see whats in Rice's Encycopedia of Silk Magic, on the subject of a silk flight / silk in apple / silk in dinner roll. That would be another reference. But a magic historian would know best about the origins.
Message: Posted by: Stevethomas (Feb 28, 2009 12:48PM)
LOVE the looks of that prop! Similar in appearance to the BANG GUN that Barry Mitchell showed in his DVD. Don't know if he ever manufactured any, or just gave directions on making them. The POP idea (with POP cans) is awesome.

Steve
Message: Posted by: Potty the Pirate (Feb 28, 2009 01:15PM)
It does look great! I guess the William Tell idea isn't new, and clearly Earl didn't know of RJE's routine. A case of "great minds think alike".
;)
Message: Posted by: Lou Hilario (Feb 28, 2009 05:29PM)
I like the idea of that balloon holder being held in front of the volunteer. It "apparently" pops when the gun is triggered. It adds to the effect of the gun popping. Now where did I see this holder before? Was it in a kidshow dvd or a website? Was it Barry Mitchell? I don't remember.

BTW, do kids nowadays know who William Tell is? What could be a better more popular character with a gun? Rambo? James Bond? Transformers? Power Rangers? Star Wars?

Does anyone have this Pop Gun? It would be nice to hear a review before I get one. I know that Sterlini has good workable props. That chain saw is also in my wishlist.
Message: Posted by: keeblem (Mar 1, 2009 04:06AM)
Well, I've just ordered it! It looks like a great, entertaining prop.

I GREAT William Tell routine (with balloons) is on this fantastic DVD:

http://www4.mailordercentral.com/tmyersmagic/prodinfo.asp?number=4019

Mark
Message: Posted by: Razamatazz Magic (Mar 1, 2009 04:42AM)
What a great idea - We love the look of it !

Well done !

Andy & Sue
Message: Posted by: B Hackler (Mar 1, 2009 03:30PM)
I own the pop gun from smoky mountain magic. the props are well bulit to last a lifetime with proper care. the routine is well thought of and pretty clever. I generally do family and childern shows and the pop gun plays well. I have purchased several items from smoky mountain magic and never had any problms with any of their products. smoky mountain magic has great customer service. my 2 cents
Message: Posted by: Beowulf (Mar 1, 2009 10:51PM)
Collector's Workshop produced Big Shot using a mini cannon that fired a watch across stage and into a box. Mid-flight, the watch shattered a kosher matzo cracker as proof of its trajectory.
Message: Posted by: JimbosMagic (Mar 2, 2009 03:47AM)
Just ordered the dvd Mark.
Sounds intresting. cant wait to find out what its like.
Message: Posted by: JimbosMagic (Mar 2, 2009 03:48AM)
The pop gyn look like a real fun product. I am thinking about it.
Message: Posted by: JimbosMagic (Mar 2, 2009 03:49AM)
That should have read Gun. lol
Message: Posted by: keeblem (Mar 2, 2009 12:47PM)
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On 2009-03-02 04:47, JimbosMagic wrote:
Just ordered the dvd Mark.
Sounds intresting. cant wait to find out what its like.
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I'm sure you won't be disappointed. Arthur Tivoli has a very engaging style. The routines were filmed in front of an adult audience - but they would play very well for family audiences. There's a balloon hat game which I use quite a lot which goes down very well! The William Tell routine is VERY funny!

Mark
Message: Posted by: Mumblemore (Mar 3, 2009 02:50PM)
Anyone else have the pop gun? Could you review? It seems intriguing and also looks so outrageous that it will be hard for the "no guns, even play guns" folks to object.
Message: Posted by: JimbosMagic (Mar 3, 2009 06:13PM)
Cheers Keeblem. They have just told me its been sent, usually takes about 8 to 10 days to reach England
Message: Posted by: Cliff G (Apr 7, 2009 04:59AM)
Any more reviews on this? Mark / Jimbo?

Thanks

Cliff
Message: Posted by: harris (Apr 7, 2009 09:42AM)
Does anyone do this with a kazoo(or other instrument/cd) of the William Tell Overture...

That was an "easy tie in" from this nearly normal guy.


Hi Ho silver....


away...
Message: Posted by: keeblem (Apr 8, 2009 04:53PM)
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On 2009-04-07 05:59, Cliff G wrote:
Any more reviews on this? Mark / Jimbo?

Thanks

Cliff
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I have my pop gun but not used it yet in a show. However, I do really like it. It's well made and after reading the routine I think it will go down very well. The instructions are clear and very well written. There's one little "move" that I'm a little bit concerned about but I'm sure with a small amount of practice it should be fine. I am really looking forward to doing routine and hope to find a bit of practice time soon.

I don't think it's the kind of thing I would use for very young children (ie 4-5s), but I think for 6s and up it would go down very well. As soon as I've used it "under fire" I'll let you know!

Mark
Message: Posted by: Cliff G (Apr 10, 2009 02:20AM)
Thanks for the update Mark :)
Message: Posted by: Potty the Pirate (May 1, 2009 01:36PM)
I received my Pop Gun today. I have to say, my first impression is that this a real worker. The props supplied include the very cleverly designed gun, with it's hilarious fake cans - "Dr Popper", "Popsi", etc. There is a simpler-than-simple gadget to do the naughty work, and cleverly designed so you can immediately hand the "dirty" part to a kid, once the deed is done. The gimmick is gone, and there is nothing to find. The gun has a safety catch to prevent premature firing, and is solidly built, and simple to operate. One would expect it to last many years, maybe a lifetime. The look of the gun is brilliantly, very "home-made", but truly very well made - and sufficiently different from a regular gun, not to be a problem for the anti-gun lobby (though I daresay they might compare the look to a rocket launcher, which I guess is worse!)
You also receive the beautifully crafted ring, stage size - 33cm across. This will burst the balloon when required. A prop to use on its own for many other routines than this.
There is also a wooden apple, so that if you prefer you can avoid the mess of real apples, or more realistically, for the occasions when you don't bring a real apple. Surely, any magic routine is enhanced by adding a piece of real fruit? And you can have a bite at the end....
There are also all the neccessary other bits and pieces in case you don't have any around, so you can perform the routine straight away.
As yet, I've not performed this, but already I'm quite sure it's a winner. The "magic" part will get pretty much everybody, the props look GREAT, and the involvement of at least two audience members means that this routine has all the elements that a really great routine requires.
For me, this represents the first opportunity to use any kind of actual "gun" in my shows....I own "Big Shot", though the previous owner left gunpowder in the chamber, which has caused corrosion. Now it needs a serious overhaul! My mate suggested that instead of using real gunpowder, he modify it to fire a pistol blank......hmmmm.....I tried to imagine using a prop that fires a REAL gun round, albeit blank, and decided that I really don't need to take my shows in that direction! Though the noise would scare the bejabbers out of the kids!
He he.....
In conclusion, the Pop Gun is a quality product, with a solid magical, audience pariticpation routine, and probably the only "gun" trick that we might get away with these days.
Love it!
Potty :)
Message: Posted by: Lou Hilario (May 1, 2009 07:38PM)
Doug, thanks for your positive detailed review. I hope to hear some feedback when you use it in your shows.
How big was the box that it came in and how much was the shipping cost?
Message: Posted by: Stevethomas (May 1, 2009 07:47PM)
Okay. Now you've done it. I'd forgotten all about this prop until you resurrected this thread. Now I have to get one. Geez.

Steve
Message: Posted by: Potty the Pirate (May 2, 2009 02:16AM)
You could perform this routine without the POP gun, the basics are silk in apple. The prop merely gives you a nice big finale, as well as helping a lot with the sneaky stuff. My existing silk in apple routine seems not to work with the POP gun, but I'm hoping to come up with a suitable story that will let me simply add the POP gun to the end of my existing routine.
The gun is supplied in a cardboard box 60x40x12 cm approx. It's internally padded, and perfect for keeping and carrying the prop, includes a handle. Shipping and import duty/VAT to the UK came to about 60.
Steve - sorry buddy, you should know better than to go reading reviews of new props in these days of the credit crunch!
:)
Message: Posted by: Stevethomas (May 2, 2009 05:40AM)
There's a fantastic "silk in apple" routine taught in depth in Jeff Hobson's DVD, but I think this prop is a very good looking item. I also purchased a "Mosundspow", and thought the quality of that was good.

Steve
Message: Posted by: Professor DoDad (May 6, 2009 07:41AM)
I love the look of the prop and idea. Anyone complained saying it is a gun? I want one, just curious if anyone using it has had any complaints about it being a gun.
Thanks!!!
Message: Posted by: B Hackler (May 6, 2009 11:02AM)
I have used the pop gun for the last six months and never had a problem with the issue of it looking like a gun. my 2 cents
Message: Posted by: Professor DoDad (May 6, 2009 07:12PM)
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On 2009-05-06 12:02, B Hackler wrote:
I have used the pop gun for the last six months and never had a problem with the issue of it looking like a gun. my 2 cents
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Thanks!!!!! Wolfe hopes to have them in stock in the next week or so. I will be picking one up.
Message: Posted by: Gary Shelton (May 10, 2009 06:27PM)
I placed an order for one. I work in a Country Western music show as the comedy relief guy.

I am thinking I will use the music from "The good the bad and the ugly" with a reverse William Tell spin a kid will be the marksman and his father the target.
Message: Posted by: WayneNZ (May 17, 2009 12:35AM)
What is the case like?

no point in spending the extra dosh on the flight case if the
normal one is okay for the job.

thanks