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Topic: Johnny Carson, Dom DeLuise and eggs
Message: Posted by: Magnus Eisengrim (Apr 5, 2009 04:46PM)
They just don't make TV like [url=http://www.milkandcookies.com/link/138148/detail/]this[/url] any more. And that might be a good thing.

John
Message: Posted by: MickeyPainless (Apr 5, 2009 04:52PM)
My wife forwarded this to me a month ago and I'll bet I've watched it a doz. times!
Message: Posted by: landmark (Apr 5, 2009 09:52PM)
Wow that's funny! And what shows me Carson was such a pro is how he finally puts an egg down his own pants--absolutely the key to the whole thing.
Message: Posted by: Justin Style (Apr 6, 2009 01:44PM)
Tallent times two!
Message: Posted by: markmiller (Apr 6, 2009 02:36PM)
Those wre the days.
Message: Posted by: gsidhe (Apr 6, 2009 03:33PM)
Freakin Brilliant!
Loved it!
G
Message: Posted by: NicholasD (Apr 6, 2009 03:42PM)
Late Night TV just isn't the same without Johnny.
Message: Posted by: stoneunhinged (Apr 6, 2009 03:57PM)
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On 2009-04-05 17:46, Magnus Eisengrim wrote:

And that might be a good thing.

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No! It's not a good thing. That was funnier than anything I've seen on television in years.

Kind of sad. :(
Message: Posted by: mumford (Apr 6, 2009 04:22PM)
Johnny's original New York shows were actually live, not live to tape, and were ninety minutes. When you add all the years and all the laughs youi realize no one evr will match his record. He is sorely missed.
Message: Posted by: Magnus Eisengrim (Apr 6, 2009 04:39PM)
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On 2009-04-06 16:57, stoneunhinged wrote:
[quote]
On 2009-04-05 17:46, Magnus Eisengrim wrote:

And that might be a good thing.

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No! It's not a good thing. That was funnier than anything I've seen on television in years.

Kind of sad. :(
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What I don't know is if it would still be funny if we saw it more often.

John
Message: Posted by: stoneunhinged (Apr 7, 2009 02:51AM)
Maybe not. But maybe the spontaneity--feigned or not--appeals to me because it's something different from the current Smarmy, Know-It-All, This is all a joke and it's being played on you, I can't believe I get paid for this, Armani with sneakers attitude that passes for comedy these days.

I find a lot of the stuff I see on youtube quite funny: the whole I'm f*****g Matt Damon stuff, and the Comic Insult Dog (can't remember his name). But the humor--though it makes me laugh--strikes me as perverse, somehow. It all...ALL...has a certain "I'm smarter than you" feel to it.

David Letterman was a kind of genius in his day because he introduced this sort of humor. (It needs a descriptive title of some sort. It's a sort of post-something or other.) It has to do with the self-conscious awareness of television as a non-intellectual medium. Seriously. Read Neil Postman on this. I'm quite serious, and it's not even 10 AM, so I'm not drunk. (Maybe a tiny bit hung over, but not drunk.) The humor is based on the idea that the comedian is a smart person who knows that his audience consists of non-intellectual TV junkies and a scattered few others who will understand the joke and laugh with him rather than at him. So we get: stupid pet tricks.

Now, Letterman was brilliant for introducing this. But my goodness! It would seem that everyone has copied him. Everyone.

Letterman would never put an egg down his trousers, because that would make HIM the joke, rather than his audience and the stupid pet tricks. And that's OK, because Letterman is Letterman. I have no problem with Letterman. My problem is with all the freaking Letterman copies out there.

And it's worse than y'all might think. There used to be a guy here who had copied Letterman's show down to a T, and he remains probably the most respected comedian in Germany. But he was nothing more than a copycat.
Message: Posted by: Magnus Eisengrim (Apr 7, 2009 10:13AM)
Jeff, you've really struck a chord with me on this one, but I don't know if I can articulate what I'm feeling.

I too am struck by the sense of "I'm above all of this" or "The world is less interesting than I am" or whatever it is that animates so much of today's pop culture.

There is something very sad--and somewhat frightening--in the air right now.

John
Message: Posted by: stoneunhinged (Apr 7, 2009 06:24PM)
I'm with you in that I can't really articulate it very well.

John, if you haven't read Neil Postman, order it today. The book is called "Amusing Ourselves To Death", and while it doesn't have anything directly about this style of humor, it remains essential reading about what effect television has on culture. It's not the "dumbing down" problem that so many people speak of. Let us have our dumb stuff; it doesn't hurt us. What hurts us is that the serious stuff becomes entertainment, so the line between serious deliberation and entertainment becomes blurred. The problem is not that Letterman thinks TV is a joke on all of us; the problem comes when the politicians and intellectuals imitate Letterman. Then ALL becomes a joke.

But now I am posting late in the evening, very late, after a lot of beer, so I'm probably not coherent.

Just buy the book, if you haven't already.
Message: Posted by: Magnus Eisengrim (Apr 7, 2009 07:06PM)
Thanks for the recommendation. I've heard Postman interviewed on the radio, and he does sound like a good read. I'll pick up the book for a short trip I'm taking in a few weeks.

John
Message: Posted by: noble1 (Apr 7, 2009 08:13PM)
Stoneunhinged I think much ogf Letterman's genius is borrowed from Steve Allen.
Message: Posted by: S2000magician (May 5, 2009 02:03PM)
And now both are no longer with us.

RIP Johnny and Dom.
Message: Posted by: Big Jeff (May 5, 2009 03:47PM)
I think I will rent cannon ball run today in honor of Dom.
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (May 5, 2009 04:44PM)
A friend of mine, Brock Yates, created and wrote Cannonball Run. The "real" runs were real, races on the highways from Ny to Calif.
Message: Posted by: S2000magician (May 5, 2009 04:57PM)
[quote]On 2009-05-05 17:44, Pete Biro wrote:
A friend of mine, Brock Yates, created and wrote Cannonball Run. The "real" runs were real, races on the highways from Ny to Calif.[/quote]
Did he draw any inspiration from [b][i]The Gumball Rally[/i][/b]?
Message: Posted by: ed rhodes (May 5, 2009 09:02PM)
"What's behind me is not important!"