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Topic: Silver Kennedy Shell Set
Message: Posted by: mrmagik68 (Jun 14, 2009 03:30PM)
Hey guys,
I'm in the market for a Silver Kennedy Shell set but not sure who to do business with. I've had a Johnson shell in the past and that was pretty good but I'm looking for a real silver set. I checked out Schoolcraft and Lassen's sites, both look like the they do really great work. Who would you guys recommend? Thanks!

Roberto
Message: Posted by: CamisBoss (Jun 14, 2009 04:38PM)
Wow. Don't bring up the Schoolcraft vs Lassen debate! Honestly though, you're going to get a lot of differing opinions on that here in the café. If you are looking for a new set, I'd just suggest contacting both of them personally. Try calling them; email doesn't always work. Also keep in mind that with Lassen, you may have to wait a bit before he can make them. Schoolcraft is generally a bit cheaper if that is important.

If you are looking for a used set, wait till you get 50 posts, and check the protected selling and buying forums. That's a great resource!
Message: Posted by: Johnny Butterfield (Jun 14, 2009 10:09PM)
I have a Schoolcraft set, and I think it's great - couldn't be happier with it. Haven't actually seen a Lassen one in person, so I can't compare.
Message: Posted by: boydy (Jun 15, 2009 10:20AM)
I have a Schoolcraft set and the fit is fantastic.
Message: Posted by: lithyem (Jun 15, 2009 10:44AM)
Really do we need to have another schoolcraft vs lassen thread? There is a big thread in this forum rating coin gaff makers... its even on the first page of this forum!

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=315749&forum=202&25
Message: Posted by: jordanl (Jun 15, 2009 10:52AM)
I would also add that Johnson makes a very nice silver shell, although getting one may take a little work. not quite as nice as a custom shell but works fine.
Message: Posted by: krintz (Jun 15, 2009 09:46PM)
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On 2009-06-15 11:52, jordanl wrote:
I would also add that Johnson makes a very nice silver shell, although getting one may take a little work. not quite as nice as a custom shell but works fine.
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Maybe I just got lucky, but I bought a Johnson silver shell (60 bucks)that is perfect. I went on Ebay and bought several 64's, and the shell fits all but one. Add to that my Schoolcraft flipper, and I think I got a great deal on a great set of coins.
And, if I might add, I am really looking forward to getting some Lassens down the road.... more than I can afford at the moment, but certainly worth the investment.
Krintz
Message: Posted by: Sammy J. (Jun 15, 2009 10:27PM)
I guess I don't know who made it, but I bought a 64 shell 28 years ago. I never used it until a couple of months ago. I went to a local coin shop and was able to match some Kennedy halves to it perfectly. This shell has total coverage, and works great. If you find a shell that is nice, you can probably go to a coin shop and find matching coins! It's important that the coins match in wear, and that they are sized to come out of the shell properly.
Sammy
Message: Posted by: mrmagik68 (Jun 15, 2009 11:07PM)
Lithyem,
Really, do we need to have someone dictate what kind of thread they should post on this forum? C'mon dude, really. And thanks for posting that link to TWOCAN'S thread, really good stuff.

Camisboss, thanks for the good advice. And you're right, I did try emailing both Lassen and Schoolcraft but no response as of yet. I think I'll try to call 'em. I'm looking for a top quality Silver Kennedy Shell set, something I'm going to feel real good about owning and performing with. By the sounds of it, both these gentlemen produce some really fine work. I was hoping to hear from anyone who might happen to own shell sets from both of these craftsmen.

Many thanks for all of your suggestions/comments. Keep 'em coming please!

Roberto
Message: Posted by: jprace (Jun 15, 2009 11:22PM)
I have a Lassen Expanded Shell set and love it a lot.

[url=http://johnsonmagicproducts.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=87&products_id=124]HERE[/url] is a Johnson Magic '64 Kennedy Expanded Shell. Only $52.25
Message: Posted by: lithyem (Jun 16, 2009 12:05AM)
Mrmagik68 - What exactly did I dictate? Unless my definition differs from yours, I posed the question whether this subject needed to be fielded when the exact same information was to be found in a thread on the first page of this topic. AND I offered the link to it rather than say "use the search feature".
Michael
Message: Posted by: mrmagik68 (Jun 16, 2009 11:24PM)
Michael,
It's all good my brother. Again, thanks for posting that thread. I found it to be very informative.

Magicman,
I could be wrong but I don't think that Johnson shell advertised for $52 is real silver. The coin is dated '64 but that's an awful low price for a silver shell. Thanks!

Roberto
Message: Posted by: ShawnB (Jun 17, 2009 08:06AM)
I would say that that shell is real silver for sure...

I got a bunch of silver shells from them years ago for 45.

You can get them at the magic warehouse for 60...
Message: Posted by: jprace (Jun 17, 2009 01:47PM)
Mrmagik68

The Johnson '64 shell is real silver.
Message: Posted by: mrmagik68 (Jun 17, 2009 07:32PM)
Thanks for clearing that up for me guys. At $52 I just didn't think the Johnson shell would be made from a real silver coin. So, if I were to purchase a customer silver shell from say, Lassen or Schoolcraft, and I were to compare it to a Johnson silver shell, what do you guys think would be the difference between the shells? Is it the way the shell covers the coin? Will the Johnson not fit all coins, etc., etc.,? Again, many thanks!

Roberto
Message: Posted by: lithyem (Jun 17, 2009 11:26PM)
The difference will be the fit and finish. Generally you would get a set of coins with a shell that fits them perfectly. Generally an unexpanded or re-milled set will have the absolute most perfect fit although a well matched expanded set will be ***ed perfect too. The idea with better fit is that the coin doesn't move around inside the shell therefore you are freer to handle the coin in a more casual manner. I have sets from the good craftsmen and all of them allow the shelled coin to be tossed in the air without un-shelling (dh-shelling?), and land silently.

The Johnson one will fit MOST coins - which is how it is designed, As most coins are actually not perfectly round the Johnson shell will be a little wider to accommodate this. One the other hand - the Lassen and Schoolcraft shells will probably NOT fit most coins as they are machined with stricter tolerances.

I have a Johnson Morgan shell that I used for years just fine before I got my other ones... the more precise shells are so ***ed nice to use it would be impossible to go back!

Hope that helps.
Michael
Message: Posted by: sidestealer (Jun 18, 2009 11:28AM)
Yeah, I too bought a '64 shell from johnson's about 10 years ago. The price was $45 and a walker was $50 then. Both did its job but the shell was loose on the coins. I have since upgraded to a Lassen set and I'm very happy with it. If money is no object then that's my recommendation.
Message: Posted by: mrmagik68 (Jun 18, 2009 07:24PM)
Michael,
Great info., thanks! I've made my decision. I'm going with a custom set. Will probably go with Schoolcraft first then maybe get a set from Lassen, down the road. I tried ordering that Johnson Silver Shell directly from the Johnson company yesterday and they replied that they're not in stock and will probably be available in 3-4 months! Thanks again everyone, great advice!

Roberto
Message: Posted by: QuailCreek (Jun 20, 2009 09:11PM)
Sorry mrmagik68. I contacted Kathy Lawton and Johnson Products last Tuesday and bought the last Silver Kennedy e] they had. They do have 1964 Folding Half, 1964 Cigarette-thru-Half and 1964 Two-Headed/Two-Tailed Coins left. They also have some Walking Liberty e [ left.
Message: Posted by: QuailCreek (Jun 20, 2009 09:17PM)
Oh, and the price was $52.25 and it is silver.
Message: Posted by: mrmagik68 (Jun 22, 2009 08:23PM)
QuailCreek,
I'm glad one of us got it, lol. How's the quality and fit on that Johnson shell? Well, I just placed an order for a Schoolcraft '64 Kennedy Half Dollar Silver Shell set. Can't wait for it to come in! Btw, what do you guys keep your custom shells in? I don't think I want my set bouncing around in my pockets.

Roberto
Message: Posted by: sidestealer (Jun 22, 2009 08:43PM)
JOL coin purse
Message: Posted by: Sammy J. (Jun 23, 2009 12:33AM)
The JOL purse is lined on the inside, so it won't contribute to the tarnishing of the coins. I keep my Walking Liberty CSB in one.
Message: Posted by: Xcath1 (Jun 23, 2009 08:31AM)
To mrmagik68 be aware that Schoolcraft and Lassen offer unstretched shells with milled down coins (The "Dean Set") as Schoolcraft. A set like this will offer the most perfect fit although of course would need to order extra coins from the maker. I have a soft Morgan Dean set from Schoolcraft that I purchased essentially to do "Coin One" (quite a present to myself) and I am very happy with it
Message: Posted by: mrmagik68 (Jun 23, 2009 10:39AM)
Thanks Xcath1! I just purchased a Schoolcraft Kennedy Half Dollar Shell set. It comes with the shell and four ungaffed coins. I got it from a source called, Realcoinmagic.com. This is actually my first custom coin set and I'm excited about it. One of the routines I plan to do is the coins across from David Roth's Expert Coin Magic book. I remember doing that routine many years ago with a Johnson shell and it would go over very well with lay audiences. I loved cleaning up and the end and handing them the coins for inspection (only if they asked). I can't wait for this set to come in.

Sidestealer,
I checked out that JOL coin tidy. Sweeeet!!! I'm going to place my order today. Thanks again everyone!

Roberto
Message: Posted by: QuailCreek (Jun 24, 2009 12:22PM)
Roberto,
the quality of the Johnson shell is excellent.

And I also carry my coins in a JOL coin tidy.
Message: Posted by: QuailCreek (Jun 26, 2009 10:42PM)
Just in case anyone is looking for a silver Kennedy half. I don't know how many Bill has but give him a call.

http://madhattermagicshop.com/magicshop/product_info.php?products_id=6482
Message: Posted by: QuailCreek (Jun 26, 2009 10:43PM)
Opps sorry. That's an e] Johnson.
Message: Posted by: The Wizard of Hearts (Jun 26, 2009 11:20PM)
Lassen's selling Barbar exp. shell sets on his blog NOW! Still some left $190.