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Topic: Gaffed Double Faced Cards
Message: Posted by: magicmatt (Mar 13, 2009 02:33PM)
Ok, I am sure this has been talked about before be need advice on purchasing gaffed cards. I need a set of 10 cards that are doubled faced and they all need to be the same. First, is there someone that sales this type of setup or do I need multiple packs of gaffed cards hoping that I get what I need. I also need a pack of cards that are all the same card. Do I pretty much need to purchase 52 decks of cards to do this or does someone sale packs of all the same card? Where have you purchased gaffed cards and what would you consider the best? I am looking for gaffed Bicycle playing cards. Thank you for your help.
Message: Posted by: the Sponge (Mar 13, 2009 03:01PM)
Yes, you are correct. this has been discussed; a search will turn up the info you seek.
Message: Posted by: Sixten (Mar 13, 2009 03:07PM)
Hi magicmatt:

As a possible guide:
Mr. Christian Schenk/Owner: Card Shark, Germany/(Member here) Can help you with
your double backed, same, gaffs. (BIKES)

Ask him about the same 52 cards (The full deck).
If no, you can contact Hank Lee's Factory, Massachusetts. (BIKES)


Good luck!

Sixten
Message: Posted by: Leo Reynolds Jr (Mar 13, 2009 04:50PM)
The answer to both of you problems http://www.martinismagic.com/Products.html

Marty is a real nice guy and is a pleasure to do business with just drop him a line.
Message: Posted by: magicmatt (Mar 14, 2009 11:21AM)
Ok, Marty Martini's Magic can do it all and that is who I am going to use to make my gaffed cards. Thanks for all your help.
Message: Posted by: Failed Magician (Aug 8, 2010 04:31AM)
I'm looking to buy this but wondering about the setup for each deck. I'm pretty sure each deck will consists of 52 to 56 cards. Will they have two cards sets for each pair? Example if there is a double face card of 5H and 10S, will I have another set of it? Or all 52 cards will have different pairs?

Because I need two double face cards with the same pair.

Thanks.
Message: Posted by: Paul (Aug 8, 2010 06:29AM)
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On 2010-08-08 05:31, Failed Magician wrote:
I'm looking to buy this but wondering about the setup for each deck. I'm pretty sure each deck will consists of 52 to 56 cards. Will they have two cards sets for each pair? Example if there is a double face card of 5H and 10S, will I have another set of it? Or all 52 cards will have different pairs?

Because I need two double face cards with the same pair.

Thanks.
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What you're looking for Failed Magician, two cards that will be the same, you will find in the standard, generally available double faced deck.

Paul.
Message: Posted by: Failed Magician (Aug 8, 2010 08:17AM)
Thanks Paul. Trying to find the cheapest price for this.
Message: Posted by: motown (Aug 9, 2010 11:28PM)
You can buy a one-way deck. That will give you a deck with all the same cards. Many dealers will have this.

Buy a few sets of wild card will give you the ten matching DF cards you're looking for.
Message: Posted by: Failed Magician (Aug 10, 2010 01:25AM)
What do you mean by "Wild Cards"? And where can I get them?
Message: Posted by: Vlad_77 (Aug 10, 2010 06:44AM)
Actually, NOW the real answer lies at lybrary.com

Chris has put up a SPLENDID tool for designing gaffs! I am a graphic artist, but truth be told, for gaffs using regular cards, I will use this tool.

Check it out me buccos!!

Ahimsa,
Vlad
Message: Posted by: motown (Aug 10, 2010 12:41PM)
I'm talking about "Wild Card" by Frank Garcia. Here's a video of the trick.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kj-HbwdAOFc&feature=related

Here's a dealer that has it.
http://themagicwarehouse.com/cgi-bin/findit.pl?x_item=LP1879&keyword=WILD%20CARD

or try your local magic shop
Message: Posted by: Vlad_77 (Aug 10, 2010 04:09PM)
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On 2010-08-10 02:25, Failed Magician wrote:
What do you mean by "Wild Cards"? And where can I get them?
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Failed,

Motown has pointed you in the direction of one the classic plots in card magic. There are wonderful approaches to this effect all throughout the literature - even non-gaffed versions!

Regardless, it is a highly visual and quite magical routine. A BEAUTIFUL approach to it is Peter Kane's "Gypsy Curse". You can find his handling, Dingle's handling, Ron Bauer's, and Christian Chelman's in their works. (References available upon request)

Steve Dacri, among others, does wild card with signatures on blank cards.

Wild Card, like O&W is also a subject that sparks debate. Some argue that the wild card plot lacks a strong finish, so development on it, like O&W continues.

Ahimsa,
Vlad
Message: Posted by: Failed Magician (Aug 10, 2010 11:49PM)
Thanks Vlad, I know that trick. Well, it's pretty much a bit hard to use the DF cards that are used by Wild Card. Most of them are QH and 9S. I prefer a more "innocent" card such as 4C with 10D for example.
Message: Posted by: motown (Aug 11, 2010 07:57AM)
Failed Magician,

Wild Card sets come made up many different ways. It may require you callings a few shops and asking what they have available. Since you weren't specific about the DF cards you needed or how they were going to be used in your post, I suggested Wild Card as an inexpensive way to get these type of cards.

If you want specific cards, that's going to require someone making them and will be more expensive.

Good luck.
Message: Posted by: Failed Magician (Aug 11, 2010 09:29AM)
Thanks motown, I could always order from Martini but thinking to get the DF deck too as it might come in handy for different routine.
Message: Posted by: Failed Magician (Sep 14, 2010 07:07AM)
Ok now I got it. Anyone knows some simple tricks using this a whole deck?

What is the function of two cards that are actually blank back?

Thanks.
Message: Posted by: Vlad_77 (Sep 14, 2010 11:53AM)
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On 2010-09-14 08:07, Failed Magician wrote:
Ok now I got it. Anyone knows some simple tricks using this a whole deck?

What is the function of two cards that are actually blank back?

Thanks.
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You are asking two questions here Failed. I will answer the first, first ;). Check out Paul Curry's "Touch", Annemanns' "King's Kards" and Sankey's "Astral Projection" for starters. "Touch" is an especially powerful effect that has seen some additional work in the literature, but, even in its original form, is one of the most powerful effects IMHO you can do in card magic.

You can find in in the book Worlds Beyond. I am sure there are other sources as well.

Your second question opens up a whole universe. One effect I would direct you to is Wayne Dobson's "Imagine". This KILLER effect can be found in Wayne Dobson's excellent WD40.

Namaste,
Vlad
Message: Posted by: Failed Magician (Sep 14, 2010 12:20PM)
Thanks Vlad, always top notch answer and direction.

I know that I haven't been in card tricks long enough, but I notice these double face cards come from the same template at the printing house?

QH always has 9S at the other side. 6C has 5D (I know this because I have Blue Packet Killer by Simon Lovell, and there's a DF of 6C and 5D).

The royal or court cards for Clubs and Diamonds, also 10C and 10D have the same on both sides (is there any particular reason for this?).

So, if I buy another deck of DF, will I get the same pattern here?
Message: Posted by: Vlad_77 (Sep 14, 2010 04:40PM)
Hi Failed,

If your double-facers are from USPCC then yes, you will have the same pattern.

People that use Piatnik (Europe mostly) have a different pattern. In fact there is a Trost effect called Maxi-Twisto that uses Piatnik DF. I will have to hit Lybrary.com and roll my own ;)

Namaste,
Vlad

PS: Man you ask really GREAT questions! I WISH you would change your name!! You are NOT failed or a failure. Grrrrrrrrrrrr LOL
Message: Posted by: Failed Magician (Sep 14, 2010 08:26PM)
Thanks Vlad,

People here are great, when they give directions, they also use references hehehe.. as for me, if you ask about what trick that uses the DF in the Blue Packet Killer, I will have to watch it again because I don't remember the names only the routine.

Anyway, so pretty much everyone that has the DF deck has the same pattern. I was kinda hoping that USPCC produces with at least four or five different patterns.

I found a good usage of the QH/7S DF card. Somewhere in the Café there is a thread discussing the most chosen card. And I actually used to put a QH and 7S in different billfold in my wallet. So I could ask anyone about their fave card. If it's a match, then I'll "move" the card to my wallet.

I will check those references you gave me, if the time and chance allow me. I think I've seen the Astral Projection somewhere (most likely Youtube I guess), so I'll have a look and figure out the working.

Thanks for your comment about my questions hehehe I am still learning a lot from you guys here.
Message: Posted by: edh (Sep 15, 2010 06:51PM)
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I think I've seen the Astral Projection somewhere (most likely Youtube I guess), so I'll have a look and figure out the working.[/quote]

Oops....shouldn't have said that. ;)
Message: Posted by: Failed Magician (Sep 16, 2010 01:01AM)
Yeah sorry, but I mean, since I know it's gonna use -whole or partially- a DF cards, then the working might be simple.

And Sankey is one of my fave magicians, so I've seen his demo videos in his website or Youtube.

Btw, Vlad, those tricks you mentioned, do they use whole deck or partial amount only?

I'd love to know a trick that can actually use the whole deck of DF cards.
Message: Posted by: mtstic44 (Sep 18, 2010 08:11AM)
Been trying to find wild card using the jokers as the wild card.
Message: Posted by: Failed Magician (Sep 18, 2010 10:48AM)
You mean a DF card with the Joker? Well the Bicycle DF Deck only has one card with Joker as the DF. Joker/5S if I'm not mistaken.

So if you need more than one, you could either buy some decks or buy it as custom printed from some seller here.
Message: Posted by: edh (Sep 18, 2010 05:31PM)
...or you could make your own.
Message: Posted by: Failed Magician (Sep 18, 2010 09:33PM)
That's true, edh. There are two ways, print them by yourself or card splitting.
Message: Posted by: Bob Tucker (Sep 22, 2010 06:11AM)
Martin Magic will produce the best d/f's on the market today. Marty Grams is the nicest person to do business with
Message: Posted by: Bob Tucker (Sep 22, 2010 06:12AM)
Sorry for misspelling Martini