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Topic: Identity
Message: Posted by: Nat (May 9, 2009 07:15AM)
Richard Sanders amazing new card effect - [b]Identity[/b] - check it out!
Nathan
Message: Posted by: taller8 (May 9, 2009 07:48AM)
Here is the Link.

It looks like another great Richard Sanders effect.

How does one not buy his stuff?

I think he should change his name to Richard "Paypal" Sanders.


http://sandersfx.com/identity_subscribers1.html
Message: Posted by: thehawk (May 9, 2009 07:56AM)
This looks great.
Message: Posted by: joseph (May 9, 2009 09:05AM)
Looks like he did it again... :) ...
Message: Posted by: Review King (May 9, 2009 09:57AM)
Richard's never had a miss on a release. That's because he takes material from his own working repertoire, sometimes performing it for years, before releasing it to the magic fraternity.

I perform material form his incredible Richard Sanders Show DVD set, Material from Super Cards, Tagged, Alpha Deck, Extreme Burn. So much of his material, that except for the talent and charisma, I'm Richard Sanders.

I would say based on that demo, everyone will be doing Identity. The sweetest sound a person can hear is their own name. Have their name materialize on a card and you've got an instant winner for performers and hobbyists alike.
Message: Posted by: Robert M (May 9, 2009 10:15AM)
[quote]
On 2009-05-09 08:48, taller8 wrote:
Here is the Link.

It looks like another great Richard Sanders effect.

How does one not buy his stuff?

I think he should change his name to Richard "Paypal" Sanders.


http://sandersfx.com/identity_subscribers1.html
[/quote]

Richard "Paypal" Sanders - FUNNY! Looks like another winner.

Robert
Message: Posted by: gaffed (May 9, 2009 11:44AM)
Looks very interesting as usual for Richard Sanders.
I'll have to wait for a review on this one as to the card maneuvers involved as I'm not all that good at finger flicking due to some arthritis in my hand. Looking forward as to its difficulty level. Richard does state that one needs an intermediate level of card handling but that really does not tell me all that much.
It certainly looks very visual with that kicker ending!

~gaffed~
Message: Posted by: Review King (May 9, 2009 11:54AM)
The points I love:

Key Points:

* No previous knowledge of the spectator is necessary.
* Walk up to anyone and do this
* Instantly reset
* Completely examinable
* Perform as a stand alone effect or drop it into your card set at any time
* The ultimate souvenir for your spectator!

Over 2 hours of no holds barred, DVD training, including:

* Indentity Extended: The full monte, multi-phased effect.
* Indentity Condensed: Short and sweet, go straight for the jugular!
* Identity Maxed Out: This is a take no prisoners, maxed out version of the effect. This will fry magicians!
* Plus: A special surprise addition, sleight of hand workshops, bonus moves, sleights, psychology, handlings tips and more.
Message: Posted by: bugjack (May 9, 2009 11:55AM)
I'll be curious to see the reviews too. It's not too hard to figure out how to do a version of this effect with common sleights and a common gaff, so I'm thinking that there must be something more to it.
Message: Posted by: Mediocre the Great (May 9, 2009 01:08PM)
Your right. There's always something more to a Richard Sanders effect.

I must say however, I'm really scratching my head on this - Richard says (and I belive him) that you can perform this effect for anyone, antytime and it instantly re-sets. Based on his track record, I have already made my pre-order purchase for 2.

I'm feeling a bit like a Richard Sanders clone. So many of his effects fit my style and pack tremendous impact with the audience. His magic is always practical and works well in the real world. Richard's instructions are always extremely well done too. He really takes his time and includes every little detail he has accumulated from hundreds of real life performances.

This really has me waiting in anticipation! can't wait to play with this and post a review....
Message: Posted by: Ron Vergilio (May 9, 2009 04:06PM)
I have to agree. All of his DVDs are clear as he explains every and all details. I have not been disappointed with any of his material. BTW, I ordered mine too.


-Ron
Message: Posted by: Andi Peters (May 9, 2009 04:10PM)
It looks like his/Sankey's snowstorm trick but using a name instead of a snowglobe.
Message: Posted by: Illusion & Beyond (May 9, 2009 06:41PM)
I was trying to think of where I had seen somrthing like this before. Thanks.
Message: Posted by: Sammy J. (May 9, 2009 06:41PM)
I do Richard's Extreme Burn and portions of Fibre Optics. When it come to audience reaction, these two rock! I have bought so much cr*p through the years, but Richard's stuff is real world ready.
Message: Posted by: Robert M (May 9, 2009 07:40PM)
[quote]
On 2009-05-09 12:55, bugjack wrote:
I'll be curious to see the reviews too. It's not too hard to figure out how to do a version of this effect with common sleights and a common gaff, so I'm thinking that there must be something more to it.
[/quote]

I'm wondering about this, too. This is a trick from one of the Richard Sander's Show DVDs, and I'm wondering what's different about it? There must be something new for Richard to release this as a single trick DVD, so I ordered it. I still can't figure out how the card can be given out at the end without a switch. And, it says "No Switch".

Robert
Message: Posted by: gaffed (May 9, 2009 08:58PM)
[quote]
On 2009-05-09 20:40, Robert M wrote:
.............I still can't figure out how the card can be given out at the end without a switch. And, it says "No Switch".

[/quote]

Yes, that is the one thing that grabbed me. We'll soon see when the reviews start coming in. Of course I'm obviously not referring to [i]how[/i] its done but if it is indeed as described and its difficulty.

~gaffed~
Message: Posted by: Michel Huot (May 10, 2009 02:34AM)
Hi,

The Pre-Release Special for Identity is now availble for everyone here:
http://www.sandersfx.com/identitymc.html

BTW, this is another KILLER from Sanders, he blew me away with this a few months ago!

Michel
Message: Posted by: Andi Peters (May 10, 2009 08:09AM)
[quote]
On 2009-05-09 20:40, Robert M wrote:
[quote]
On 2009-05-09 12:55, bugjack wrote:
I'll be curious to see the reviews too. It's not too hard to figure out how to do a version of this effect with common sleights and a common gaff, so I'm thinking that there must be something more to it.
[/quote]

I'm wondering about this, too. This is a trick from one of the Richard Sander's Show DVDs, and I'm wondering what's different about it? There must be something new for Richard to release this as a single trick DVD, so I ordered it. I still can't figure out how the card can be given out at the end without a switch. And, it says "No Switch".

Robert
[/quote]
Yes, the description sounds the same...

Named: Watch the scribble from a magic marker VISUALLY TRANSFORM INTO A SPECTATOR’S NAME! Perform this miracle anywhere and anytime. No advance preparation necessary. Just walk up to a complete stranger and perform this amazing demonstration!
Message: Posted by: Ian Blacklock (May 10, 2009 03:43PM)
I hate to rain on anyone's parade here, but unless I'm very much mistaken, the actual move used for the 'visual change' definitely won't be looking exactly like the one shown in the close ups of the hand waving the card in the demo...
Message: Posted by: bugjack (May 10, 2009 05:47PM)
[quote]
On 2009-05-09 21:58, gaffed wrote:
[quote]
On 2009-05-09 20:40, Robert M wrote:
.............I still can't figure out how the card can be given out at the end without a switch. And, it says "No Switch".

[/quote]

Yes, that is the one thing that grabbed me. We'll soon see when the reviews start coming in. Of course I'm obviously not referring to [i]how[/i] its done but if it is indeed as described and its difficulty.

~gaffed~
[/quote]

On the demo it looks to me that the card goes back to the top of the deck. Am I wrong?
Message: Posted by: Xcath1 (May 10, 2009 06:14PM)
I am responding to Blacklock. First, big Sanders fan, find his stuff to usually be a good value. Fiber Optics, Extreme burn are almost category killers as far as I am concerned (what more do you need for rope or bills). That said, I am also scrutinizing the hand position during the final change. This is certainly not the position for the chnage we are all thinking of from snowstorm or named. And "no card switch?" I have pre-ordered (at the very least you know from experience it will ship on time) and hope for something new rather than add copy hyperbole or fast cutting and camera work with the trailor.

Posted: May 10, 2009 7:22pm
Addendum. In the trailer, during a live performance over the shoulder shot of the last change, the finger position appears quite familiar. I understand the use of creative license during trailers to preserve the secret. Still, I would be disappointed
Message: Posted by: Rpascual (May 10, 2009 06:48PM)
It looks like the daniel madison change that appeared on youtube a couple of months back! I'm almost sure that it won't actually look like that. If it did one could use it for soo many applications! Although I'm not getting my hopes up.
Message: Posted by: Review King (May 10, 2009 10:58PM)
In Latest and Greatest, Richard answered some questions folks have raised:

[quote]
On 2009-05-10 22:07, Richard Sanders wrote:

Hi Guys,

To answer a few questions:
Yes, Named was the seed of inspiration for Identity.

However, Identity is by no means a re-release of an old item.
In fact forget what you know about Named and get ready to take that effect much further than you ever thought possible.

As with all my releases I only want to offer the cream of the crop as far as effects and impact on an audience. Identity is no exception to that rule.

I don’t want to waste your time with compilation DVDs that includes 3 good effects and 7 lukewarm ones. Instead I try to offer you HARD HITTING MAGIC that you will use. Identity takes what I believe are the some most commercial elements of card magic and combines them into one ROCK EM SOCK EM, take no prisoners, card effect.

What is particularly important and interesting to magicians is the compilation of information and ideas on the DVD. I have worked very hard to create an effect that is quite possibly, THE STRONGEST SIGNED CARD EFFECT THAT YOU CAN DO.

Now, I know that's a BOLD STATEMENT to make as everyone's tastes are different.
However, after a series of impossible transpositions with the cards, there is just no getting around the fact that when the marks on the back of "their selection" visually morph into their very own name...IT'S OVER...pandemonium breaks loose.

THEN...with no switch, you give the card to them to keep...just as a REAL magician would ;)

Identity could stand on it’s own as a very strong card effect, without the name change ending. But, with the name change ending...Identity stands alone, taking itself far beyond a mere card trick into a moment of pure astonishment.

Re repeatability: The gimmick is not damaged and/or destroyed during the effect.
It can be used over and over. Only the selected card is given away.

Re: the card change: I include 3 different card changes that can be used for the effect, including the one used on the demo.

Re: getting their name, trust me when I tell you that they are flabbergasted when their name appears on the card. You will learn how to do this on the DVD.
If you are familiar with my previous work, you know that I tell it like it is.
Watch the demo again and look at the OVER THE TOP REACTIONS for this.
In particular, look at the girl at the end. Her jaw is dropped wide open for a good 5 seconds! It’s pure astonishment!

Oh ya, for the guys that "have it all figured out", I thought about you too and there is a special version of the effect on the DVD designed specifically to fry laymen AND MAGICIANS.
In fact, there is even a special version of the effect for those times where you are not as prepared as you wish you were...and you will still be able to do Identity.
This DVD is comprehensive in its scope and powerful in its impact.
This is a real world worker, not a pipe dream.

Identity, ships June 1.

You can order the pre-release special until May 20th on my web site here:
http://www.sandersfx.com/identitymc.html


Thank for your tremendous support guys...it is much appreciated!!!!!

Best regards,

Richard Sanders
Message: Posted by: Ian Blacklock (May 11, 2009 11:09AM)
[quote]
On 2009-05-10 19:22, Xcath1 wrote:
Addendum. In the trailer, during a live performance over the shoulder shot of the last change, the finger position appears quite familiar. I understand the use of creative license during trailers to preserve the secret. Still, I would be disappointed
[/quote]

Exactly! Believe me I don't want to disect the effect or expose anything other than the fact the demo itself is rather misleading.
Message: Posted by: Xcath1 (May 11, 2009 11:34AM)
Richard implied in the post above that there are some "magician" foolers here and hype or not I am inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt passed on past experience
Message: Posted by: Ian Blacklock (May 11, 2009 12:15PM)
Xcath1, I would love to be proved wrong, and if so I'll happily eat my top hat, but something tells me until Mr. Sanders reshoots that demo my hat is safe...
Message: Posted by: Cameron Francis (May 11, 2009 01:07PM)
Ian, Richard states that there a multiple handlings on the dvd. I'm sure the "traditional" method for the change is used along with a new change. Do you own Extreme Burn? If you do, you know that Richard packs his dvds with a lot of alternate handlings.
Message: Posted by: The Mac (May 11, 2009 03:09PM)
I'm interested to see how the advert and a real review compare. Even if the effect is what we all think it is ,it would be a nice one but for the asking price and this being Richard Sanders I'm hoping there's more to this than we are seeing..but one the other hand, if a simple method achieves the same effect to the spectator why complicate it if it?
Message: Posted by: Cameron Francis (May 11, 2009 03:59PM)
Read the ad cppy and what Richard wrote above and you pretty much know what you are getting. Sounds like a lot of Alternate Handlings and a few different routines.

The ad copy states that there is over 2 hours of material. And you know it isn't going to be fluff.
Message: Posted by: gaffed (May 11, 2009 06:37PM)
[quote]
On 2009-05-11 16:09, The Mac wrote: Even if the effect is what we all think it is ,it would be a nice one but for the asking price and this being Richard Sanders I'm hoping there's more to this than we are seeing...
[/quote]

Knowing Richards very detailed DVD's I don't consider the price out of line at all.

~gaffed~
Message: Posted by: ixnay66 (May 11, 2009 10:21PM)
Looks like a cool trick. I'm in for a pre-order.
Message: Posted by: RooMan (May 12, 2009 09:42AM)
Sanders has never disappointed me...I happily pre-ordered.
Message: Posted by: Ian Blacklock (May 12, 2009 10:42AM)
Cameron, I hear you my friend and I have no doubt Richard puts a lot of work into the effects he releases, including this one, which I really like by the way but I stand by my claim that things shown in the demo aren't exactly as they seem.

On a different note, I also understand creators of certain effects not wanting to show them 'warts and all' on a video clip for someone to reverse engineer, but to be economical with the truth by showing an interpretation of the effect is a different matter altogether.
Message: Posted by: Review King (May 12, 2009 11:17AM)
Going on Richard's track record,I'm getting this.
Message: Posted by: Steve Hook (May 12, 2009 01:41PM)
Ian Blacklock:

Since you're new to TMC, you may not know that one of the most looked-down-upon type of post here is a negative comment from someone who doesn't even have the trick.

Unless your goal is to be part of an unfortunately long list of knowitalls who, among other things, pre-judge new tricks before buying and trying, maybe it would be wise to quit stirring up the dirt. Personally, I'm waiting for the reviews, not more negative conjecture.
Message: Posted by: Cameron Francis (May 12, 2009 02:20PM)
Ian, I don't understand your post. He flat out says that there is more than one change, taught. So why so skeptical? I haven't seen the dvd yet but I'm willing to wager money that the change shown in the demo is taught on the dvd. He pretty much says it is.
Message: Posted by: Ian Blacklock (May 12, 2009 02:37PM)
Steve Hook:

I actually think Identity is a bloody good piece of magic but I am very aware of what is happening in the 'demo'.

I am only informing potential buyers of this to let them have a more informed purchase, and not, as you say, stirring up the dirt.

I too am eagerly awaiting the reviews...
Message: Posted by: Nico Zottos (May 12, 2009 02:37PM)
[quote]
On 2009-05-10 23:58, Christopher Kavanagh wrote:
[quote]
On 2009-05-10 22:07, Richard Sanders wrote:


Re: the card change: I include 3 different card changes that can be used for the effect, including the one used on the demo.

Thank for your tremendous support guys...it is much appreciated!!!!!

Best regards,

Richard Sanders
[/quote]
Message: Posted by: Ian Blacklock (May 12, 2009 02:51PM)
Cameron, in all sincerity, I would love for you to be right on this.

Mr. Sanders is a fine magician who has released some absolute gems to the magic community, as have you, but I just had to call it how I see it my friend, and that is the last I'll say on the matter till the reviews are in.
Message: Posted by: MikeOB (May 12, 2009 03:25PM)
I always liked Richards effects. He puts a lot into his DVD's. I am definetely getting this. I am in for a preorder. He is the type of person you can trust.
Message: Posted by: Sammy J. (May 12, 2009 06:42PM)
I just preordered mine. Can't wait!
Message: Posted by: Cameron Francis (May 12, 2009 08:20PM)
Thank you Nico! I was too lazy to do that. :)
Message: Posted by: Review King (May 12, 2009 08:57PM)
Richard's track record speaks for itself. I believe him when he says " I have worked very hard to create an effect that is quite possibly, THE STRONGEST SIGNED CARD EFFECT THAT YOU CAN DO ".
Message: Posted by: NexusMagicShop (May 12, 2009 09:40PM)
Sanders never disappoints me. He is a very crafty, and clever artist/inventor. I am all for improvement on tired techniques. That's what helps us all evolve as artists. And truthfully, with the multiple versions and 2 hour DVD. It's a bargain! Richard has brought all of us some very entertaining effects over the years.

- My Thoughts
Message: Posted by: gaffed (May 12, 2009 11:12PM)
Why make prejudgments now be they negative or positive?

Richard has thus far proven to have a great track record and in time the reviews will be forthcoming. The test of time will tell as it always does. Why bicker when the trick has not even been released yet and no one as of yet has had any hand's on experience with it and or the DVD! Give it a break.....wait....and......[i][b]see[/b][/i]!

~gaffed~ ;)
Message: Posted by: jprace (May 12, 2009 11:18PM)
Like all Richard Sanders' effects, this is sure to be amazing. Since Extreme Burn, I have become a big supporter of his products. I can't wait to get this.

Jeff
Message: Posted by: BMWGuy (May 12, 2009 11:36PM)
I agree with Christopher Kavanaugh!

Richards track record speaks for itself.

Extreme Burn is killer always!

Even though I mostly do mentalism now, I still preordered since I know this will be a big hit, and Richard has never let me down on any of the products he promotes and sells.

This is probably one of the strongest card tricks a person can do next to , well in me experience at least

Autograph by Justin Miller
Diplopia by Paul Vigil

Autograph is more like Sanders effects since it uses gimmicked cards and few technical moves and stuff!

My preorder is in, and cant wait till June 1st when these start shipping.

My bday is June 5th so its just in time.

Thanks

Alex
Message: Posted by: stempleton (May 13, 2009 06:09PM)
[quote]
On 2009-05-09 12:44, gaffed wrote:
Looks very interesting as usual for Richard Sanders.
I'll have to wait for a review on this one as to the card maneuvers involved as I'm not all that good at finger flicking due to some arthritis in my hand. Looking forward as to its difficulty level. Richard does state that one needs an intermediate level of card handling but that really does not tell me all that much.
It certainly looks very visual with that kicker ending!

~gaffed~
[/quote]

I am of the same mind. I have very small hands and fingers, (no jokes, please) so I usually stay with coins. However, I hope we have the same level of reviews on this one that the Café is known for. Looking forward to it.
Message: Posted by: jprace (May 13, 2009 09:55PM)
Pre-ordered mine!
Message: Posted by: Papasmurf (May 14, 2009 03:30PM)
I have never been disappointed by a Sander's effect and thus did not hesitate one second to push the pre-order button


Eric
Message: Posted by: Vraagaard (May 20, 2009 03:19AM)
[quote]
On 2009-05-09 20:40, Robert M wrote:
[quote]
There must be something new for Richard to release this as a single trick DVD, so I ordered it. I still can't figure out how the card can be given out at the end without a switch. And, it says "No Switch".

Robert
[/quote]

Richard Sanders effects is truely great magic. I truely love "Stickmen 4" and "Card in ear" besides the obvious ones like "Extreme Burn", "Tagged" and "Ring on Shoelace".

Richard Sanders has many alike effects to "Identity" like "Named", "Shaken", "Snowstorm" (Sankey) but what I'm interested in is exactly what Robert wrote above "I still can't figure out how the card can be given out at the end without a switch. And, it says "No Switch".

I would like your reviews to focus exactly on this.

"THE MARKS ON THE BACK OF THE CARD VISUALLY REFORM INTO THE SPECTATOR'S VERY OWN NAME! Yes, the marks VISUALLY REFORM, with no cover whatsoever, into the name of the spectator that you just met! With NO SWITCH... the card is immediately handed to the spectator to keep. It is completely examinable!"

Thas should be the NEW part of this trick, hopefully also with a streamlined handling without 20 wrist kills. One wrist kill will do.

Regards

Jan
Message: Posted by: Review King (May 20, 2009 03:28AM)
I perform NAMED and there isn't 20 wrist kills. Only a few moves to accomplish a miracle.

IDENTITY sounds like a major advancement on the plot.
Message: Posted by: Vraagaard (May 20, 2009 06:12AM)
[quote]
On 2009-05-20 04:28, Christopher Kavanagh wrote:
I perform NAMED and there isn't 20 wrist kills. Only a few moves to accomplish a miracle.

IDENTITY sounds like a major advancement on the plot.
[/quote]

And basically there is nothing wrong with a wrist kill anyway. I believe from a multitude of Sankey and Sankley/Sanders DVD's you are just overexposed to the same moves, and suddenly for a magician those moves signals "foulplay", but to a lay person it doesn't matter.

Anyways, while we are waiting for a review that can make us wiser on the "NO SWITCH" part.

Jan
Message: Posted by: Xcath1 (May 20, 2009 08:23AM)
I don't mind the "wrist Kills" and I love the Sanders effect with with random marks changing to marks in the shape of a card (forgot the name). The change is slightly different and of course there is a switch to hand out the signed card. I love the idea of snowstorm but it uses the same change twice in a row. Even if the shaking is consistent with shaking up the snow I still feel twice in a row is a little bit shady looking. We shall see
Message: Posted by: Darius666 (May 20, 2009 08:40AM)
Switch or no switch, the effect looks great and will get great reactions. I don't get why people are so opposed to switches, they are not noticed by lay people, and if they are then your not very good at them.

Anyway, this is a Richard Sanders effect, the guy who released Interlace, Extreme Burn, Fibre Optics and Tagged, this one will rock!!!

darius
Message: Posted by: The great Gumbini (May 20, 2009 10:06AM)
The ad says "With no switch...the card is immediately handed to the spectator" this is clearly showing that at the end of the effect there is no switching. When they see their name on the card it is that card that is handed to them. What MAGIC took place up until this point? Well we are all waiting. I do believe this is one of the good ones though.


Good magic to all,


Eric
Message: Posted by: ixnay66 (May 20, 2009 11:43AM)
[quote]
On 2009-05-20 11:06, gumbystock wrote:
The ad says "With no switch...the card is immediately handed to the spectator" this is clearly showing that at the end of the effect there is no switching. When they see their name on the card it is that card that is handed to them. What MAGIC took place up until this point? Well we are all waiting. I do believe this is one of the good ones though.


Good magic to all,


Eric
[/quote]

What do you mean by "Well we are all waiting." Are you saying you deserve to have the modus operandi explained to you hear in an open forum? I think the idea is for people to buy the effect if they want to know how it works. You act like you're entitled and Richard is being a jerk by not explaining the mechanics of the effect.
Message: Posted by: bob.smith (May 20, 2009 02:05PM)
I have never been disappointed by Richard's stuff, so this has been added to wish-list. :)
Message: Posted by: Vraagaard (May 20, 2009 02:47PM)
[quote]
On 2009-05-20 09:40, MagicMcQuade wrote:
Switch or no switch, the effect looks great and will get great reactions. I don't get why people are so opposed to switches,
darius
[/quote]

Hey Darious, we are not concerned with switches. We are looking for new methods. And I´m very interested in knowing whether Richard Sanders, whom I consider to be one of the real innovators has come up with some entirely new.

I do switches all the time, and they easily fly by, even magicians. I´m just curious about new methods.

Best regards

Jan

[quote]
On 2009-05-20 12:43, ixnay66 wrote:
[quote]
On 2009-05-20 11:06, gumbystock wrote:
The ad says "With no switch...the card is immediately handed to the spectator" this is clearly showing that at the end of the effect there is no switching. When they see their name on the card it is that card that is handed to them. What MAGIC took place up until this point? Well we are all waiting. I do believe this is one of the good ones though.


Good magic to all,


Eric
[/quote]

What do you mean by "Well we are all waiting." Are you saying you deserve to have the modus operandi explained to you hear in an open forum? I think the idea is for people to buy the effect if they want to know how it works. You act like you're entitled and Richard is being a jerk by not explaining the mechanics of the effect.
[/quote]

Hi ixnay66.

I would like to comment on this because I come from the same point of view as Eric. Unfortunately words written is a strange thing, and I do think we tend to over exaggerate their meaning. Especially in a forum where things are written fast and unedited. I believe that what both I and Eric means is, that the only supposedly new thing except for a great effect in "Identity" is the part that says "NO SWITCH". And I assume we are both more than happy to buy this effect, but we would truely like to hear some review comment on the "NO SWITCH" part. We are looking for new methods and is very interested in exactly this part.

We are not at all asking anybody to reveal any kind of method. Nobody is acting like Richard is a jerk. I think it is pretty strong words of you to use, and since words written are peculiar, I could fear that somebody might read it as intolerance on your part. I assume that it is not case, you just wrote your comment fast and unedited. I did get the point though, and that's why I´m answering.

We have all just bought to many effects based on a single phrase/promise. We are very interested in the "NO SWITCH". that's the real new thing about this effect from a method point of view. Is it for real, or is it "from the spectators point of view it is experienced as a switch did not occur". There is a lot of difference between these two happenings from a method point of view.

And please, since this comment was written fast, but edited :) , then please read it with a smile on your lip. No harm was meant not even the slightest

Best regards

Jan
Message: Posted by: RooMan (May 20, 2009 04:12PM)
Boy, I wish more posts were like Vraagaard's.

And I wish I knew how to pronounce "Vraagaard".
Message: Posted by: gaffed (May 20, 2009 06:43PM)
I'll have to totally agree with what Vraagaard posted. I don't think gumbystock was asking for the [i]Modus operandi[/i] of the trick but merely awaiting for the forthcoming reviews as I am (and others are) and I'm sure they will. I saw nothing in his post where he in any way shape or form alluded to Richard Sanders as being a "jerk" and accusing him of such a thing was somewhat uncalled for.

Richard gives out quality effects/DVD's but I've not yet purchased it. As said, I'll wait for the reviews and I'm not expecting any detailed revelations as to how it works. After all.....that's what reviews are for! Simply to see what others think and the difficulties (or not) of a new effect are. Lighten up!

~gaffed~ ;)
Message: Posted by: lunatik (May 20, 2009 07:12PM)
There's a difference between 'no switch' and 'no ditch'....think about it
Message: Posted by: Robert M (May 20, 2009 08:25PM)
[quote]
On 2009-05-20 20:12, lunatik wrote:
There's a difference between 'no switch' and 'no ditch'....think about it
[/quote]

There you go.

Robert
Message: Posted by: Cameron Francis (May 20, 2009 09:04PM)
It looks to me as if after the name appears on the signed card, you hand it back to him/her without switching the card. This is also possible with the other routine that this one is based on. I don't understand what the expectation is...
Message: Posted by: Daegs (May 20, 2009 09:35PM)
[quote]I don't understand what the expectation is...[/quote]

I would assume after reading the post here, the expectation is a mechanical card that actually moves lines on the back of the card to form a persons name, and then somehow magically does this while still being examinable and able to be given away.

Perhaps invisible monkeys who can move ink with their minds would be helpful for this method....

It looks pretty obvious what is going on from the demo, which pretty honestly shows what the effect looks like imho(heck the ditch is on camera). What are people really bickering about?

You ask for demos, here is a demo that shows you how to perform this effect on your own without even buying the DVD(could say he gave away too much on this) and yet still people are claiming that it is somehow misleading?
Message: Posted by: gaffed (May 20, 2009 11:17PM)
[quote]
On 2009-05-20 22:35, Daegs wrote:

(heck the ditch is on camera)
[/quote]

It is? Wow, what video were [i]you[/i] watching! I would assume then that when anyone performs this it's a dead give away as to how it's done?! I guess Rich had best re-shoot this video all over again seeing that he gave the whole thing away in the demo! What [i]was[/i] he thinking? Hmmm....maybe I need a new monitor and or better glasses.

~gaffed~
Message: Posted by: Cameron Francis (May 21, 2009 01:13PM)
Actually, I don't think he gives away too much on the video. If you are familiar with "Named" you might know a bit about what's going on. But there is a lot more stuff on the dvd including the new routine which we don't really see on the demo.
Message: Posted by: gaffed (May 21, 2009 10:32PM)
[quote]
On 2009-05-21 14:13, Cameron Francis wrote:
Actually, I don't think he gives away too much on the video. If you are familiar with "Named" you might know a bit about what's going on. But there is a lot more stuff on the dvd including the new routine which we don't really see on the demo.
[/quote]

That is what is so great about Rich's DVD's. He never seems to leave any stone unturned. Always top notch production.

~gaffed~
Message: Posted by: ixnay66 (May 21, 2009 11:24PM)
I humbly stand corrected. I think I might have an idea how this works but I still think it's a great bit of close up theater so I'me looking forward to getting my hands on one when the orders ship in a couple of weeks.
Message: Posted by: Steve Brooks (May 22, 2009 11:11AM)
Richard is a very clever guy - I put my pre-order in awhile ago and am patiently waiting for what is sure to be a great investment. :)
Message: Posted by: Calvin826 (May 22, 2009 11:37AM)
Rich's stuff is great, I'm sure it'll be well worth the price.
Message: Posted by: NabsS (May 22, 2009 06:03PM)
If we could get the name of a perfect stranger without asking him/her it would be a great trick!

It seems like an interesting trick. I would like to know if it is effective on acquaintances/friends/family/people we know the name of beforehand.

Also, does it work with names in any script (Cyrillic, Greek, Japanese, Hieroglyphics, you name it) or only in a Latin script with no accents?
Message: Posted by: Steve Hook (May 22, 2009 06:08PM)
[quote]
On 2009-05-22 19:03, NabsS wrote:
If we could get the name of a perfect stranger without asking him/her it would be a great trick!

It seems like an interesting trick. I would like to know if it is effective on acquaintances/friends/family/people we know the name of beforehand.

Also, does it work with names in any script (Cyrillic, Greek, Japanese, Hieroglyphics, you name it) or only in a Latin script with no accents?
[/quote]

I'll send you a PM.

[quote]
On 2009-05-20 22:35, Daegs wrote:
[quote]I don't understand what the expectation is...[/quote]

I would assume after reading the post here, the expectation is a mechanical card that actually moves lines on the back of the card to form a persons name, and then somehow magically does this while still being examinable and able to be given away.

Perhaps invisible monkeys who can move ink with their minds would be helpful for this method....

It looks pretty obvious what is going on from the demo, which pretty honestly shows what the effect looks like imho(heck the ditch is on camera). What are people really bickering about?

You ask for demos, here is a demo that shows you how to perform this effect on your own without even buying the DVD(could say he gave away too much on this) and yet still people are claiming that it is somehow misleading?
[/quote]

Daegs:

All points of your post are right on, mon. Good post.

Steve H
Message: Posted by: Steve Brooks (May 24, 2009 12:15AM)
[b]NabsS[/b] said; "[i]Also, does it work with names in any script (Cyrillic, Greek, Japanese, Hieroglyphics, you name it) or only in a Latin script with no accents?[/i]"

You can't be serious... :fruity:
Message: Posted by: Rpascual (May 24, 2009 01:02AM)
I hope there are accents because were I live and perform for most people, they have accents.
Message: Posted by: gaffed (May 24, 2009 09:07AM)
[quote]
On 2009-05-22 19:03, NabsS wrote:
does it work with names in any script (Cyrillic, Greek, Japanese, Hieroglyphics, you name it) or only in a Latin script with no accents?
[/quote]

WOW! :wow:


~gaffed~ [img]http://www.bonsaichat.net/gallery/data/506/rofl.gif[/img]
Message: Posted by: Steve Hook (May 24, 2009 05:03PM)
[quote]
On 2009-05-24 01:15, Steve Brooks wrote:
[b]NabsS[/b] said; "[i]Also, does it work with names in any script (Cyrillic, Greek, Japanese, Hieroglyphics, you name it) or only in a Latin script with no accents?[/i]"

You can't be serious... :fruity:
[/quote]

Steve:

That's a reasonable question if one hasn't deduced the method.
Message: Posted by: gaffed (May 24, 2009 06:31PM)
[quote]
On 2009-05-24 18:03, Steve Hook wrote:
Steve:
That's a reasonable question if one hasn't deduced the method.
[/quote]

Well I certainly can’t speak for Steve but I’ll have to admit that it just struck me as being terribly funny. Possibly call it a knee jerk reaction as it where and maybe a tad harsh (referring to my post and not Steve’s). I can see from NabsS profile that he is new to magic and I certainly would not wish to turn someone off to magic.

I remember being new to magic and [i]more[/i] than naïve with most of the effects. However, you’ll have to admit that common sense dictates that a signature is well….a signature and most obviously has [i][b]nothing[/b][/i] to do with ones language and or accents! In defense of Steve’s comment and mine (although mine was not brought up) that no matter how you twist, turn or tumble it over it was an outlandish and very funny question when one thinks about it even if one has nothing to do with or, knows nothing about magic!

With that said I will however apologize if NabsS took any offense or was offended in any way by [i]my[/i] post. In retrospect I’m quite sure that there were some occasions years ago that when I walked out of Magic Inc. here in Chicago that the people behind the counter simply lowered and shook their respective heads in dismay with some of my questions!

~gaffed~ ;)
Message: Posted by: thehawk (May 24, 2009 10:30PM)
I still remember the first time I saw IT and it blew me away till I found out how it was done.
Message: Posted by: Rpascual (May 24, 2009 11:57PM)
I've recently seen the richard sanders shows and one of the effects there is a part where a stickman on the back of the card jumps from the top of the deck and appears in the middle of deck. I watched the method and was a little bit I wouldn't say scared but not comfortable performing the p**s to accomplish that feat. I hope some of you guys understood.
Message: Posted by: The great Gumbini (May 25, 2009 12:43AM)
Thank you Jan and Gaffed---That was my point exactly. My order has been in. I meant we just need to wait til we receive it. I'm sorry if it was taken wrong. Ixnay66 I know you don't me but I would just like to say when it comes to magicians and the work they invent I always will be respectful. I understand how words can be taken to mean something else or misunderstood. That's why I always do one thing when I read a post---I always assume the person writing it is well intentioned and is a friend. It helps me to see whats being said in a different light. I know people can be cold to one another and disrespectful. I come to The Café to get away from all of that and visit with my friends. And as people who know me know my friends are ALL magicians who love magic.

Again a heart felt thank you to Jan and Gaffed. And Ixnay66 I hope now you have a clearer picture of the kind of person I am. Good this has given me the chance to talk to 3 more good friends.


Good magic to all,


Eric
Message: Posted by: thehawk (May 25, 2009 07:28AM)
Very thoughtfull post Eric.
Message: Posted by: gaffed (May 25, 2009 08:50AM)
[quote]
On 2009-05-25 08:28, thehawk wrote:
Very thoughtfull post Eric.
[/quote]

Amen.

~gaffed~ ;)
Message: Posted by: John Carey (May 25, 2009 08:59AM)
[quote]
On 2009-05-24 23:30, thehawk wrote:
I still remember the first time I saw IT and it blew me away till I found out how it was done.
[/quote]Was you still happy after you knew how it was done?
Message: Posted by: Steve Brooks (May 27, 2009 10:07PM)
Well, I certainly met no offense to anyone. The question just made me laugh out loud, that's all. When it comes to effects with signatures, names, etc I think we all realize you can only expect so much. ;)

So many times when a new effect is released some of the questions range from reasonable to the insane (e.g, can you do it naked?, can you do it in the rain?, etc.) I mean geez, we know It is not real magic and therefore whatever the method there will certainly be limitations.

Again, no offense. :)
Message: Posted by: cloneman (Jun 1, 2009 04:17PM)
Any reviews on this one yet? I'm eager to go to my local brick and mortar magic store to pick up a copy, but have a few other tricks on my "wish list." I'd love to hear what someone who has the trick has to say.

Thanks!
Message: Posted by: Michael Dustman (Jun 1, 2009 04:32PM)
Doesn't ship til next week.
Message: Posted by: gaffed (Jun 2, 2009 09:17AM)
Yep, according to the email I received from Rich it will not ship out until June 7.
Some slight delay in getting the gimmicked cards.

~gaffed~
Message: Posted by: cloneman (Jun 2, 2009 11:51AM)
Thanks. I asked because Tannen's just advertised it in the store's weekly deal e-mail. I assumed that meant they had it in stock. A call to Tannens confirmed that they will receive their shipment next week. We all wait in eager anticipation...
Message: Posted by: cmdash24 (Jun 2, 2009 12:40PM)
It's delayed? Placed a pre-order some time ago. June 7th...
Message: Posted by: Rpascual (Jun 2, 2009 01:33PM)
I hope june 7 doesn't turn to be june 10 then june15 then 17 and so on. Eagerly waiting
Message: Posted by: cmdash24 (Jun 2, 2009 01:34PM)
Well June 7th should be THE date. Sanders explained this in his newsletter.
Message: Posted by: Michael Dustman (Jun 2, 2009 03:23PM)
Yeah, I think anyone who ordered directly from Richard got the note on the delay. It is due to the card gaffs but are on the way to him now.
Message: Posted by: MikeOB (Jun 2, 2009 03:33PM)
I think Richard said in the email he sent that anyone who preordered will have it before the stores will. I really cannot wait for this one.

Mike
Message: Posted by: gaffed (Jun 2, 2009 10:34PM)
[quote]
On 2009-06-02 14:33, Rpascual wrote:
I hope june 7 doesn't turn to be june 10 then june15 then 17 and so on. Eagerly waiting
[/quote]

I wouldn't worry about it as Rich is a pretty stand up guy and not one to BS anyone.
After all it would serve him no purpose and I think it was [i]most[/i] considerate of him in notifying everyone of the delay as it was in no way obligatory of him doing so. Some would just have sloughed it it off and waited for some complaints to come in. Obviously such is not the case here. Hey....what's the rush? Gives you something to look forward to! In the interim practice some other magic effects that are in need of practice and buy a new TT! :lol:

~gaffed~ ;)
Message: Posted by: andykean (Jun 3, 2009 04:25AM)
Great customer service
Message: Posted by: MagicRoo (Jun 8, 2009 11:01AM)
I am waiting for the arrival of this effect.

Can someone of you post something when you recieve it please?
Message: Posted by: Voldemort (Jun 8, 2009 09:21PM)
[quote]
On 2009-06-08 12:01, MagicRoo wrote:
I am waiting for the arrival of this effect.

Can someone of you post something when you recieve it please?
[/quote]

Absolutely!

I can't wait to see what this is all about. As soon as I get it I'll post a few words about it.
Message: Posted by: MikeOB (Jun 9, 2009 08:38AM)
Did this ship yet? The email for preorders said june 7th but did not get an email saying it shipped. Like everyone else I preordered as well.

Mike
Message: Posted by: gaffed (Jun 9, 2009 11:26AM)
Well, I just received another email from Rich and it seems as though there is yet another delay for Identity. Seems as if this was totally out of his control and if all goes well it may possibly have a shipping date of next Tuesday 16th. Oh well, all good things come to those who wait.

~gaffed~ ;)
Message: Posted by: Adam Paul (Jun 9, 2009 05:06PM)
So, its been delayed - AGAIN!

This is the very last time I'll pre-order anything again. What happened to folks waiting until they had the goods BEFORE taking the money?

I dare say people will come back and leap to Richard's defense - they always do! But the fact is, this happens a lot. I'm not having a go at Richard here - just the whole pre-order system in general.

Incidentially, from what I understand, the "gimmicked" cards are very standard and available at practically any magic shop. If I'm right about that, why couldn't Richard pick up a few decks from his local magic shop and use them for the pre-orders, if he was THAT concerned about keeping us waiting?

AP.
Message: Posted by: Ron Vergilio (Jun 9, 2009 05:14PM)
A lot of people pre-order to get the discount. I, for one, know we'll get it before anyone else, so not pre-ordering will just delay you getting the effect at a later date. I guess you have to think about 'why' you pre-ordered.

-Ron
Message: Posted by: Cameron Francis (Jun 9, 2009 05:54PM)
Gaffs are becoming difficult to get a hold of, even the standard ones. I noticed a few online shops are out of some standard ones at the moment.

This might have something to do with the USPCC's new rules...
Message: Posted by: bobbyk (Jun 9, 2009 06:20PM)
[quote]
On 2009-06-09 18:06, Adam Paul wrote:
So, its been delayed - AGAIN!

This is the very last time I'll pre-order anything again. What happened to folks waiting until they had the goods BEFORE taking the money?

I dare say people will come back and leap to Richard's defense - they always do! But the fact is, this happens a lot. I'm not having a go at Richard here - just the whole pre-order system in general.




Incidentially, from what I understand, the "gimmicked" cards are very standard and available at practically any magic shop. If I'm right about that, why couldn't Richard pick up a few decks from his local magic shop and use them for the pre-orders, if he was THAT concerned about keeping us waiting?

AP.
[/quote]

I'm guessing that pre-orders aren't for you. If there was a discount and I believe there was for pre-orders, then I guess the price one pays for being out front & getting the discount is that there is ALWAYS a chance that some circumstance will arise that will cause a delay. What I've learned over the years is....it's no big deal as long as you get what you paid for in a reasonable amount of time. The world can wait for another magic effect....

If one isn't willing to take the risk...then simply don't pre-order. As for me, I'm fairly confident that any effect Mr. Sanders puts his name on is generally well worth it...and if I should end up waiting for it...so be it. I have had the same thing happen with effects that have been out for some time...the ole "out of stock" ploy....

I hope this is a great effect....

I am ordering mine today...even tho I will be behind all those Pre-Orders :)

My advice....(not that anyone wants it...RELAX & enjoy life :) )

Best,
Bobby
Message: Posted by: Review King (Jun 9, 2009 07:09PM)
I've had strong opinions about not pre-ordering. But, when it comes to creators like Richard, I like to support them anyway I can. I understand that delays happen and with a classy guy like Richard, he doesn't vanish, but tells you exactly what's going on.

Read what Richard wrote and you can feel his pain.
Message: Posted by: magicman1 (Jun 9, 2009 08:02PM)
I totally agree with you Christopher

Don
Message: Posted by: Voldemort (Jun 9, 2009 08:28PM)
I'm of the same mindset as you Chris. I don't place pre-orders much at all. (Been screwed a few times). But I have no problem pre-ordering from a select few. Richard is one of them.

I'm sure we will all have this in no time at all and I'm sure that Richard will not rest until we do have it.

V.
Message: Posted by: bekralik (Jun 9, 2009 08:36PM)
It's all about managing expectations and good communication, which I think Richard has done. If he had originally said June 16th, everyone would be cool - so put your expectations into perspective, it's not the end of the world.
Message: Posted by: gaffed (Jun 9, 2009 10:39PM)
[quote]
On 2009-06-09 18:06, Adam Paul wrote:

Incidentially, from what I understand, the "gimmicked" cards are very standard and available at practically any magic shop.
[/quote]

Really! Now how would you know [i]that[/i]?

Anyway, I don't have [i]any[/i] qualms in pre-ordering from Richard in the [i]least[/i]. I would however never do such a thing with some magic sites which I'll refrain from mentioning. Then again, I would never order [b]anything[/b] from them again given the junk (in my opinion) as to what they throw out.

As I mentioned earlier that Rich is a stand up guy and at least he has the decency to keep everyone informed as to where others would just let people sit by the side and steam!

~gaffed~
Message: Posted by: NYCJoePitt (Jun 9, 2009 11:16PM)
The whole concept of pre-ordering is about being one of the first to get an item. Actual release dates of products are another thing entirely. Richard is an excellent magician with an excellent reputation. He was even generous enough to offer a discount with the pre-order (though we know the advantage does work both ways!) There is little doubt that those who pre-ordered will get the effect before the general public as he has stated and re-stated.

Delays in a release date are a fact of life. It amazes me that the magi on this board still continue to **** and moan when a product gets delayed by a week or so... Richard Sanders is not trying to rip you off :) LOL.
Message: Posted by: Voldemort (Jun 9, 2009 11:33PM)
I don't think its that bad NYCJoepitt. Theres only been one poster complaining as of now.

At least I would HOPE that there are not so many who would complain over what really amounts to nothing.

I was happy to get the small discount. Ordering direct from the creator in this instance is another bounus for me. If its delayed for a month I wouldn't really be concerned.

V.
Message: Posted by: Adam Paul (Jun 10, 2009 03:23AM)
I guess I'm old fashioned - if I'm told a product will be available on a certain day - I expect that to be the case.

I'm also like a big kid at Christmas and wait by the door when the mail man arrives - only to be disappointed to find he's just delivered bills and not my DVD!

Obviously pre-ordering has its benefits - usually cheaper price and you get it before everybody else. Of course on the creators side, they get money back quickly to help finance the project. Of course some people (like a certain mentalist) take advantage of this and get money for products that are not even written, but that's another story....

I just wished that when creators set release dates for pre-orders they maybe added a week or two on top of the date they expected delivery. That way, any delays wouldn't affect the purchaser and in most cases people who pre-ordered would have their orders EARLIER than expected and not later - so no disappointments!

Anyway, I don't expect people to agree with me as I'm sure people will read in to this that I'm having a go at Richard - which I'm most certainly not!

Just my thoughts on pre-ordering in general.

AP.
Message: Posted by: MagicRoo (Jun 10, 2009 03:35AM)
Well, I can image situations where you need to rely on the dates. For example if you planned a show and already announced an "incredible" effect. But even in this case you need to be aware of the risk of internet shopping (pre-ordering AND regular ordering).

I was willing to take the risk and I appreciate that Richard does inform us. I also believe that he is really doing everything he can to speed up the process.
Message: Posted by: Christopher Williams (Jun 10, 2009 07:05AM)
Richard is a top Magician, and as only a few I have noticed actually say, has some serious chops in card handling! Easily one of the most skilled sleight of hand Magicians on the planet, and not many people see this or praise him for it.

As for pre-orders, I can understand a creator offering pre-order, but not a Magic shop. Creators do it because unlike Magic shops and sites, they don't have all the time in the world to process high amount of orders and get them posted out on a one off basis, sending the all out to various locations. A Magic shop/site is intended for that purpose, and so the creator sends to them a bulk to just a few locations, sometimes just one (Magic wholesaler - Murphys Magic). The site can manage the huge amount of orders and send them out to customers as that is their job.
Creators when sending to wholesalers or shops have to slash the price so the shop can make their money on the product, so when they offer it themselves for pre-release, it is to try and make some sort of costs to cover not only the production value in all aspects, but to make some sort of financial benefit for their hard time, work and release of an item in their reportoire. They also know that a lot of people will go to their regular Magic shop/site to order, and so hope in offering discount and pre-release, that this will make more people go to the creator instead of the Shop/site.
This is why I find it unfair of shops to do the same. I realise they are all competing with each other to try and get their finanical gain as well to the business, but it takes away from the creator, and when the creator comes across issues such as this one occuring here, the shops get it in the ear as well for people who made pre-orders through them. Perhaps this should be a lesson to shops/sites not to offer pre-orders as their reputation is on the line as well...
Message: Posted by: MikeOB (Jun 10, 2009 10:58AM)
This is actually my first preorder. Richard seems to be a real stand up guy. He comes across as a very honest guy. I am very excited about Identity. I am glad I preordered from someone like Richard and will do so in the future. I understand that there was a snafu and it really is not a big deal to me. He has done a great job of communicating why their was a delay.

Mike
Message: Posted by: judgehiker (Jun 11, 2009 11:27PM)
I have had this theory that all magicians are really little kids trapped in an adults body. This thread has proven my theory because it sounds like a bunch of kids who can hardly contain themselves in anticipation of opening the present that will soon be coming. I am one of the kids too. Intellectually I understand patience and and the virtue of waiting for good things to come. I also understand that this is beyond Richard's control and he is a great guy etc. Emotionally though, when it comes to new magic the juices are already flowing. The expectation is exquisite pain. I look longingly at a mail box that I know is empty. Soon it will be there. I will open the package. By next week I will be prowling the forum for the latest and greatest and it will start all over. Perhaps not,though. This really may be the ONE! I know it is out there. I want it now.
Message: Posted by: andykean (Jun 13, 2009 11:26PM)
Good things come to those who wait!!
I am sure this will be worth it
Message: Posted by: Adam Paul (Jun 16, 2009 11:24AM)
I'm pretty sure that Richard's email said that he would be shipping all orders for Identity on Monday 15th at the latest. But he also said he'd send an email letting us know when they have been shipped.

Since I've not received a further email, I assume it's been delayed (AGAIN!).

This is the very last time I will pre-order anything - no matter what!

From what I understand Russ Stevens' latest release was sent out a week early than the advertised date. Now THAT's a man who understands customer service!

Since Richard is clearly "Mr Popular" on here and nobody seems to say a word against him - I fully expect a barage of angry replies. But before you do so, please remember that just because my opinion doesn't match yours, doesn't mean that I can't have my say too!

AP.
Message: Posted by: Review King (Jun 16, 2009 12:25PM)
Richard's DVD comes with a gimmick. The gimmick not being available is what caused the delay. My cousins baby is two weeks overdue. I guess she can be mad at GOD for the delay;-)

Based on his track record, IDENTITY will most likely will be a big hit. I use his "NAMED" which is based on "IDENTITY" so I know the impact it has on people.
Message: Posted by: Nico Zottos (Jun 16, 2009 01:07PM)
Adam, yes you are entitled to your opinion but it doesn't seem you understand the circumstances. This isn't Richard's fault. Im sure he allowed plenty of time for the gimmicks to arrive and was expecting to get them on time but something OUT OF HIS CONTROL happened. What could he do? He isn't just sitting there laughing at all of the people waiting for Identity. Im sure he is trying his hardest to get these out which will will most likely be notified about!

The same situation can be applied to a lost package in the mail as an example. Who do you blame? The person who shipped it or the Postal Service? Obviously the postal service because it was out of the shipper's control after he gave it to the Postal Service. If you place an order for special cards from the USPCC but the cards don't arrive on time or there are delays, who do you blame? The person ordering or the person making and delivering the cards.

Just my two cents.

Nico
Message: Posted by: Darius666 (Jun 16, 2009 03:58PM)
If you pre-order you are still getting it before anyone else, no matter how long its delayed.

Maybe some people on this forum should actually step out in to the real world, and they might realise that delays do happen. All it takes is for one small thing to happen and a whole prject can be put back a week.

Im getting so fed up with all the children on here moaning about it. If he hasn't sent out a email out why not email him instead of coming on here. Get a life and deal with it!

Darius
Message: Posted by: Magicsharpie1 (Jun 16, 2009 04:10PM)
Says on his website that it will be shipped on the 17th, which is tomorrow
Message: Posted by: Adam Paul (Jun 16, 2009 04:41PM)
[quote]
On 2009-06-16 16:58, MagicMcQuade wrote:
If he hasn't sent out a email out why not email him instead of coming on here. Get a life and deal with it!


[/quote]

If you've ever tried emailing Richard you'd know why I've come on The Café - he doesn't reply to emails. At least he never has to any of mine!

I've read a few other people on here say the same thing, so at least I know its not just me!

AP.
Message: Posted by: Xcath1 (Jun 16, 2009 05:27PM)
I am not so concerned about the delay but about the availability of replacement Gaffs which are obviously in short supply right now due to USPC policy. Although the Gaff is not destroyed in the performance we all know how long a playing card will last before it becomes bent, frayed, etc. Because of this I have generally only used Gaffs that could be replaced a deck at a time. For instance the Ellusionist Gaff deck seemed like a poor value to me. If your favorite gaff was destroyed it could not be replaced individually. I have a small stockpile of various cards but doubt I will ever have the time to construct my own and hope they become available again soon.
Message: Posted by: Charlie Justice (Jun 16, 2009 05:44PM)
Dear Richard,

I'm in absolutely no hurry whatsoever & trust you 99% (just keeping that real).
If you need to delay my pre-order for whatever reason...so be it.
And if you would like to bump my pre-order to the back of the line so as to stop some of the others from freaking out...have at it.
Get to my pre-order whenever.
Hope all continues as re-planned.

peace, charlie
Message: Posted by: johndraws (Jun 16, 2009 10:51PM)
[quote]
On 2009-06-16 16:58, MagicMcQuade wrote:
If you pre-order you are still getting it before anyone else, no matter how long its delayed.

Maybe some people on this forum should actually step out in to the real world, and they might realise that delays do happen. All it takes is for one small thing to happen and a whole prject can be put back a week.

Im getting so fed up with all the children on here moaning about it. If he hasn't sent out a email out why not email him instead of coming on here. Get a life and deal with it!

Darius
[/quote]

A message board is a place to voice your opinion. Not all of it has to be sunshine and rainbows. If someone is disappointed, let them speak without the insults. The people who have been vocal about their disappointments are not overly exaggerating this as being a world crisis. So please...stop blowing it out of proportion. Simple suggestions, concerns and well...disappointment. There were different ways this delay could have been handled regardless of the fact "Stuff happens". It is not so much what you cannot do, but what you can do. Everyone understands obsticals...it is how the seller handles them that will impress you as a customer.... or not. So far...as great of a magician as Sanders may be, no matter how much people describe him as a stand up guy...I can say service and communication at this point is less than impressive on the retail side.
Just my thoughts. Take them as you may.
Message: Posted by: lunatik (Jun 16, 2009 11:12PM)
Here's the full email from Richard Sanders and it's great news!



Hi Guys,


As promised here is the FINAL UPDATE regarding Identity.

I just received the final DVDs...in my own hands...earlier today!!!!!!! :) :) :)
So, Identity finally ships tomorrow (June 17)...yaaa!!!!

Sorry for all the delays.

I wish I could have controlled all of this craziness but this was out of my hands as the Bicycle Playing Card Company has been very difficult to deal with during this period.
Through much persistence, I managed to use every resource I could muster up to get the necessary gimmicks to include with the effect.

If you have ever purchased from me before, you know that I always stand by my deadlines regarding releases but due to the unforeseen circumstances regarding the gimmicks for Identity, everything was delayed.

Do not expect this type behavior with other Sanders FX products.

Thank you again for your patience and your support...you rock!!!!!

Your DVD will be mailed out tomorrow.

Again, I thank you so much for your patience, your support and your business.

Best Regards,

Richard Sanders

Sanders FX
Unbelievable Magic
Message: Posted by: Richard Sanders (Jun 16, 2009 11:54PM)
Hello guys,

First, thanks for all the fantastic support here on the Café!!!

I have been working very hard to get Identity out to you in a timely manner but again, as mentioned numerous times here on the Café, it has been an absolute nightmare trying to get the necessary gimmicked cards for the effect.

By every means possible and using every resource that I could muster up, I managed to get my hands on the cards...and trust me this was no easy feat!

I have maintained close contact with all my subscribers, keeping them abreast of all the issues throughout the experience.

I peeked in at the Café when I could, in order to see what information was available to you and to make sure that you were also well informed as to the situation at hand.
I personally want to thank all the people here on the Café that have so kindly made everyone aware of the situation as best they could...you guys rock!!!
I sincerely appreciate all your help.

So, the FINAL WORD is this:

Identity finally arrived today!!!!!!!!!!
It will be shipped out tomorrow (June 17th).

Check your magic shops in a week or so for availability.
If you pre-ordered from Sanders FX you will have already received word on expected dates of delivery via email.

I hope you enjoy the product, there is a ton of information crammed onto the DVD so be sure to take it all in.

Thank you again for your support here on the Café!!!!!

Best Regards,

Richard Sanders
Message: Posted by: mimo67 (Jun 17, 2009 12:44AM)
Great news, thanks a lot Richards, the wait will be over soon then ! We all appreciate your efforts here I think...
Best
Message: Posted by: Voldemort (Jun 17, 2009 07:36AM)
[quote]
On 2009-06-16 23:51, johndraws wrote:
[quote]
On 2009-06-16 16:58, MagicMcQuade wrote:
If you pre-order you are still getting it before anyone else, no matter how long its delayed.

Maybe some people on this forum should actually step out in to the real world, and they might realise that delays do happen. All it takes is for one small thing to happen and a whole prject can be put back a week.

Im getting so fed up with all the children on here moaning about it. If he hasn't sent out a email out why not email him instead of coming on here. Get a life and deal with it!

Darius
[/quote]

A message board is a place to voice your opinion. Not all of it has to be sunshine and rainbows. If someone is disappointed, let them speak without the insults. The people who have been vocal about their disappointments are not overly exaggerating this as being a world crisis. So please...stop blowing it out of proportion. Simple suggestions, concerns and well...disappointment. There were different ways this delay could have been handled regardless of the fact "Stuff happens". It is not so much what you cannot do, but what you can do. Everyone understands obsticals...it is how the seller handles them that will impress you as a customer.... or not. So far...as great of a magician as Sanders may be, no matter how much people describe him as a stand up guy...I can say service and communication at this point is less than impressive on the retail side.
Just my thoughts. Take them as you may.
[/quote]

Speaking of "Blowing things out of proportion". You seem to have done a pretty good job of that yourself.

I have received multiple e-mails from Richard concerning the delay with Identity. It seems that you may be the only one who didn't. And besides, Its only two weeks late. Its a good thing that we still don't live in the days of "Please allow 6-8 weeks for delivery". You would have hung yourself after the first month.

Richard, Please push my name back on the list so that you can get the DVD's out to the impatient little kids.

Some people need to get a grip.

V.
Message: Posted by: Xcath1 (Jun 17, 2009 08:51AM)
Richard, thanks for the update. If you are able and willing to comment, do you have any insight from the USPCC as to the future availability of replacement Gaffs? Do you think this a temporary glitch or a long term problem? I realize that one is not destroyed with each performance but cards are cards and I assume we get one (or a few) with the package. Thanks for any insight.
Message: Posted by: NexusMagicShop (Jun 17, 2009 02:46PM)
That's great news!

Thanks Richard for your insight.

- Jason
Message: Posted by: Cameron Francis (Jun 17, 2009 03:06PM)
Okay, seriously, I am not asking this to be a jerk, but what do people do with their gaffs that give them such short shelf lives? I have literally been using the same gaffed card for my effect Cagey for over four years. Okay, so the edges might be a little brown but it's barely noticeable. I keep it in a wallet when I'm not using it. I have used it in all sorts of performing environments, it's even gotten slightly wet a few times. But once it dries, it's totally fine.

I don't know. I've never really had to replace a gaff. I curious as to how other people's stuff gets worn out. is it a storage thing? A climate thing? I mean, if a card gets warped because of heat, it's easy enough to stick it in a book overnight. Just curious.

BTW, I am VERY excited to check out this effect!
Message: Posted by: Thomas Kwon (Jun 17, 2009 03:32PM)
[quote]
On 2009-06-17 16:06, Cameron Francis wrote:
Okay, seriously, I am not asking this to be a jerk, but what do people do with their gaffs that give them such short shelf lives? I have literally been using the same gaffed card for my effect Cagey for over four years. Okay, so the edges might be a little brown but it's barely noticeable. I keep it in a wallet when I'm not using it. I have used it in all sorts of performing environments, it's even gotten slightly wet a few times. But once it dries, it's totally fine.

I don't know. I've never really had to replace a gaff. I curious as to how other people's stuff gets worn out. is it a storage thing? A climate thing? I mean, if a card gets warped because of heat, it's easy enough to stick it in a book overnight. Just curious.

BTW, I am VERY excited to check out this effect!
[/quote]

some of us are cursed with very sweaty hands...
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Jun 17, 2009 03:47PM)
Voldemort wrote:"Please allow 6-8 weeks for delivery"

Ahhhh, memories, memories! I fondly remember those bygone days well!
Message: Posted by: Xcath1 (Jun 17, 2009 05:27PM)
Since I have been pretty vocal about the replacement cards and since I have a whole bunch of Cameron's DVDs and am a fan I am happy to have the opportunity to answer. Mostly I lose them, I throw them out by accident, they get sweaty from my hands or my pockets, I forgot where I put them, I put them in with my Skinner Monte cards and then can't find them again. I don't know where my "Stickman" set is. A careful, organized person could certainly keep their cards in good condition. I am an amateur and probably more careless with inexpensive props then a professional. I have spare "Extreme Burn" gimmicks, plenty of thumb tips, UV nightshade shims, etc. OK, I'm a grown man but I'm watching "Never Back Down" on cable the other night and who shows up as an ER Doc?
Message: Posted by: Cameron Francis (Jun 17, 2009 05:29PM)
Sweaty hands! Now, that makes sense. Didn't even think about it. Yes, that would shorten the life of a frequently used card a bit.
Message: Posted by: JamieD (Jun 17, 2009 05:41PM)
I suffer from sweaty pockets... aint life a B*tch!
Message: Posted by: johndraws (Jun 17, 2009 11:05PM)
[quote]
On 2009-06-17 00:54, Richard Sanders wrote:
Hello guys,

First, thanks for all the fantastic support here on the Café!!!

I have been working very hard to get Identity out to you in a timely manner but again, as mentioned numerous times here on the Café, it has been an absolute nightmare trying to get the necessary gimmicked cards for the effect.

By every means possible and using every resource that I could muster up, I managed to get my hands on the cards...and trust me this was no easy feat!

I have maintained close contact with all my subscribers, keeping them abreast of all the issues throughout the experience.

I peeked in at the Café when I could, in order to see what information was available to you and to make sure that you were also well informed as to the situation at hand.
I personally want to thank all the people here on the Café that have so kindly made everyone aware of the situation as best they could...you guys rock!!!
I sincerely appreciate all your help.

So, the FINAL WORD is this:

Identity finally arrived today!!!!!!!!!!
It will be shipped out tomorrow (June 17th).

Check your magic shops in a week or so for availability.
If you pre-ordered from Sanders FX you will have already received word on expected dates of delivery via email.

I hope you enjoy the product, there is a ton of information crammed onto the DVD so be sure to take it all in.

Thank you again for your support here on the Café!!!!!

Best Regards,

Richard Sanders
[/quote]

I sent a reply to the e-mail your forwarded to all. I hope you give it a read.

[quote]
On 2009-06-17 08:36, Voldemort wrote:
[quote]
On 2009-06-16 23:51, johndraws wrote:
[quote]
On 2009-06-16 16:58, MagicMcQuade wrote:
If you pre-order you are still getting it before anyone else, no matter how long its delayed.

Maybe some people on this forum should actually step out in to the real world, and they might realise that delays do happen. All it takes is for one small thing to happen and a whole prject can be put back a week.

Im getting so fed up with all the children on here moaning about it. If he hasn't sent out a email out why not email him instead of coming on here. Get a life and deal with it!

Darius
[/quote]

A message board is a place to voice your opinion. Not all of it has to be sunshine and rainbows. If someone is disappointed, let them speak without the insults. The people who have been vocal about their disappointments are not overly exaggerating this as being a world crisis. So please...stop blowing it out of proportion. Simple suggestions, concerns and well...disappointment. There were different ways this delay could have been handled regardless of the fact "Stuff happens". It is not so much what you cannot do, but what you can do. Everyone understands obsticals...it is how the seller handles them that will impress you as a customer.... or not. So far...as great of a magician as Sanders may be, no matter how much people describe him as a stand up guy...I can say service and communication at this point is less than impressive on the retail side.
Just my thoughts. Take them as you may.
[/quote]

Speaking of "Blowing things out of proportion". You seem to have done a pretty good job of that yourself.

I have received multiple e-mails from Richard concerning the delay with Identity. It seems that you may be the only one who didn't. And besides, Its only two weeks late. Its a good thing that we still don't live in the days of "Please allow 6-8 weeks for delivery". You would have hung yourself after the first month.

Richard, Please push my name back on the list so that you can get the DVD's out to the impatient little kids.

Some people need to get a grip.

V.
[/quote]


I have a higher standard. I don't appologize for it. If you read MY OWN thread on this...you would see I have been level headed as well as constructive. You would have also read my situation on the "multiple" e-mails and why I did not receive them. Please don't be infintile...understanding comes only after listening.

On the flip side of this...not to be cocky but...I speak through experience. Distibution is what I do for a living. We deal with everything mentioned previously and so much more. The difference is we deal with it in much larger volumes.
Message: Posted by: Voldemort (Jun 18, 2009 04:11PM)
I'm being infantile? Compared with the guy who freaks out over not getting his new toy NOW, NOW, NOW!! Give me a break man.

It seems that your only purpose in starting "Your" thread was to give yourself something to do. As good a place as any to throw a tantrum I guess.

And on the flip side... Richard does NOT work in distribution. He is a magician.

V.

P.S. I take it the level of education needed for "Distribution" is not that high. You Know... Seeing as how you can't even spell the word correctly.

P.P.S. Has it occurred to you that you seem to be the only one here with any sort of problem? What does that say about you? I wonder if you know.
Message: Posted by: johndraws (Jun 18, 2009 07:11PM)
Spelling...wow. You have me there. Go on, your on a roll.
Message: Posted by: magicandsoul (Jun 18, 2009 07:55PM)
[quote]
On 2009-06-18 20:11, johndraws wrote:
Spelling...wow. You have me there. Go on, your on a roll.
[/quote]
Actually it's "you're" not "your".

M&S
Message: Posted by: Robert M (Jun 18, 2009 08:04PM)
Geesh... give Richard a break. This is ridiculous.

Robert
Message: Posted by: magicman1 (Jun 18, 2009 08:10PM)
LOL...
Message: Posted by: Review King (Jun 18, 2009 08:15PM)
[quote]
On 2009-06-18 21:04, Robert M wrote:
Geesh... give Richard a break. This is ridiculous.

Robert
[/quote]

Robert, Amen to that!
Message: Posted by: gaffed (Jun 18, 2009 09:17PM)
[quote]
On 2009-06-18 21:04, Robert M wrote:
Geesh... give Richard a break. This is ridiculous.

Robert
[/quote]

A second Amen to that! Jeez.....give us [i][b]all[/b][/i] a freaking brake!
Whaaa.......where's my toy, where's my toy, where's my toy! :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
For heaven sakes grow up already and [b]deal[/b] with it!

~gaffed~ :rolleyes:
Message: Posted by: Ron Vergilio (Jun 18, 2009 09:53PM)
Okay, I guess we beat that horse to death. LOL

At least we know it's in the mail now.

-Ron
Message: Posted by: Dan McLean (Jun 18, 2009 11:14PM)
Is it over?

Can I come out now?
Message: Posted by: nickivory (Jun 19, 2009 04:44AM)
Absolutely looking forward to this effect! Richard never ceases to amaze with his esoteric thinking. I perform with most of his effects and every single one of them just KILLS. Recently I performed his "Extreme Burn" on a National Television Commercial. His website will be updated soon with a clip of this commercial.

Anyways.............always have been a huge fan!

Magically,
Nick Ivory
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Jun 19, 2009 11:19AM)
Richard's the man. Always generous in sharing with the rest of us some truly outstanding magical creations, and thinking that is outside the box.
Message: Posted by: andykean (Jun 19, 2009 07:29PM)
Looking forward to it arriving down under!!
Message: Posted by: Voldemort (Jun 19, 2009 07:36PM)
I'm really looking forward to it as well.

A few more days...


V.
Message: Posted by: NexusMagicShop (Jun 20, 2009 04:43AM)
I trust Richard Sanders... His effects are usually very solid. I call his effects Kicker tricks! Great finishers!
Message: Posted by: Adam Paul (Jun 20, 2009 09:19AM)
Anyone have theirs yet?
AP.
Message: Posted by: Ron Vergilio (Jun 20, 2009 12:07PM)
The Canadian postal service is real slow so be patient. Generally five to ten 'working' days. :o(

Hopefully, some will get it quicker than here in Southern California.

-Ron
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Jun 20, 2009 06:08PM)
[quote]
On 2009-06-20 13:07, Ron Vergilio wrote:
The Canadian postal service is real slow so be patient. Generally five to ten 'working' days. :o(

Hopefully, some will get it quicker than here in Southern California.

-Ron
[/quote]
Very true! I can usually get an item from England about twice as fast as something from Canada. Go figure. Just the same, I'm confident it will be worth the wait.
Message: Posted by: Review King (Jun 21, 2009 07:04AM)
I'm in Arizona and have gotten packages from the Ontario area in just 3-4 days.
Message: Posted by: The Baldini (Jun 21, 2009 07:55AM)
This has to be a record for the most amount of post's before anyone has even received it, I hope that those of you who get it will be honest and post a full review, not just telling us how brilliant the inventor is or how nice a guy he is, we all know he is both already, but how good the actual effect is in real life.
Message: Posted by: Review King (Jun 21, 2009 11:42AM)
[quote]
On 2009-06-21 08:55, dave wrote:
This has to be a record for the most amount of post's before anyone has even received it, I hope that those of you who get it will be honest and post a full review, not just telling us how brilliant the inventor is or how nice a guy he is, we all know he is both already, but how good the actual effect is in real life.
[/quote]

In reality, most reviews are almost useless. I have seen people pan products literally within minutes of getting them. Some folks rave about a product and you find out they are 14 and have only performed for their mother.

I've used effects for years that get gasps and have seen people slam it. So, do I go by reviews? Yes, if I know and trust the reviewer. If I know they actually perform ( doesn't have to be for pay ).

I rarely wait for a review before ordering from a creator if I already use an effect(s) of theirs. If it's around $30 with a dvd, I get it.

A small sample of Richards track record is

Tagged
Extreme Burn
Fiber Optics
Interlace

I think we're safe with Identity. Could I be wrong? Doubtful as I have used "Named", which Identity is based on, for years. I know the reactions when their name appears on the card.

Next week we'll know for sure.
Message: Posted by: Kyf (Jun 22, 2009 05:48AM)
Hi,

I'm in the UK - my DVD arrived today - initial look - production quality and explinations EXCELLENT.

Well worth the wait.


Keith
Message: Posted by: NYCJoePitt (Jun 22, 2009 06:50AM)
And the winner is... the UK???
Message: Posted by: mimo67 (Jun 22, 2009 07:02AM)
Arrived today in France too (but pre-ordered very soon). Didn't have time to look into it, more to come.
Message: Posted by: JamieD (Jun 22, 2009 07:52AM)
Mine also arrived and ive just finished consuming it all. This dvd is crammed with material. Lots of subtlties and different idea's on handlings. There is a version which I can tell would fool magicians and laymen alike. Very cool effect.

Jamie Daws
Message: Posted by: Review King (Jun 22, 2009 09:36AM)
I don't have mine yet, but I'd put this challenge out to anyone that gets it and feels it's not for them. Learn it and perform it and see the reactions you get when their name appears. I perform "Named" and it kills and I think Identity will do the same for us, but in a simpler and more magical way.
Message: Posted by: Newb2 (Jun 22, 2009 11:33AM)
I have a quick question regarding the gimmick if any of you guys can answer. Is it something you can make on your own? I'd probably like to make the gimmick for other brands of playing cards I use or when the gimmick wears down. Any insight would be much appreciated.
Message: Posted by: JamieD (Jun 22, 2009 11:43AM)
Well... Richard has included a virtually impromtue and gimickless version soo yes, it can be done with any deck of cards.

Jamie Daws
Message: Posted by: jprace (Jun 22, 2009 01:33PM)
Got this today.
Message: Posted by: Bob Tucker (Jun 22, 2009 05:01PM)
I got mine in the mail today.
don't MISS THIS ONE IT IS STUNNING AND WILL BECOME A CLASSIC. GET IT BEFORE IT SELLS OUT
Message: Posted by: Ron Vergilio (Jun 23, 2009 12:55AM)
I received mine today (Monday) also, I was totally surprised to get it this fast. You'll really enjoy it Ricky as he likes to use your name a lot in the DVD. LOL

I really like the effect. Just a little practice to get it down smooth. The slights are basic and Richard goes over them in detail to help those who haven't done them in the past. He shows them from several angles also to make everything clear. He also shows a long version and a short version which is nice depending on the venue you are doing the effect.

But... I have to admit, the gimmick surprised me. ;o)

This is a winner.

-Ron
Message: Posted by: NexusMagicShop (Jun 23, 2009 02:40AM)
Sales on my site have spiked since the first post of the one received in the UK! So funny! It's like everyone waited to see if Richard was really going to release it? lol
Message: Posted by: andykean (Jun 23, 2009 03:28AM)
Still not arrived in New Zealand!
I am sure it will be worth the wait!!
Message: Posted by: MaxBeat (Jun 23, 2009 03:54AM)
I received it to Sweden yesterday and have already been playing around with it!
Its quite easy trick to handle if you have some basic card knowledge! And the response from a laymen is GREAT! The best part is when they start to recap the trick they make it even more imposible!

Fantastic Mr. Sanders, tnx a lot!
Message: Posted by: Merlin (Jun 23, 2009 04:48AM)
[quote]
On 2009-06-23 01:55, Ron Vergilio wrote:
But... I have to admit, the gimmick surprised me. ;o)
-Ron
[/quote]

I also was surprised. Those that questioned about replacements, need not worry.
Message: Posted by: Scott Imler (Jun 23, 2009 09:23AM)
When you say surprised do you mean its clever or just not what you thought it would be?
Message: Posted by: Review King (Jun 23, 2009 09:41AM)
I would suggest that those that are waiting for some miracle review to sway you, don't bother. Identity is going to be a world wide hit that PROFESSIONALS will use in their work.

Just ordered it and have a miracle.
Message: Posted by: MikeOB (Jun 23, 2009 10:55AM)
Mine arrived yesterday. I went through the dvd last night and will continue to make sure I have it down. From what I saw so far, I am very happy with the effect and how detailed Richard is going through the effects and sleights. The gimmick is what I thought it was. I know this will be amazing.

Mike
Message: Posted by: Review King (Jun 23, 2009 11:57AM)
I've tried to figure out what the gimmick is, but have come up with nothing. I thought because I did Named, I could figure it out. Nope.
Message: Posted by: Ron Vergilio (Jun 23, 2009 01:04PM)
So, Chris, are you waitng at the edge of your chair for it to arrive? LOL

I'm sure you will get a chuckle on the gimmick.

-Ron
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Jun 23, 2009 01:18PM)
OK, I have to eat my words about slow shipping from Canada. Mine also arrived yesterday. As usual, great teaching and production values form Richard. Ron, I'm with you about being suprised by the gimmick! LOL That's all I'm going to say. I look forward to practicing this and using it regularly.

Mike
Message: Posted by: gadfly3d (Jun 23, 2009 01:19PM)
Also waiting but while waiting have come up with a method

Gil
Message: Posted by: PatrickGregoire (Jun 23, 2009 01:44PM)
So is the impossible looking shake change included in the explanations?
Message: Posted by: MikeOB (Jun 23, 2009 02:10PM)
Everything you see on the demo is explained step by step. I am very happy with this effect. The dvd is definitely worth it. To me it was worth the wait. Richard really does a great job of explaining the multiple handlings. This is something I really have to get down before I perform it.

Mike
Message: Posted by: rochaz (Jun 23, 2009 02:50PM)
Agreed!
Richard always impresses me with his detailed explanations...this includes all the extra time he takes on this DVD to explain the different "moves" required to perform this effect.
He leaves no stone unturned!

But as MikeOB stated, this will take some practice to get it down properly.

The best part is that Richard gives us multiple versions (including an impromptu version)to work with.

Greta job Richard!

Respectfully,
Rochaz
Message: Posted by: PatrickGregoire (Jun 23, 2009 03:45PM)
Just got home and found it in the mail. Opened it up to see the gimmick and... You guys are really mean! :P Saying that the gimmick surprised you is just throwing people on a loop trying to figure out what it is. It is what I thought it was going to be. You're surprised because you were expecting something more complex.
Message: Posted by: tdowell2007 (Jun 23, 2009 04:04PM)
Still nothing yet..... :(
Message: Posted by: Lawrens Godon (Jun 23, 2009 04:24PM)
I have no doubt this is an excellent item, coming from Richard Sanders, no doubt about that.
I'm considering buy one soon.

But why does he state:

"No previous knowledge of the spectator is necessary"
It's obvious that you have to know, for the name to appear!

Am I wrong?
Message: Posted by: PatrickGregoire (Jun 23, 2009 04:38PM)
You do not have to know their name before you perform the effect.
Message: Posted by: Lawrens Godon (Jun 23, 2009 04:42PM)
If so well that's awesome...
Message: Posted by: PatrickGregoire (Jun 23, 2009 05:00PM)
Meaning you walk up to them without knowing their name.

Any owners of True Astonishments think of applying the last change of Backlash 2 to Identity, instead of the Shake Change? Because of the routine, they see the marks travel from card to care and then land on their card. They will surely be CONVINCED that if there is anything on their card, it's the marks. So you just take their card and do the Backlash 2 change instead of the Shake Change. It cuts down on the moves at the end and you can immediately hand out the card after the change. Instantly reset as with the Shake Change. Keeping the powerful psychology behind the change, it would be just as visual as the Shake Change.
Message: Posted by: Ron Vergilio (Jun 23, 2009 05:13PM)
Sure patrick... At least some mirrors or trap doors. Actually, I do not know what I really expected. LOL

-Ron
Message: Posted by: r1ch-oxford (Jun 23, 2009 05:49PM)
I've had this for a couple of days. I'm very impressed with the superb explanations and detail Richard goes into. This is another superb release from him and very good value for money in my opinion. I am slightly confused why we had to wait so long for the gimmicked card? These are available all over the place aren't they?

Those who have received it, will hopefully know what I mean?

Any ideas guys?

Rich
Message: Posted by: JamieD (Jun 23, 2009 06:05PM)
Just another presentational idea for those of you who perform on somebody you know. I like to ask them to think of their favorate childhood cartoon charecter. Then to pick a card and draw it on the face of the card. Continue with the extended effect and end with the name of the cartoon on the back of the card. Again, very strong reactions to all I've perfomed this to!

Jamie Daws
Message: Posted by: Nico Zottos (Jun 23, 2009 06:08PM)
Rich,

The USPCC has been relocating to a different factory so they have stopped the production temporarily for gaffed cards. Most online dealers are actually out of these currently.
Message: Posted by: Sammy J. (Jun 23, 2009 06:29PM)
Just got mine. When I saw the gimmick and the real life performance (not the promo), I thought "Ah man, I will never do this", but when I watched the explaination I realized that all the moves are ones I know or are within my reach (I'm not much of a card guy). Richard's teaching style is "Bar None" the best I've seen. I bought this because the other two items I've purchased from Richard (Fiber Optics and Extreme Burn) are permanent parts of my repertoire. I will play with this for a while before I decide whether it's for me. I would like to explore some of his older material. Sounds like a lot of good stuff.
Sammy
Message: Posted by: Xcath1 (Jun 23, 2009 07:16PM)
In the States and in Chicago and I don't have it yet, bummed
Message: Posted by: Voldemort (Jun 23, 2009 08:22PM)
I haven't gotten mine as of yet either. :bawl:

Oh well it can't be long now.

On the upside, If the gimmick is what I think it is, I have a bunch of them. I stocked up a while back.

V.
Message: Posted by: johndraws (Jun 23, 2009 09:41PM)
Still haven't received mine yet. Can't wait.
Message: Posted by: Review King (Jun 23, 2009 10:02PM)
Well, whatever it is, I'm glad to hear it will take practice. I'd rather have soemthing that takes work so that the folks that want self working effects will leave it alone.
Message: Posted by: johndraws (Jun 23, 2009 10:10PM)
[quote]
On 2009-06-23 23:02, Christopher Kavanagh wrote:
Well, whatever it is, I'm glad to hear it will take practice. I'd rather have soemthing that takes work so that the folks that want self working effects will leave it alone.
[/quote]

I don't mind self working gaffed items...they have their use. However, I agree that it is more fulfilling to have had worked for the reactions.
Message: Posted by: andykean (Jun 23, 2009 11:28PM)
Still nothing yet.....
Message: Posted by: dgcuff (Jun 24, 2009 08:07AM)
Once you know what the gaff is, Richard Sanders' frustration at not being able to ship on time makes more sense. I feel for him.

Also, as a good Canadian, I'm sure he would rather have had Identity in the hands of those attending the CAM convention in Montreal... rather than have it arrive after they return from the convention. ;)
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Jun 24, 2009 12:53PM)
Just got mine in the mail a minute ago! Can't wait to rip it open! Just like a kid at Christmas!
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Jun 24, 2009 01:05PM)
[quote]
On 2009-06-24 09:07, dgcuff wrote:
Once you know what the gaff is, Richard Sanders' frustration at not being able to ship on time makes more sense. I feel for him.

Also, as a good Canadian, I'm sure he would rather have had Identity in the hands of those attending the CAM convention in Montreal... rather than have it arrive after they return from the convention. ;)
[/quote]

After opening I am quite puzzled at why he had trouble...extremely common gaff...(I make them myself for certain effects, and also buy them by the gross from online magic shops like Hank Lee)...but nevertheless, be that as it may, that doesn't detract from the effect. I think it's going to be killer...can't wait to get into it!

Thanks Richard, man, you rock!
Message: Posted by: johndraws (Jun 24, 2009 06:58PM)
[quote]
On 2009-06-24 13:53, daffydoug wrote:
Just got mine in the mail a minute ago! Can't wait to rip it open! Just like a kid at Christmas!
[/quote]

Still nothing in the mail from Sanders here. When did you order yours? Do you live in the states? A person I know said he ordered it from Penquin and received it already. WOW. I am sure I will get my order but I am going out of town soon and I hope to get it before I do....this will be a second event I was unable to bust this out on.... :(
Message: Posted by: Voldemort (Jun 24, 2009 07:48PM)
I didn't get it yet either. I live in Florida and I ordered it on around may 12th or so I believe. Can't belive that people who ordered it from penguin are getting it already. Oh well!! That's usually the way it goes.

V.
Message: Posted by: Dan McLean (Jun 24, 2009 07:58PM)
As Richard just wrote me when I asked him a similar question, the post office is something of a crap shoot. I ordered several things from him and thought that might be holding up shipping. I was wrong.

I've never been able to see any reasonable pattern on when postal deliveries occur. Two people living in the same town can be sent the same item at the same time from the same shipper and there can be as much as a week difference in delivery dates.

Sigh.
Message: Posted by: Newb2 (Jun 24, 2009 08:21PM)
Penguin just added it today to their website, so I kinda doubt someone placed an order and it shipped to them already.
Message: Posted by: Mercury52 (Jun 24, 2009 11:51PM)
I preordered on day 1, and received the DVD today. Sat down and watched it tonight.

The gimmick and basic handling are pretty much what I expected them to be. That's not a bad thing.

Even if you think you know the basic idea of what's going on here, the DVD is a worthwhile investment. Richard has absolutely packed the DVD with handling tips, variations on the presentation, etc. You can tell Richard's been living with this effect for quite awhile and knows all of the ins and outs.

I personally like the "Maxed Out" version of the effect the best. It involves a little more gimmickery than the standard verison, but provides the cleanest presentation.

There's something here for everyone. Short presentations, long presentations. With a table or without a table. Using the included gimmick, or doing a more "impromptu" version. All of the sleights are well-taught. Most of the card work involved is stuff that any moderate or intermediate card worker will know and be able to pull off with a small amount of practice. If you've never seen some of these moves before, Richard covers them well.

The "color change in question" that's been such a topic of hot debate is taught on the DVD. If it's in the preview, it's on the DVD. It's a cool change. A bit knacky, but I think it looks great.

The effect for me has kind of a Sankey/Paul Harris feel. The overall presentation and several of the sleights used feel very Sankey-ish with the marks on the back of the card, while the 'name' aspect seems like something right up PH's alley.

All told, it's a practical effect that can be done anytime for total strangers and resets instantly. There are a lot of visual punches, and good emotional attachment by using their name.

Richard keeps knocking them out of the park: Interlace, Extreme Burn, Tagged... Need I say more?

Get Identity. You won't be disappointed.

Kevin
Message: Posted by: Review King (Jun 24, 2009 11:57PM)
Kevin, thanks for your professional critique. It's what I have guessed it to be form Richard: another worker effect straight from is own set.

A close friend wrote, that just got this. He's a VERY TOUGH guy on stuff. He loves it and told me why. So, I'm very excited about getting mine and adding to NAMED, that I already do.
Message: Posted by: Socalesq (Jun 25, 2009 02:02AM)
Well, look, I hate to rain on the parade, but I must say I was quite disappointed with Identity. Richard Sanders is one of my top 5 magicians around -- I absolutely love Extreme Burn and Tagged, use them all the time to killer effect. Love his rope stuff and think his ring on the shoelace is brilliant. His "Assassin" video is phenomenal, one of my favorites (and I have hundreds). So, believe me, I am a huge fan and have bought tons of stuff of his without ever having been let down. But I was expecting a lot more because of the demo, which I think is very misleading -- particularly the description of marking the card and the reappearance of the marked card in the middle of the deck. The demo perhaps shows those events as many laypeople will perceive them, but certainly not all. That seems like unfair advertising to me. Compare that demo to Extreme Burn, Tagged or the shoelace trick, all of which show events as they actually unfold. I also was expecting a lot more because I assumed the method would match the brilliance of his Extreme Burn and Tagged. Unfortunately, there was nothing extraordinary here. (Also, not that I care about the delay in shipping, given the ordinariness of the gimmick, there's no reason there should have been a delay -- they're readily available at any decent magic shop.) Sorry, Richard, but I'm a bit bummed by this one.
Message: Posted by: Simon Bakker (Jun 25, 2009 03:52AM)
I received Identity a couple days ago, five days from canada to Holland. That's very fast service!

Sadly, I have to say I was a bit dissapointed with identity too....
What is this? A negative review? Well, that depands on how you view it, there is a reasoning behind my dissapointment.

First of all, let me say, that I consider Richard Sanders a creative genius, and besides that a very nice, funny and patient guy (I've met him a couple of times during lectures). I have a lot of his products, and one of those is The Richard Sanders show. On one of the dvd's is an effect called 'Named.'

After first seeing this effect (Named) on the dvd and then live on a lecture, I immediatly fell in love with it. Great effect, right up my alley, and if you can pull it off, astonishment is garanteed. The premise (the same as Identity's premise) was amazing, but the handling was a bit cumbersome to me. I played with the effect and tried to come up with a more economical handling, but it didn't worked out. Sadly, therefore it never went into my working repetoire.

Then I read about the release of Identity. Identity was based on 'Named' but it was nothing like it! Well, I personally disagree with that statement. It think Identity is a lot like named (not only in effect, but also in handling).
Identity is more streamlined, but the methodology hasn't evolved very much since named (in my opinion, maybe some will disagree). That doesn't mean that Identity isn't a great effect, on the contrary, I can see this becoming a worker in the repetoire of professionals, but I don't see the revolutonairy difference in methodology compared to 'Named'. Named used the exact same gimmick, there is nothing added, but some technical details.

The maxed out version has great potential, and when I saw Richard performance I wondered why he didn't considered that the main version of Identity. But then....The ending leaves a lot to be desired. Richards handling on the dvd is very smooth, but it is my opinion that this handling will create serious (sound)problems in real world settings.

What you get when you order Identity is a dvd with a very nice effect, multiple handlings and subtleties. Richard's teaching is great. So, al in all, I think magicians who were not familair with Named will love this. Those who own the Richard Sanders show and are familair with Named might be a bit dissapointed.

Just my two cents.....

regards
Simon
Message: Posted by: Marc Frese (Jun 25, 2009 04:43AM)
I am also disappointed!
The DVD is outstanding produced. 9,5/10 !!!
But for me it is to 85% Named!
It should be called: "Named 2.0" or "Named extended!"
The selling price is ok! Therefore I am also not annoyed!

Completely examinable – ???
NO SWITCH – ???

I have mixed feelings with the purchase!

But no matter, Richard is great!

marc

Posted: Jun 25, 2009 5:46am
The explanations on the DVD are worth the money!
Message: Posted by: PatrickGregoire (Jun 25, 2009 06:48AM)
The CARD WITH THEIR NAME ON IT is completely examinable. There is NO SWITCH. He never lied. I agree with Simon; if you own The Sanders Show then you may very well be disappointed (this is Literally Mr. Stickman and Named used together in a routine) but if you don't own the set then you'll definitely love it. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the effect, it's just that I didn't really learn anything new because there wasn't much that was new on the Identity DVD that wasn't already in The Sanders Show!

Regarding the impossible looking change; I won't be wasting my time practicing it. I don't see the point. It's VERY difficult to get down and even if you do, a layman won't give a poop. To him that change and the shake change are exactly the same. You take the card, shake it at the fingertips and the marks change into their name. Sure maybe if you showed them both one after the other they may say they thought the impossible looking change looked a bit more impossible, but you won't be doing that and so I think for the amount of practice needed to get this change down, I find it unworthy of my practice time.
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Jun 25, 2009 09:31AM)
[quote]
On 2009-06-24 19:58, johndraws wrote:
[quote]
On 2009-06-24 13:53, daffydoug wrote:
Just got mine in the mail a minute ago! Can't wait to rip it open! Just like a kid at Christmas!
[/quote]

Still nothing in the mail from Sanders here. When did you order yours? Do you live in the states? A person I know said he ordered it from Penquin and received it already. WOW. I am sure I will get my order but I am going out of town soon and I hope to get it before I do....this will be a second event I was unable to bust this out on.... :(
[/quote]

I live I Indiana..and I pre-ordered as soon as the announcement was made that Richard was releasing this...hang tight..I'm sure yours is on the way as I type...

[quote]
On 2009-06-24 20:58, Dan McLean wrote:
As Richard just wrote me when I asked him a similar question, the post office is something of a crap shoot. I ordered several things from him and thought that might be holding up shipping. I was wrong.

I've never been able to see any reasonable pattern on when postal deliveries occur. Two people living in the same town can be sent the same item at the same time from the same shipper and there can be as much as a week difference in delivery dates.

Sigh.

[/quote]

U.S. Postal service? SNAFU.

Posted: Jun 25, 2009 10:48am

Personally, I really liked what I received. I own the "Sander's Show" set, too, but still felt Richard made significant evolutions with the premise. I felt he offered a lot of value for the money cram packed into that DVD. I'm pretty darn happy with my purchase. Thanks Richard!

I am really crazy about the psychological subtleties he outlines for getting a spectator's name without them hardly realizing that you asked for it. Way cool! I know he went over these on the "Named" effect. But it was great hearing him expound on them in greater detail and conviction. Some guys may have cold feet when it comes to that, but Richard is right on. If you do it his way and "fear not", it will fly right past them, creating the coveted P.H. moment of astonishment at the last moments of the effect.

Overall, I am really going to love this effect. I'm dropping "Named" from my repertoire, and replacing it with "Identity" today.

And that's MY opinion.
Message: Posted by: davidpeters (Jun 25, 2009 10:04AM)
We have this in stock now! Get it from your favorite magic store world wide!
Message: Posted by: Simon Bakker (Jun 25, 2009 10:35AM)
BTW: I thought of the following regarding Identity:

When you write the person's name write it with a line under it.
You can openly draw the line on the card first(make sure there is a line on that place on the gimmick card, just to be sure) and maybe draw the first stripe of a letter of the name openly as well. Then proceed to write the rest with the card facing you as in the original handling. Then do the move and show the lines card.
It isn't necessary perse, but it can subtly reinforce that you actually drew the lines card on the spot.

About getting the name: When I'm performing and am about to do a card effect I always ask if there are people in the audience that play cards. Usually someone responds by pointing to a person and saying: Peter (or whoever) overthere plays a lot of cards!
With Identity, obviously you can use this in your advantage.

Simon
Message: Posted by: Review King (Jun 25, 2009 10:44AM)
Well, I perform Named and Mr. Stickman, so I'm looking forwad to seeing any improvement. Why?

Well, I've gotten dvd's that 99% of which held nothing of real interest. But, that one thing, a sleight, a move, a different handling, etc. improved the effect I was doing. When you do effects 100's, 1000's of times, you get looking for anything that may take it to another level.

Tommy Wonder never stopped tweaking his material. He was a perfectionist and wanted it to be perfect. Most likely, you can never reach that goal, but...it's wonderful trying.

The dvd's "The Richard Sanders Show" are no longer produced. So, allot of folks don't know about Named or Mr. Stickman. Identity looks like a full course on them.

I have friends that felt Named was a little too move intensive and passed on it. They missed out on a miracle because people freak when their name appears. Unless you have performed it for people you don't know, you can't imagine the impact it has.

So, I'll see if Identity has that special thing that makes me ad to Named.

If I don't, this still stands out for me because after 40 years, I still don't know very much and need all the help I can get:

Over 2 hours of no holds barred, DVD training:

* Identity Extended: The full monty, multi-phased effect.
* Identity Condensed: Short and sweet, go straight for the jugular!
* Identity Maxed Out: This is a take no prisoners, maxed out version of the effect. This will fry magicians!
* Plus: A special surprise addition, sleight of hand workshops, bonus moves, psychology, handlings tips and more.
Message: Posted by: Xcath1 (Jun 25, 2009 11:56AM)
I received it. For people whose first intro to Richard was XB they are getting an excellent practical multiphase card trick. Folks familar with the Sander Show DVDs(fantastic value DVDs but that is life and buisness) but feel the money is modest for any additional routining, tips, dose of Richard, etcwill be pleased(this is my situation). The only people likely to be disappointed are those that are familiar with Named/Stickman and are expecting revolutionary differences (which there are not) and still staying up at night trying to figure out if there is a different gimmick (there is not). I thought the quality and amount of material makes Identity a reasonable value but the worth of a one trick DVD that is essentially upgraded and combined older materal will always be a personal choice
Message: Posted by: judgehiker (Jun 25, 2009 03:47PM)
I have read every entry on these threads regarding Identity. The person who consistently makes the most sense and and shows good judgment is Christopher Kavanagh. I have never met Christopher but would like to some day.

BTW I have just received Identity. I didn't want to open it until I was brought up to date with everyone's comments. I am very much looking forward to learning the effect whatever I can learn from the Richard Sanders.
Message: Posted by: Darius666 (Jun 25, 2009 03:57PM)
[quote]
On 2009-06-25 03:02, Socalesq wrote:
(Also, not that I care about the delay in shipping, given the ordinariness of the gimmick, there's no reason there should have been a delay -- they're readily available at any decent magic shop.) Sorry, Richard, but I'm a bit bummed by this one.
[/quote]

Richard probably ordered his gimmicks directly from the USPCC, who are well know for being a pain in the arse to deal with. I think this is a valid excuse for the delay. It would have been cheaper for him to get directly from them and I doubt many shops would have stocked the quantity he needed. Maybe I'm wrong but I doubt it.

Darius
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Jun 25, 2009 03:58PM)
If you are the kind of guy who can receive a new trick in the mail, and hold back from tearing it open, you have my highest admiration!

We're not worthy! We're not worthy!
Message: Posted by: tdowell2007 (Jun 25, 2009 05:14PM)
Still nothing and now Murphys has it in stock.....*sigh* Figures.

Pre-order.....never again.
Message: Posted by: Charlie Justice (Jun 25, 2009 06:40PM)
I got this yesterday in the Orlando FLorida area.

I too own The RS Show DVD's and knew prior to my pre-order order that this would be an upgraded/extended/extreme version of NAMED just by watching the demo.

I watched it through once... but not closely with cards in hand...just a cursory view in the background while putting a puzzle together with my 3 boys.

I was frankly surprised that he didn't even mention NAMED. I was actually expecting this to be branded like his other 2 re-do/improved prducts. SLOWBURN becomes EXTREME BURN (including the old version for completeness). FIBER OPTICS becomes FIBER OPTICS EXTENDED (including the old version for completeness). I assumed that NAMED would become IDENTITY (including the NAMED version for completeness) would be a good marketing idea but I was wrong. Maybe I missed that he didn't even mention NAMED but it really doesn't matter.

None of that matters. I like NAMED and I really like IDENTITY. The variations are great and the detail of instructions are on par with the overall quality that Richard Sanders always delivers. It would've been a really nice touch to add 2 gaffs (red and blue) but even without the one included I would consider this a great value.

NAMED has always served me well and IDENTITY will simply takes its place in my sets. The longer version is what I realy liked and will pursue. Some really great displays in the Maxed out version. The entire DVD is very thorough, lots of details and bonus stuff to boot. I consider this a one of my great buys of the year.

BTW...I slipped in The RS Show #1 and re-watched NAMED this morning. Richard looks the same except for the same problem I've been experiencing. Lots of grays on top. I'm quite sure that IDENTITY, however, will never grow old.

Kudos and Congrats to Richard.

peace, charlie
Message: Posted by: Dan McLean (Jun 25, 2009 08:29PM)
"The good news is that you will still have them before any stores do... so you can brag to your friends, enemies and random strangers on the street :)"

Richard Sanders, 5/27/2009, written to those who pre-ordered.

I'm getting a little annoyed.
Message: Posted by: johndraws (Jun 25, 2009 10:22PM)
Got mine today!!! HAPPY!!!

[quote]
On 2009-06-25 21:29, Dan McLean wrote:
"The good news is that you will still have them before any stores do... so you can brag to your friends, enemies and random strangers on the street :)"

Richard Sanders, 5/27/2009, written to those who pre-ordered.

I'm getting a little annoyed.
[/quote]

I know...poor execution. I ordered mine on the 31st of May. Just got it today. Hope that helps give you an idea of when it might arrive.
Message: Posted by: andykean (Jun 26, 2009 02:10AM)
Still waiting here in New Zealand
I guess we are a long way away!!
Message: Posted by: Socalesq (Jun 26, 2009 02:29AM)
My main problem with Identity is the misleading demo. All of Mr. Sanders' prior advertising demos (Extreme Burn, Tagged, Ring on Shoelace) showed the effect in real time and without gaps. The Identity demo doesn't show the several portions of the routine that, in my mind, are somewhat unnatural and likely to tip off an astute spectator. That doesn't seem right to me.
Message: Posted by: Review King (Jun 26, 2009 07:50AM)
Maybe mine will be here today.

Anyone perform Named and have the Identity dvd that can comment? Anyone not know Named that has the Identity dvd to comment?
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Jun 26, 2009 09:24AM)
I have both effects...and I did.....:)
Message: Posted by: Review King (Jun 26, 2009 09:35AM)
Daff, you and Charlie Justice, Xcath1 and others have. did. Since I don't have Identity yet, I appreciated reading your posts.
Message: Posted by: Markymark (Jun 26, 2009 09:55AM)
I have both 'Named' and 'Identity'
In 'Named'the word 'Magic' is used but in 'Identity' Richard uses squiggly lines.
It feels like a rehash.
Message: Posted by: Review King (Jun 26, 2009 10:33AM)
I'm betting that those that don't know Named will love Identity. For those that have both, we'll have folks that like the new dvd and those that don't. Sounds like most things that are released these days. You can't please everyone. There are things I don't care for that folks rave about and vice-versa.
Message: Posted by: Calvin826 (Jun 26, 2009 10:44AM)
I have both as well, and I think both are great. Richard is a great magician, and so far, his products have yet to disappoint.
Message: Posted by: magicpatoche (Jun 26, 2009 07:22PM)
Still waiting for mine in Abu Dhabi. Interesting reading your posts guys.
Just kind of building it up even more. I feel blessed not to know Named right now :)
Message: Posted by: espresto (Jun 26, 2009 08:54PM)
Mine just arrived today. I am very, very pleased. A terrific effect with great detailed instructions.
Message: Posted by: Dan McLean (Jun 26, 2009 09:19PM)
I finally got a copy of this from MJM Magic. Just finished watching the Performance section.

I have little to add to what Charlie Justice has already written. As anyone who's seen Covert Coins knows, Charlie understands quality.

I will say that Identity to me is a lot more than Named with a fresh coat of paint as some seem to feel. Yes, the principle is the same. But for me that's where the resemblance ends.

I like Named. It's fast, cute and visual. Identity is not cute. It's downright bizarre. Those little marks hop scotch all over the deck (All hail Sankey), disappear, find the chosen card and then morph into the spectator's name. It's not a trick. It's an act.

This is yet another brilliant creation from Richard Sanders. Can't wait to test drive it.
Message: Posted by: mcvicarthetrickster (Jun 26, 2009 11:05PM)
Named was great but It was to short to carry the necessary item and ruin a card. Identity on the other hand is a fully thought out routine and a worker, I just started it in my restaurant last night and the reactions were awesome. Richard Sanders creates incredible material that a working magician can use.
Josh
Message: Posted by: PatrickGregoire (Jun 26, 2009 11:31PM)
You guys are comparing Named and Identity, and obviously Identity will win. The point is that you have to compare Named AND Mr. Stickman with Identity. Then it becomes obvious that there isn't much added at all.
Message: Posted by: nique (Jun 27, 2009 03:17AM)
My first impressions were that of confusion and wondering what the delay was with that "special" gaff; it really sounded like something that had to be specially custom made, and thus the delay.

Anyhow, as with material from Sanders, I guess it's all in the field testing. To be honest, I wasn't too impressed at first. But on second thoughts and playing with the routine I can imagine it can play quite strongly for a lay audience.
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Jun 27, 2009 10:21AM)
[quote]
On 2009-06-26 11:33, Christopher Kavanagh wrote:
I'm betting that those that don't know Named will love Identity. For those that have both, we'll have folks that like the new dvd and those that don't. Sounds like most things that are released these days. You can't please everyone. There are things I don't care for that folks rave about and vice-versa.
[/quote]

Chris, Man, you really it the nail on the head. That has needed to be said for a long time. That is the crux of the matter, that you simply can NOT please everyone.
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Jun 27, 2009 10:31AM)
[quote]
On 2009-06-27 04:17, nique wrote:
My first impressions were that of confusion and wondering what the delay was with that "special" gaff; it really sounded like something that had to be specially custom made, and thus the delay.

Anyhow, as with material from Sanders, I guess it's all in the field testing. To be honest, I wasn't too impressed at first. But on second thoughts and playing with the routine I can imagine it can play quite strongly for a lay audience.
[/quote]

I too am quite puzzled about that! It's a head scratcher for me. From what I had gathered, the gaff was something special, unique, impossible to find! Something that had to be specially manufactured. When I saw it, I thought! Oh my Lord! I could buy those by the gross from Hank Lee! Or I can make them up in a heartbeat myself as my card peeling technique is pretty darn good. In fact, I have made scads of them over the years. Takes me two minutes flat to whip one out. It is a puzzle to me why Richard had such a hard time obtaining something he could buy from any respectable magic shop. Just doesn't make sense. Something's fishy in Denmark.

But still the effect is killer, in my opinion, so overall I'm not disappointed, Just baffled.
Message: Posted by: Review King (Jun 27, 2009 10:41AM)
I've never met or talked to Richard and maybe out of line for suggesting this, but perhaps the so called 'gaffs" weren't available because Richard is actually an international spy stationed in Canada and was on assignment and couldn't break his cover to go to a shop and get them?

Doesn't it strike you odd that he seems a little too good with this magic stuff? That perhaps years of training with weapons might be responsible for these finger flinging skills?
Message: Posted by: Xcath1 (Jun 27, 2009 10:48AM)
It has been mentioned mutliple times that USPCC is not currently printing these. I am not much of a card splitter so if anyone truly knows a dealer that has decks of these in stock let me know. I believe everyone is out of them. R/B decks are readily available I presume because much stock was on the shelf.
Message: Posted by: Mediocre the Great (Jun 27, 2009 11:24AM)
I was hoping for some special wiz-bang-hyper-sneaky gaff as ground breaking as Wow! My hopes were somewhat raised when he was having so much trouble getting the gaffs, but deep down, I knew. I knew what the gaff was. And I was right.

I also knew the demo video was strategically edited. I hoped it wasn't true, but I knew deep down it was.. And I was right.

I also knew deep down that Richard Sanders believed in this routine. That it was practical and effective. Audience tested. And I was right.

On my first DVD viewing this week I was a bit overwhelmed. He goes into tremendous detail on every step. So many options. Last night I dug in a little deeper and started studying the “extended routine”. I’m going to plow through it and get it down. It will be well worth the work.

Beware if you are relatively new to card magic. There are quite a few moves in this routine. However, all the sleights are well known to an experienced card worker, and Richard goes into great detail on every sleight with special learning sessions. Often necessity is the mother of invention. Virtually every sleight I do well, I leaned specifically to accomplish a killer effect. Such as this one.

One of the beauties of Identity is it’s flexibility. It can be adapted to different audience situations, for longer or shorter routines. As advertised, it is very practical for strolling and easily resets. The super secret not so wiz-bang gaff is durable. It’s not going to wear out quickly. Simplicity at it’s best. (Penguin was giving them away free with every order a while back)

Best of all it Identity goes to the jugular when it comes to magic. The routine has many visual magical moments. Lots of audience participation, and It uses the most powerful magic word in the universe. The spectators name.

I recommend this highly. In my opinion the only thing that could make this better would be a super session or printed cheat sheet that outlines the sequence of moves. The highly detailed explanations are wonderful, but make it cumbersome to get the overall routine down. I appreciate the nuances and would not want Richard to leave them out . But I got them the first time, those details makes it cumbersome to learn… So I started making my own cheat sheet, summarizing the moves and phases.

And Chris, I do have it on good authority that Richard Sanders is from another planet... the planet "Fooolyou" This is good stuff.
Message: Posted by: jnork (Jun 27, 2009 04:35PM)
Hello All,

I got Identity on Monday. After viewing the demo video I was pretty sure what the gaff was ... but needed the routine (and THAT is what you are paying for). I was familiar with Mr. Stickman ... so that didn't surprise me either. This routine is FANTASTIC.

After many rehearsal sessions I put it into my restaurant act on Thursday and Friday. The reactions were INCREDIBLE. This DVD and routine is well worth the money and investment. I have had people swearing at me ... walking away from the table ... and having their mouths drop open ... AND ALL FOR GOOD REASONS.

Richard Sanders has done it again and if anyone is unhappy with the purchase ... just TRY it first and I think you'll be extremely happy!

Jason Christopher
Message: Posted by: John Carey (Jun 27, 2009 05:13PM)
I got my dvd today. At first I wasn't madly impressed because of the multiple wrist kills. But after storming the plot I found a sequence which eliminates them and gets the desired outcome. Bottom line, I am happy.

Best

John
Message: Posted by: Voldemort (Jun 27, 2009 08:35PM)
[quote]
On 2009-06-27 11:48, Xcath1 wrote:
It has been mentioned mutliple times that USPCC is not currently printing these. I am not much of a card splitter so if anyone truly knows a dealer that has decks of these in stock let me know. I believe everyone is out of them. R/B decks are readily available I presume because much stock was on the shelf.
[/quote]

You may want to try Ebay.

I still haven't gotten my copy of Identity yet. Starting to get Pee'd.


V.
Message: Posted by: zmakingmagic (Jun 27, 2009 09:53PM)
To those of you that already have Identity, what kind of permanent marker do you use for the effect? Is the standard Sharpie permanent marker dark and bold enough, or are there other markers out there that you have found to work better with Identity?
Message: Posted by: andykean (Jun 27, 2009 10:22PM)
Still waiting for my pre order (big SIGH!!)
Message: Posted by: Rpascual (Jun 27, 2009 10:51PM)
[quote]
On 2009-06-27 22:53, Htornado wrote:
To those of you that already have Identity, what kind of permanent marker do you use for the effect? Is the standard Sharpie permanent marker dark and bold enough, or are there other markers out there that you have found to work better with Identity?
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If I were you I would just get any old/extra indifferent card I have laying around and try a black marker that you like most.

The regular sharpie should be good but I prefer to use the Chisel tip.
Message: Posted by: Dan McLean (Jun 27, 2009 11:58PM)
[quote]
On 2009-06-27 22:53, Htornado wrote:
To those of you that already have Identity, what kind of permanent marker do you use for the effect? Is the standard Sharpie permanent marker dark and bold enough, or are there other markers out there that you have found to work better with Identity?
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Richard says he's using a "Sharpie style" pen. That fly by me the first time I watched the DVD. It's not a Sharpie. The pen is all black and creates a nice bold stroke. I made my gaff with a regular Sharpie. I don't like it. Time to go back to Office Depot.
The chisel style Sharpie should work fine, as mentioned, but the one's I've got are a bit fat.
Message: Posted by: zmakingmagic (Jun 28, 2009 12:32AM)
Thanks for the input guys
Message: Posted by: Dan McLean (Jun 28, 2009 12:59AM)
Richard, who must keep the same weird hours I do, just answered my query concerning the pen. That's decent customer service. He wrote that the pen is nothing special. Just a generic marker he bought from Staples in Canada.

I know it seems like a small point but I'm liking the regular Sharpie less and less for this. The lines are too thin. Might be hard to see in bad light which is my normal working environment. The problem with the chisel is that the pen itself is a bit akward.
Message: Posted by: PatrickGregoire (Jun 28, 2009 01:52AM)
He uses Marks-a-lot markers.
Message: Posted by: Socalesq (Jun 28, 2009 01:57AM)
Does no one care about the misleading video editing? I know It's not unusual in the magic advertising world, but it's certainly a disappointing change from Mr. Sanders' prior product advertising.
Message: Posted by: Xcath1 (Jun 28, 2009 06:31AM)
I care, but I have decided on its own merits that the DVD is of value. I would have felt more respected and bought the product without the misleading editing. To me, the most egregious edit was the card change shown repeatedly on the demo but never quite shown the same way on the DVD. I suspect this change can only be done effectively (if at all) with the maxed out version set up. I e-mailed Richard with these concerns, I thought in a polite way, and received no reply. I see from above posts that he gets his email and when I have emailed him in the past about replacement gimmicks etc. he has responded. I have to assume he feels the DVD speaks for itself and may not want to get into a quotable, defensive discussion about the nuances of preview videos and ad copy. Some "protective" editing is to be expected. On Tagged, the "clean up" move is not shown start to finish on the demo but we knew one had to be there and I am very happy with this effect. With Identity, the advertising focus (demo video and cover art) on a move that may not be practical together with delay in the gimmicks (which I truly believe was unintentional and out of Richard's hands) may have led some to believe they were getting something revolutionary instead of evolutionary. Sorry for the long rant, obviously I need more friends
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Jun 28, 2009 10:57AM)
Socalesq,

Briefly. I don't care a whit. I'm very happy with what I received and the demo editing is a distant memory now...Time to get on with life
Message: Posted by: PatrickGregoire (Jun 28, 2009 11:05AM)
I have absolutely no idea why some of you think there was misleading video editing... He does not have to show the entire thing from start to finish. Nothing in his demo video is absent from the dvd and yes, he does teach the impossible looking change, exactly as it is on the demo, on the dvd. I don't feel cheated at all by the demo video.
Message: Posted by: tdowell (Jun 28, 2009 02:12PM)
This effect is brilliant. Candidate for best of 2009. Way to go Richard.
Message: Posted by: Robert M (Jun 28, 2009 02:44PM)
The impossible looking "Twirl Change Variation" is taught in the "Extras" section of the DVD.

Robert
Message: Posted by: Review King (Jun 28, 2009 04:45PM)
Attention to some folks: before accusing someone like Richard of unscrupulous motives and practices, please do your research. If you were in a room with him, I don't think you'd take that accusatory tone. He deserves better on this forum.
Message: Posted by: jprace (Jun 28, 2009 04:54PM)
The only thing I thought was misleading is when he showed himself drawing the random marks.
Message: Posted by: PatrickGregoire (Jun 28, 2009 05:14PM)
I guess that's sort of misleading, but in all honesty you could technically do the same when performing. If anything, it's a nice subtlety to use and not so much a misleading demo gimmick.
Message: Posted by: Rpascual (Jun 28, 2009 05:44PM)
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On 2009-06-28 17:54, magicman4646 wrote:
The only thing I thought was misleading is when he showed himself drawing the random marks.
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I guess you could do that every performance but you would need a new gimmick.
Message: Posted by: PatrickGregoire (Jun 28, 2009 06:03PM)
You would need a new gimmick only after about every 5 performances. Really it's up to your own taste when you'd have to switch gimmicks. Assuming you're getting paid to use this, it really isn't that big a deal to switch out gimmicks after several performances and get a great subtlety out of it. It's not necessary at all though, since they are convinced you drew the lines anyways.
Message: Posted by: Xcath1 (Jun 28, 2009 08:52PM)
You mean add an extra mark after displaying the “random marks" as if completing the drawing. I like that very much, neat idea. I would hesitate to do it now with the gimmicks being in short supply but if I could buy them by the deck would add a little mark with each performance and replace as appearance dictated.
Message: Posted by: QuailCreek (Jun 28, 2009 10:54PM)
I guess I must live a very sheltered life. I just ordered mine today.
Message: Posted by: Rpascual (Jun 28, 2009 11:38PM)
Hey just a quick question. You only receive one gimmick per dvd?
Message: Posted by: Miraclemakers (Jun 28, 2009 11:55PM)
I've just seen the demo video on penguin magic,
http://www.penguinmagic.com/product.php?ID=1967
looks iteresting......
Message: Posted by: Socalesq (Jun 29, 2009 03:18AM)
Look, I'm not saying the effect is bad -- in fact, it's pretty good. I'm just saying that if it actually looked like it did on the video, it would've been a fantastic trick. And since Tagged and Interlaced and Extreme Burn all actually look like they did on his demo videos (and are all outstanding, by the way -- highly recommended), I was expecting pretty much the same thing here (especially given the delay in obtaining the gimmick). But, c'mon, there are three suspicious (to a reasonably astute observer) parts of the effect -- the handling of drawing the marks, the handling of the disappearance of the marks and the handling of the reappearance of the marks in the middle of the deck. Those are the exact three areas that were judiciously edited around in the video -- indeed, the drawing of the marks is downright misrepresented. I'd warrant a guess that if they hadn't been, there'd be fewer sales. So I understand why he did it -- but I'm kinda bummed that he went that route. Ian Blacklock's posts back in the earlier days were prescient despite the grief he took for them -- Ian, looks like you won't be eating your hat. And I'd certainly be willing to tell Mr. Sanders of my disappointment if we were in the same room -- after all, I've been putting his kids through school.
Message: Posted by: Michel Huot (Jun 29, 2009 05:08AM)
I just wanted to say something here.

I completely understand and respect people voicing their opinion about an effect.
I think it is healthy and a great way to stay informed.

However, when it comes to making factual statements about an effect, I would hope that this information has been researched and found to be absolutely true before publishing it for all to see.

Socalesq refers to the vanish of the marks and the pulling of the card from the middle as being "edited around" on the demo:
Socalesq, please be careful in making these kinds of claims.
Please re-watch the DVD as both of these techniques are taught on it.
In fact the vanish taught on the DVD is an incredible concept on it's own.

I find it so irritating to see false claims brought up on the Café threads and then left there for all to see.
Once it is posted, it becomes the truth in some people's eyes, even though it is an incorrect interpretation.

To everyone here on the Café, PLEASE do your research before you accuse someone of something and put it in writing. This is dangerous for all of us.

Thanks
Message: Posted by: evolve629 (Jun 29, 2009 08:15AM)
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On 2009-06-29 00:38, Rpascual wrote:
Hey just a quick question. You only receive one gimmick per dvd?
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According to Penguin Magic website, the Identity package includes "Gimmicked Bicycle card" - You are right, you get one.
Message: Posted by: bobbyk (Jun 29, 2009 08:38AM)
I saw the demo, ordered the effect and just like with the other effects I own by Mr Sanders...I was VERY PLEASED! I have performed this numerous times and the specs really like it. All the moves necessary to perform the effect, if you aren't already familiar with them, are well taught by Mr. Sanders.

Regarding the "gimmick".... it's easy to replace should you need to and the impromptu version is just as strong in my opinion....

I think it's a wonderful effect and my hat's off to R.S. once again.

Best,

Bk
Message: Posted by: MJ Marrs (Jun 29, 2009 05:21PM)
Just bought this at a local magic shop. I'm quite pleased with the purchase. Top notch teaching and very thorough.

I really didn't go into watching the demo (or into the store to purchase the DVD) thinking that a high-tech 22nd century digital card which actually morphs into a spectator's name and then is able to be given away as a souvenir was included as part of the package. I figured that somehow one must find out the spectator's name before the final revelation. It's a magic trick. I really don't think that anything was held back on the demo video or in the advertisement as far as what the spectator experiences.

I can't speak to the similarity of "Identity" to any other routines (e.g. Named, Stickman, etc.) because I don't own the Richard Sanders Show DVD and I've never seen the routines performed. Although, I've heard good things about those routines as well.

I feel this is a really strong routine and well worth the investment.

Respectfully,

MJ
Message: Posted by: PatrickGregoire (Jun 29, 2009 07:09PM)
Actually, you do know Named and Mr. Stickman because that's exactly what you get with Identity ;)
Message: Posted by: Socalesq (Jun 30, 2009 01:44AM)
Michael, before you accuse me of being factually incorrect or making false claims, I suggest you re-watch the demo and re-read my post. The vanish on the demo shows only the very last portion of the vanish, not the initial handling. The handling of moving the card to the middle of the deck, as I stated (not "pulling the card from the middle") is also avoided. And the marking of the card is simply not done anything like shown on the demo. If I was shooting the demo and wanted to get the most buyers, I'd probably want to avoid showing those three elements, too, since they're the weakest parts of the effect. But Sanders hasn't ever done that kind of creative editing before, so I was disappointed. Is it really okay to show on a demo only what the seller magician thinks is experienced by most spectators? If so, I could put out some wickedly confounding demo's. Anyway, I've said my piece, so I guess I'll stop posting on this subject.
Message: Posted by: Russell Davidson (Jun 30, 2009 02:30AM)
I haven't got Identity but I know Named & Stickman from the Richard Sanders show so I'll probably work it out. I see lots of you rambling on about the 'gimmick' you get with Identity. I wouldn't worry about replacements as a life time worth of replacements can be bought from any decent magic store for less than £5. As for the trick being misrepresented in the demo - I don't think this is the case. Most promo videos don't show everything & lets face it - most of the tricks we buy we unwrap & are disappointed when we find out the secret. It's not until you practice it & perform it you realise it's power. Richard's products I've seen all work in the real world but if you're having trouble then more practice is required, plain & simple.
Message: Posted by: Christopher Williams (Jun 30, 2009 06:40AM)
Socalesq, I believe what Richard has done, is show what the effect looks like to the spectator. That is how it should be done, if he didn't, Magicians would all get together, figure it out piece by piece and not have to purchase it.
Message: Posted by: Engali (Jun 30, 2009 10:04AM)
I have the Richard Sanders show DVD with Mr. Stickman. When this thread came out I knew within the first 2 pages what this would be. I didn't know Named, but I imagined the effect was done like Sankey's Graffiti or that effect with a business card and a deck of cards in Kurtz's Unexplainable Acts. Sounds like I was right. I knew what the gaff was soon after. And is that 'vanish' Andrus' Startling Color Change? Looks like it.

I didn't believe the hype. Glad I didn't. As many have said, that doesn't make this a bad effect--in fact I imagine it's very well constructed. It's just not nearly as revolutionary as it was made out to be--a.k.a. hype hurts product perception in the long run for short term gain. I think the real disappointment is knowing that this is something you could have fairly easily constructed on your own in terms of technical handling for the effect. IOW, simply knowing how the effect appears would lead a competent creator to re-create, almost to a T, the handling of this effect if they knew Mr. Stickman and Named/Graffiti/Kurt's effect.
Message: Posted by: spleck (Jun 30, 2009 11:40AM)
I pre-ordered the first day I received notice of this new effect. I'm a fan of his past effects and have never been let down. My first impress was a slight disappointment that the initial trailer video was a bit misleading about one aspect (which has been pointed out here, I won't point it out again), but no matter the dvd is great quality, covers multiple ways to perform, clever tips on how to make the most of key aspects of the performance and an overall stunning addition to my collection. I would still recommend this to anyone curious.
Message: Posted by: APC (Jun 30, 2009 12:11PM)
Just ordered this. Tried to hold out...but couldn't =) Already have worked out how I am going to use this and this it will be a great addition. Thanks everyone for you input, really helpful when deciding on whether or not to get this.

Adam
Message: Posted by: Voldemort (Jun 30, 2009 07:35PM)
Has everyone who pre-ordered from Richard gotten thier copy?

I only ask because I haven't yet and I was wondering if I'm in the minority.

Thanks

V.
Message: Posted by: Daston (Jun 30, 2009 08:00PM)
I really do think this has to be one of the greatest card effects of all time when done properly but I would love to know one thing. Richard has performed this effect hundreds maybe thousands of times.....I have to wonder if he has ever misspelled anyone's name and what would be a good recovery line to use if and when this ever happens? Today it seems even the most common of names are spelled differently by individuals. Anyone ever given thought to this yet?
Message: Posted by: Michael Dustman (Jun 30, 2009 09:15PM)
Couple things to point out or clear up with all the elephants in the room.

As far as the whole drawn-out saga about how hard it must have been for Richard to get the gaffs, and how easy everyone thinks it is so easy to get them, why don't you call your local magic shop and try it. If anyone has been paying attention to either the internet or the article in this month's MAGIC, the gaffs are not currently being produced and most stores can't get them anymore. I have about half a deck left from the last time I bought a box. I had one magic shop tell me last week that while he can't get me a deck of the gaffs, he could sell me a gaffed deck that had some in them.

There was also complaints about the fact that Richard didn't actually take the time to put the marks on them. So what? Are you too lazy to take the couple minutes to do that? In my case, it was actually better, because I traditionally carry a Purple Sharpie as a running gag to other bits I do, and a gaff that would have been marked up in black would have necessitated me carrying another marker.

The misleading demo.....whatever, I disagree and not going to waste time disussing that. Leave it to a lawyer to nitpick on that issue.

And as for this is just a rehash of Mr. Stickman and Named......So? I had the pleasure of being familiar with the Richard Sanders Show DVD set as some others have, albeit apparently few based on the many posts I see of people asking if you can get these anywhere or if Richard will reproduce them. The most I can say is, MAYBE, Richard could have mentioned that he had combined elements of them into one effect. But I don't think that was that big of a deal. Since the DVD set is hard to come by, for the majority of people buying Identity, this is all new to them. To me, that's just good business on Richard's part. Make something available that is no longer readily available. And my last question on this part...for everyone ****ing and moaning that this is just a rehash of two effects together...well, did anyone else here think to combine them into one routine yet? (Myself included based on previously viewing the Sanders Show) Nope??? Richard did it first? Once again....good business.

Now....for the actual effect.....I like it, think it is extremely powerful, and think the teaching is excellent. (Again....everything on the demo, is clearly taught on the DVD). As some know, I very rarely buy any new magic. For over 20 years of strolling and stand-up magic, I have an act that is well recevied and I have not felt the need to add much to the repertoire. The few times I do, I still do my old standards. I also (almost) never rush something into my act without hashing it out with plenty of practice. I am kind of ashamed to say I broke that rule here. I got this last week, worked hard on the marks vanishing and felt confident I had it down. I took the gaff with me to a 2 hour strolling party Saturday night and decided to pull it out and wing it. If I never do it again, the reactions from the few times I did it Saturday night would have been well worth the money spent. But I would be an idiot not to do it again. The reactions were too great.

As for the question about the fear of not knowing how to spell a name right, my advice would be to try and learn a couple of the names in the group. I wanted to do it on a Jenny the other night, but wasn't sure if it was Jenny, Jeni, etc. So I also knew Chuck was there.

I think once you get past all the petty concerns about the advertising, packaging, etc, and focus on the reactions you will get with the effect, that is all that should matter. The spectators reaction should always trump method.

Just my two cents....if it is even worth 2 cents.
Message: Posted by: PatrickGregoire (Jun 30, 2009 10:06PM)
There was never anything wrong with making this a rehash of two of his previous effects... The thing is that he should have mentioned it so that those who DO own his dvd set wouldn't have to waste their money to learn what they already knew, unless they wanted to learn the extra 0.01% of info on the Identity dvd that IS new.
Message: Posted by: gaffed (Jun 30, 2009 10:16PM)
[quote]
On 2009-06-30 20:35, Voldemort wrote:
Has everyone who pre-ordered from Richard gotten thier copy?

I only ask because I haven't yet and I was wondering if I'm in the minority.

Thanks

V.
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I also pre-ordered but as of yet have not received it. Not at all worried about it though. If I should not receive it within the next two weeks however I might possibly be a tad irked. Whatever, sh*t happens and it's not the end of the world and I don't feel that I must be the first kid on the block to have something.

~gaffed~ :)
Message: Posted by: Scott Fridinger (Jun 30, 2009 10:31PM)
Luckily I ordered 312 of the gimmick a few years ago.
Message: Posted by: Voldemort (Jun 30, 2009 10:35PM)
[quote]
On 2009-06-30 23:16, gaffed wrote:
[quote]
On 2009-06-30 20:35, Voldemort wrote:
Has everyone who pre-ordered from Richard gotten thier copy?

I only ask because I haven't yet and I was wondering if I'm in the minority.

Thanks

V.
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I also pre-ordered but as of yet have not received it. Not at all worried about it though. If I should not receive it within the next two weeks however I might possibly be a tad irked. Whatever, sh*t happens and it's not the end of the world and I don't feel that I must be the first kid on the block to have something.

~gaffed~ :)
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No.. Its not that at all.

I was just wondering as it has been a while since they were shipped and I knew a lot of people had received thier's. I thought that, If everyone seemed to have gotten thier's, I might contact Richard and make sure that my order went through OK. Sometimes things do get lost in the shuffle. Or in the mail.

But Thank You for the information. I'll just wait a while and see what happens.

V.
Message: Posted by: zifferinolpm (Jun 30, 2009 11:42PM)
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On 2009-06-28 17:54, magicman4646 wrote:
The only thing I thought was misleading is when he showed himself drawing the random marks.
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Well, In Richards defense, I haven't even got the DVD yet and I knew he didn't draw the random marks. Not misleading at all.
Message: Posted by: emyers99 (Jul 1, 2009 09:39AM)
I've purchased everything Richard has ever put out going all the way back to his Close Up Assassin Camirand Academy project, and he has yet to put out a dud. His teaching is second to none and his effects are always unique or different is some visual way. Identity is no exception. I've been performing Named for years and I think Identity adds some great visual touches. I performed it several times this past weekend and the effect literally gets screams from the spectators (as do many of Richard's recent offerings). That's enough to make this a worthwhile investment. In addition, the nice thing about Identity is that Richard gives you several different versions depending on your performing style and venue. For more formal shows, you get the extended versions. For walkaround, you get the condensed and impromptu versions. I use it is all my walk-around shows and I like it because it instantly resets.

The bottom line for me is that - as I've said many times before on the Café - Richard truly is at the very top of the list when it comes to amazing contributions to the magic community over the past decade. This is yet another example.

Eric
Message: Posted by: Review King (Jul 1, 2009 01:04PM)
I received mine on Monday and wanted to watch it and compare and do all the things we do when we get a dvd. I think Michael Dustman summed it up perfectly.

I do Named and Stickman and I feel Identity is worth many times the small asking price Richard put on it.

This is an incredible dvd that is loaded with material ( tips, sleights, ideas, routines ) and should be in the repertoire of any serious magician.

As gar as I'm concerned, it's another Sanders grand-slam effect!
Message: Posted by: Magicmaven (Jul 1, 2009 08:30PM)
I think people are disappointed with the simplicity of the gaff, but still, I think it is a very solid effect.

As for drawing the random lines:
You can start drawing "random" lines before you turn it out of view. You can draw two or three lines in the appropriate places (which will look random) before moving it out of view to complete it. I hope this is clear, I am not giving all the details because it may reveal part of the method.

Just an idea you can play with.

I think it is a very nice routine. A great final phase to any signed card effect.
Message: Posted by: PatrickGregoire (Jul 1, 2009 09:14PM)
Nobody is disappointed with the simplicity of the gaff. Nobody is disappointed with the quality of this effect period. People are disappointed that it's not really anything new.
Message: Posted by: Voldemort (Jul 1, 2009 09:27PM)
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On 2009-07-01 22:14, PatrickGregoire wrote:
People are disappointed that it's not really anything new.
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When was the last time you saw ANYTHING "new"?

Did any of the people who have Named and Stickman put the two effects together for themselves?

If they didn't, then it IS new to them.

Is Named the same effect as Identity? Is stickman? If the answer is no then I'd have to say that Identity IS a new effect. No different than any other creator putting old concepts together and forming a new effect. That's what happened here.

Some of the people who have Named and Stickman are just pee'd because they didn't think of this themselves. That's why Richard is who he is and does what he does.


V.
Message: Posted by: Michael Dustman (Jul 1, 2009 09:34PM)
Thanks Voldemort.....that was kind of the point I was trying to make in my long rambling post.
Message: Posted by: emyers99 (Jul 1, 2009 09:53PM)
Thanks Michael for not writing another long rambling post.
Message: Posted by: PatrickGregoire (Jul 1, 2009 10:06PM)
[quote]
On 2009-06-30 23:06, PatrickGregoire wrote:
There was never anything wrong with making this a rehash of two of his previous effects... The thing is that he should have mentioned it so that those who DO own his dvd set wouldn't have to waste their money to learn what they already knew, unless they wanted to learn the extra 0.01% of info on the Identity dvd that IS new.
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I never said there was anything wrong with putting the two effects together and selling them, as you can see I have already stated this. I personally am not peeved that I didn't think of combining these two effects together. I just don't think I should have had to pay $29.95 just to learn that pretty much everything he taught I already knew because I already learnt it from him in another project. Identity should have been targeted towards those who never learnt Mr. Stickman nor Named, and it should have been stated in the add that it is the two effects put together. Then, everyone would have known exactly what they were getting if they bought it. That's all I ever meant.

P.S.: The biggest addition is the Maxed out version, and I personally don't think it's worth it since you get the exact same effect, which is already 100% impossible, without everything involved with the Maxed out version. All you need to know is the regular Identity and the impromptu version.

Bottom line, I think Identity is a great effect, but that he should have stated that it was two previous effects routined together.

EDIT: By the way, you know that's not what I meant by "new". I meant that it is a routine containing two effects that already exist. It's all the same handling. He hasn't changed anything except maybe a teenie, tiny bit to make the two effects work together without disturbing each other.
Message: Posted by: Voldemort (Jul 2, 2009 12:03AM)
Putting two (Or more) existing effects together and then selling them as a different effect happens everyday without mentioning what was done. Before you read the credits anyway.

If you like Identity, And you didn't think of putting the two effects together yourself. I don't see why you are upset that you paid 30 bucks to learn it.

After all, You wouldn't be doing this effect that you said you like without Richard selling it. Would you?

I'm sorry if I sound rude. I don't mean to really. And I'm not trying to start a fight. Just trying to understand what Richard is suppose to have done wrong here.

And BTW, What was Richard suppose to have done to prevent those who had Stickman or Named from buying this? Put it in the ad copy? "Hey if you know these two effects already, You may not want to get Identity". Have you EVER heard of ANYONE doing something like that?


V.
Message: Posted by: Steve Brooks (Jul 2, 2009 12:57AM)
Okay folks, for what It is worth I've posted my two cents worth - Enjoy. :bwink:
[url=http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=319687&forum=68]Identity DVD by Richard Sanders[/url]
Message: Posted by: Simon Bakker (Jul 2, 2009 05:14AM)
[quote]
On 2009-07-02 01:03, Voldemort wrote:
Putting two (Or more) existing effects together and then selling them as a different effect happens everyday without mentioning what was done. Before you read the credits anyway.

If you like Identity, And you didn't think of putting the two effects together yourself. I don't see why you are upset that you paid 30 bucks to learn it.

After all, You wouldn't be doing this effect that you said you like without Richard selling it. Would you?

I'm sorry if I sound rude. I don't mean to really. And I'm not trying to start a fight. Just trying to understand what Richard is suppose to have done wrong here.

And BTW, What was Richard suppose to have done to prevent those who had Stickman or Named from buying this? Put it in the ad copy? "Hey if you know these two effects already, You may not want to get Identity". Have you EVER heard of ANYONE doing something like that?


V.
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Well, I just purchased Bro Gilbert's Deep 3 based on the extremly fair demo. He very clearly explains what it is and what it is not. Probably the fairest demo I've seen. To my great joy, he mocked the mysterious, ultracool, mtv-like demo's that seem to be the standard for a cardtrick these days.

I think this (the bro gilbert demo)should be the standard for demo's. Obviously, some demo's need to be edited a bit to prevent every magician from figuring out the method on the spot. Sadly, a lot of people misuse that argument to produce totally misleading demo's.
Please note that I'm not talking about the demo for Identity. Everything Richard shows in the demo, is explained. But I must say eventhough I was familair with named and mr. Stickman that I got a certain impression from the demo that wasn't entirly correct. When Richard said on this thread that Identity was indeed based on Named, but that it is nothing like it, that impression grew stronger. I personally disagree with that.

Having said that, I will also say (as I said before) that I like Identity, simply because it is a great effect. I came up with a handling that suits me better. It eliminates some of the moves and a wristkill. It does require you to know (and write)the name in advance. To me this can make the handling cleaner and stronger. You do lose the spontanity and impromptu nature of the original Identity.
Anyone who feels (or doesn't) feel the same way?

regards
Simon
Message: Posted by: Review King (Jul 2, 2009 05:56AM)
I combined Mr. Stickman and Named quite awhile back. I think many of us do that to effects we like. ACR with Card to Wallet, etc.

When a friend shared with me that it a combo of those two effects and what the gaff was, I wasn't sure if there was going to eb soemthing on the dvd for me. There was and quite a bit of it.

So, why do I still think Identity is a winner for me? It's all the little things Richard did with this dvd. The subtleties and mini sleights workshops for one. The revolve change instead of the Houdini ( Erdnase ) color change for me, along with the 'nearly' Impromptu version, was worth the price.
Message: Posted by: Xcath1 (Jul 2, 2009 06:05AM)
I bought it, I like, I have no problems with it. With that out of the way, I have to agree with Simon Bakker. The demo for Deep - 3 was almost stangely honest. It was like a refreshing slap in the face. Of course Bros. is selling a product that you would otherwise have to try and construct yourself not just a routine, but still. Don't think we will see too many adverts like that but I was impressed.
Message: Posted by: JTW (Jul 2, 2009 11:21AM)
I just got this in the mail.

I apologize if some of what I say here has been said before I do not have the time to read 11 pages of posts.

First a little background. I'm a fairly advanced card worker I'm also a full time professional magician.

Here is the good stuff
I think the effect is very well thought out. It isn't difficult and I can see how this would play really well for a lay audience.

The gimmick (should you need to replace) is one that you should be able to get fairly easily. [edit] apparently it isn't that easy...maybe a whole new market will open up selling these...Mr. Sanders are you listening?

The Bad- He goes into mind-numbing detail. I understand making something clear but he tends to repeat himself stumbling at times over what I can only assume are meant to be clever asides. The explanations could have been greatly condensed no need to go over something three times. Show me and if I need to see it again I can simply skip back to the beginning of the sleight and go over it again.

The effect is good- the teaching leaves a lot to be desired...going to great length describing something does not mean you have done a particularly good job teaching it. Brevity is the key to good communication.
Message: Posted by: PatrickGregoire (Jul 2, 2009 12:55PM)
Voldemort, if it happens all the time, that doesn't change my opinion that they should mention that it's a routined package and nothing more.

I'm not so much upset as I am disappointed that I didn't learn anything more than "Here, put these two effects together."

You're right, I wouldn't be performing Identity if it wasn't for Richard's release of it. And I'm fine with that. Doesn't change how I feel about the situation though.

I didn't take any of it as rude, and I hope I never came off as rude either.

I've said it a couple times; he should have mentioned in the add that it was Mr. Stickman and Named routined together. He doesn't have to go as far as to say that if you don't want it, don't buy it. That's obvious and goes without saying for anything you buy.

Have I ever seen anyone do something like that ever? Actually, I was doing that exact thing about 5 minutes ago with someone who wants to purchase an effect of mine. I think it's the right thing to do. I never want to be responsible for an unhappy purchase if it doesn't fit them.

Richard never did anything wrong and he didn't HAVE to do anything more. He simply, in my opinion, SHOULD HAVE let us know that it was a routine with Mr. Stickman and Named.
Message: Posted by: Voldemort (Jul 2, 2009 07:00PM)
PatrickGregoire,

I understand and respect what you are saying and how you feel.

I don't own Stickman or Named. So I can't really say how I'd feel about it if I already had those effects.

But I see where you are coming from.

V.
Message: Posted by: Richard Sanders (Jul 2, 2009 07:00PM)
Hi Guys,

Thank you ALL for all your comments and suggestions.
As a growing business my goal is to continuously evolve over time.
I will do my best to implement all of your ideas into future Sanders FX releases.
So again, thank you all, your voices are definitely heard :)

Given all the different topics being discussed on the thread, PLEASE DON"T LOSE SIGHT of the fact that IDENTITY IS ONE SOLID WORKHORSE OF A ROUTINE.
Anyway you slice it, the effect of Identity is devastating...and the method given to obtain this effect is rock solid and totally workable.

As many of you know by my track record as a creator, I am very strict when it comes to quality control. I have turned down far more projects than I care to mention because, in my mind they were just not strong enough and/or deceptive enough to introduce to the market.

Have fun with Identity and remember to sit back and enjoy the sweet sound of jaws hitting the floor ;)

Thank you for your time and thank you for your support for Identity.

Cheers,

Richard Sanders
Message: Posted by: Dan McLean (Jul 2, 2009 08:18PM)
Anyone who has performed Identity before Richard Sanders dropped it in your lap, please raise your hands?
Message: Posted by: gaffed (Jul 3, 2009 12:15PM)
[quote]
On 2009-07-02 21:18, Dan McLean wrote:
Anyone who has performed Identity before Richard Sanders dropped it in your lap, please raise your hands?
[/quote]

:lol: Well now, that kind of sums it up now doesn't it and well stated! Still waiting for mine and I can no longer remember when I ordered it. Oh well, in due time.

~gaffed~
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Jul 3, 2009 04:18PM)
[quote]
On 2009-07-02 20:00, Richard Sanders wrote:
Hi Guys,

Thank you ALL for all your comments and suggestions.
As a growing business my goal is to continuously evolve over time.
I will do my best to implement all of your ideas into future Sanders FX releases.
So again, thank you all, your voices are definitely heard :)

Given all the different topics being discussed on the thread, PLEASE DON"T LOSE SIGHT of the fact that IDENTITY IS ONE SOLID WORKHORSE OF A ROUTINE.
Anyway you slice it, the effect of Identity is devastating...and the method given to obtain this effect is rock solid and totally workable.

As many of you know by my track record as a creator, I am very strict when it comes to quality control. I have turned down far more projects than I care to mention because, in my mind they were just not strong enough and/or deceptive enough to introduce to the market.

Have fun with Identity and remember to sit back and enjoy the sweet sound of jaws hitting the floor ;)

Thank you for your time and thank you for your support for Identity.

Cheers,

Richard Sanders
[/quote]
About time someone made sense on this thread....;)
Message: Posted by: Simon Bakker (Jul 4, 2009 05:03AM)
[quote]
On 2009-07-02 21:18, Dan McLean wrote:
Anyone who has performed Identity before Richard Sanders dropped it in your lap, please raise your hands?
[/quote]

Mmmm, I think that actually a lot of people were performing a version of Identity since the Richard Sanders Show and since Richard taught a slightly different version in his lecture. I fell in love with the concept since then. There maybe some difference in handling but the basic effect stays the same. Just as there are a lot of versions of the Ambitious card, but the basic effect stays the same. If you're referring to the exact technical handling, then you're probably right. But in my opinion the slight alterations in handling don't make it an entirly different effect.

[quote]
On 2009-07-03 17:18, daffydoug wrote:

About time someone made sense on this thread....;)
[/quote]

Well, you've probably meant it tong in cheek, but I actually find that this thread makes a lot of sense. I, as I wrote earlier, find identity a good effect, but was a little disappointed because I own the Richard Sanders show. There wasn't a lot new for me.

I find it very insightful to read all the arguments, why people do like Identity and why people think it a bit dissapointing. Just because I don't agree with people doesn't mean to me that they don't make sense.
I hope this thead continues so I can learn more about people's experiences with Identity.

Regards
Simon
Message: Posted by: Voldemort (Jul 4, 2009 05:37AM)
Can we just get over this please and talk about the effect?

If you feel ripped ask for your money back. Fairly simple. A lot of good it will do to keep harping on about it here without doing something about it. But I suspect that some aren't happy without a little conflict in thier lives.

"The ad is misleading", "Same effect" Blah, Blah. What are you going to do? Sue him. Hopeing to harm his reputation? Whats the goal?

If your that angry, take it up with Richard personaly. Have any of you even bothered to e-mail him?

V.
Message: Posted by: Simon Bakker (Jul 4, 2009 07:31AM)
[quote]
On 2009-07-04 06:37, Voldemort wrote:
Can we just get over this please and talk about the effect?

If you feel ripped ask for your money back. Fairly simple. A lot of good it will do to keep harping on about it here without doing something about it. But I suspect that some aren't happy without a little conflict in thier lives.

V.
[/quote]

I suspect that some aren't to happy when their views aren't shared by others.
I think that people who don't own Identity can make a better informed descision before purchasing it, if they read this thread first. Threads like these helped me a lot in the past.
But you're probably right that enough is said now, I just didn't like your tone. I'm in no way angry or feel ripped.

Then about the effect; I actually shared a sublety a few post back, curious what others think of it. Also I was wondering what you would do if you knew the name in advance and had the oppurtunity to write it in advance? I think this can make the handling somewhat cleaner, but it loses the spontaneous aspects of the original handling, any thoughts?

Simon
Message: Posted by: PatrickGregoire (Jul 4, 2009 11:28AM)
We ARE talking about the effect.:P

We're discussing why we are disappointed or not disappointed with our purchase. We're discussing how we feel about the demo video. These are all important points to discuss. They are COMPLETELY relevant with Identity. Just like Simon Bakker, I am not angry nor do I feel ripped off by my purchase. This is where you should have taken what we were discussing lately a little bit more seriously. We've explained how we feel about Identity.

Explaining that you may be disappointed with Identity if you already know Mr. Stickman and Named, since Identity is just those two effects put together, is VERY important to know. You may see it as complaining and harping but it's important information to get across in case someone doesn't want to buy what this really is.
Message: Posted by: JTW (Jul 4, 2009 11:55AM)
Voldemort,
The ultimate goal is EXACTLY what happened. Mr. Sanders posted to this thread thanking people for voicing their opinions positive AND negative. It makes him better AND its happening in real time.

He doesn't have to wait until he releases something new and no one buys it to try and figure out what he did wrong. The consumer has a voice now that is louder than ever before in history.

Jason
Message: Posted by: Gilgamesh_The_Librarian (Jul 4, 2009 12:16PM)
Voldemort by name Voldemort by nature :)
Message: Posted by: Voldemort (Jul 4, 2009 03:56PM)
[quote]
On 2009-07-04 12:28, PatrickGregoire wrote:
We ARE talking about the effect.:P

We're discussing why we are disappointed or not disappointed with our purchase. We're discussing how we feel about the demo video.
[/quote]

No, Sorry. :)

You are talking about two other effects, Named and Stickman. And the three (Not sure but I think that makes you a minority) of you who actually have a problem, Didn't answer my question. What are you going to do about it? Keep crying like little kids on a forum? Sue? What?

Discussing how you feel about your purchase is one thing, But trying to defame someones character by calling them a cheat and a liar is quite another. I'd like to see what any of you would say to Richards face.


[quote]
On 2009-07-04 08:31, Simon Bakker wrote:

I suspect that some aren't to happy when their views aren't shared by others.

Simon
[/quote]

Yep. That's pretty plain now isn't it.


[quote]
On 2009-07-04 12:55, JTW wrote:
Voldemort,
The ultimate goal is EXACTLY what happened. Mr. Sanders posted to this thread thanking people for voicing their opinions positive AND negative. It makes him better AND its happening in real time.

He doesn't have to wait until he releases something new and no one buys it to try and figure out what he did wrong. The consumer has a voice now that is louder than ever before in history.

Jason
[/quote]

Yes he did post to this thread. But I don't remember him apologizing to anyone or admitting that he "DID WRONG". I don't even remember him saying anything about the whole Stickman, Named, Misleading demo malarkey. In fact it sounds to me like hes standing up for his effect. No?


[quote]
On 2009-07-04 13:16, Gilgamesh_The_Librarian wrote:
Voldemort by name Voldemort by nature :)
[/quote]

Lots of room to talk there.

V.
Message: Posted by: Simon Bakker (Jul 4, 2009 04:21PM)
[quote]
On 2009-07-04 16:56, Voldemort wrote:
[quote]
Discussing how you feel about your purchase is one thing, But trying to defame someones character by calling them a cheat and a liar is quite another. I'd like to see what any of you would say to Richards face.

It didn't want to waste anymore energy on this, but since you are accusing me of calling Richard Sanders, who I respect deeply, a cheat and a liar I guess I have to.

WTF are you talking about!? Please read my posts before you say this incorrect nonsense. NEVER have I said anything like this! And neither have the other gentleman. Everyone just gave their opinion and their valid arguments (negative or or positive)! You are the one who dismisses arguments ase nonsense, just because they aren't the view of the majority.
Message: Posted by: Nico Zottos (Jul 4, 2009 04:42PM)
OH MY GOD EVERYONE CHILL OUT. Who cares anymore? Everyone has expressed their opinions and that's that. This is what happens on numerous threads here on the Café and they end up getting deleted. Its extremely annoying and unfortunate that three or four people have to clutter up threads with arguments instead of discussing it through email or private message. There have been some ideas and other contributions on this thread beside your arguing so please for the sake of all of us, do this some other time and some other place.

Nico
Message: Posted by: Michael Dustman (Jul 4, 2009 05:18PM)
HEY...............HEY................HEY..................YO...............

Did you all hear that this is a great effect? Did you all hear that those who have been using it have gotten great reactions with it? Isn't that what we look for in a routine? Isn't that all that matters?

Sorry for screaming.....just wanted to be heard above the fervor!

Loving Identity.
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Jul 4, 2009 07:33PM)
[quote]
On 2009-07-04 06:03, Simon Bakker wrote:
[quote]
On 2009-07-02 21:18, Dan McLean wrote:
Anyone who has performed Identity before Richard Sanders dropped it in your lap, please raise your hands?
[/quote]

Mmmm, I think that actually a lot of people were performing a version of Identity since the Richard Sanders Show and since Richard taught a slightly different version in his lecture. I fell in love with the concept since then. There maybe some difference in handling but the basic effect stays the same. Just as there are a lot of versions of the Ambitious card, but the basic effect stays the same. If you're referring to the exact technical handling, then you're probably right. But in my opinion the slight alterations in handling don't make it an entirly different effect.

[quote]
On 2009-07-03 17:18, daffydoug wrote:

About time someone made sense on this thread....;)
[/quote]

Well, you've probably meant it tong in cheek, but I actually find that this thread makes a lot of sense. I, as I wrote earlier, find identity a good effect, but was a little disappointed because I own the Richard Sanders show. There wasn't a lot new for me.

I find it very insightful to read all the arguments, why people do like Identity and why people think it a bit dissapointing. Just because I don't agree with people doesn't mean to me that they don't make sense.
I hope this thead continues so I can learn more about people's experiences with Identity.

Regards
Simon
[/quote]

You were absolutely correct. I was indeed speaking tongue in cheek. :)
Message: Posted by: gaffed (Jul 4, 2009 10:20PM)
Christ Almighty, give it a freaking break already!
I didn't even get mine yet but some of this is really getting sickening! We're talking about a lousy $27.00 here and not $100.00 for heavens sake aside from the fact that Rich has a good track record and now some of you seem to be pounding him into the ground. Get a freaking life, stop splitting hairs and get over it already. :cry: :cry: :cry:

~gaffed~ :rolleyes:
Message: Posted by: Voldemort (Jul 4, 2009 10:31PM)
[quote]
On 2009-07-04 17:21, Simon Bakker wrote:
[quote]
On 2009-07-04 16:56, Voldemort wrote:
[quote]
Discussing how you feel about your purchase is one thing, But trying to defame someones character by calling them a cheat and a liar is quite another. I'd like to see what any of you would say to Richards face.

It didn't want to waste anymore energy on this, but since you are accusing me of calling Richard Sanders, who I respect deeply, a cheat and a liar I guess I have to.

WTF are you talking about!? Please read my posts before you say this incorrect nonsense. NEVER have I said anything like this! And neither have the other gentleman. Everyone just gave their opinion and their valid arguments (negative or or positive)! You are the one who dismisses arguments ase nonsense, just because they aren't the view of the majority.
[/quote]


Sorry Simon,

I was just quoting that one line of yours. I didn't mean for it to seem like I was saying this about you.

That being said, Yes in fact, That is what the other "Gentlemen" are saying. I suggest that YOU go back and read some of the previous posts made.

Dismissing arguments? On the contrary sir, I don't believe that I would be posting about the reprehensible nature of these comments if I were "dismissing" them. But yes, Nonsense describes it best I think.

V.
Message: Posted by: johndraws (Jul 5, 2009 01:10AM)
I loved Identity. I still love identity. I had never heard of any of the other effects mentioned. Identity actually reminds me of a few Jay Sankey routines. Regardless...Richard has taught a great effect that slams. I have been practicing this and performing this all week. It is awesome. I am not disappointed in the price I paid. I have already clearly outlined what I was disappointed with. Nothing to do with the product. However, the dvd was very lengthy...and the extended version was too much for my taste. I loved the simplicity of the condensed version.

I do have a question. I am going to go back and watch it. I may have over looked it at first. I do not remember seeing the part where Richard teaches the move where he waves over the lines and makes them "disappear". I am not talking about the basic Erd. I am talking about the wave over move he does in the trailer.
Message: Posted by: Xcath1 (Jul 5, 2009 07:16AM)
That move is there as an alternative change I believe at the end of the condensed version, it is a nice change. I have had a problem with my DVD, it sometimes skips over some of the "Chapters" it does not do it all the time which is how I figured it out. Are you watching on a computer? If so, check what chapter you are on when watching the condensed version and then make sure it plays the next chapter. I missed some of the alternative changes presented after the maxed out version becuase my computer skipped over them.
Message: Posted by: Michael Dustman (Jul 5, 2009 10:14AM)
[quote]
On 2009-07-05 02:10, johndraws wrote:
I loved Identity. I still love identity. I had never heard of any of the other effects mentioned. Identity actually reminds me of a few Jay Sankey routines. Regardless...Richard has taught a great effect that slams. I have been practicing this and performing this all week. It is awesome. I am not disappointed in the price I paid. I have already clearly outlined what I was disappointed with. Nothing to do with the product. However, the dvd was very lengthy...and the extended version was too much for my taste. I loved the simplicity of the condensed version.

I do have a question. I am going to go back and watch it. I may have over looked it at first. I do not remember seeing the part where Richard teaches the move where he waves over the lines and makes them "disappear". I am not talking about the basic Erd. I am talking about the wave over move he does in the trailer.
[/quote]

Not sure why but if you search for it by Chapters, it stops and goes back to the menu. However, if you select Play All from the Main Menu and then fast forward, Richard teaches the Color Change move at exactly 42 minutes into the DVD.

Hope this Helps
Message: Posted by: MikeOB (Jul 5, 2009 10:34AM)
Thanks Xcath1 and Michael,

I was looking for this change as well. It is a very nice change and is the one I wanted to do when I bought Identity. I am having a lot of fun with this effect. It is becoming one of my favorites. Great Job Richard! I am currently working on the condensed and impromptou versions.

Mike
Message: Posted by: mrmagik68 (Jul 5, 2009 01:26PM)
I just got this in the mail a few days ago and yesterday I spent quite a bit of time on it. This is great IMO!! I can't wait to do this for lay people. I love the fact that Richard teaches so many different handlings and applications. I particularly like the condensed version for performance without a table.

Even the "impromptu" version is great. The DVD is well done and the instructions are taught very clearly. Judging from the The Richard Sanders Show DVDs and Identity, I don't really care for his comedic lines but there was one line in the Identity DVD that had me in stitches and I must include in my presentation, "Black magic... ...marker", LMAO!!!

This is surely going to be one of my favorite signed card effects for lay people. Thank you Richard for making this effect available to the fraternity! Off to practice I go!

Roberto
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jul 5, 2009 03:39PM)
Name: Identity by Richard Sanders
Routine with DVD instructions includes gaff
Arena: Close up, strolling

Identity by Richard Sanders is a card routine where lines are drawn on to the back of a card and a picture is drawn on the front of another card by the spectator. The magician magically makes the lines change position on the card spelling out the name of the spectator who the magician has not previously met and the name is on the spectators card. While other similar routines have come out over the years Identity is flows well as a routine, there are four different versions taught, and technically isn’t difficult to perform. The fact that you leave the card with the spectator is always an extra plus. The gaff card is a common one so should yours become dirty or need replacement it should be no issue to get hold of a new gaff and set it up. The routine would likely be of interest to anyone doing strolling or table magic.

The DVD instructions are very good, Richard is one of the more thorough people out there and he makes sure to cover every aspect from the technical to the psychology of the presentation. He uses a very good camera and while mostly stationary Richard sets the camera up with the best angle for the shot and he uses good lighting and a surface that the card appears well on. I’ve always been impressed with Richard Sanders DVDs and he proves that you can produce something yourself without a crew and still make a quality product. There is plenty of added value to the DVD and I can’t think of anything that needed to be addressed that was not on the DVD.

Is this the best presentation for this theme? Well, I made some changes I think improve it a bit but that is just my opinion but this is a piece of magic people will use, the visual is nice and surprising to the spectator as is your producing their name without them having met you. There is one thing that bothers me, and Richard needs to work on this, he is a card flicker. You know, those irritating people, usually teens, at the magic club who constantly riffle the back of the deck and when they pull out a card they have to flick it? It is a bad habit to get into, Richard does it, and I want to warn anyone watching this DVD to avoid doing the same. There is nothing good that comes from being a card flicker. Congrats to Richard the card flicker on this project, it is a good routine and a very well made DVD.
Message: Posted by: mrmagik68 (Jul 5, 2009 06:47PM)
That's funny, I didn't notice any excessive flicking on Richard's behalf. This is a great routine that packs a good commercial punch, in my opinion. The effect certainly does open itself to a slew of different presentational ideas. In just the one day I spent with it I made a few changes myself to fit my style. I would whole heartedly recommend this effect. Way to go Richard!

Roberto
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jul 5, 2009 07:57PM)
Are you kidding? He flicks the freakin' card every time he touches it! Clearly you are another card flicking addict....get help!

One thing I changed that I suggest is w...no....I can't post it here, PM me if you want to know and have the DVD.
Message: Posted by: johndraws (Jul 5, 2009 10:28PM)
Thank you guys. I will go back and watch it here in a minute and look for it. Thanks again, I appreciate the feedback.
Message: Posted by: gaffed (Jul 5, 2009 10:43PM)
I've not seen the video yet as I've not yet received it (some snafu in shipping) and I whole heatedly agree with those magicians who are undoubtedly very adept with cards and "finger flicking" and showing off to lay people. Although I admire their ability and am envious of it and was never all that good with cards, especially now with my arthritis, I find it a fault to do so.

I'd much rather see a magician perform a card trick without any flourishes while talking and handling the cards. When I see such a thing I simply think; "Ok, this guy is going to pull off [i]anything[/i] and I'll never catch it....he is just [i]too[/i] good with cards!" To me that is a total turn off and leaves me cold. I think its better to convey that you (the magician) is to simply handle the cards as anyone would but yet.....perform a miracle. I'm not at all sure if I'm conveying my thoughts on this correctly but this is just my honest and simple humble opinion. As said, I [i]greatly[/i] admire those magicians who can handle cards with such unseemly dexterity but I think it best to keep it confined to the trick at hand and [i]never[/i] convey it to the audience. JMHO Then again, that is a whole other subject and not one to be discussed here.

~gaffed~ ;)
Message: Posted by: bobbyk (Jul 6, 2009 02:12PM)
[quote]
On 2009-07-02 12:21, JTW wrote:


The Bad- He goes into mind-numbing detail. I understand making something clear but he tends to repeat himself stumbling at times over what I can only assume are meant to be clever asides. The explanations could have been greatly condensed no need to go over something three times.' Show me and if I need to see it again I can simply skip back to the beginning of the sleight and go over it again.'

I must agree with the above. I wish Richard would have added a highly edited teaching version of the effect...so one wouldn't feel the need to hit the FF button to "get on with it".... Just show me the move then on to the next point....I would think it would be easy enough to add something like that. It would have been nice having gone over the complete DVD to be able to go directly to a shorter "teach-in" just showing the bare bones routine. Just my opinion....

Best,
bk
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jul 6, 2009 04:56PM)
Bobby is a stud! I would love that all DVDs come with a simple and quick explanation along with a PDF with the outline just to back reference.
Message: Posted by: johndraws (Jul 7, 2009 02:11AM)
[quote]
On 2009-07-05 11:14, Michael Dustman wrote:
[quote]
On 2009-07-05 02:10, johndraws wrote:
I loved Identity. I still love identity. I had never heard of any of the other effects mentioned. Identity actually reminds me of a few Jay Sankey routines. Regardless...Richard has taught a great effect that slams. I have been practicing this and performing this all week. It is awesome. I am not disappointed in the price I paid. I have already clearly outlined what I was disappointed with. Nothing to do with the product. However, the dvd was very lengthy...and the extended version was too much for my taste. I loved the simplicity of the condensed version.

I do have a question. I am going to go back and watch it. I may have over looked it at first. I do not remember seeing the part where Richard teaches the move where he waves over the lines and makes them "disappear". I am not talking about the basic Erd. I am talking about the wave over move he does in the trailer.
[/quote]

Not sure why but if you search for it by Chapters, it stops and goes back to the menu. However, if you select Play All from the Main Menu and then fast forward, Richard teaches the Color Change move at exactly 42 minutes into the DVD.

Hope this Helps
[/quote]

Found it yesterday. Thanks. This did help me find it right away. Not sure why fast forwarding through the chapters skipped it...but it did. I simply fast farwarded it to the time you suggested and there she blows.....I have been practicing this non stop. I look like a retard.
Message: Posted by: magicpatoche (Jul 8, 2009 01:58PM)
Just got mine today and I am really pleased. It is true, the explanations are lengthy but at least there's a bit for everyone. We don't have all the same level here. For some, none of the moves are new, for some, it's all like a first kiss!
The alternate change in the condensed version is of pure beauty IMO.
A nice twist to the Erdnase change that I usually do.
I am yet to perform to a real audience but I am sure it will get a great response.
Money well spent I think.

Thank you Richard!!!

For those who have the DVD, what is you favorite version? I personally prefer the condensed version. Closer to my style, quick magic, straight to the point. A killer!!
Message: Posted by: MJ Marrs (Jul 8, 2009 04:08PM)
Got the chance to perform this recently. This effect rocks!

Funny thing, with one of the performances I had a guy named Stephen, but I didn't know if the name was spelled "Steven" or "Stephen," so I used MAGIC as the word to be morphed. Not as strong as one's name, but it still got a strong reaction; I wrote "Happy Birthday Stephen" on the face of the card afterwards.

As a side note: I'm probably the only magician who didn't have "Tagged." I remedied that situation yesterday. Sanders really has a knack for great magic!
Message: Posted by: davidpaul$ (Jul 8, 2009 11:04PM)
[quote]
On 2009-07-08 17:08, MJ Marrs wrote:
Got the chance to perform this recently. This effect rocks!

Funny thing, with one of the performances I had a guy named Stephen, but I didn't know if the name was spelled "Steven" or "Stephen," so I used MAGIC as the word to be morphed. Not as strong as one's name, but it still got a strong reaction; I wrote "Happy Birthday Stephen" on the face of the card afterwards.

As a side note: I'm probably the only magician who didn't have "Tagged." I remedied that situation yesterday. Sanders really has a knack for great magic!
[/quote]

How about STEVE ?
Message: Posted by: MJ Marrs (Jul 8, 2009 11:56PM)
[quote]
On 2009-07-09 00:04, davidpaul$ wrote:
[quote]
On 2009-07-08 17:08, MJ Marrs wrote:
Got the chance to perform this recently. This effect rocks!

Funny thing, with one of the performances I had a guy named Stephen, but I didn't know if the name was spelled "Steven" or "Stephen," so I used MAGIC as the word to be morphed. Not as strong as one's name, but it still got a strong reaction; I wrote "Happy Birthday Stephen" on the face of the card afterwards.

As a side note: I'm probably the only magician who didn't have "Tagged." I remedied that situation yesterday. Sanders really has a knack for great magic!
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How about STEVE ?
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I thought about that, but decided to play it safe. Anyways, I figure it's nice to have a backup plan in today's shrinking world where one is likely to encounter names from all over the globe. Sure, I can magically make names appear; I just can't spell them... LOL

This reminds me of Copperfield's funny quip when he stumbled a bit walking down the stage stairs at one of his live shows: "Sure, I can make the Statue of Liberty disappear; I just can't walk down a flight of stairs!"

I'm having a blast with Identity and Tagged. Now I've got to see what all the buzz about "Interlace" is about.
Message: Posted by: JTW (Jul 9, 2009 07:09AM)
[quote]
On 2009-07-04 16:56, Voldemort wrote:

[quote]
On 2009-07-04 12:55, JTW wrote:
Voldemort,
The ultimate goal is EXACTLY what happened. Mr. Sanders posted to this thread thanking people for voicing their opinions positive AND negative. It makes him better AND its happening in real time.

He doesn't have to wait until he releases something new and no one buys it to try and figure out what he did wrong. The consumer has a voice now that is louder than ever before in history.

Jason
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Yes he did post to this thread. But I don't remember him apologizing to anyone or admitting that he "DID WRONG". I don't even remember him saying anything about the whole Stickman, Named, Misleading demo malarkey. In fact it sounds to me like hes standing up for his effect. No?

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Voldemort,
I meant the second half of my above post as a hypothetical since it was discussing something he would release in the future. I thought you would understand that. IF I wasn't happy with what I bought I would return it (or sell it in the secondary market) IF it isn't what is advertised. I would also let the creator know and other people know. I have done this before.

If you already have the techniques by the SAME creator from two other purchases Wouldn't you be upset that he charged you $30 for the same thing you already own? He could have offered a shorter/ less expensive version of the effect for people who own the previous releases that are interested in learning a new routine. I would be willing to go out on a limb and say that Identity is certainly worth $10-$15 dollars. Then again I'm a fairly advanced card worker and I learned nothing new by way of technique. I think this type of routine is better suited as a download video or a PDF. Actually it would be best in a set of notes possibly with Stickman and Named to give you the full progression. Now that would be worth $30!

I'm sure this thread has taught Richard something valuable. I hope you learned something too Voldemort. I know I did.
Message: Posted by: Joshua Barrett (Jul 9, 2009 07:58AM)
I was not impressed with this especially for the cost. nothing out of this world. very over handled I think. some times it seems like 1 hard move is replaced with several easier to excute moves nowadays.
Message: Posted by: Voldemort (Jul 9, 2009 08:01AM)
[quote]
On 2009-07-09 08:09, JTW wrote:
[quote]
On 2009-07-04 16:56, Voldemort wrote:

[quote]
On 2009-07-04 12:55, JTW wrote:
Voldemort,
The ultimate goal is EXACTLY what happened. Mr. Sanders posted to this thread thanking people for voicing their opinions positive AND negative. It makes him better AND its happening in real time.

He doesn't have to wait until he releases something new and no one buys it to try and figure out what he did wrong. The consumer has a voice now that is louder than ever before in history.

Jason
[/quote]

Yes he did post to this thread. But I don't remember him apologizing to anyone or admitting that he "DID WRONG". I don't even remember him saying anything about the whole Stickman, Named, Misleading demo malarkey. In fact it sounds to me like hes standing up for his effect. No?

[/quote]

Voldemort,
I meant the second half of my above post as a hypothetical since it was discussing something he would release in the future. I thought you would understand that. IF I wasn't happy with what I bought I would return it (or sell it in the secondary market) IF it isn't what is advertised. I would also let the creator know and other people know. I have done this before.

If you already have the techniques by the SAME creator from two other purchases Wouldn't you be upset that he charged you $30 for the same thing you already own? He could have offered a shorter/ less expensive version of the effect for people who own the previous releases that are interested in learning a new routine. I would be willing to go out on a limb and say that Identity is certainly worth $10-$15 dollars. Then again I'm a fairly advanced card worker and I learned nothing new by way of technique. I think this type of routine is better suited as a download video or a PDF. Actually it would be best in a set of notes possibly with Stickman and Named to give you the full progression. Now that would be worth $30!

I'm sure this thread has taught Richard something valuable. I hope you learned something too Voldemort. I know I did.
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Do yourself a favor man and drop it. This has been discussed extensively and most of those posts removed. Its a dead subject.

I'm sure Richard did learn something. So did I. What I learned is that the little green monster grabs some people a little more tightly than others.

I'm sure Richard learned that 99% of the people who got Identity are completely happy with it.

As for the 1%... Well you can't please all of the people all of the time. Can you.


V.
Message: Posted by: JTW (Jul 9, 2009 08:27AM)
Sorry Voldemort? Drop what? You brought me back into this by choosing to focus on my post. I think you should grow up a little, I mean that in the nicest way.

The discussion is over when people are done discussing it, not when YOU deem appropriate. Stop coming back to this thread if you're done discussing it.

And no you can't please all the people all the time.
Message: Posted by: Review King (Jul 9, 2009 09:10AM)
Consumers decide everything. I'm quite sure Identity is a retail success. As you can tell from Richard's classy post, he's very interested in and appreciates feedback as he is in this for the long haul.

I watched Identity, from beginning to end, again last night. Even though I perform Named, I'm still getting great value out of the new release. Maybe someone that has the Sanders dvd set doesn't feel that way. It's their money and they get to decide what value means to them.

I think the mini card workshops were worth the price alone. Perhaps an advanced card handler wouldn't feel that way. Considering that 'most' new releases are bought by newbies, hobbyists and "technique challenged" folks like me, Identity will appeal to a great many folks.

No matter how you feel, perform this effect for real folks that you don't know ( doesn't have to be a paid show ) and they will gasp.

If you don't have Identity and have been on the fence waiting for the one "golden" review that sways you, forget it and just get the dvd and learn it. You will have one of the most powerful card effects ever created.

The incongruous lines morphing into their actual name is a killer effect. It's so magical, they can't explain it with sleight of hand, or fast hands, or trick cards. They get the card and walk away with a souvenir and memory that will last them forever.
Message: Posted by: Joshua Barrett (Jul 9, 2009 09:40AM)
Most powerful card effects ever is a bit strong. any instant change of a 2 sided object can and will be explained, especially when it follows so much "handeling". just my opinion, but most powerful ever is pretty strong words with the hundreds of thousands of card tricks in existance. in any case richard is still the man =)
Message: Posted by: Review King (Jul 9, 2009 10:36AM)
[quote]
On 2009-07-09 10:40, Joshua Barrett wrote:
Most powerful card effects ever is a bit strong. any instant change of a 2 sided object can and will be explained, especially when it follows so much "handling". just my opinion, but most powerful ever is pretty strong words with the hundreds of thousands of card tricks in existence. in any case Richard is still the man =)
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I said " You will have one of the most powerful card effects ever created ". I didn't say it was the most powerful. It might be for someone, but it would be debatable to say any one effect is THE most powerful.

Any instant change of a 2 sided object can and will be explained? You have performed this and had someone explain how you did it?

What card effect do you perform that gets stronger reactions than Identity gets?
I'd say any of the classics can, in the right hands, get incredible reactions, because they are so hard hitting.

But Identity, in my experience, has them rubbing the their name on he card over and over in disbelief. And we know from our own experience the power of our names. Anyone that has ever been out in public and has their name called out knows the feeling. A chemical reaction happens and changes how you feel.

I don't do the twirl change. I place the card face up in their hand and have them sandwich the card between their palms and shake it ( like making a martini ) and make the change that way. For me, I've found that to be stronger. Not sure why that is. Maybe because the card doesn't come back in contact with the deck, or maybe because it's now magic in their hands. Maybe a combination of reasons. Try it and see what you think.
Message: Posted by: Joshua Barrett (Jul 9, 2009 10:54AM)
Varations of unshuffled, justin millers x marks the spot, various items with tameriz mem deck, and a bunch other I don't have time to mention. frankly I think the ortiz trick where the name on the card jumps is a bit better (for me). I don't tend to use cards as a "big" closing effect execpt for those mentioned.

"Any instant change of a 2 sided object can and will be explained? You have performed this and had someone explain how you did it?"

No, but I tend to assume its possiable for a spec to have a logical thinking mind. Basiclly I perfer to assume such, instead of the "they will never notice/figure it out" approch.

anyway, that's just me. I'm strangely picky when it comes to card magic, As I have my own theorys about magic not shared my everyone.

I think advoiding the twirl changes is a very good idea. yours sounds like a much better method
Message: Posted by: Review King (Jul 9, 2009 11:10AM)
Joshua, I'm just chatting away and not picking on you. I think you know that. You're very smart and it's great to have this type of dialog as if we were in a real Café. Thanks for that.

Anything is explainable by anyone. And if that's the basis for picking the effects, than anything with a full gaffed deck like Justin Millers x marks the spot would be one of the worst choices to perform because any "logical thinking mind" might think so and would want to see the deck, which they can't.

Does that happen? No ( I love X Marks The Spot ). For the overwhelming majority of human beings, people like to be entertained and they like to think that amazing things are possible. They tend to not over process how something happened. Doesn't mean thought shouldn't go into picking effects. You can pick effects that you believe a logical mind couldn't or is least likely to discern the method. But...you'll also miss out on some amazing effects because of the worry "they'll figure it out".

mem deck work is hard hitting..but.... any logical mind can explain anything done with a mem deck. How? The cards are marked, you had the deck stacked and on and on.

You can't get away from the one person that you may come across that needs to explain things. Play to the smartest person in the room if that's the goal, but if they want to, they will offer any explanation that makes them feel good.

I think Chris Kenner's favorite magician, Cris Angel, summed it up best:

"For those who believe, no explanation is necessary. For those who do not believe, no explanation is possible."

He's so smart!

:rotf:
Message: Posted by: Joshua Barrett (Jul 9, 2009 11:19AM)
That is true. It really comes down to the luxury of being able to buy someone else's work. This is definately a real option for performers (meaning it don't fall into the 99% crap that is put out ) everyone who looks at this trick or any other trick of quality is going to see it from a different persective, seeing different flaws/strengths. This is in fact what I like about the Café, not all strengths of a trick matter to me, the same with a lot of weakness people bring up. we are all jaded magicians anyway in one sense or another. I think the only real qualified person to write a book on magic theroy is a laymen, doubt it will ever happen. =D
Message: Posted by: magicpatoche (Jul 9, 2009 12:21PM)
I like the sandwich idea Chris. Less visual but very powerful nevertheless!!


Before I work on a new routine that isn't mine, I always ask my brother, mum or someone very close to watch a demo or the actual dvd's performance to see how they experience it. I find that sometimes I worry too much of how lay people might see a routine. Our knowledge can be our worst enemy. But when I see an effect like Identity and I think "wow", I know that's a winner.
Message: Posted by: Joshua Barrett (Jul 9, 2009 12:35PM)
What Id like to see is a 3 or 4 part change where the name is slowly formed. pipe dreams I suppose, aside from going overly mechanical.
Message: Posted by: davidpaul$ (Jul 9, 2009 10:02PM)
[quote]
On 2009-07-09 12:10, Christopher Kavanagh wrote:


I think Chris Kenner's favorite magician, Cris Angel, summed it up best:

"For those who believe, no explanation is necessary. For those who do not believe, no explanation is possible."

He's so smart!

:rotf:
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I think Saint Thomas Aquinas came up with that quote. circa 1225-1274
Chris Angel isn't that smart.
Message: Posted by: hanosek (Jul 10, 2009 12:32PM)
I'm with Joshua and JTW on this one...
Message: Posted by: Review King (Jul 10, 2009 01:07PM)
[quote]
On 2009-07-09 13:21, magicpatoche wrote:

I like the sandwich idea Chris. Less visual but very powerful nevertheless!!

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Thanks. It does lose that great visual. But, I'm finding that having them shake the card between their palms has added something special to it.

I first shake the card and say "look, you can see the marks moving. Let's try this".
And then I place it face up ( since they see their drawing on the face, they have zero suspicions ) in their hand.

When they turn it over and see their name, I act VERY surprised. I say "Oh my GOD, does that spell what I think it does" sort of lines.

PLEASE, if you got Identity, perform it, because I think you will love the reactions.
Message: Posted by: Voldemort (Jul 10, 2009 01:50PM)
[quote]
On 2009-07-09 09:27, JTW wrote:


And no you can't please all the people all the time.
[/quote]

Obviously.

I'm sorry. I didn't realize that you were not through rambling about a subject that seems to have run its course.

By all means, Continue.

If you don't wish me to respond to the fluff that you seem to feel the need to get off your chest, Please refrain from directing your posts toward me.


V.
Message: Posted by: kenodad (Jul 10, 2009 02:11PM)
Chris,
I really like your idea. Good thinking.

For what it is worth, I really like Identity. Yes, it is a bit long-winded in explanation, but in order to appeal to a large group of magicians, he has to do some instruction (or reference where to learn some sleights). I think it is worth it. It is a great idea with a simple plot: random marks morph into a spectators name (either visually or, as Chris suggests, non-visually--in the spectators mind in that case). I favor the condensed version; stick with one effect (avoid the marks "jumping").

I guess I don't agree with Joshua's assessment that spectators will figure out a double sided event has happened. They may think that, but when you hand them the card, where will they go mentally? Rewind through the mechanics, moves and gaff? That is a lot of advanced thinking for a laymen. Many will want to look at the deck (let them after a palm); when they have done that, they should be flabergasted. I have not done the effect yet, but I have done magic enough to guess that this will be well received if performed correctly. I am working on some handling/patter modifications before presentation. I appreciate everyone's input.
John
Message: Posted by: PatrickGregoire (Jul 10, 2009 02:52PM)
My favourite Colour change is "In Lieu of Vernon's Push Through the Fist Flourish" A.K.A. the Twirl Change. From all the times that I've executed the change, nobody's ever figured it out. It is SUCH a VISUAL change.

Seeing how people are actually paying attention to Chris' alternate handling at the end, I'd like to repost what I posted on page 7. I haven't tried it out yet, but I'm CERTAIN that it would get the same impact as the original change, but it's way easier, uses psychology instead of sleight of hand and the card never has to go back to the deck, as with Chris' method. It can also happen at eye level without having to stick your arm out in an awkward position like with Identity's handling. You do have to own True Astonishments though. Here was my post:

[quote]
On 2009-06-23 18:00, PatrickGregoire wrote:

Any owners of True Astonishments think of applying the last change of Backlash 2 to Identity, instead of the Shake Change? Because of the routine, they see the marks travel from card to care and then land on their card. They will surely be CONVINCED that if there is anything on their card, it's the marks. So you just take their card and do the Backlash 2 change instead of the Shake Change. It cuts down on the moves at the end and you can immediately hand out the card after the change. Instantly reset as with the Shake Change. Keeping the powerful psychology behind the change in mind, it would be just as visual as the Shake Change.
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Message: Posted by: PatrickGregoire (Jul 10, 2009 03:51PM)
The condensed version HAS the marks jumping kenodad. Ironically, you want Named. Named is just the marks changing into their name. The condensed version is the random marks vanish and appear on their card and then the marks change into their name.
Message: Posted by: kenodad (Jul 10, 2009 04:07PM)
I admit I have not read through all 12 pages of the postings here. I was referring to the middle part of Sanders' longer routine, where the marks jump to other cards. I think that is a bit much. I do like the vanish of the marks and reappearance in the middle of the deck to find the card. I guess the morph is sort of a kicker, but would be the most remembered part. I just discovered that Named is on Sanders' DVD. Pathetically, I have it, but haven't looked at it in forever. If it is the same effect, I will be irritated, but if Identity offers some improvement, I will be happy with my current purchase.
Message: Posted by: Review King (Jul 10, 2009 04:58PM)
Much of magic is a bit like riffing jazz tunes. You can do longer or shorter routines based on time constraints, performing situations, performing style, etc.

Identity is no different. The payoff is the marks morphing into their name. Anything you want to do or not do before that is up to you.
Message: Posted by: judgehiker (Jul 10, 2009 11:30PM)
After reading Chris's idea of placing the card in the palm sandwich and shaking it, I tried it in my own hand. Laying the card face up I simply picked it up and did a single card shake (no twirl). The spectator sees only the moving marks and when it stops is looking at their single card with their name on it and it is handed directly to them. This eliminates the need for a KM move, replacement of card with a DL and doing the twirl. Any comments?
Message: Posted by: Review King (Jul 11, 2009 08:35AM)
We're all going to come up with our own touches and variations. Folks wills till have to get Identity to see and learn all the nuances and versions of Richard's effect.
Message: Posted by: leosx1 (Jul 11, 2009 02:36PM)
Hello to all of you dear magic lovers and friends the Café is such a great place to be !

I have been performing close up magic since childhood for friends at partys etc. and being in my late 40tys now I continue to be amazed to see such great effects as Identity coming up.

Here is what I have found to be a nice imho addition to start the effect which eliminates the need for me to know the name or as a matter of fact any word the spectator might think of which will later on appear on his selected card.

I have the spectator think of any word meaningful to him, hand him over a small
writing pad of which pages can be torn off and which is gaffed by the means of
the wonderful "Universal Impression, by robert smith". The spectator writes his "word" on the pad tears off the page which I never have to touch, hands me back the pad, while closing up the pad in a completely natural way I get his "word" and continue from there with the effect.

Even performing Universal Impression bye itself gets such strong reactions, combining this with Identity has worked really well for me, maybe you will like it as well.
Message: Posted by: MikeOB (Jul 11, 2009 06:40PM)
Hey Leo,

That is a great idea, I just got Universal Impression and Identity for Fathers day. You can really expand on that idea using Universal Impression. Not only words but relatives names,etc.

thanks,

Mike
Message: Posted by: leosx1 (Jul 12, 2009 12:51PM)
Hey Mike

My pleasure, thanks for your comment, I am glad you like it, seems like quiet a bit of magic getting these two loveley presents together for fathers day...lol

Take care

leosx1 (Martin)
Message: Posted by: magicpatoche (Jul 12, 2009 03:45PM)
Oh well thanks for the tip Mike. Just put my order through for one Universal Impression. Trust that it will add a bit of variety to Identity.
I know all my friends names for example ;)

And Chris, I just had a go at changing the card in my friend's name, he swore at me! It is as powerful if done properly!

Good night

P
Message: Posted by: Illucifer (Jul 12, 2009 11:41PM)
This trick seems to have its roots in an older, much better, and more streamlined trick by David Harkey. It's called "Simply Divine!" and can be found in his tome "Simply Harkey". I highly recommend looking up this effect. It's a visual stunner with an engaging plot.
Message: Posted by: poesjenel (Jul 15, 2009 01:04PM)
Ordered 5 days ago and still waiting for delivery but meanwhile I am very surprised that so many people are selling again. Why would that be?
Message: Posted by: M Sini (Jul 15, 2009 01:13PM)
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On 2009-07-15 14:04, poesjenel wrote:
Ordered 5 days ago and still waiting for delivery but meanwhile I am very surprised that so many people are selling again. Why would that be?
[/quote]

Happens all the time. People get excited over something new; get it; realize it's not for them; then sell it.

It's not unique to Identity. It happens to all the latest and greatest.
Message: Posted by: magicnorm (Jul 15, 2009 08:14PM)
The reason people are selling it after recieving it is that what looks like easy magic on the demo ends up being a little more difficult that anticipated. I knew from watching the demo that there would be work involved to get this trick down, but you know what? Most tricks worthwile take some work. The work put into this effect more than paysoff for the end result. My review is it is every bit as awesome as the demo video. Another winner for Richard
Message: Posted by: Review King (Jul 15, 2009 09:24PM)
[quote]
On 2009-07-15 14:04, poesjenel wrote:
Ordered 5 days ago and still waiting for delivery but meanwhile I am very surprised that so many people are selling again. Why would that be?
[/quote]

Because...the 'gimmick' doesn't do all the work. Magi want 'self working" and there is no such thing. THANK HEAVENS!

Doc Eason wanted folks to by his videos and...never do the magic. He was right. The fewer folks doing killer material, the better. That's why I LOVE "IT" effects. It takes work and most won't put in the effort. Same with Identity.
Message: Posted by: poesjenel (Jul 18, 2009 12:28PM)
I received Identity yesterday and this is awesome. Although some people find the explanations very long I particularly like that kind of explanation with all the possible details and alternatives. Its indeed not really easy but not to difficult either. You have to keep your head with it especially not to flash anything. The only thing I'm not 100% shure of is the Erdnase change. When I do it 5 times there is always one time that I take two cards with the palm which of course brings the wrong card to the top. I only practised the condensed version so far and at the end my thumb and finger on the short ends instead of the corners. You don't get the position change like that, I think it is better. Very happy with this purchase! Good luck to all.
Message: Posted by: PatrickGregoire (Jul 18, 2009 06:09PM)
There is not a single layman soul on this earth that will notice the position change after a Twirl Change.

For the Erdnase, if you slide DOWN and back with your palm, you shouldn't get more than one coming out.
Message: Posted by: Michael Dustman (Jul 19, 2009 09:03PM)
You know that sound....when 18 people at once collectively gasp then scream in amazement....so much so that everyone else inside the house came out to see what the fuss was about.....that was Identity. You know that clip in the Richard's preview where the girl who signed the card just sat there with her jaw open......such a great moment, and duplicated tonight. At a private party tonight. I love this effect.

I have already posted how great this routine is....but I just wanted to say it again.
Message: Posted by: magicnorm (Jul 20, 2009 05:33PM)
I had the same problem at first with the Erdnase change and I hope this makes sense. I found that by lifting the heel of my right hand just a bit at the time of sliding the card forward and applying a downward pressure on the sliding card ( kind of like the action in a onehanded top palm.) it make in incredible difference on getting one card with the heal and a much smoother action in sliding it out and back on top. I became a huge fan of the change from that point on, and the people I have performed for, judging by their reactions, tell me that it is well worth doing.
Message: Posted by: Richard Sanders (Jul 21, 2009 10:55AM)
Hi Guys,

Thanks for all your support here on the Café :)

There seems to be a little confusion regarding the vanish shown on the demo and where to find it on the DVD.
I just re-checked the DVD and it seems that there was a small, technical hiccup on the menu.

If you viewed the explanation for the CONDENSED VERSION from the "Explanations Menu" then you will have missed 2 BONUS CHAPTERS following the explanation of this segment....one of which is the vanish used on the demo...and the 2nd one, which is how to set up for an Erdn*** vanish during the CONDENSED VERSION.

Good news is that there is a simple workaround, which follows:

From the opening screen on the DVD, click "Explanations":
On the Explanations Menu, click "Identity Condensed"
Once the section starts, click the "advance chapter button" on your remote control and you will arrive at the first "HIDDEN" section, called "Identity Condensed Alternate Vanish" (this is the vanish shown on the demo).
The chapter that directly follows this is the 2nd "HIDDEN" section, which explains how to set up for an Erdn*** vanish during the Condensed version of the effect.
From there, the DVD continues along normally.

By the way, if you navigated the DVD using the Play All Button then you didn't miss a thing, as everything plays as it should with this method.

It seems that this technical hiccup only occurs when you view it from the Explanation Menu.

I hope this clears things up for anyone that had problems finding this and I do apologize for this inconvenience.

Thank you again,

Richard Sanders
Message: Posted by: Rpascual (Jul 24, 2009 09:37AM)
Thank you Richard for that I would have never noticed.

I received this dvd yesterday morning. I also own the richard sanders show dvd's, I don't understand why so many people were saying that it was not worth it because it is a take on a old effect. I've performed named countless of times and in my opinion this dvd is golden. This has so many hints and tips and different ways of doing it that I didn't think was possible.

If after thirteen pages you are still not convinced of buying it... your weird!
Message: Posted by: Vraagaard (Jul 29, 2009 07:51AM)
It's a killer, that's for sure. I own the Sanders show DVD's and to begin with was a tad dissapointed with Identity, because I didn't find new stuff here really - so I can follow the discussion above. But just thinking about it for a while made me realise the potential of this effect. I'm sure it will stay in my close up set for a long long time - and that makes it worth every penny. Been performing it 5 times now, with really great reactions - even my wife freaked and that means "beyond amazing" - she's seen it all.

I perform The Condensed Version, I do a bottom steal, to do the color change. I do the twirl shake, nobody sees the dump of the gimmick to the deck, (like you can see in the demo video), everybody is focused on what they just witnessed - and the card with their name on it.

I'll try Christopher's version soon. everything that can happen in their hands make it stronger. Thanks for the tip Christopher. I think I will go for the twirl change to get the visual stunner for everyone when performing for at large table/group, and the in the hand change when performing for 2-4 people where everybody is close to the spectators hands.

Love Identity, Love Extreme burn, Love Stickman 4, Love Sanders "Rising" effect with 3 cards rising and a silk involved = Simply admire the creativity of Mr. Richard Sanders.

BTW another mark of high quality is when my mother freak out, this means that the effect will "kill" lay people around 50 - 70 years of age. When I performs Sander's "Rising" for my mother she goes qoute: "that's the best card trick I ever seen". Funny, cause I don't see it entirely as a card trick. Just shows, that this is also a killer effect from Richard Sanders.

May your audiences be gobsmacked

Jan
Message: Posted by: Chad Long (Jul 30, 2009 04:51AM)
Hey Gang,

I've been doing the condensed version of Identity for about 3 weeks now. It's one of those routines that makes you feel like a real magician, and I'm getting great reactions. Like many of you, I also have the Richard Sanders Show DVDs, but still feel I've received GREAT value for my money. When someone spends a couple hours teaching me all the subtleties, tips, and handlings of a single trick, it doesn't feel like a DVD, but more like a personal workshop. That's real value.

I'd like to repost something I wrote about Identity a while ago, and I still feel strongly about it...



* Posted: May 11, 2009 9:15pm

I have to admit that when Richard releases a new routine, I get all tingly inside. I'm talking "14-year-old-schoolgirl-seeing-Zac-Efron-walk-through-the-food-court-at-her-local-mall" tingly. In other words, I'm one of his biggest fans!

Everything he markets, and I own most of it, is so well thought out, so audience tested, and so practical, I'd feel comfortable buying it without ever seeing a review, let alone a trailer. I know it's going to be a worker and I know it's going to be strong. He's earned that trust from me over the years.

That being said, when I watch a trailer of one of his effects, or any effect I'm thinking of trying out, I want to see the REMEMBERED EFFECT. That is, the effect the spectator sees and remembers, or at least the effect they THINK they see and remember. That's really the only thing that matters. I want to see their REACTION, more than the EXACT procedure used to get there.

I definitely want to see the bare bones of the routine, to get a feel for its timing and flow, but to see everything that takes place, especially in the trailer, is only going to make you watch it like a magician. It makes you biased, and robs you of the routine's real potential.

Obviously, a card is selected. Obviously, the card is signed. Obviously, it's replaced in the deck. Obviously, "something" is secretly done. However, the spectators don't remember ANY of this. All they remember is that the marks vanish, reappear on their signed card, and then change into their name! They could care less about the "technical journey". But we all know that, don't we?

One last, very important thing to remember- when you buy a Richard Sanders routine, you're not just "buying a trick". You are buying a pretty nice chunk of his life, too. You're buying the countless hours of trial and error, and the hundreds of performances for living and breathing human beings. You're buying the first 50 times he performed it where it "just didn't feel right". You're buying the second 50 times when he thought it was "almost there". Finally, you're buying all the performances after that, where the spectators go running and screaming.

All I have to do is learn his tried-and-true routine, add my own touches and personality to it, and I'm ready to go. He's done all the hard work for me and I appreciate that...

Best,

Chad
Message: Posted by: J.Robert (Jul 30, 2009 09:13AM)
I'm having a lot of fun with this. If you don't have Universal Impression and want to use a secret word instead of a name (I don't think the name thing is as strong if you already know the person), you can use a business card and an acidus peek (I think that's what it's called). I've also been switching back and forth between having the change happen in their hand or with the twirl. Not sure which I like better.
Message: Posted by: Vraagaard (Jul 31, 2009 02:43AM)
The NAME premise is very strong. Even with friends I know, meaning everybody knowsa that I know their name up front. Even they are deeply astonished when the lines changes into their name.

It is of course a bit more astonishing when you "didn't" know their name up front. But I don't think that the lay audience in that split second when the magic happens think "and he didn't even know my name". No they are simply reacting to lines shifting into something else, and everybody can relate to and recognise a name. They are simply amazed by the change. Later on they might be thinking, hmmmm and he didn't even know my name. Later on...

But let us hear more concerning your experiments with Universal Impression and words instead of Names.

Jan
Message: Posted by: jnork (Aug 1, 2009 08:06AM)
Hello All,

Just a hint ... pay attention when you're at the tables. Someone may direct a comment such as " Oh look a magician Ted, do you want to see one? " you NOW know Ted's name without asking him.

If performing at the end of the meal and they pay with a creidt card, many times their names are on the credit card or the charge receipt.

Many restaurants now have their own 'rewards' cards for frequent guests ... their NAME is on those cards. Be aware and now you can know their name without asking ...

Just my .02 :)

Jason Christopher
Message: Posted by: PatrickGregoire (Aug 1, 2009 04:45PM)
The whole point of using their NAME instead of anything else is because the effect is over once the lines find their card. Then you go to hand it to them, but you decide to make it more personal for them and change the lines into their name. Using a word or anything else just goes against the purpose of the final change.
Message: Posted by: tomboston (Aug 5, 2009 11:09AM)
I just received "Identity" and I think it is a great routine. I am returing to magic after a long time off so I need to practice the moves more before I will perform it. I think it will be a killer!

RE: availability of the gaff -- I just did a internet search on ****** and found them at an online magic store, now I have a whole box of them!
Message: Posted by: GeorgeKerzon (Aug 10, 2009 06:22PM)
I dropped out of magic a while ago and like Tomboston, I too just recently got back into it because of a curiosity again.

On a whim I purchased Identity and I really love it.

This is certainly not a self working effect.
It took some effort to get it down but the effort was well worth it.

I tried it at a networking meeting last week.
The person that I performed for was amazed merely by the fact that the marks found his signed card, never mind the real ending.
When I shook the card and the marks morphed into his name, HE FREAKED OUT.
The look on his face was priceless.
He stood there for 3-4 seconds without saying a word. Then he started to swear.
A networking meeting environment is not one where swearing is appropriate behavior. It was hilarious :)
He must have examined the card on and off for 5 minutes throughout our conversation.
This is the kind of effect that gets under people's skin.

The DVD covers a lot of ground with plenty of ideas and variations, the gimmick is standard and very low tech, nothing to break, easy to replace.
Fantastic stuff!
Message: Posted by: sirbrad (Aug 11, 2009 01:36AM)
Can you use the Shapeshifter change for this?
Message: Posted by: Voldemort (Aug 11, 2009 02:51AM)
Here fishy-fishy-fishy.... :rolleyes:
Message: Posted by: Rpascual (Aug 11, 2009 06:28AM)
[quote]On 2009-08-11 02:36, sirbrad wrote:Can you use the Shapeshifter change for this?[/quote]If you buy the dvd, you can find out :D. Assuming you could, it wouldn't be really recommended. There it doesn't really look like the lines are morphing into the name. It just looked like they change really fast. The change in the dvd is perfect. No need to substitute it :D.
Message: Posted by: tomboston (Aug 11, 2009 09:26AM)
George, I'm glad "Identity" was such a success for you. I'm still trying to make the end of the routine (where you start to give the card back and then don't...) natural looking. I fumble a bit with the multiple handings at this point. Otherwise, I am ready to try it out!
Message: Posted by: sirbrad (Aug 11, 2009 09:10PM)
I don't need to "fish," the vast majority of the effects I buy I already know the workings of for the most part. Being this is my 30th year or so in magic I am pretty much beyond buying "secrets," but always strive to buy an effect based on personal merits and entertainment value. So be careful before you falsely assume. I simply wanted to know if the move would work well with this, and I don't think I need to "fish" for something I already know. If this uses the twirl change I would assume the answer is yes then, unless there is more to do with a gimmick.
Message: Posted by: chrismatt (Aug 11, 2009 09:21PM)
For those who want to use Universal Impression to secretly learn the name or word, try this: Have the S write the name on the clear wrapper around the card case with a Dry Erase marker, show the name to a few "witnesses," then rub the name out with his thumb, apparently destroying all evidence of the name or word. Remove the deck from the case and remove the two Jokers from the deck, thus securing the secret name or word. This eliminates the need for a pad, etc.

As an aside, the UI gimmick inside a cased deck is a fine way to present the Holy Grail of mental card magic: simply have the S write any card on the card case wrapper, then any number. Have S show the card name and number (for example, 9D and 33) to a few witnesses. Remove the deck, which is in memorized order, and discard the two Jokers, gaining the peek of the card and number. Do your calculations and cut the card to the proper number. Give the deck FD to the S to hold and have him, for the first time, name his thought-of card and then his number. Presto!

CM
Message: Posted by: Blueroyalty (Aug 18, 2009 10:14PM)
I don't know if this has been asked (I did a search and didn't find anything). Anyway, what other presentations are there so you can perform this on people you know? I was thinking of asking them their favorite comic hero and having them try to draw it on the card, then having the marks turn into the named character. On a side note, I always wanted to perform Alex Elmsley's Fortune Teller Book of Days on people I know but haven't come up with any good presentations, imo, other than think of someone else birthday. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated :)
Message: Posted by: tomboston (Aug 20, 2009 10:18AM)
I think this will work just as well with people you know. The fact that the marks morph into their name is pretty strong stuff. Does anyone have any experience performing this on people they know?
Message: Posted by: Blueroyalty (Aug 20, 2009 11:15PM)
Of course this will work on people you know, I just think that it takes away from the kicker ending. Which is why I believe using something other than their name (for someone you know) would be more effective. Anyone...Bueler...anyone? LOL
Message: Posted by: Gears (Aug 22, 2009 09:35AM)
I don't think that performing this on someone you know takes away much from the name revelation. Just the fact seeing thier name materialize on their card that they were just holding makes it a miracle for them. I have done this trick for most of the members in my family and the fact that I know their name doesn't matter to them.
Message: Posted by: prizna (Sep 2, 2009 10:14PM)
Don't know if this has been mentioned but there are also a few chapters you may have missed for the maxed out version, there is Twirl Change veriations for the maxed out version, Reset for the Maxed out Version and Maxed out (Extended Version) these just like the Condensed versions alternate vanish can be found by advancing chapters once in the maxed out version explanation.
Message: Posted by: Monte (Nov 18, 2009 12:04AM)
I will give my full review for this trick!

Practicality - This effect is not practical at all. You will essentially reveal the secret of the trick while you are performing it. Trust me, just check out the youtube video performances of it and you can figure it out.

Strength: This is potentially a powerful trick in the right situation. It is something you can have up your sleeve as an "impromptu moment".

Set-up: No Set-up really.

Angles: No one can stand behind you!

My overall recommendation: I recommend that you purchase instead the Richard Sanders show Vol. 1-3. In Vol. 1 he will reveal the secret of the trick as well as other effects. Just ask yourself would you pay money for one trick or a bunch of tricks? Identity vs. Sanders show Vol. 1. That is your choice.

I hope this helps!
Message: Posted by: Review King (Nov 18, 2009 11:03AM)
[quote]
On 2009-11-18 01:04, Monte wrote:

Practicality - This effect is not practical at all. You will essentially reveal the secret of the trick while you are performing it. Trust me, just check out the youtube video performances of it and you can figure it out.


[/quote]

The same could be said of Twisting The Aces or any number of effects. It's all in the performer. Youtube is riddled with bad performances of classic effects.

The public knows about the TT, yet, professionals earning a living fool people each day in their shows with it.

Dai vernon said it's the poor artist that blames the brushes.
Message: Posted by: Xcath1 (Nov 20, 2009 09:08AM)
14 pages of comments I will add that for lay audiences (the only ones worth talking about) this has been one of my most effective tricks, plays even better then I thought it would. Even with "the overhandling" even with controversy about the "magician fooler" change. I got over it, I do the short version with an Erdanse at the beggining to open their pupils and the revolve at the end to seal the deal.
Message: Posted by: Review King (Nov 20, 2009 09:17AM)
I leave out the twirl change. I place the card, face up, in their hand and have them sandwich the card between their palms and shake it ( like making a martini I tell them ) and make the change that way. I've found that to be a stronger revelation. The card doesn't come in contact with the deck and it's now magic in their hands.
Message: Posted by: Xcath1 (Nov 21, 2009 03:44PM)
I believe I remeber you posting this suggestion Review King. I did not appreciate it when I first read it but after having done the trick for awhile I agree that it could be very powerful. It is hard to give up those visual changes but doing the revelation your way would create an entirely different feeling
Message: Posted by: ryanalewis (Jan 11, 2010 01:12PM)
Well that took 45 minutes... 14 pages and a lot of arguing in-between. I was amazed by page 5 no-one had the trick yet!

I purchased this on Friday, and practiced most of the weekend. I really hate DL, they are hard for the beginner. Brent at Vanishing Rabbit did tell me it was intermediate, but that there was a "easy", "hard" and "very hard" way of doing it. I'm still not quite sure which ones are which!

All the changes in extended are doable at my level, its just getting the double perfect.

One thing that I am struggling with, and not sure if anyone has any tips is when I move the marks off the card; I think I'm holding to hard or something but it either looks like: A) the top card turns 45 degrees and is now obvious; B) the card is 45 degrees in the left hand, again now obvious.

Anyone got some tips they can post or PM me with for this part?

Also, I think I might do "whats your favourite color" at the beginning for people I know well, if they say red then I can joke with "And look, a red deck. Well that's me done, how am I going to top that", if not, I have something to appear on the cards... What do you think?

This was a challenge for me as a hobbyist, but I have it at about 90% now, and I'm proud of myself!
Message: Posted by: IllusionistErich (Jan 11, 2010 03:23PM)
I too am a hobbyist, Ryanalewis, I can relate.
Message: Posted by: ryanalewis (Jan 13, 2010 10:38AM)
[quote]One thing that I am struggling with, and not sure if anyone has any tips is when I move the marks off the card; I think I'm holding to hard or something but it either looks like: A) the top card turns 45 degrees and is now obvious; B) the card is 45 degrees in the left hand, again now obvious. [/quote]

To answer my own question for someone who may stumble upon this thread, I was not tilting my wrist that was holding the pack. In doing this, it overpowers the thumb holding the double.

Now it looks quite good!

I found the colour(?) change, and the twirl variations after reading Richards post. Good job I took the time going through this thread! I really like the other change, and have been practicing.

Perhaps the best part about this trick is all the extra sleights I have learned and committed to memory that can come in handy within any trick.
Message: Posted by: bigdhri (Feb 7, 2010 09:17AM)
I thought the DVD was well done, but I thought the trailer was mis leading a little. All and all I think the trick could be powerful under certain situations. Plus I think the idea could be modified to suit the performer better. Just what I think.
Message: Posted by: Review King (Feb 7, 2010 11:45PM)
I'll tell you this, no matter what you may think about this effect from Richard, until you perform it, you just can't see the power it has.

When the card changes to their name, people are shocked. And they will keep the card forever.

Chris
Message: Posted by: M Sini (Feb 11, 2010 02:32PM)
[quote]
On 2010-02-08 00:45, Review King wrote:
I'll tell you this, no matter what you may think about this effect from Richard, until you perform it, you just can't see the power it has.

When the card changes to their name, people are shocked. And they will keep the card forever.

Chris
[/quote]

Chris is right. When I got this, I watched it an originally it set on the shelf for months. I finally decided to try it out one night and have to say I was impressed with how well it played. It's not something I do all night (I'd run out of cards) but it is a great trick.
Message: Posted by: Xcath1 (Feb 11, 2010 05:08PM)
This is one of the most well received tricks that I do. I have tried to dissect the reasons. My performing situations are closest to strolling. It is a several phase trick (2 to 3) depending on whether you like the initial "jumping mark phase." This is quite key as people are often not fully engaged as you start a trick and if it's over right away they may not fully appreciate it. The best reason to do the first phase is to condition them over and over to seeing the “random” marks, making the final phase all the more amazing. Additionally, the spectator does not really have to pay attention between phases to appreciate the trick. I find this is an unbelievably big deal for my performance circumstances. Many lengthy tricks require rapt attention on the part of the audience for them to realize how "amazing" they are, if they look away or take a sip of their drink you are lost. With Identity, it is all chit chat and "off-beat" between the phases. I have gotten great responses.
Message: Posted by: ryanalewis (Mar 26, 2010 04:00PM)
When I go into people's offices that I haven't spoken to for a while, I see the card pinned to the cork board, or under their computer screens. It's living proof the trick sticks in your mind!

Some hold the card up as I walk by and ask when the next trick is coming.

It was/is excellent, and well worth committing to muscle memory.
Message: Posted by: acer (Apr 13, 2010 12:18PM)
I prefer Tagged !
Message: Posted by: matt.magicman (Apr 13, 2010 05:21PM)
There's a ssnkey effect on the similar lines to this
on oldler DVD of his, 4-5 years old?
Can't remember the name?
It involved a joker and 'red card' written in the back
under the guise of revealing it was a red card, they turn over their card to reveal their name on the back!!
Any ideas of the bane of the gem ( my preferance )
cheers
matt
Message: Posted by: Cameron Francis (Apr 13, 2010 06:23PM)
The Sankey effect is a mentalism effect from 22 Blows to the Head. Kind of apples and oranges, though, as it's a prediction effect, not a magical effect.
Message: Posted by: matt.magicman (Apr 14, 2010 02:54PM)
That's not the one I was thinking of cam,
I'll have to consult my DVD drawer!
Message: Posted by: Xcath1 (Apr 14, 2010 03:46PM)
I'm chimming in again. I don't work for or know Richard in fact it took me forever to get my EB 2 disc and ****ed me off a little but this is the single best card trick that I do (mabye that says something about me). Parents like it, kids like it, everybody walks around shaking that card waiting for it to change again. Do not underestimate.
Message: Posted by: Cameron Francis (Apr 14, 2010 04:07PM)
Apologies, Matt. Sounded like that one. Curious to see which one you're referring to as it sounds good. :)
Message: Posted by: mumford (Apr 19, 2010 08:52AM)
I really like the effect. Just a little practice to get it down smooth. The sleights are basic and Richard goes over them in detail to help those who haven't done them in the past. He shows them from several angles also to make everything clear. He also shows a long version and a short version which is nice depending on the venue you are doing the effect.
Message: Posted by: cairo (Apr 23, 2010 12:11PM)
Identity sounds like a winner.
Message: Posted by: matt.magicman (May 14, 2010 02:43PM)
Cam , Ive found it!
99% certain it's called WHAT?S IN A NAME?
from Jay Sankey Live (DVD)http://www.penguinmagic.com/product.php?ID=15
very nice too!
now, please join my FB group:
http://www.facebook.com/?ref=logo#!/group.php?gid=340851907251
Message: Posted by: cosmicsecret (Jun 3, 2010 01:09AM)
Hi,
I performed Richard´s effect last night on a barbeque party for a group of laymen.
I never met anyone of these guys/girls before so I introduced myself with handshaking etc.
In this setting I had no table to place the card with the magic marks on it away,so I placed it in my top pocket of my jacket...it was in plain view so nobody thought I would do funny stuff with it.
Anyways I performed the version where you peal off the marks and this got great reactions...and was setting them up for the kicker.
Guys I tell you,once they saw the name appear....everybody went nuts!
The guy who I performed it for was sooooo baffled by it,that he asked me to do a show on his next party!
I can´t wait to perform it the next time.It´s such a strong trick.
Thanks to Richard for releasing it.
The reactions.....you have to perform it.Enough said!

PS: I palmed out the gimmick on the offbeat...just in case that someone wants to see the cards...but nobody wanted to check the deck...i guess that's what called running but not being chased. :)

Greetings from germany
Jerry
Message: Posted by: insight (Jun 3, 2010 04:31PM)
You can never go wrong with a Richard Sanders effect!

Regards,
Mike
Message: Posted by: Xcath1 (Jun 4, 2010 02:47PM)
I love seeing the posts like the one from comicsecret. You really can't believe how hard the change at the end hits until you try it. The only trouble is it is not easy to follow
Message: Posted by: cosmicsecret (Sep 6, 2010 03:47AM)
Okay I just thought to give you a update.
I perform Identity on a regular basis since 3 months now.

Xcath1 had stated in one of his posts,that the jumping of the marks phase is a must and I totally agree!
Now the fact that the marks come off to another card gets not always a great reaction.
Sometimes they start to wonder,freak out or saying do it again!
But that's okay,its just there to build up and if the spectators get misdirected by
another person who joins the group - no problem.
The phase were you vanish the marks completly get their attention back after the 3 times repeaded phase of the jumping marks its something they do not expect.

After the name has been revealed - people come back to me asking how did I get the name on that card.They can´t backtrack the method at all.

I will try now the variation,which has been mentioned here by a Café member (sorry forgot your name) where you hand them the selection face up and the reveal happens in their hands.
I know the payoff not being visuall but card changes happening in their hands are always STRONG stuff.So i´m tempted to try this variation and see what kinda results I will get.

Will keep you posted. ;)

PS: After every performance of Identity I palm the gaff out - but people NEVER wanted to see the deck....NEVER.
In example during a ACR people wanted to see the deck,checking out if there is a dupe....strange.If someone knows the why they don't want to check the deck...it would be great to hear.

Greetings
Jerry
Message: Posted by: RNK (Jun 20, 2011 10:29AM)
Performed Identity at a wedding Saturday- wow- one person asked me if a sold my soul to the devil? What an AWESOME reaction. I have had this for a long time and really never did it. Well, I did it 3 more times that night and I can't stress enough how good the reactions were- I even did it to the bar server (who I NEVER met) and when his name appeared on the card- he just shook his head in disbelief and said, "WOW- you are good- really good". I am going to have to do this routine more often.

RNK
Message: Posted by: RNK (Jun 20, 2011 10:34AM)
[quote]
On 2009-11-18 01:04, Monte wrote:
I will give my full review for this trick!

Practicality - This effect is not practical at all. You will essentially reveal the secret of the trick while you are performing it. Trust me, just check out the youtube video performances of it and you can figure it out.

[/quote]


What? If you reveal the secrect when doing this routine- it will have NOTHING to do with how the trick is routined- it will have EVERYTHING to do with your own handling skills. Trust me- people go crazy when they see this performed (CORRECTLY).

RNK
Message: Posted by: Xcath1 (Jun 20, 2011 04:35PM)
Great trick, I never fail to jump in when it comes up in a thread. Doing the change in a spectators hands is awesome. It is a very magical feeling.
Message: Posted by: Illusionist58 (Jun 21, 2011 07:30PM)
May have to pick this one up!
Message: Posted by: emyers99 (Jun 21, 2011 10:22PM)
Been doing this for years. Wish he hadnt re-released it.