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Topic: Close up pad materials
Message: Posted by: baal (Mar 25, 2009 12:58PM)
Hello, I have a question about some of materials for close up pad.
Anybody know where I can find rubber what is used for bottom of close up pads, and the sponge what is between a velvet and rubber??
sorry for my english
Simon
Message: Posted by: ClintonMagus (Mar 25, 2009 01:44PM)
I think the rubber is the material used for scuba outfits (neoprene, I believe).

Here's one source for Neoprene:

http://rubbersheetroll.com/neoprene_rubber.htm
Message: Posted by: tabman (Mar 25, 2009 01:45PM)
Wet suit material makes a decent Close-up pad. When they were first being made some mfg glued velvet to quarter inch thick black rubbery typewriter pads. This was when those giant IBM Selectric typewriters were the thing. I was gluing suede leather to typewriter pads in those days myself as Crescent Moon Magic in the mid 1970s.

I'd love hearing about what you eventually do.

-=tabman
Message: Posted by: MarkTirone (Mar 25, 2009 02:56PM)
Tom Krzystof uses open cell foam padding for his close up pad. I'm sure that will work fine for you.
Message: Posted by: ClintonMagus (Mar 25, 2009 03:32PM)
Actually, I have used automobile headliner material for the tops of close-up tables.
Message: Posted by: tabman (Mar 27, 2009 12:48PM)
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On 2009-03-25 16:32, ClintonMagus wrote:
Actually, I have used automobile headliner material for the tops of close-up tables.
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That sounds like a great idea. Seems like that would make a nice durable surface. How do cards spread on it?? Does it have good grip?? I've never used it only Mali cloth and suede leather. I'd love to check one out.

-=tabman
Message: Posted by: TheAmbitiousCard (Mar 27, 2009 12:52PM)
I've used it. I think it's been mentioned on the forums a lot. It's cheap and it works great. The only problem is that it's a bit thin so a couple thicknesses of it are better.
Message: Posted by: Paul Prater (Mar 27, 2009 12:57PM)
I have used the headliner on several tables.

I think that it is a very nice surface. Cards spread well and it comes in a variety of colors.

My complaints are that it picks up fuzz and lint badly. Since my table breaks down and I have to carry ot from show to show, I have to keep a lint roller with me. Also, it is not particularly durable. It can snag or tear. Then again, it is relatively cheap. I just stretch it and staple it onto my table top so it is easy to remove and I can replace it when it wears out.
Message: Posted by: tabman (Mar 27, 2009 01:55PM)
OK, thanks. It doesn't sound all that great. I remember seeing some talk about it a few years ago but I never tried it. Suede leather makes a great surface. No lint and if it gets dirty you can wash it off with a wet cloth. Mali cloth, not so though it is awesome to touch and do cards on. I once had someone send me a Mali table to repair that they burned with a cigarette. Easy enough to replace. Thanks for the info about the headliner material. Suede would have been a lot slower to burn too and cows like it.

-=tabman
Message: Posted by: tabman (Mar 27, 2009 01:57PM)
On 2nd thought, maybe cows don't like it at all.

-=tabman
Message: Posted by: MickeyPainless (Mar 27, 2009 02:09PM)
I did a table a few months ago and used "Faux Suede"! So far it has stood the test and it looks and feels great! I happened to find it deeply discounted at a fabric store so I bought a couple yards of black and a couple of a dark red (wine?)!

The base I use is a closed cell neoprene type material I found for lining tool boxes and doubled it provides just the right amount of give but not so much that it feels spongy! Might need 3 layers for coin work!

Works for me!

MMc
Message: Posted by: tabman (Mar 27, 2009 02:48PM)
I've used several types of padding. In the 70s there was a quarter inch tan foam backed with gauze called Blackjack Table Padding at a supplier I was using in Vegas. It was nice but at some point the first guy went out of business and I started using half inch Craps Table foam. It was great for doing pick up moves with coins and cards. Plenty of room to get under. You could compress it on the edges more too and get a nicely rounded off edge. I enjoyed making em but I don't miss it. Just the magicians and friends I made.

I think it was Michael Ammar who first suggested wet suit material to me with the cloth backing. I think they were using it for mouse pads.

-=tabman
Message: Posted by: tabman (Mar 27, 2009 05:16PM)
Funny, I was just looking in one of my road cases for something and the half inch foam lining caught my eye. It's the gray fairly stiff road case stuff. It looks a lot like what I was buying as Craps Table padding.

-=tabman
Message: Posted by: raywitko (Mar 28, 2009 01:54PM)
We now use volara padding. It is a closed cell padding that doesn't absorb water or spilled drinks. It's the padding that most casinos now use. Faux suede does work well for some tables. We still use the mali and real suede on tables as well. Headliner material looks to cheap in appearance.
Ray
Message: Posted by: Alan Munro (Mar 28, 2009 05:11PM)
I was in Office Depot a few weeks ago and I was surprised at what I saw. Oversized mouse pads with a velvety material covering them. They were dirt cheap, too! Some even had some patterns that were suitable for a performance surface.
Message: Posted by: tabman (Mar 28, 2009 08:17PM)
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On 2009-03-28 14:54, raywitko wrote:
We still use the mali and real suede on tables as well. Headliner material looks to cheap in appearance.
Ray
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Glad to hear that. Can't imagine a better serface. I have a picture of a great design to send you. The size is drawn out on the sheet of foam core that I drew the pattern for the Pirate's Knife.

-=tabman
Message: Posted by: MickeyPainless (Mar 28, 2009 11:53PM)
I'm just gonna have to try real suede on my next table!

MMc
Message: Posted by: Thomas Wayne (Mar 29, 2009 02:26AM)
[url=http://www.simoniscloth.com/][b]This[/b][/url] is what I use, over a closed-cell foam padding. Tough, durable, and it just [i]looks[/i] rich.

TW
Message: Posted by: tabman (Mar 29, 2009 08:39AM)
Simonis and Mail cloth are very similar. Both are very nice.

-=tabman
Message: Posted by: Thomas Wayne (Mar 29, 2009 12:48PM)
I've known Fred Mali for many years, and their billiard cloth products are also fine for close up tables - plus they offer some unique colors not available in Simonis. Another decent brand of billiard cloth I've used (for pads) is Granito, which is what we use on the table in our rec room.

TW
Message: Posted by: raywitko (Mar 29, 2009 03:28PM)
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On 2009-03-28 21:17, tabman wrote:
[quote]
On 2009-03-28 14:54, raywitko wrote:
We still use the mali and real suede on tables as well. Headliner material looks to cheap in appearance.
Ray
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Glad to hear that. Can't imagine a better serface. I have a picture of a great design to send you. The size is drawn out on the sheet of foam core that I drew the pattern for the Pirate's Knife.

-=tabman
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I still have that foam board tucked away in the shop for the future. Would like more info on the pirates knife.
Ray
Message: Posted by: raywitko (Mar 29, 2009 03:30PM)
Sir Thomas,
Would you be so kind to let us know what brand of closed cell padding you use?
Ray
Message: Posted by: tabman (Mar 29, 2009 06:09PM)
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On 2009-03-29 13:48, Thomas Wayne wrote:
I've known Fred Mali for many years,
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Now, how cool is that. I just liked the way it sounds when you say it....Mali!!

-=tabman
Message: Posted by: Thomas Wayne (Mar 29, 2009 06:43PM)
For many years Mali also manufactured pool cues, and Fred used to come to a lot of our gallery shows. At one point he asked me to design a CNC milling machine for that end of their business; eventually the Chinese "invasion" took its toll on the lower-end production companies, and Mali quit building cues. Another friend of mine bought most of their machinery and raw material inventory.

They still produce fine billiard cloth, though.

TW
Message: Posted by: tabman (Mar 29, 2009 10:57PM)
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On 2009-03-29 19:43, Thomas Wayne wrote:
For many years Mali also manufactured pool cues.....They still produce fine billiard cloth, though.
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It is nice cloth and thanks for the first hand on Mali. I got to meet and hang with a lot of super people over the years but I never crossed paths with Mali. I have long been a fan however.

Thanks again,

-=tabman
Message: Posted by: magicshayne (Mar 30, 2009 11:54AM)
When I made my close up table I went to a fabric store and and got the cloth that I needed and to give me that feel of a close up pad I used the foam padding that is used for underlay on laminate floors its very cheap and an easy way to make a close up pad or table
Message: Posted by: gdw (Apr 6, 2009 04:11PM)
I am looking, personally, for a material that doesn't have a grain.

I have found some great materials, including microfiber, which is a faux suede look/feel, but it has a "grain."

What I mean is that, for example, a card will slide over it smoother in one direction than the other.

Actually, I have found micro fiber, and suede type materials in general have too much of a grip for cards to slide around in general.

This is good for spreads, but, say you had a card under your hand, and your hand was flat on the table, sliding around the card, these fabrics tend to not let the card move freely.

And, other fabrics that I have found that are good looking, and don't grip the cards so much like the suede fabrics have the grain problem, so they only move in a few directions well, but reverse directions, the card snags and gets exposed.

Any suggestions?
Message: Posted by: sdmagic (Apr 6, 2009 09:59PM)
Velvet. Cards slide easily in all directions and it looks professional. The only drawback is that it doesn't wear as well as other materials, so you'll need to replace it every so often...

sdmagic
Message: Posted by: gdw (Apr 7, 2009 08:18PM)
I may have to look at velvet again, I seem to recall it had a grain, which was why I avoided it in the beginning. I could be mistaken though.
Message: Posted by: Outbreak Monkey (Apr 20, 2009 06:14AM)
I tried velvet on many card surfaces, from poker tables to card mats..

It looks really rich, but it does have a grain (like carpet), and it tends to get very noticeable dark and light patches as you slide things around on it, depending on the direction that you slide..

Monkey.
Message: Posted by: ferrari (Apr 24, 2009 04:00PM)
I jsut use felt
Message: Posted by: Rizzo (May 28, 2009 12:06PM)
Picked up a nice $5 yoga mat which makes a nice cover for the wood which is then all covered by whatever fabric you will be using. In case there are no Five and Below stores by you, I posted a link.
http://fivebelow.com
Message: Posted by: Loopback (May 28, 2009 11:27PM)
I have made about 6 closeup tables and practice tables for both myself and guys in the local club and have had excellent results using first a layer of automobile headliner and than putting velveteen over that.
Message: Posted by: PWB (Jun 17, 2009 12:51PM)
Probably not the brightest question I have asked this year but does suede have a smooth and not finished side and if so which side is best for the table or mat side up?.
Message: Posted by: ray raymond (Jun 17, 2009 07:18PM)
A friend of mine made a table with suede it is nice it is like a dream surface.
Message: Posted by: MickeyPainless (Jun 18, 2009 01:04AM)
Suede is used in many upper end tables! I have used both suede and faux suede and like em both!

MMc
Message: Posted by: tabman (Jun 18, 2009 07:33AM)
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On 2009-06-17 13:51, PWB wrote:
Probably not the brightest question I have asked this year but does suede have a smooth and not finished side and if so which side is best for the table or mat side up?.
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Yes, the smooth side (almost like velvet) is the best for the upper surface IMO.

-=tabman
Message: Posted by: markofmagic (Jun 24, 2009 08:49PM)
I go to the car repair shop and get their scraps of head liner material. It is soft foam on one side and head liner material on the other side. Plus you can get in any color and cut it to any shape. They make a spray adhesive so you can attach it to a piece of thin plywood or about any other surface.
Message: Posted by: marty.sasaki (Jun 27, 2009 07:14PM)
I've found headliner to not hold up too well. I don't use it for a closeup table, but do use it for playing poker on. The main advantage is that it is cheap, so when something happens to it, I can just replace it. It wears out pretty quickly. If I have someone who likes to play with the chips in exactly the same place you can see wear after a night's use. I think that it would soon wear if you did a cups and balls routine, or other thing where you mostly worked over the same spot.